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[Thompson family]

Re: OP

I don't know what the rules are, but the issue's largely been resolved since the announcement that Male/Male relationships are no longer Taboo.

[Ryzaki]

SilentK wrote...
@ Ryzaki
I think he meant that you would have to reload until your choosen LI could have a relationship with the shep you were playing. I would be really sad if 3 hrs into the game I realised that Kaidan didn't want my FemShep and I had to start a new game    =)

 

Ah. 

I rather just have a toggle in that case. 

[CuseGirl]

@ Ryzaki
I think he meant that you would have to reload until your choosen LI could have a relationship with the shep you were playing. I would be really sad if 3 hrs into the game I realised that Kaidan didn't want my FemShep and I had to start a new game    =)

But if I was 3 hours into the game, I would just suck it up. The opening sequence to ME-2 is long enuff that if you picked the wrong hair or wrong skin color (which I noticed is slightly different from the customization screen) you just went with it because it would take too long to go back.

[Rinji the Bearded]

CuseGirl wrote...


I didn't mean for your Shepard, I meant for your squadmates. And it's not like my being gay in real-life has helped life spawn more gay people in it. If romance is important in your Shep game life but you didn't find that romance, tough cookies, you're supposed to be saving the world anyway. I dont understand the culture of orchestration on this forum. My first play thru, I didn't have enuff paragon to stop Miranda and Jack's argument, I sided with Miranda, I lost Jack's loyalty and I dealt with it.

So let's take the romances out completely, that should fix everything.

[SalsaDMA]

ipgd wrote...

Garbage Master wrote...

Nah I don't want DA2 in the space. Unreal and loaded with deviants rather heroes.
And I know if Bioware does it it will be their last good-selling game. Bioware will lose many of its fans.

Yes, because the sole factor in a game's sales is how many gay people are in it.

No. but when the primary force of the games a company spits out are believable characters it hurts peoples expectations for future games when they decide to shaft that aspect just to rope in another customer group.

Basicly it seems Bioware is trying to rope in as many different consumer groups as possible, and the resulting carnage done to the believability of the characters and the story will make people wonder they should bother when they abandoned the one driving force they had superior to other gaming companies. Especially with their recent "success" of DA2 in mind as well.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me thrice? Never gonna happen....

[Ryzaki]

RinjiRenee wrote...

CuseGirl wrote...


I didn't mean for your Shepard, I meant for your squadmates. And it's not like my being gay in real-life has helped life spawn more gay people in it. If romance is important in your Shep game life but you didn't find that romance, tough cookies, you're supposed to be saving the world anyway. I dont understand the culture of orchestration on this forum. My first play thru, I didn't have enuff paragon to stop Miranda and Jack's argument, I sided with Miranda, I lost Jack's loyalty and I dealt with it.

So let's take the romances out completely, that should fix everything.

It would fix me talking to Garrus and getting pushed off due to calibrations. 

[LordJeyl]

CuseGirl wrote...
Look, it was just an idea and I only brought it up because it seems there's a huge fear of the game DEVs "making" characters gay/bi and because some gamers have it in their minds that those characters are obviously clearly straight, it would upset them if that status was taken away.

But what difference would it make if you had a straight relationship with them in the first place? The developers and writers aren't taking anything away. They're just giving everyone more options than we've had previously. 

Nothing is being taken away. You're still in charge with how things play out.

[ElitePinecone]

@CuseGirl: Apologies if I came across as cranky. I still don't think it's a feasible idea (from the perspective of resources if nothing else; creating two or three dialogue tracks would be intense on time and money) and I'd imagine players wouldn't react well to it. Part of BW's strengths are in characterisation, taking this out of their control and assigning romances to randomisation would seem to stymie this.

To the poster above whose name I've forgotten in this fatigue-filled hysteria, we'll know more hopefully within a day or so.

I daresay the infusion of S/S topics hasn't helped prove we can discuss this reasonably. Alas.

[MonkeyLungs]

rolson00 wrote...

MonkeyLungs wrote...

So Shepard can be gay now?

where have you been? its bin confirmed for weeks now

Hmmmm.

It lets gay people or curious people or straight people that are like totally straight but just want to play gay people in rpg's more able to make Shepard the way they want which is bonus to RPG elements.

Yet it seems to me to be altering the character quite a bit and maybe a big addition to the character so late in the series?

[Leonia]

Ryzaki wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

CuseGirl wrote...


I didn't mean for your Shepard, I meant for your squadmates. And it's not like my being gay in real-life has helped life spawn more gay people in it. If romance is important in your Shep game life but you didn't find that romance, tough cookies, you're supposed to be saving the world anyway. I dont understand the culture of orchestration on this forum. My first play thru, I didn't have enuff paragon to stop Miranda and Jack's argument, I sided with Miranda, I lost Jack's loyalty and I dealt with it.

So let's take the romances out completely, that should fix everything.

It would fix me talking to Garrus and getting pushed off due to calibrations. 

Why you care about the reach and flexibility chats if you're not interested in him?

There is definitely an issue with LIs getting more dialogue than the non-LIs and I've never been happy with romance being tied into character development but at the same time if you're not interested in romancing that character it does't make sense that you should see the romance-oriented dialogue.

[Ryzaki]

leonia42 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

CuseGirl wrote...


I didn't mean for your Shepard, I meant for your squadmates. And it's not like my being gay in real-life has helped life spawn more gay people in it. If romance is important in your Shep game life but you didn't find that romance, tough cookies, you're supposed to be saving the world anyway. I dont understand the culture of orchestration on this forum. My first play thru, I didn't have enuff paragon to stop Miranda and Jack's argument, I sided with Miranda, I lost Jack's loyalty and I dealt with it.

So let's take the romances out completely, that should fix everything.

It would fix me talking to Garrus and getting pushed off due to calibrations. 

Why you care about the reach and flexibility chats if you're not interested in him?

There is definitely an issue with LIs getting more dialogue than the non-LIs and I've never been happy with romance being tied into character development but at the same time if you're not interested in romancing that character it does't make sense that you should see the romance-oriented dialogue.

If they didn't have to waste resources due to his romance that could've been more friendship chats instead. 

[Rinji the Bearded]

SalsaDMA wrote...

No. but when the primary force of the games a company spits out are believable characters it hurts peoples expectations for future games when they decide to shaft that aspect just to rope in another customer group.

Basicly it seems Bioware is trying to rope in as many different consumer groups as possible, and the resulting carnage done to the believability of the characters and the story will make people wonder they should bother when they abandoned the one driving force they had superior to other gaming companies. Especially with their recent "success" of DA2 in mind as well.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me thrice? Never gonna happen....

Because the fans are the ultimate authority on characterization?  As far as I know, there has been no evidence that any one character is exclusively straight, nor is it evident that people who are attracted members of the opposite sex know this from the very start of their lives.  I'm not so sure what the whole "believability of the characters" issue is here.

We don't even know if the s/s options are any of the old squad members, yet people are so paranoid that their worlds are going to fall apart if this happens to be the case.

tl;dr, if this relatively silly issue breaks the game for you, that's plain ignorant.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 13 juin 2011 - 03:32 .

[HolyMoogle]

*apologies to Neil Patrick Harris*

Oh Bioware community, sometimes there's only one way to respond to you, bless your lil' small-town hearts.

I've been hearing some concerns floatin' around up in here,
and y'see, I'd like to take just a moment to lay some fears to rest!
I know in the past some a y'all straight folk have felt a little left out of Mass Effect,
neglected, as it were, that Shepard could only be romancin' them dudes
Well fear not you God-fearin' folk, have we got news for you!

Because, y'see, with Mass Effect 3,

♫ It's not just for gays anymore! ♫

If you feel like someone this world excludes,
it's no longer only for dudes who like dudes!

We're inviting every hetero
to get to know us better-o

It's not just for gays anymore!

The glamour of ME is beckoning straights,
the people who marry in all 50 states!

Now put down your Playboy and go make a plan
to pick up Kinect and feel like a man!

So for people from Red states and people from Blue
the big Shepard rainbow is waiting for you!

Come in and be inspired,
there's no sodomy required!

Mass Effect is not just for gays anymooooooore! ♫

[FluffyScarf]

Well the Ash in catsuit thread lasted nearly 30 pages. This will come pretty close before a new topic crops up.

[PlumPaul93]

One thing I've read that is getting really tiring because it's wrong is that "they're just giving everyone more options" by making characters bi. There has to be lines drawn at some point in romances in general and If they did it and say something like there gay/bi now so yeah do them, I would be pretty PO'd. If you want to romance everyone even if it doesn't make sense you might not be playing the right game and a dating sim would be more appropriate wouldn't it? PS I have no interest in getting into an argument with people so please don't ask me anything about what I wrote.

Modifié par PlumPaul82393, 13 juin 2011 - 03:29 .

[rolson00]

MonkeyLungs wrote...

rolson00 wrote...

MonkeyLungs wrote...

So Shepard can be gay now?

where have you been? its bin confirmed for weeks now

Hmmmm.

It lets gay people or curious people or straight people that are like totally straight but just want to play gay people in rpg's more able to make Shepard the way they want which is bonus to RPG elements.

Yet it seems to me to be altering the character quite a bit and maybe a big addition to the character so late in the series?

they are not altering anyone in the me series shepard is who you want him/her to be, if you imagine your shep as striaght then that what your shepard is, wheras i like my femshep to be gay. all they are doing is adding more choice in it, if you dont agree with it bioware arnt making your maleshep pound jacobs arse are they?

[CuseGirl]

ElitePinecone wrote...

@CuseGirl: Apologies if I came across as cranky. I still don't think it's a feasible idea (from the perspective of resources if nothing else; creating two or three dialogue tracks would be intense on time and money)  

Honestly, right after I sent the initial post, the first thing that came into my mind was "there's no way they could write/record that much dialogue, especially to keep the gay/lesbian interactions realistic" but I didn't have a chance to address it because it got flamed so badly......I just keep hearing "dont make characters that are already straight gay" as if the inclusion of that option will hurt a gamer who won't pursue a gay/lesbian romance in the first place. I just think that it would be interesting if everyone's game world was unique in some way (outside of "Legion died during the suicide mission, so he's not in ME-3"). 

Everytime you walk into a restaurant or a library or a movie theatre, it could have 100 people in it and they could all be white straight men or it can be a conglomerate of races, genders, sexualities, religions, etc etc. How much would a game suffer if there's a 2% chance one of your squadmates isn't straight and you had no say in the matter? Maybe more so than I believe 

[Leonia]

Ryzaki wrote...

If they didn't have to waste resources due to his romance that could've been more friendship chats instead. 

Definitely, and the poor guy got the short end of the stick when it came to the overall amount of dialogue. Let us hope they will give us more friendship chat this time around.

[SalsaDMA]

RinjiRenee wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

No. but when the primary force of the games a company spits out are believable characters it hurts peoples expectations for future games when they decide to shaft that aspect just to rope in another customer group.

Basicly it seems Bioware is trying to rope in as many different consumer groups as possible, and the resulting carnage done to the believability of the characters and the story will make people wonder they should bother when they abandoned the one driving force they had superior to other gaming companies. Especially with their recent "success" of DA2 in mind as well.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me thrice? Never gonna happen....

Because the fans are the ultimate authority on characterization?  As far as I know, there has been no evidence that any one character is exclusively straight, nor is it evident that people who are attracted members of the opposite sex know this from the very start of their lives.  I'm not so sure what the whole "believability of the characters" issue is here.

We don't even know if the s/s options are any of the old squad members, yet people are so paranoid that their worlds are going to fall apart if this happens to be the case.

tl;dr, if this relatively silly issue breaks the game for you, that's plain ignorant.

Thanks for calling me ignorant just because we disagree on a subject. Could you be more biggotted towards people that have a different viewpoint?

With arguments like that from your side of the fence, you are showing all too well why people usually don't bother trying to discuss things with the biggot parade in these forums...

[Rinji the Bearded]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Thanks for calling me ignorant just because we disagree on a subject. Could you be more biggotted towards people that have a different viewpoint?

With arguments like that from your side of the fence, you are showing all too well why people usually don't bother trying to discuss things with the biggot parade in these forums...

It's not even an issue of biggotry.  You're letting something like the supposed characterization of a character who isn't yours to define break the game for you?  Even when we haven't even seen the game yet?  They can do what they want with their characters, which is obviously the case.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 13 juin 2011 - 03:37 .

[Xewaka]

rolson00 wrote...
they are not altering anyone in the me series shepard is who you want him/her to be, if you imagine your shep as striaght then that what your shepard is, wheras i like my femshep to be gay. all they are doing is adding more choice in it, if you dont agree with it bioware arnt making your maleshep pound jacobs arse are they?

Femshep never had a problem to be a lesbian, due to Liara in ME 1 and Kelly in ME 2.
The novelty is there only for Sheploo.

[ipgd]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Thanks for calling me ignorant just because we disagree on a subject. Could you be more biggotted towards people that have a different viewpoint?

With arguments like that from your side of the fence, you are showing all too well why people usually don't bother trying to discuss things with the biggot parade in these forums...

Just because you have an opinion doesn't make it right or worthy of respect. Some opinions are just dumb. Some people with opinions are just dicks.

The dirty homos will not affect your game in any way unless you actively seek out s/s relationships. Go have a good long cry about it, and then when you feel better play the game and realize it doesn't ****ing matter and you're making a big deal over absolutely nothing.

It takes a special kind of curmudgeon to base your enjoyment of a game around depriving other people of theirs.

[rolson00]

SalsaDMA wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

No. but when the primary force of the games a company spits out are believable characters it hurts peoples expectations for future games when they decide to shaft that aspect just to rope in another customer group.

Basicly it seems Bioware is trying to rope in as many different consumer groups as possible, and the resulting carnage done to the believability of the characters and the story will make people wonder they should bother when they abandoned the one driving force they had superior to other gaming companies. Especially with their recent "success" of DA2 in mind as well.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me thrice? Never gonna happen....

Because the fans are the ultimate authority on characterization?  As far as I know, there has been no evidence that any one character is exclusively straight, nor is it evident that people who are attracted members of the opposite sex know this from the very start of their lives.  I'm not so sure what the whole "believability of the characters" issue is here.

We don't even know if the s/s options are any of the old squad members, yet people are so paranoid that their worlds are going to fall apart if this happens to be the case.

tl;dr, if this relatively silly issue breaks the game for you, that's plain ignorant.

Thanks for calling me ignorant just because we disagree on a subject. Could you be more biggotted towards people that have a different viewpoint?

With arguments like that from your side of the fence, you are showing all too well why people usually don't bother trying to discuss things with the biggot parade in these forums...

im hoping they are old squad mates cant b arsed with new poeple i dont even want that james vega guy but ne who but im thinking its all coming down to poeple thinking "why should you decide what my shepard is or isnt or how i play my game".
i said this to monkey lungs but ill say it again

they are not altering anyone in the me series shepard is who you want him/her to be, if you imagine your shep as striaght then that what your shepard is, wheras i like my femshep to be gay. all they are doing is adding more choice in it, if you dont agree with it bioware arnt making your maleshep pound jacobs arse are they?

[HolyMoogle]

SalsaDMA wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

No. but when the primary force of the games a company spits out are believable characters it hurts peoples expectations for future games when they decide to shaft that aspect just to rope in another customer group.

Basicly it seems Bioware is trying to rope in as many different consumer groups as possible, and the resulting carnage done to the believability of the characters and the story will make people wonder they should bother when they abandoned the one driving force they had superior to other gaming companies. Especially with their recent "success" of DA2 in mind as well.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me thrice? Never gonna happen....

Because the fans are the ultimate authority on characterization?  As far as I know, there has been no evidence that any one character is exclusively straight, nor is it evident that people who are attracted members of the opposite sex know this from the very start of their lives.  I'm not so sure what the whole "believability of the characters" issue is here.

We don't even know if the s/s options are any of the old squad members, yet people are so paranoid that their worlds are going to fall apart if this happens to be the case.

tl;dr, if this relatively silly issue breaks the game for you, that's plain ignorant.

Thanks for calling me ignorant just because we disagree on a subject. Could you be more biggotted towards people that have a different viewpoint?

With arguments like that from your side of the fence, you are showing all too well why people usually don't bother trying to discuss things with the biggot parade in these forums...

Criticism of you interpretation of narrative mechanics/the integrity of a fictional character is not "bigoted". What, are you being bigoted re his rights to criticize your view? Circular, circular, so very very silly...