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[Medhia Nox]

If TIM is ousted from Cerberus (which will end up indoctrinated or fooled into following the Reapers somehow)

Honestly... here's what I think.

Paragons: Destroy Cerberus forever.

Renegades: Save Cerberus from indoctrination and rejoin TIM with his organization.

[Schneidend]

Slidell505 wrote...

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EDI's information is hardly reliable.

Anyway, TIM will likely make an appearance, but we don't know if he's an enemy. We see Shepard fighting Cerberus troopers, but have had no dev confirmation as to why.

[Inverness Moon]

Considering the reason Cerberus troops are seen fighting Shepard is supposed to be a mystery, I think it's quite obvious it's not something as simple as indoctrination.

Medhia Nox wrote...

If TIM is ousted from Cerberus (which will end up indoctrinated or fooled into following the Reapers somehow)

Honestly... here's what I think.

Paragons: Destroy Cerberus forever.

Renegades: Save Cerberus from indoctrination and rejoin TIM with his organization.

If Shepard is smart he'll save Cerberus from indoctrination and get their help against the reapers whether he likes them or not.

(Assuming that is the plot of course, which I don't believe).

Modifié par Inverness Moon, 14 juin 2011 - 01:50 .

[Eshaye]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@InvernessMoon - Paragon Shepard shows absolutely zero signs of having cybernetics. I'll have to load up my game and read some of the journal entries to see if it says anything about it.

Paragon's Shepard's eyes are exactly like they are in the first game... only Renegade Shepard shows signs of being part machine.

Pretty sure Miranda and/or Chakwas mentions your cybernetics. Also the lab upgrade you can get says you can remove any evidence of your cybernetics. They are still there. 

[Medhia Nox]

@Eshaye - ugh, really? Ahh well... I'll just ignore it unless it plays a part in ME 3.

@InvernessMoon - nah, Cerberus resources are liquidated and placed in the hands of the Alliance where they'll at least be abused by a more visible group of douches.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 14 juin 2011 - 01:55 .

[MigoTheGIgo]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...
Hey, I'm with TIM and Cerberus - if they give me an option to join up with them instead of the Alliance in ME3, I'm taking it. I'm just trying to come up with a reason why Cerberus would be after Shepard without resorting to the stupid "Indoctrination" chestnut.

I am with you on that one! Well, both of them.

Perhaps, a part of recruiting an army will be dealing with cerberus: defeat them and decide their fate. With a nice, red, renegade option to more or less take it over yourself / give it back to TIM (that would really depend on his involvement) / put someone else in charge (Miranda?).

Modifié par MigoTheGIgo, 14 juin 2011 - 02:26 .

[LordAnguis]

Ever since I played ME2, I've found I do enjoy TIM's ruthless and unrelenting defense of humanity. In a way, it reminds me of my own opinion that humanity can become far greater if we shed certain things. Of course, that's not involved much in the game, so I won't bore you w/details.
This is how I'd like to see it play out for us: For Paragon Players, the option to actually capture TIM and bring him to the Council for justice would be excellent. Though I doubt a compliment would ever come from the avian lizard.
Renegades, I'd hope, would get the chance of remaining loyal to TIM and Cerberus; with the Cerberus attacks, and Kai Leng's presence, we have to consider a few options:
1. TIM actually is out to kill us, and has sided with the Reapers, possibly having fallen for the same trick as Saren.
2. The absolutely pathetic idea that all of Cerberus has become indoctrinated.
3. A split, with Shepard's team being on either TIM's side or the other, but with some of Cerberus still working with us.
4. TIM, as we've noticed, is a Machiavellian character. Isn't it conceivable that he's launching these attacks on Shepard as a way to keep his 'greatest asset' on the move and unpredictable for the Reapers? If I recall, he did the same thing with the Collector Ship Mission. I couldn't help but notice that Paragon responses actually were agreeing with TIM on his decision. Huh. Who'd have thought.
Eshaye: You've made some pretty good points.
I personally hope that Cerberus doesn't tend to turn out as a group that's outright aiming to kill us. I haven't read the comics, but from the comments posted here, it seems like TIM wouldn't suddenly flip his opinion of Shepard. In fact, even with their argument at the end of ME2, it seemed like TIM wasn't ready to just kill Shepard. As Shepard said, Cerberus brought him back to lead this war. I highly doubt this set-back would make TIM ready to kill him. I bet something else is going on.
Oh, and just for the record, I play an equal number of Paragon and Renegade playthroughs. But my preference is either Renegon or Paragade. I don't do too much straight Ren/Par games.

[Bomb In My Pants]

I play mostly Paragon, but if there is a renegade option that allows me to stay loyal to Cerberus, so be it. For a while I didn't know what the par/ren system was all about (when I was first new to the series), so I was pretty split down the middle. Then I learned what all that stuff meant and became a robot always making the pointer go up, and, quite frankly, I'm tired of it. I'm starting to think about what I say regardless of which kind of points I get. I see a lot of people on here say "yeah, I do that in my renegade playthroughs," or something like that. I don't do that, I am starting to say what I actually would in real life. Even though I might not be able to resolve every little fight, like Jack and Miri's, I'm having a lot more fun in the game itself.

Sorry for going off topic everyone, but I needed to get that out.

Modifié par Bomb In My Pants, 14 juin 2011 - 05:06 .

[ladyvader]

I am just going to say this....To those that seem to think their Shepard was pro-Cerberus. Did any of you actually play the LotSB and talk to Liara in Shepard's cabin? The renegade response to Liara asking how you are really feeling not what you tell your crew to keep moral up. That repsonse is this..."I'm tried of Cerberus, tired of the Council ignoring me, and tired of my closest friends not believing me." *throws arms in the air* Shepard never wanted to be with Cerberus from that answer. Just because YOU want to be with them doesn't mean that is the route BioWare is taking Shepard when it comes to them.

And to find out why Cerberus is after Shepard, BioWare has stated numerous times we will have to play the game to find out.

[Seboist]

Saphra Deden wrote...

If TIM were suddenly removed Cerberus would probably fracture into different groups.

However ultimately Cerberus is an ideology and that ideology exists separate from TIM.

If the unthinkable were to happen and TIM dies then my Shep would honor her lost love's ideals and lead Cerberus herself.

[Dave of Canada]

Arcian wrote...



The numbers are a bit off, but you get the general idea. There are WAY, WAY over 150 members. 150 people couldn't have the influence and power that Cerberus has.

Doesn't work.

Security team and such are considered Operatives (Agents) in the game itself, in addition to it there's the entire novel which describes they took down a handful of Cerberus facilities (each housing around 20-30 operatives assuming they all share the same amount of people from the facilities we've seen) and it heavily crippled the organization enough that they couldn't retake a facility from a handful of turians soldiers.

For an organization that has that much combat personel, a couple of turian strike forces wouldn't be able to cripple the organization enough for them to require assistance from Aria's mercenaries. TIM would have been able to call upon them and send them to simply destroy them to retake the facility.

In addition to this, Cerberus is devastated after the ending of Retribution (from the losses of the facilities, not all which were occupied) that it needs to be rebuilt. TIM isn't too happy about it.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Saphra Deden wrote...
However ultimately Cerberus is an ideology and that ideology exists separate from TIM.

I'd say it's less of an idealogy and more of an ideal. The preservation and advancement of humanity.

That said, I hope there is going to be an option for Shepard to lead the remnants of Cerberus, should he so choose. Kind of like the taking over Hallbech choice in Alpha Protocol (my fav).

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 14 juin 2011 - 06:20 .

[MigoTheGIgo]

ladyvader wrote...

I am just going to say this....To those that seem to think their Shepard was pro-Cerberus. Did any of you actually play the LotSB and talk to Liara in Shepard's cabin? The renegade response to Liara asking how you are really feeling not what you tell your crew to keep moral up. That repsonse is this..."I'm tried of Cerberus, tired of the Council ignoring me, and tired of my closest friends not believing me." *throws arms in the air* Shepard never wanted to be with Cerberus from that answer. Just because YOU want to be with them doesn't mean that is the route BioWare is taking Shepard when it comes to them.

And to find out why Cerberus is after Shepard, BioWare has stated numerous times we will have to play the game to find out.

Aren't you making quite the assumption on whether or not every Shepard, renegade or paragon, does or does not want?

Shepard wants whatever the player wants him to want, within the given choices. He doesn't "think out loud". If you dont pick that response... Then it is entirely possible those thoughts do not exist in the current shepard you play.

[Dave of Canada]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

That said, I hope there is going to be an option for Shepard to lead the remnants of Cerberus, should he so choose. Kind of like the taking over Hallbech choice in Alpha Protocol (my fav).

I'd absolutely love this option (though I'd love to have TIM at my side ), though I really hope it doesn't fall into the "Paragon or Xenophobe Shepard" morality choice.

[MigoTheGIgo]

Dave of Canada wrote...
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I agree, to a point. Cerberus is a relatively small organization. At least at the core, the members that are actively considered a part of Cerberus. It is a part of what makes it succesful (small size means TIM can do his Hands-On aproach, and leaves less chances of leaks).

BUT. Money is power, and Cerberus i very well funded. We are told that for what it cost to bring shepard back, TIM could have trained an entire army.

This is not to mention, that in the Shadowbroker Base (i think it was there), it is said that Cerberus is small due to very high standards.

Now, when Cerberus really needs to fight a war, as it seems in ME3, They could spend resources on mercenaries, and/or lower standards. That is not to mention the fact that Cerberus could either become a) more popular (as expressed by Jacob, the public view of Cerberus would change if the Suicide Mission is a succes), leading to an influx of recruits and resources, or simply gain recruits from indoctrinated humans (again, we do not know this for sure).

All in all, Cerberus has plenty of potential to cause trouble. Take on the entire universe by its own? Not a chance. Hunt down Shepard? I would say they have plenty of resources for that.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Dave of Canada wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

That said, I hope there is going to be an option for Shepard to lead the remnants of Cerberus, should he so choose. Kind of like the taking over Hallbech choice in Alpha Protocol (my fav).

I'd absolutely love this option (though I'd love to have TIM at my side ), though I really hope it doesn't fall into the "Paragon or Xenophobe Shepard" morality choice.

I don't think TIM will survive ME3, sadly.

And yea definitely. If they make the Shepard who wants to lead Cerberus an automatic xenophobic a-hole, then bleh.