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[Iakus]

Grkljan wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

No. Not with what we know so far. Expect a Deus Ex Machina.

Not Deus Ex Machina, just Deus Ex     No happy ending, they are all good and bad at the same time.

So, new theory:

Shepard uses his cybernetics to merge his consciousness with Harbinger.  As a single being, they rule the galaxy as a benevolent dictator:lol:

[whitey4444]

The Protheans could be the wildcard. Yes they are dead, but the first game went great lengths to say that they were uber-advanced, even not including the mass effect portals which they didn't create. It would be fitting if something the Protheans had done or created was the edge that tipped the battle in the good guy's direction. There was so little of them in the second game.

Or perhaps you utilise the knowledge that the Reapers have gained from all of the species they had destroyed.

[nitrog100]

What if they used the Conduit as a weapon. If they could mount it on a ship, they could fire a slug at FTL speeds. That could tear through Reapers with ease.

[Kileyan]

I can't see us winning without some other near godly being stepping in. My best guess is they will do a Babylon 5 type thing. The "others" who have been watching will find some reason to finally care, humanity and the galaxy have finally passed the test, and they will step in to stop the Reapers. The others may not even be the Reapers enemy, they may even be the people who designed the Reapers and started these cycles.

I'll happily be wrong, and hope there is a good ending other than something silly like Shep getting info on the main reaper mind ship, infiltrating it, killing it and all other reapers shut down. Crappy as that ending is, I expect this to be the case.

[Blacklash93]

nitrog100 wrote...

I was just watching the e3 livestream again and I couldn't help but notice something important. When the Quarian fleet fires on the Reaper, it's shields are brought down with one shot. If you watch carefully, the same red electricity thing that happened with Sovereign happens with the smaller Reaper.

Which livestream? I don't remember that in any of the demos.

[Iwantobelieve]

Before: Protheans vs Reapers
Now: Humans + Turians + Asari + Salarian + Krogan + Quarrian vs Reapers

Easy.

[Lyrandori]

It's possible.

Captain Steven Hiller and David Levinson will respectively pilot and co-pilot a small ship and will trick Harbinger into thinking that the ship in question is part of the Reapers fleet. They will then enter Harbinger, then they will look at each other and have that "we're doomed if this mission fails" kind of look in their eyes without saying anything. Then they will upload a virus into Harbinger's system. Then Harbinger will be infected by the virus (working virus of course) and it will disable the shields of all other Reapers, then the allied forces will be able to attack and destroy them.

Hmmm, feels a bit déjà vue though, but it could work.

[Weiser_Cain]

I don't think we could win realistically and even if we did earth would never be the same. The population would be decimated if not wiped out completely.
I don't think we would know everything the Reapers do about tech, I don't think they would lay a trap that brought us up to the point we could stop them, I also think their numbers would be insurmountable if they have been doing this for as long as they claim.

[HTTP 404]

Lyrandori wrote...

It's possible.

Captain Steven Hiller and David Levinson will respectively pilot and co-pilot a small ship and will trick Harbinger into thinking that the ship in question is part of the Reapers fleet. They will then enter Harbinger, then they will look at each other and have that "we're doomed if this mission fails" kind of look in their eyes without saying anything. Then they will upload a virus into Harbinger's system. Then Harbinger will be infected by the virus (working virus of course) and it will disable the shields of all other Reapers, then the allied forces will be able to attack and destroy them.

Hmmm, feels a bit déjà vue though, but it could work.

I like this game.  Sometimes I would tell my life story based on movies to strangers.

http://t2.gstatic.co...GTnmoAziFY-&t=1

[RAF1940]

SamT3N7 wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Conrad, Biotic God and Blasto will save us.

Add the Shifty Looking Cow and you're good.

Indeed

[RAF1940]

Iwantobelieve wrote...

Before: Protheans vs Reapers
Now: Humans + Turians + Asari + Salarian + Krogan + Quarrian vs Reapers

Easy.

Maybe, but the Protheans still inhabited the same amount of space as all these species combined and united it under one empire.


Meaning the Protheans would actually be stronger since they were one, united galaxy.

[Nezzer]

RAF1940 wrote...

Iwantobelieve wrote...

Before: Protheans vs Reapers
Now: Humans + Turians + Asari + Salarian + Krogan + Quarrian vs Reapers

Easy.

Maybe, but the Protheans still inhabited the same amount of space as all these species combined and united it under one empire.


Meaning the Protheans would actually be stronger since they were one, united galaxy.

But the Protheans were cut off from each other, since the Reapers had control over the relay system.

[outlaw1109]

SamT3N7 wrote...

outlaw1109 wrote...

Klencory Wikia Page

*snip*

(I haven't scoured the galaxy enough in ME2 to know whether or not Klencory is present)

Klencory is in ME1.

I knew this.  What I was saying was that I wasn't sure if it was in ME2 or not.

I think, if there is a checkov's gun, that this is it.

Otherwise, the possibility that Soverign being stronger than most reapers seems to be a better possibility.  Like I said before...

[MCH1202]

HogarthHughes 3 wrote...

Not without some kind of yet unknown weakness to exploit, assuming they're all close to as strong as Sovereign.

This. But there will be an as-yet-unknown weakness, which we'll exploit...

Legbiter wrote...

Not without a MacGuffin. Thankfully Bioware has provided several potential ones.

... with one of those. Mostly likely something to do with Dark Energy, as every man and their dog was subtly dropping that into conversation throughout ME2. One thing I'm pretty sure of is that BW won't be so obvious as to set up a "Beings of Light arrived..." type deus ex machina - at least I hope not!

BUT -  and other people have probably already said this, but I'm calling it here anyway - we will not eradicate the reapers in ME3, they're just too big, too widespread (and think what that would do to the franchise!). Yes we'll break this cycle, and save the galaxy (in a good ending - I'm sure there'll also be an ending where everyone gets reaperified), but there'll still be reapers around somewhere. Dark space maybe - would they send everyone? Other galaxies even...

And then don't forget that this galaxy is huge, still significantly unexplored, and absolutely chock full of reaper devices. Hell you can't even go and dig up your potatoes without hitting three of them... What's to say the cycle couldn't restart itself somewhere, with a previously un-contacted planet that digs up a device and then becomes indoctrinated? Could be happening right now in an unexplored section of the galaxy!

Future games and/or DLC might see the eventual extermination of the reapers, but not yet I think.

[ZLurps]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

I didn't say we would win this war. Without some sort of technology break-through, we can't. 

I said that with the cycle broken, the Reapers are ultimately doomed. For example, let's assume that those sneaky Salarians take some colonies off the relay network. It would take years for the Reapers to get to those colonies - maybe decades. 

The Salarians are aware of indoctrination and find a way to identify indoctrinated individuals.
With their security intact, they then decide to send off a few million of their best and brightest to some super-secret location in a very hard-to-find location. This should be easy - the galaxy is a huge place.
Without some intelligence on the location of this base (or bases), finding them would be an utterly impossible task, even for tens-of-thousands of ships.

The Reapers could then never restart the cycle - because the Salarians with thousands of years of additional
research under their belts, would likely be very technologically advanced by the time they left and then could rebuild and trash the Reapers when they returned.

And that's just one scenario. If it does take the Reapers centuries to clean up a civilization when completely controlling the relay network and with total surprise then this war will take thousands of years. Who knows what technological and innovate terrors organics can create in that time.

The Reapers are eternal but we've also seen them as largely unchanging. The reason they cut off the head of organic civilization before it gets too advanced is because if it got too advanced, the Reapers might be overtaken. With the cycle broken, they are almost guananteed to be eventually destroyed.

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Aurellia wrote...

There is a potential plot device they could use to defeat the reapers that wouldn't be a kludge or Deus Ex Machina. In fact this grows naturally out of the lore from the first game.

Suppose the purpose of indoctrination and making races like the keepers is for more than just maintaining the citadel or to have vast armies of zombies to send at you. Suppose that the reapers use indoctrination to make servants to maintain their very own bodies (ships).   We saw Saren and Benezia inside of Sovereign in ME1 so it is obvious there are places for us "wee folk" on board a reaper.

So find a way to cure or disrupt indoctrination and we have the basis of a way to beat reapers. Now it still won't be easy as we will have to get inside a reaper to deliver the cure.

There already exists one possible means to "cure" indoctrination and that is the Thorian technology that Cerberus was experimenting with in ME1 to create Thorian "husks." Simply use that tech on Reaper husks and make them your own slaves.

This leads to a nice paragon renegade choice. Make them your slaves or put them out of their misery. The later makes it easier to beat a reaper but it is horrifying.

Sovereign told us that every Reaper was a nation. We saw in ME2 that the "nation" was composed of an ascended species. Benezia told us that indoctrination made you lose your sense of self, that you slipped into a kind of groupthink.

I think we know exactly how we're going to defeat the Reapers and its been very well foreshadowed.

I never came to think of this... Now I wonder how Reapers communicate with each other.

There is one weakness in almost all survival scenarios, excluding scenario like Salarian scientists thing though. Or to put it other way, that that Reapers somehow can't / won't get to Citadel and take controll of it.

To be honest, I see Reapers arrogance as method of psychological warfare, but maybe they really act arrogantly and skip Citadel leaving control of mass effect relays to galactic races. In one of the books, Retribution I think, Reaper nanites seem not only to have consiousnes but also are able to emotions, pride is mentioned.
Then, in ME2 however they were making a human Reaper, clear sign that they saw humans worthy of ascension Harbinger still throwing usual bs.

Or maybe Alliance and other species can still use relay network via dark switches. Don't know but not taking over relay network is... beoynd arrogant.

I'm not sure what to think about Reapers remaining unchanging. Some things support that, like how they repeat cycle and derelict Reaper. Yet, when they didn't get signal from Sovereign they reacted, adapted to the new situation and found anotner way to travel in our galaxy. In someway they are like huge computers and databanks. How in the world  could it be that they haven't played this scenario earlier in millions of years.

Modifié par ZLurps, 14 juin 2011 - 08:50 .

[gunswordfist]

No, hell no. It's hopeless but Bioware will make up something anyway.

[gunswordfist]

With that said, I still stand by saying that Dyson spheres will be used to destroy the Reapers. Likely, they'll conveniently bait them into whatever galaxy Shepard decides to sacrifice and then blow up a bunch of stars as seen in the beacon visions to destroy. Voila.

[Cuddlezarro]

Kasai666 wrote...

Rose will show up and start pwning all the reapers because she looked into the heart of the tardis and she is a semi god
--------------------
What about Pond? Her life makes no sense, not to mention her baby is River Song.

Amy is ginger so she has the whole "im souless and evil factor" going for her

but I put my bets on Donna over amy since shes part time lord AND ginger

[RAF1940]

Nezzer wrote...

RAF1940 wrote...

Iwantobelieve wrote...

Before: Protheans vs Reapers
Now: Humans + Turians + Asari + Salarian + Krogan + Quarrian vs Reapers

Easy.

Maybe, but the Protheans still inhabited the same amount of space as all these species combined and united it under one empire.


Meaning the Protheans would actually be stronger since they were one, united galaxy.

But the Protheans were cut off from each other, since the Reapers had control over the relay system.

Very true. But who's to say the Reapers won't just kick ass and take the Citadel?

[Nezzer]

RAF1940 wrote...

Nezzer wrote...

RAF1940 wrote...

Iwantobelieve wrote...

Before: Protheans vs Reapers
Now: Humans + Turians + Asari + Salarian + Krogan + Quarrian vs Reapers

Easy.

Maybe, but the Protheans still inhabited the same amount of space as all these species combined and united it under one empire.


Meaning the Protheans would actually be stronger since they were one, united galaxy.

But the Protheans were cut off from each other, since the Reapers had control over the relay system.

Very true. But who's to say the Reapers won't just kick ass and take the Citadel?

Well, the Citadel suffered a surprise attack from Sovereign and its arms almost stopped the Reaper from entering the station. I suppose this time the CItadel won't be the first target, and the Council will have plenty of time to close the arms and stay protected from the Reapers. I heard we'll be visiting the Citadel anyway.

[Iwantobelieve]

RAF1940 wrote...

Nezzer wrote...

RAF1940 wrote...

Iwantobelieve wrote...

Before: Protheans vs Reapers
Now: Humans + Turians + Asari + Salarian + Krogan + Quarrian vs Reapers

Easy.

Maybe, but the Protheans still inhabited the same amount of space as all these species combined and united it under one empire.


Meaning the Protheans would actually be stronger since they were one, united galaxy.

But the Protheans were cut off from each other, since the Reapers had control over the relay system.

Very true. But who's to say the Reapers won't just kick ass and take the Citadel?

Because a face to face with the heart of all galactic civilisation would be hard to win. It would be like the darkspawn attacking directly Denerim.
That's why they attack Earth first. One planet at time.
Earth = Lothering.

Modifié par Iwantobelieve, 14 juin 2011 - 11:12 .

[Fogg]

It's scifi. Either we find their weak spot, or we take out the mothership.

[Hejdun]

I certainly don't think it's impossible.  The galaxy has a whole lot of advantages that previous galaxy civilizations didn't have:

-being able to analyze the wreckage of Sovereign (which as we see in ME2 leads to specially designed armor/shields to resist Reaper weapons, as well as upgraded weapons themselves),
-still intact communications and supply lines (never happened before, since the Reapers always took the Citadel so the whole galaxy was basically clueless as to what was happening),
-their records haven't been compromised since the Reapers never took the Citadel.

We know that previous civilizations managed to disable Reaper ships, and we know that the Reapers aren't some magical vacuum that will instantly destroy all.  Vigil mentions that it took a matter of centuries for the Reapers to annihilate the Protheons, and they didn't have nearly the advantages the current galaxy had.  If it takes that long for them to succeed given the best of circumstances, then my money is on the galaxy.  As soon as they start discovering weaknesses or ways to defeat the Reapers, that technology can be instantly transmitted across the galaxy.  Given several centuries to build up fleets and study their enemy.  The apparent fact that Reapers need living specimens in order to reproduce seems to be a huge drawback--at worst we would be able to enact a "scorched earth" policy in order to stop them from being able to reproduce (remember, it takes MILLIONS of living people to create one Reaper).

[RAF1940]

Nezzer wrote...

RAF1940 wrote...

Nezzer wrote...

RAF1940 wrote...

Iwantobelieve wrote...

Before: Protheans vs Reapers
Now: Humans + Turians + Asari + Salarian + Krogan + Quarrian vs Reapers

Easy.

Maybe, but the Protheans still inhabited the same amount of space as all these species combined and united it under one empire.


Meaning the Protheans would actually be stronger since they were one, united galaxy.

But the Protheans were cut off from each other, since the Reapers had control over the relay system.

Very true. But who's to say the Reapers won't just kick ass and take the Citadel?

Well, the Citadel suffered a surprise attack from Sovereign and its arms almost stopped the Reaper from entering the station. I suppose this time the CItadel won't be the first target, and the Council will have plenty of time to close the arms and stay protected from the Reapers. I heard we'll be visiting the Citadel anyway.

Maybe, but most of the fleet (and the Destiny Ascension, depending on choice) was scrapped by one Reaper and a few doezen geth ships.

Imagine a Reaper fleet.