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[Weskerr]

I have two questions:
1. Will the IM be in ME3?
2. Will Cerberus be an enemy or an ally in the fight against the Reapers - if an enemy, why?

[Flashlegend]

1. Obviously
2. Enemy. We've known this for a while. Why? Indoctrination.

[FluffyScarf]

It's not just indoctrination. It's finding out why. The 'mystery' behind how it happened.

[Weskerr]

Flashlegend wrote...

1. Obviously
2. Enemy. We've known this for a while. Why? Indoctrination.

Thanks for answering although I don't see why the answer to my first question is obvious. I'm disappointed, to say the least, that they are indoctrinated by the Reapers after learning how untouchable the IM is. I hope Bioware provides a good explanation as to how the Reapers indoctrinated the whole Cerberus organization.

[FluffyScarf]

That's the 'mystery'.

[Chuvvy]

FluffyScarf wrote...

It's not just indoctrination..

No it's just indoctrination. By the way, how is cerberus even a real threat? They only have a 150 members. Including the crew of the normandy, everyone that died at project overlord, everyone that died on project Lazarus and everyone that died on ther deriilict reaper.

[Eshaye]

Slidell505 wrote...

FluffyScarf wrote...

It's not just indoctrination..

No it's just indoctrination. By the way, how is cerberus even a real threat? They only have a 150 members. Including the crew of the normandy, everyone that died at project overlord, everyone that died on project Lazarus and everyone that died on ther deriilict reaper.

There's actually a neat little N7 quest in ME2 that tells you how, it's the same thing they talk about in the Evolution comic too. I thought it was just in the comic until I rencently found the N7 quest while scanning for minerals, I totally missed it in my first 2 playthroughs.. Or I have that bad a memory, that's possible too. 

EDIT: Well what I think they did anyway..

Modifié par Eshaye, 13 juin 2011 - 07:23 .

[XDMMX]

I find the fact that Cerberus is now against Shepard highly annoying, considering the fact that they spent billions rebuilding Shepard, or that I was pro Cerberus and supported them in Mass Effect 2 and now in Mass Effect 3 they suddenly want to slit Shepards throat after all that I have done for them.

Or it could be Reaper indoctrination, but that seems unlikely considering that they knew the risk and would likely have safeguards against indoctrination.

Its starting to seem imo like your decisions in Mass Effect have very little impact on the game, no matter the choice you end up with the same outcome.

For Instance at the end of Mass Effect 2 if you don't give TIM the Collector base he hates you.

Or If you give TIM the Collector base he still hates you, then he gives you a cookie and then promptly tells you to go **** yourself, seriously WTF? Is there any winning with this guy?

Then theres the whole Anderson / Udina and save the Council or let the Council die decision, which seems to have no effect on the story or gameplay. 

If you save the council and pick Anderson you briefly talk with them and the turian council member still manages to insult you even after you saved his worthless ass and Anderson proves his utter incompetence as a politician, sure they reinstate your SPECTRE status but that has no impact on the game whatsoever besides 2 conversations where its briefly mentioned, oh and the Council still doesn't believe in the Reapers, REALLY?

If you kill the Council and create a Human Council led bye Udina, basically the new council that you put in charge doesn't want to meet you and still doesn't believe in the Reapers and Udina is a massive dick that wont help you out even though you gave him his job.

So basically your decisions have no impact.

Modifié par XDMMX, 13 juin 2011 - 07:57 .

[goofyomnivore]

I think Cerberus has split and TIM has lost control of it, and one side of the split got indoctrinated.

For example you got the, Kai Lengs and Teltin Facility types on one side, and the the Miranda and Lazerus Cell types on the other.

[Skirata129]

well, bioware does make us give a 240 billion + dollar warship to the alliance and we have no choice in the matter. I feel like a bit a of a douche for that, because it's like bioware it making us say, "thanks for bringing me back to life, giving me all the weapons, the hot new Li and a ship worth more than the GDP of most countries! now **** off. I want to kiss hacket's ass."

[Ieldra]

Slidell505 wrote...

FluffyScarf wrote...

It's not just indoctrination..

No it's just indoctrination.

We do not know that.

(1) It's Shepard's opinion in the demo, not fact
(2) Some Cerberus people are indoctrinated, it doesn't mean that it's the primary reason they're the enemy

[Arijharn]

I'm inclined to agree with Ieldra2. Shephard has opinions as much as everyone else imo. Also; it's been said that the reason for Cerberus' actions is a mystery that needs to be found out, which to me sorta sounds a bit more 'complex' than mere Indoctrination, as convenient as that would be.

[The Elder King]

Skirata129 wrote...

well, bioware does make us give a 240 billion + dollar warship to the alliance and we have no choice in the matter. I feel like a bit a of a douche for that, because it's like bioware it making us say, "thanks for bringing me back to life, giving me all the weapons, the hot new Li and a ship worth more than the GDP of most countries! now **** off. I want to kiss hacket's ass."

For someone who saves the collector's base or don't quit Cerberus, I agree. For people who destroy the CB and quit Cerberus in ME2, it's only natural. This type of Shepard has already "stealed" the Normandy from TIM.

[XDMMX]

Modifié par XDMMX, 13 juin 2011 - 08:18 .

[Zarathiel]

Slidell505 wrote...

FluffyScarf wrote...

It's not just indoctrination..

No it's just indoctrination. By the way, how is cerberus even a real threat? They only have a 150 members.

I'm sick of people saying this. If you actually pay attention to the line where EDI gives you this number, you would realize that she said Cerberus has of 150 agents and operators. She never gave troop numbers, and she never gave numbers for how many "workers" Cerberus employs. She just gave you the number of people at Miranda, Jacob, and Wilson's level.

[Weskerr]

Although some people may say that the Illusive Man is evil or employs unacceptable means to accomplish his goals, I don't think anyone can deny his sincerity to protect humanity. He also came off as a highly intelligent and clever individual who would never be caught by anyone, whether it be the Council, the Alliance, The Shadow Broker, or even Reapers who wish to indoctrinate him. If he is fighting for the Reapers because he is indoctrinated, then that's a cop out on the part of the writer's. If he's fighting for the Reapers because Shepard's end game actions in ME2 through him into a tantrum, then that's way out of character for him. The only good explanation, as somebody already mentioned, is that he lost control of either part or all of Cerberus.

[Medhia Nox]

Paragons and Renegades might get entirely different reasons why Cerberus is against them.

For Renegades it might be indoctrination.

For Paragons - it's already explained in ME 2 that Cerberus is going to be gunning for you. Jacob states it - he's all hopped up that you gave your resignation by blowing up the Collector Base.

[nitrog100]

It doesn't really make all that much sense. How could the Reapers indoctrinate all of Cerberus? Harbinger only had to control the Collector General to have control over all the Collector drones. Why would all the pro-human Cerberus operatives fight for the Reapers?

[Dannyboy9876]

I hope TIM isn't indoctrinated. I'd like if Cerberus had Split in two.

[Medhia Nox]

I really think TIM is going to end up being indoctrinated... and that's why Cerberus will serve the Reapers because they believe that TIM "has a plan". Stupid lackey followers are like that.

[esollus]

ME2 - Harbringer is actually a renegade compassionate reaper with an interest in human romance novels who is trying to build human reapers to fight against the incoming reaper attack.

illusive man is a reaper or is under the influence of reapers - tasked to remove harbringer as a threat and uses shepard to do so. The rest of cerberus is unaware whom they are working for.

ME3 - illusive man recognized shepard as a threat and is trying to have him removed

[Inverness Moon]

Indoctrionation is Shepard's opinion, it's not fact.

Medhia Nox wrote...

I really think TIM is going to end up being indoctrinated... and that's why Cerberus will serve the Reapers because they believe that TIM "has a plan". Stupid lackey followers are like that.

Have you read the Evolution comics?

I have enough confidence in BioWare to think they won't ruin a great character because of "indoctrination", which is a writing asspull. Having indoctrination play a part in Saren's betrayal was great and it fit with the story. To do the same thing again would just be completely stupid and a vivid example of a lack of originality.

The game would be entirely boring if all your enemies were just indoctrinated. There would be no need to have motivations or realistic/interesting characters at all since they're just indoctinated.

I highly doubt BioWare would make a great, ambiguous character like TIM, create a comic series about his back story and how Cerberus was created to face the reapers, and then turn around and **** all over that in ME3.

It seems to me BioWare is building up expectations about Cerberus's and The Illusive Man's role in ME3 in preparation for a twist in the story.

Modifié par Inverness Moon, 14 juin 2011 - 12:21 .

[Medhia Nox]

@esollus - so what you're saying is. Harbinger for new LI in ME 3?

[esollus]

I think you are onto something there Medhia Nox, - Depending on your relationship status with Harbinger and paragon/renegade alignment, she will either sell out the reapers or utterly betray you and keep you around as an indoctrinated plaything!

[Inverness Moon]

esollus wrote...

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That explains the incessant talking.