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[Rinji the Bearded]

Ryzaki wrote...
I'm guessing the turian councilor visits BSN. 

Ah yes, "male homosexuals."  We have dismissed that claim.

[Rinji the Bearded]

SalsaDMA wrote...

So you are claiming I am the one insulting people and pouring hate in my posts?

Interesting.

You really are blind when reading these threads appearantly...

Not really claiming, just stating for a fact. 

Am I making you uncomfortable?

[SalsaDMA]

MonkeyLungs wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

MonkeyLungs wrote...
So in your opinion they are just bringing Shepard into line to make him the way he should have been from the start?

No. They're just bringing options into line. For some players, Shepard was already bi/gay from the start even without options (for his male form only of course). Role playing.

I can dig it with a shovel I guess. Still kind of seems like they are changing Male Shep a little bit but I realize that isn't a universally accepted viewpoint. It's still better for RPG that they added the option and I've said that from the start but it feels like a change to character. They probably should have just let Male Shep rub crewmate p...enis from ME1 onward. It's not like gay people can't shoot geth or punch mouthy reporters or headbutt Krogans too.

I don't think anyone would have had any serious issue with it if it had been present in ME1 and ME2. It's the sudden inclusion in the final chapter that is jarring people off.

[SilentK]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Since this seems to be the main s/s thread for the time being, I'll just leave this here:

Some of us want to be able to talk to crew members without being railroaded into s/s romances. I see the word "optional" being thrown around but given the track record of ME1 and ME2 this is a laughable notion. Ever tried to avoid a Sheploo romance with Ash in ME1? It's pretty damn difficult. Even if you don't talk to her at all, she still confronts you with Liara and tells you to choose between them. In ME2 you need only say that it's nice to see Miranda smile, and the two start flirting. Try using the dialogue wheel to tell Jack that you want to get to know her, and Shepard interprets this as "I want to know you before I f*** you". This is hardly what I'd call "optional". The only "option" for those who want to avoid unwanted romances is to not speak to the crew at all, and in ME1 even that doesn't work, as previously mentioned. So please, stop with all the "optional" BS. It's fine to say you want s/s, but don't claim it's optional when the last two games prove it's anything but.

Hmmm... but this could be solved with intent-symbols like in DA2. I guess ME will decide themselves how they want to fix it. I agree that it can be a little difficult at times. I can be a little rude to Kelly or Thane when I want my FemShep to be faithful to Kaidan. I don't see this as a problem with romances, more as a problem with the player knowing what they are saying.

[SalsaDMA]

RinjiRenee wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

So you are claiming I am the one insulting people and pouring hate in my posts?

Interesting.

You really are blind when reading these threads appearantly...

Not really claiming, just stating for a fact. 

Am I making you uncomfortable?

Only by your inability to read the insults you made yourself, or those of the other posters wanting to pour hate my way for daring to speak out my disagreement on the subject.

That you even state your fallacious reading skill makes you claim a fact to exist which anyone reading the thread can verify does not so is just.... I don't know... fascinating in it's own way I guess....

[MonkeyLungs]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Since this seems to be the main s/s thread for the time being, I'll just leave this here:

Some of us want to be able to talk to crew members without being railroaded into s/s romances

I agree on this one.

You should be able to tell any crewmember regardless of sex that everything needs to remain professional and conversations from that point on should reflect that.

Honestly there should be a friendship path that is comparably strong as the romance path for all crewmates. You should be able to become close and learn more about them without any romance involved.

[shepskisaac]

SalsaDMA wrote...
I was wondering when people would resort to pull the "racist card"...

If anything, you guys (and by "you guys" I am meaning the peeps in general here that pour hate on anyone that dare to disagree with the changes made to the game series in this regard) are showing all too well why decent discussions are impossible about the subject.

You don't want to have a particular group of people in your game just because of their innate characteristic which doesn't hurt you in a bit. I don't need to pull any card. The argument you bring into the discussion is irrational hate/dislike in the very first place. Yet I've been still polite to you so stop accusing everyone of hating on you when you bring present a hateful argument in the very first place.

[Ryzaki]

MonkeyLungs wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Since this seems to be the main s/s thread for the time being, I'll just leave this here:

Some of us want to be able to talk to crew members without being railroaded into s/s romances

I agree on this one.

You should be able to tell any crewmember regardless of sex that everything needs to remain professional and conversations from that point on should reflect that.

Honestly there should be a friendship path that is comparably strong as the romance path for all crewmates. You should be able to become close and learn more about them without any romance involved.

 

Really I've never heard s/s supporters want someone to be ninjamanced by anyone gay or straight. It's not fun and it's really annoying regardless of the sexuality of the LI. 

[rolson00]

PurebredCorn wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Wait, wait.

We're being insulting and hateful for stating that straight people also support the s/s option.. we're the ones being called intolerant? Hang on, give me a minute to work this one out..

Feel free to go back and read the posts.

Honestly, you should have stopped posting a while back, you're just embarassing yourself and consistently getting owned. Not that it's not entertaining, mind you.

huh? im straight and i want s/s

[SalsaDMA]

PurebredCorn wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Wait, wait.

We're being insulting and hateful for stating that straight people also support the s/s option.. we're the ones being called intolerant? Hang on, give me a minute to work this one out..

Feel free to go back and read the posts.

Honestly, you should have stopped posting a while back, you're just embarassing yourself and consistently getting owned. Not that it's not entertaining, mind you.

Owned?

By people claiming they aren't insulting me in one post and then the next spewing bile from their mouths towards me?

I guess we have different viewpoints on what "being owned" constitutes.

A mob spouting hate and disregard for anyone that disagree with them is not "owning" anything. They are making a mockery of themselves, though, when they at the same time claim to be "openminded" and that anyone that disagrees with them are "intolerant" and deserves no tolerance. It's quite interesting reading from a psycological point of view.

[Rinji the Bearded]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Only by your inability to read the insults you made yourself, or those of the other posters wanting to pour hate my way for daring to speak out my disagreement on the subject.

That you even state your fallacious reading skill makes you claim a fact to exist which anyone reading the thread can verify does not so is just.... I don't know... fascinating in it's own way I guess....

Fascinating you say?

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 13 juin 2011 - 04:26 .

[Ianamus]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Since this seems to be the main s/s thread for the time being, I'll just leave this here:

Some of us want to be able to talk to crew members without being railroaded into s/s romances. I see the word "optional" being thrown around but given the track record of ME1 and ME2 this is a laughable notion. Ever tried to avoid a Sheploo romance with Ash in ME1? It's pretty damn difficult. Even if you don't talk to her at all, she still confronts you with Liara and tells you to choose between them. In ME2 you need only say that it's nice to see Miranda smile, and the two start flirting. Try using the dialogue wheel to tell Jack that you want to get to know her, and Shepard interprets this as "I want to know you before I f*** you". This is hardly what I'd call "optional". The only "option" for those who want to avoid unwanted romances is to not speak to the crew at all, and in ME1 even that doesn't work, as previously mentioned. So please, stop with all the "optional" BS. It's fine to say you want s/s, but don't claim it's optional when the last two games prove it's anything but.

Being 'forced' into romances, and lack of dialogue options outside of romance paths are problems with all of the romanceable characters in Mass Effect, and I really hope they change this.

DAO handled this perfectly- If you became freindly with Leliana as a female warden she would drop you a subtle hint of a flirt (which you could pick up on with a very obvious dialogue option) or select one of five other options (No approval loss and it was never brought up again). This allowed you to say whatever you wanted, and in no way stopped you from having a strong friendship and lots of dialogue with her.

It shows that s/s content can be done well, and not limit interaction. Whether or not they will follow this example in ME3, we will have to wait and see.

Modifié par EJ107, 13 juin 2011 - 04:30 .

[CuseGirl]

The only "option" for those who want to avoid unwanted romances is to not speak to the crew at all, and in ME1 even that doesn't work, as previously mentioned. So please, stop with all the "optional" BS. It's fine to say you want s/s, but don't claim it's optional when the last two games prove it's anything but.

so because the romance dialogue and mechanism was poorly executed, they should just leave out same-sex realtionships altogether? Ask for more specific dialogue options or at least options whose results are clearer.

[SalsaDMA]

IsaacShep wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...
I was wondering when people would resort to pull the "racist card"...

If anything, you guys (and by "you guys" I am meaning the peeps in general here that pour hate on anyone that dare to disagree with the changes made to the game series in this regard) are showing all too well why decent discussions are impossible about the subject.

You don't want to have a particular group of people in your game just because of their innate characteristic which doesn't hurt you in a bit. I don't need to pull any card. The argument you bring into the discussion is irrational hate/dislike in the very first place. Yet I've been still polite to you so stop accusing everyone of hating on you when you bring present a hateful argument in the very first place.

Straw man.

[jbblue05]

Its so unfair that bi-sexual players can have about 6 LI's, homosexuals entire crew is gay just like them,  Straight Shepard is in the minority as being the only straight person on the ship.

[CroGamer002]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

http://t3.gstatic.co...q8KImA7l_fqsTww

I lol'd


Anyway OP should change the title since we're talking about S/S romances for a while.

[CroGamer002]

rolson00 wrote...

PurebredCorn wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Wait, wait.

We're being insulting and hateful for stating that straight people also support the s/s option.. we're the ones being called intolerant? Hang on, give me a minute to work this one out..

Feel free to go back and read the posts.

Honestly, you should have stopped posting a while back, you're just embarassing yourself and consistently getting owned. Not that it's not entertaining, mind you.

huh? im straight and i want s/s

Same here, though I doubt I'll play gay ManShep unless I get really bored.

Which might happen since I didn't planned to have more then 3 Shep's( I now have 12).

[Xewaka]

MonkeyLungs wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

MonkeyLungs wrote...
So in your opinion they are just bringing Shepard into line to make him the way he should have been from the start?

No. They're just bringing options into line. For some players, Shepard was already bi/gay from the start even without options (for his male form only of course). Role playing.

I can dig it with a shovel I guess. Still kind of seems like they are changing Male Shep a little bit but I realize that isn't a universally accepted viewpoint. It's still better for RPG that they added the option and I've said that from the start but it feels like a change to character. They probably should have just let Male Shep rub crewmate p...enis from ME1 onward. It's not like gay people can't shoot geth or punch mouthy reporters or headbutt Krogans too.

If we go by dummied out content -both for ME 1 and ME 2-, that was the intention from the start. However, said content had to be cut for unstated reasons.

[SennenScale]

Ryzaki wrote...
I'm guessing the turian councilor visits BSN. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/bandit.png[/smilie]

I heard the twilight zone theme just now.

MonkeyLungs wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Since this seems to be the main s/s thread for the time being, I'll just leave this here:
Some of us want to be able to talk to crew members without being railroaded into s/s romances

I agree on this one.

You
should be able to tell any crewmember regardless of sex that everything
needs to remain professional and conversations from that point on
should reflect that.

Honestly there should be a friendship path
that is comparably strong as the romance path for all crewmates. You
should be able to become close and learn more about them without any
romance involved.

Well, I think this is something pretty much everyone can agree on. Does anyone actually like ninjamancing or calibrations? The devs said that they're working on the calibrations issue IIRC.

Mordin and Legion are liked by almost everybody, probably because they're not romanceable. They get more friendly dialogue, particularly Mordin.

And I do want to be able to talk with opposite sex crewmates without running into the issue with femshep and Jacob. Unwanted flirts are no less unwanted just because I'm straight. Solution for ninjamances would be to make everything player initiated, would it not?

[AlanC9]

SalsaDMA wrote...
If anything, you guys (and by "you guys" I am meaning the peeps in general here that pour hate on anyone that dare to disagree with the changes made to the game series in this regard) are showing all too well why decent discussions are impossible about the subject.

Dude, when other people aren't buying your argument, you might want to consider if the argument just might not be a good one.

[Leonia]

Right, I figured it out.

We're hateful for being tolerant and the intolerant one is just saying he has every right to be intolerant regardless if that intolerance comes with hatred attached or not. Ok.. whether you want to play the race card or the sexuality card, intolerance is definitely a state-of-mind that I cannot, nor do I want to, comprehend.

At the end of the day the s/s option is an optional option that will not affect the experience of people who do not want to experience it. To exclude anyone, based on gender, race, sexual preference or anything in between is downright nonsensical and dare I say: hateful.

[onelifecrisis]

Yes, there are plenty of ways to solve the problem, and I approve of any/all of the suggestions given. But until I see one implemented in anything that says ME on it, the "optional options are optional" line remains a load of BS.