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[MACharlie1]

Lumikki wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

Is it not possible for someone to have feelings for both sexes?  

It is, but it's very rare. When it's made common it gives wrong impression how things really are.

I don't think it's as rare as you think. Studies show sexuality is a bell curve - with it being unusual for someone to be 100% ****** or heterosexual.
Since this is an M rated game, I don't think we should be worrying about how impressionate a game is. Those who play it know how unrealistic the game is already is.  How many alien chicks would really want to bang Shepard? 

[SennenScale]

Lumikki wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...
Is it not possible for someone to have feelings for both sexes?  

It is, but it's very rare. When it's made common it gives wrong impression how things really are.

So does FTL travel, biotics, and ruins on mars. Considering all those things are completely and totally made up, I'd say bisexuality isn't that unbelievable in comparision since it actually exists.

[Neria Rose]

Lumikki wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

Is it not possible for someone to have feelings for both sexes?  

It is, but it's very rare. When it's made common it gives wrong impression how things really are.

Where are you getting your numbers, please? Can you read the minds of the billions of people on the planet to get an accurate account of how many people are straight/bi/gay? Can you tell the future and determine whether people who believe themselves to be gay/straight will definitely not ever end up with someone of the opposite/same gender?

[MACharlie1]

Raiders Fan 223 wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

Raiders Fan 223 wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Raiders Fan 223 wrote...

Now there's your problem.

lol'd


Many S/S supporters are grasping at straws here.  My favorite agrument is: "Male Shep, Garrus, Kaiden, (insert character here) never says that they AREN'T straight.  Therefore, it is only logical that they can (and some would argue should) be bi/gay."  Lol yeah, Bioware was smart enough not to include diologue for each character where they said "Yeah Shepard, I'll come on your suicide mission. BTW, im not gay."  Are there any concrete hints that any of them are?  Not that I'm aware of.  But, Garrus talked about lettting off stress with his old female turian crew mate, Thane had a wife, and Jacob was rumored to have feelings for Miranda ("She requires a better man than I," etc).

And male shepard... any evidence there?  Wouldn't there be a hint of something in the first two games?

Is it not possible for someone to have feelings for both sexes?  

Obviously its possible for someone to do so.  But Shepard hasn't provided any evidence that there is any sort of male attraction lol.  It would be the retcon of all retcons.

And it would affect the game if he suddenly became gay/bi.  It COULD influence other characters, and they may look at Shepard differently if they saw him acting in that way.  I don't know if that would be the case, but its definetly a possibility.  I assume many straight people would view him differently.

I have played a Shepard without any sort of female attraction. He accepted the consorts gift without sex and didn't pursue a romance with anyone. No indication either way. It's fair game. Hell, in reality, if this was the case - people would start to wonder if Shepard was gay. 

And this is a hundred years into the future. It has probably become a societal norm by then. I would say more people would be appalled about the fact that he is with aliens then with another man. 

Modifié par MACharlie1, 13 juin 2011 - 12:02 .

[Stardusk78]

The real problem is that there are not enough hot lesbians in the real world; most are incredibly fat, ugly or any combination of the two. We need more hot lesbians in the real world!

[ElitePinecone]

Raiders Fan 223 wrote...
Obviously its possible for someone to do so.  But Shepard hasn't provided any evidence that there is any sort of male attraction lol.  It would be the retcon of all retcons.

And it would affect the game if he suddenly became gay/bi.  It COULD influence other characters, and they may look at Shepard differently if they saw him acting in that way.  I don't know if that would be the case, but its definetly a possibility.  I assume many straight people would view him differently.

I feel compelled to answer this, even though this topic is on the no-go list at the moment. 

Firstly, Shepard isn't a he. 
Secondly, there is no established sexuality. A retcon isn't a retcon when nothing's been defined in the first place. The option to have heterosexual relationships does not make Shepard heterosexual.

Equally, the option to have homosexual relationships in ME3 does not make Shepard gay. 

Thirdly, you're assuming far too much. Wait and see what Bioware come up with, and judge them from that alone. 

[PlumPaul93]

Raiders Fan 223 wrote...Obviously its possible for someone to do so.  But Shepard hasn't provided any evidence that there is any sort of male attraction lol.  It would be the retcon of all retcons.

And it would affect the game if he suddenly became gay/bi.  It COULD influence other characters, and they may look at Shepard differently if they saw him acting in that way.  I don't know if that would be the case, but its definetly a possibility.  I assume many straight people would view him differently.

I really doubt in game characters will care, heck shepard's face could be redone and everyone acts like it's the same shepard .

[Raiders Fan 223]

You got us. We don't have up to the minute reports and statistics on the proportion of gay/bi humans on the earth.

But, it would probably be more widely accepted if it was considered "common"

[Lumikki]

Neria Rose wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

Is it not possible for someone to have feelings for both sexes?  

It is, but it's very rare. When it's made common it gives wrong impression how things really are.

Where are you getting your numbers, please?

It's the difference between been open minded and really be bisexual.

A 2007 report said that 14.4% of young US women identified themselves as
bisexual/lesbian, with 5.6% of the men identifying as gay or bisexual.

Modifié par Lumikki, 13 juin 2011 - 12:09 .

[78stonewobble]

MACharlie1 wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

Is it not possible for someone to have feelings for both sexes?  

It is, but it's very rare. When it's made common it gives wrong impression how things really are.

I don't think it's as rare as you think. Studies show sexuality is a bell curve - with it being unusual for someone to be 100% ****** or heterosexual.
Since this is an M rated game, I don't think we should be worrying about how impressionate a game is. Those who play it know how unrealistic the game is already is.  How many alien chicks would really want to bang Shepard? 

A flat bell curve or an "uhm" high one?

I don't run into THAT many bi people. Sure some are "curious" but thats not necessarily "bi" (in my enterpretation of it). "Curious" is more like... hmm finding out whether youre this or that.

[Raygereio]

Raiders Fan 223 wrote...
But Shepard hasn't provided any evidence that there is any sort of male attraction lol.  It would be the retcon of all retcons.

I don't know about that. How about that awkward scene everytime you aproached Kaiden on the Normandy? There was something going on there, I tell you.

As an aside:

78stonewobble wrote...
I don't run into THAT many bi people.

Do people carry post-it notes with they sexual orientation on their foreheads where you're from? That wasn't a bash, I just felt that souned weird.

Modifié par Raygereio, 13 juin 2011 - 12:09 .

[LordJeyl]

Clonedzero wrote...
oh lordie. i REALLY hope they dont do the DA2 route where everyones bi cus well, thats dumb...

I disagree. I think using the term "bi" to describe the romance options is a little disingenuous since you could easily make the case that they were gay the whole time if your player character (PC) was the same gender. That's what I thought when I romanced Merrill. The only character I ever got a "bi" feeling from was Isabela, and that was carried over from Dragon Age: Origins. I don't recall anyone complaining about her character being "bi". Even Anders' orientation is different if you play a male Hawke. Remember his friend he was trying to save from the chantry? If you're male, they were lovers. If you're female, they were friends.

All this means is that you're in control of how things play out. I personally would play the heck out of this game if everyone was bi, because not only would it add a ton of replay value without being redundant, but also because I would really like it if my Femshep was able to romance a female character who wasn't just Liara. 

And to quote the awesome David Gaider, “The romances in the game are not for ‘the straight male gamer’. They’re for everyone.” 

*SALUTE*

Modifié par LordJeyl, 13 juin 2011 - 12:09 .

[Clonedzero]

ah its happening already. people saying everyone being bi would be immersion breaking and unrealistic. especially since they'd all "suddenly become bi" at the same time. which actually makes sense, but whatever.

then everyones like "being bi is super common im gonna cite studies that i wont link sources to!"

then anyone that doesnt want characters retconned gets called a homophobe even when they support s/s romances with new characters.

there i just saved us 20 pages of uselessness.

[Neria Rose]

Lumikki wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

Is it not possible for someone to have feelings for both sexes?  

It is, but it's very rare. When it's made common it gives wrong impression how things really are.

Where are you getting your numbers, please?

It's the difference between been open minded and really be bisexual.

Source, please, or your comment about it being 'rare' counts for nought.

[PlumPaul93]

Clonedzero wrote...

oh lordie. i REALLY hope they dont do the DA2 route where everyones bi cus well, thats dumb...

should be done with new characters and maybe the VS's.

i just gotta hope they are tasteful with it and dont over do it. making everyone bi if you select the right dialogue is shameless retcons in the name of fanservice to a small minority that would annoy alot of people.

I got to agree with this what DA2 did was stupid, although other than anders and maybe merril it fit the character. Also guys there really aren't that many gay people in the world so I would say it is in the minority. It wouldn't be acceptable IMO to have as many bi and gay people as straight people as LI's if the game want's to have some realism. 1-2 new bi/gay characters + the VS should be alright.

[DJRackham]

It's an off line, single player game. If people don't want their Shepard to romace a specific NPC, then they shouldnt chose the optional dialog and all will be well.

Optional options are optional.

[Collider]

Modifié par Collider, 13 juin 2011 - 12:10 .

[Clonedzero]

LordJeyl wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...
oh lordie. i REALLY hope they dont do the DA2 route where everyones bi cus well, thats dumb...

I disagree. I think using the term "bi" to describe the romance options is a little disingenuous since you could easily make the case that they were gay the whole time if your player character (PC) was the same gender. That's what I thought when I romanced Merrill. The only character I ever got a "bi" feeling from was Isabela, and that was carried over from Dragon Age: Origins. I don't recall anyone complaining about her character being "bi". Even Anders' orientation is different if you play a male Hawke. Remember his friend he was trying to save from the chantry? If you're male, they were lovers. If you're female, they were friends.

All this means is that you're in control of how things play out. I personally would play the heck out of this game if everyone was bi, because not only would it add a ton of replay value without being redundant, but also because I would really like it if my Femshep was able to romance someone who wasn't just Liara.

And to quote the awesome David Gaider, “The romances in the game are not for ‘the straight male gamer’. They’re for everyone.” 

*SALUTE*

no. they're bi.
and no, anders is still bi if you play a female.
basically you're wrong about most of the points you made

and please, lets not take tips from DA2's book.

[Lumikki]

Neria Rose wrote...

Source, please, or your comment about it being 'rare' counts for nought.

It takes under 1 minute in google to find it out, but if you are lazy try wiki.

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Bisexuality

[Stardusk78]

Raiders Fan 223 wrote...

You got us. We don't have up to the minute reports and statistics on the proportion of gay/bi humans on the earth.

But, it would probably be more widely accepted if it was considered "common"

Not enough hot lesbians...

[78stonewobble]

Raygereio wrote...

Do people carry post-it notes with they sexual orientation on their foreheads where you're from? That wasn't a bash, I just felt that souned weird.

Heh good point. Truth be told I'm very open with people and they're pretty open with me. Apparently I project an aura of trustworthyness...

[bleetman]

Honestly, I'm not sure why folks who are inclined to agree with the availability of such an option are even bothering to turn up in threads like this to defend it. It's going in the game. We've already won.

Mmm, delicious anguish.

[Raiders Fan 223]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Raiders Fan 223 wrote...
Obviously its possible for someone to do so.  But Shepard hasn't provided any evidence that there is any sort of male attraction lol.  It would be the retcon of all retcons.

And it would affect the game if he suddenly became gay/bi.  It COULD influence other characters, and they may look at Shepard differently if they saw him acting in that way.  I don't know if that would be the case, but its definetly a possibility.  I assume many straight people would view him differently.

I feel compelled to answer this, even though this topic is on the no-go list at the moment. 

Firstly, Shepard isn't a he. 
Secondly, there is no established sexuality. A retcon isn't a retcon when nothing's been defined in the first place. The option to have heterosexual relationships does not make Shepard heterosexual.

Equally, the option to have homosexual relationships in ME3 does not make Shepard gay. 

Thirdly, you're assuming far too much. Wait and see what Bioware come up with, and judge them from that alone. 

Yes, I know Shepard isn't always a  he.  But marketing wise, he's a primarily a he.  According to Bioware (http://pc.ign.com/ar.../1118657p1.html), the Shepard character is male 80% of the time.  So for the sake of this argument, I'll be talking about male shepard.

No established sexuality?  I'm not sure exactly what you are looking for... a sign that Shepard carries around saying that he's straight?  An annoucement over the Normandy's comms?  There have been numerous heterosexual relationships, and ZERO male potential relationships.  I guess we are just disagreeing about the amount of evidence here.  I don't even know why people would think that Shepard would be gay except for the fact that they really want him to be.

There's really no point in arguing, so I'm out.  Its a touchy subject and I won't be changing any opinions.  You have your opinion, and I respectfully disagree.  Like you said, we will have to wait and see with Bioware.

[Neria Rose]

Lumikki wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

Source, please, or your comment about it being 'rare' counts for nought.

It takes under 1 minute in google to find it out, but if you are lazy try wiki.

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Bisexuality

Hahaha, Wiki? Please tell me you're not serious. Kindly provide primary literature that supports your claims (and that does not mean some religious paper based on faith instead of science).

[SilentNukee]

Lumikki wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...
Is it not possible for someone to have feelings for both sexes?  

It is, but it's very rare. When it's made common it gives wrong impression how things really are.

Erm, there are scientific studies on the matter, and NO ONE is 100% straight or 100% gay. We all fall somewhere in between.
Again I ask, why the hate? I mean, does having sexual relations with an entire different specie make it better than homosexuality just because it's a male and a female? In the real world, I would say you're out of your mind. In ME, everyone should have the ability to choose.