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[CroGamer002]

jbblue05 wrote...

Its so unfair that bi-sexual players can have about 6 LI's, homosexuals entire crew is gay just like them,  Straight Shepard is in the minority as being the only straight person on the ship.

Didn't someone from Bioware's Dragon Age team said "romances are for everyone"?

Also check Yathzee's blog about that too.

[rolson00]

jbblue05 wrote...

Its so unfair that bi-sexual players can have about 6 LI's, homosexuals entire crew is gay just like them,  Straight Shepard is in the minority as being the only straight person on the ship.

how is it unfair if ur playing a bi shep then its a party if ur playing a striaght shep then the squad will be straight. it only becomes a gay LI when you do the romances

[SalsaDMA]

jbblue05 wrote...

Its so unfair that bi-sexual players can have about 6 LI's, homosexuals entire crew is gay just like them,  Straight Shepard is in the minority as being the only straight person on the ship.

Hopefully they won't go the route of DA2 and make everyone "Shepcentric".

I don't have any evidence to support it, but I believe they got a fair amount of flak for that decision in DA2, so one can hope they will flesh out the different characters a bit more than just giving everyone the broad stroke with the writers brush and make everyone behave the same towards any shepard.

Heck, if we were really lucky, they would even make paragon/renegade matter in what characters felt about Shepard compared to their own ideology.

[SilentK]

SennenScale wrote...

Well, I think this is something pretty much everyone can agree on. Does anyone actually like ninjamancing or calibrations? The devs said that they're working on the calibrations issue IIRC.

Mordin and Legion are liked by almost everybody, probably because they're not romanceable. They get more friendly dialogue, particularly Mordin.

And I do want to be able to talk with opposite sex crewmates without running into the issue with femshep and Jacob. Unwanted flirts are no less unwanted just because I'm straight. Solution for ninjamances would be to make everything player initiated, would it not?

Jupp, and you should know when you are about to initiate or decline a romance    =)    I can sometimes be a little dense on picking up the sublte signs so I need clear signals. Otherwise I resort to being rude even if I don't want to.

[SalsaDMA]

AlanC9 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...
If anything, you guys (and by "you guys" I am meaning the peeps in general here that pour hate on anyone that dare to disagree with the changes made to the game series in this regard) are showing all too well why decent discussions are impossible about the subject.

Dude, when other people aren't buying your argument, you might want to consider if the argument just might not be a good one.

They aren't discussing what I actually say. They are just putting their own feelings into it and using me as a visualization of what they dislike so they can attack it.

Purely because I disagreed with them in regards to a point. It's the very essence of being biggoted, closeminded and intolerant. In a way it's kinda funny, in its own sad way.

It does make you wonder why the thread is still alive when they are throwing insults around so openly, though.

[MonkeyLungs]

Xewaka wrote...

MonkeyLungs wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

MonkeyLungs wrote...
So in your opinion they are just bringing Shepard into line to make him the way he should have been from the start?

No. They're just bringing options into line. For some players, Shepard was already bi/gay from the start even without options (for his male form only of course). Role playing.

I can dig it with a shovel I guess. Still kind of seems like they are changing Male Shep a little bit but I realize that isn't a universally accepted viewpoint. It's still better for RPG that they added the option and I've said that from the start but it feels like a change to character. They probably should have just let Male Shep rub crewmate p...enis from ME1 onward. It's not like gay people can't shoot geth or punch mouthy reporters or headbutt Krogans too.

If we go by dummied out content -both for ME 1 and ME 2-, that was the intention from the start. However, said content had to be cut for unstated reasons.

Would be less controversial if included from the start. Overall though it provides an increase to RPG and adds options for players. The story having a proper conclusion is my only real worry. I don't really care if someone's Shep rubs Kaiden p...enis. I do care if they cliffhanger the ending. I want  a satisfying end to the trilogy.

[SalsaDMA]

leonia42 wrote...

Right, I figured it out.

We're hateful for being tolerant and the intolerant one is just saying he has every right to be intolerant regardless if that intolerance comes with hatred attached or not. Ok.. whether you want to play the race card or the sexuality card, intolerance is definitely a state-of-mind that I cannot, nor do I want to, comprehend.

At the end of the day the s/s option is an optional option that will not affect the experience of people who do not want to experience it. To exclude anyone, based on gender, race, sexual preference or anything in between is downright nonsensical and dare I say: hateful.

Again. Feel free to go back and actually read my posts.

[CuseGirl]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Yes, there are plenty of ways to solve the problem, and I approve of any/all of the suggestions given. But until I see one implemented in anything that says ME on it, the "optional options are optional" line remains a load of BS.

That line was for people who are freaking out about the idea of same-sex romances in ME-3. In particular, the "dont make established characters who are already OBVIOUSLY straight turn into gays" contingent.

[PlumPaul93]

Thinking about it, I realized the reason I didn't like the fact that all LI's in DA2 were bi/hawkesexual wasn't because it changed characters (It seemed possible for them except maybe anders), but because over half of the comapnions were available to hawke and 1 was your sibling, a dwarf, and the other was someone you couldn't express interest in. To me that made the game loose a lot of credibility and I couldn't take the game seriously anymore. I hope ME3 handles romances better.

Modifié par PlumPaul82393, 13 juin 2011 - 04:45 .

[SalsaDMA]

MonkeyLungs wrote...

Would be less controversial if included from the start. Overall though it provides an increase to RPG and adds options for players. The story having a proper conclusion is my only real worry. I don't really care if someone's Shep rubs Kaiden p...enis. I do care if they cliffhanger the ending. I want  a satisfying end to the trilogy.

I don't think they'll repeat that particular detail of DA2. At least I hope not.

It smacked too much of "you need to buy DLC's to complete the game in a proper fashion".

Considering how many places I read negative comments about that part of DA2, I dare say they prob understood the point about giving a game a proper conclusion in its own right, instead of making the end a cliffhanger.

Heck, with ME3 being the end of a trilogy, there would be a raging mob at the front doors of Bioware HQ if they made the ending in ME3 a cliffhanger

[mopotter]

MonkeyLungs wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Since this seems to be the main s/s thread for the time being, I'll just leave this here:

Some of us want to be able to talk to crew members without being railroaded into s/s romances

I agree on this one.

You should be able to tell any crewmember regardless of sex that everything needs to remain professional and conversations from that point on should reflect that.

Honestly there should be a friendship path that is comparably strong as the romance path for all crewmates. You should be able to become close and learn more about them without any romance involved.

I would also like this.  I'll do any romance they give us with a new character but i know I'm missing out on some interesting information because we don't have a friendship path.  I also wanted to tell Sha'ira to back off.  Most of my Shepard's are not into hugging people they don't know.  A way to say no without being rude wold be great.  

[shepskisaac]

SalsaDMA wrote...
Straw man.

Ohh how surprising, truth hurts.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 13 juin 2011 - 04:44 .

[onelifecrisis]

CuseGirl wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Yes, there are plenty of ways to solve the problem, and I approve of any/all of the suggestions given. But until I see one implemented in anything that says ME on it, the "optional options are optional" line remains a load of BS.

That line was for people who are freaking out about the idea of same-sex romances in ME-3. In particular, the "dont make established characters who are already OBVIOUSLY straight turn into gays" contingent.

But I am one of those people. I support the bold bit because of the romance railroading. I didn't like being railroaded into m/f romances/flirts in ME2. Being railroaded into s/s romances/flirts in ME3, especially with characters that my Shepard believes to be "just friends", would be even worse.

[SalsaDMA]

IsaacShep wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...
Straw man.

Ohh how surprising, truth hurts.

I'm sorry it hurt you. 

[rolson00]

CuseGirl wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Yes, there are plenty of ways to solve the problem, and I approve of any/all of the suggestions given. But until I see one implemented in anything that says ME on it, the "optional options are optional" line remains a load of BS.

That line was for people who are freaking out about the idea of same-sex romances in ME-3. In particular, the "dont make established characters who are already OBVIOUSLY straight turn into gays" contingent.

people also dont read bioware wanted ash & kaiden to be bi in me1 see vid here they did this by finishing what bw left on the pc files

[shepskisaac]

onelifecrisis wrote...
Being railroaded into s/s romances/flirts in ME3, especially with characters that my Shepard believes to be "just friends", would be even worse.

So I take you hated Tali and Garrus romance in ME2?

[Rinji the Bearded]

I think it was stated somewhere on a twitter post that s/s options would be available, depending on how you interact with that character. That said, I hope they would actually make those flirt lines a bit more obvious. Telling Miranda that it's nice to see her smile shouldn't be a flirt line necessarily.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 13 juin 2011 - 04:48 .

[CuseGirl]

@OneLifeCrisis

But that leads us back to poor execution, not simply "I dont want to be inundated with even the option to flirt with a same-sex squadmate", that's a cheap and lazy solution to the issue. Since they claim the squad will be smaller and there will be a bigger focus on the social aspect of ME-3, I'm hopeful that the execution of forming friendships (while avoiding romances) will be improved.

[SalsaDMA]

onelifecrisis wrote...

CuseGirl wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Yes, there are plenty of ways to solve the problem, and I approve of any/all of the suggestions given. But until I see one implemented in anything that says ME on it, the "optional options are optional" line remains a load of BS.

That line was for people who are freaking out about the idea of same-sex romances in ME-3. In particular, the "dont make established characters who are already OBVIOUSLY straight turn into gays" contingent.

But I am one of those people. I support the bold bit because of the romance railroading. I didn't like being railroaded into m/f romances/flirts in ME2. Being railroaded into s/s romances/flirts in ME3, especially with characters that my Shepard believes to be "just friends", would be even worse.

hahaha. That made me imagine a scene of the kind you don't want:

Shepard (Selects dialogue from the wheel): Yo. What's up, Bro?
Male Npc: Me. *winks*
Player: huh? Wait.. What's he doing... WTF??????

[Rinji the Bearded]

SalsaDMA wrote...

hahaha. That made me imagine a scene of the kind you don't want:

Shepard (Selects dialogue from the wheel): Yo. What's up, Bro?
Male Npc: Me. *winks*
Player: huh? Wait.. What's he doing... WTF??????

But when Liara does the same thing to a femshep in ME1, it's fine.

[SennenScale]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Thinking about it, I realized the reason I didn't like the fact that all LI's in DA2 were bi/hawkesexual wasn't because it changed characters (It seemed possible for them except maybe anders), but because over half of them were available to hawke. To me that made the game loose a lot of credibility and I couldn't take the game seriously anymore. I hope ME3 handles romances better.

Well, now we're getting somewhere.


So the issue was that over half the party wanted in on the Hawke action? That I can understand.

It has some weird implications for Hawke, seeing as how the only ones who aren't romanceable are not their by Hawke's choice. Hawke's not recruiting a party, s/he's recruiting a harem.

[shepskisaac]

SalsaDMA wrote...
hahaha. That made me imagine a scene of the kind you don't want:

Shepard (Selects dialogue from the wheel): Yo. What's up, Bro?
Male Npc: Me. *winks*
Player: huh? Wait.. What's he doing... WTF??????

You can't possibly be older than 12. Here's a breaking news, Casey said s/s romances will be reactive to how you interact with the characters in the game. So if SalsaDMA picks all the "I like your ass man!" options in the game and then comes here complining he ended up in gay romance, we will know it didn't happen by an accident nor was "rail-roaded"

[onelifecrisis]

CuseGirl wrote...

@OneLifeCrisis

But that leads us back to poor execution, not simply "I dont want to be inundated with even the option to flirt with a same-sex squadmate", that's a cheap and lazy solution to the issue. Since they claim the squad will be smaller and there will be a bigger focus on the social aspect of ME-3, I'm hopeful that the execution of forming friendships (while avoiding romances) will be improved.

I'm hoping against hope for that too, but I have a severe lack of faith in Bioware's ability to do this. It is easy to do, and they still failed at it - twice. I'm sure that pretty much any member of this forum could re-write all the dialogue wheel texts in ME2 in such a way that nobody was ever confused by them. The fact that Bioware never bothered to do this (in spite of the small amount of time it would take) strongly indicates that it simply isn't a priority for them. If it wasn't a priority after ME1, I doubt it will suddenly become a priority now.

[FluffyScarf]

They'll continue to defend M1 to their graves. Don't know why you're surprised by the double standards.

[SalsaDMA]

IsaacShep wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...
hahaha. That made me imagine a scene of the kind you don't want:

Shepard (Selects dialogue from the wheel): Yo. What's up, Bro?
Male Npc: Me. *winks*
Player: huh? Wait.. What's he doing... WTF??????

You can't possibly be older than 12. Here's a breaking news, Casey said s/s romances will be reactive to how you interact with the characters in the game. So if SalsaDMA picks all the "I like your ass man!" options in the game and then comes here complining he ended up in gay romance, we will know it didn't happen by an accident nor was "rail-roaded"

Ooohh.. age insults too now. Gosh...

You know... it would behove you to actually read what I write instead of putting your own words in my posts if you want to make replies to me. And I'm not only talking about the latest post but in general. It's clear from your posts that you are not really reading what I write but just firing off from your hip with the usual vitriol as soon as someone raises a word of disagreement.