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[Lumikki]

Neria Rose wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

Source, please, or your comment about it being 'rare' counts for nought.

It takes under 1 minute in google to find it out, but if you are lazy try wiki.

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Bisexuality

Hahaha, Wiki? Please tell me you're not serious. Kindly provide primary literature that supports your claims (and that does not mean some religious paper based on faith instead of science).

Okey as you put my words agaist yours, then prove that I'm wrong? Show you evidence (data)?

Modifié par Lumikki, 13 juin 2011 - 12:18 .

[Clonedzero]

Neria Rose wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

Source, please, or your comment about it being 'rare' counts for nought.

It takes under 1 minute in google to find it out, but if you are lazy try wiki.

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Bisexuality

Hahaha, Wiki? Please tell me you're not serious. Kindly provide primary literature that supports your claims (and that does not mean some religious paper based on faith instead of science).

wheres your source....

[Raygereio]

bleetman wrote...
Honestly, I'm not sure why folks who are inclined to agree with the availability of such an option are even bothering to turn up in threads like this to defend it. It's going in the game. We've already won.

Same reason why the people who are against the availability of the option are complaining (something that's equally useless considering they've already lost and nothing is going to change that); they have an opinion and they feel like everyone should conform to their opinion. This while not realizing that the only proper thing to do with an opinion is to not give a damn about what other people think about it.

There's only one thing a sensible person can do in such cases: sit back and enjoy. Want some popcorn?

[Neria Rose]

Lumikki wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

Source, please, or your comment about it being 'rare' counts for nought.

It takes under 1 minute in google to find it out, but if you are lazy try wiki.

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Bisexuality

Hahaha, Wiki? Please tell me you're not serious. Kindly provide primary literature that supports your claims (and that does not mean some religious paper based on faith instead of science).

Okey as you put my words agaist yours, then prove that I'm wrong? Show you evidence (data)?

What am I trying to prove? I'm not the one who made claims about the prevalence of bisexuality. Please show me where I said "bisexuality is this common/uncommon."

[Raiders Fan 223]

Raygereio wrote...

Do people carry post-it notes with they sexual orientation on their foreheads where you're from? That wasn't a bash, I just felt that souned weird.

But don't you see, this was the main argument.  Male Shepard doesn't have a post-it note on his forehead explaining he's straight, therefore his sexuality is undetermined

Modifié par Raiders Fan 223, 13 juin 2011 - 12:22 .

[PlumPaul93]

Neria Rose wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

Source, please, or your comment about it being 'rare' counts for nought.

It takes under 1 minute in google to find it out, but if you are lazy try wiki.

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Bisexuality

Hahaha, Wiki? Please tell me you're not serious. Kindly provide primary literature that supports your claims (and that does not mean some religious paper based on faith instead of science).

You're grasping at straws here, it is widely known that gay/bi people are in the minority. But who really cares lumikki has an opinion different than yours just leave it at that.

[Collider]

But in the future, everyone's bisexual!

[Raiders Fan 223]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

Source, please, or your comment about it being 'rare' counts for nought.

It takes under 1 minute in google to find it out, but if you are lazy try wiki.

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Bisexuality

Hahaha, Wiki? Please tell me you're not serious. Kindly provide primary literature that supports your claims (and that does not mean some religious paper based on faith instead of science).

You're grasping at straws here, it is widely known that gay/bi people are in the minority. But who really cares lumikki has an opinion different than yours just leave it at that.

Wait, can you provide some primary literature to support that claim?

[DJRackham]

Shepard's sexual orientation is whatever you want it to be. That's the beauty of single player, offline gaming. What happens in my game in no way affects anyone else's game.

[Raygereio]

Raiders Fan 223 wrote...

Raygereio wrote...
Do people carry post-it notes with they sexual orientation on their foreheads where you're from? That wasn't a bash, I just felt that souned weird.

But don't you see, this was the main argument.  Male Shepard doesn't have a post-it note on his forehead explaining he's straight, therefore his sexuality is undetermined

Actually, you ripped that out of context. That was in response to something different.

But I do agree with you; this is supposed to be a roleplaying game after all. The more things one can do to make the character you're playing your own, the better I say. I personally don't care about romance options (if I want cringe worthy dialogues and awkward scenes I'll go buy a harlequin novel, or something), but I do understand why some people find it important.
The keyword in this whole discussion is that it's frigging optional. You don't want to mindmeld with the blue chick in ME1? Say no when she offers it. You don't want to Anders comming on to you in DA2? Don't click on any of the easily identifiable "start romance now" options.

The only thing anyone should really care about is the question of whether or not it's optional and "in your face". If it is then you as the player have no one to blame but yourself when you end with something you don't want.

[LordJeyl]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...
Also guys there really aren't that many gay people in the world so I would say it is in the minority. It wouldn't be acceptable IMO to have as many bi and gay people as straight people as LI's if the game want's to have some realism.

If we are to take you're "minority" argument into account, then realism waved "bye-bye" to Mass Effect the moment a player decides to play as a female Shepard. Since a lot of community members and official Bioware staff are happy to point out that more than half of Mass Effect gamers play as a Male Shepard, than the players who play as a Female Shepard are in the minority. So for all intents and purposes, playing a female Shepard in Mass Effect takes away the realism of the game. That doesn't make any sense, but thank god we can still play as Female Shepard. 

I think using "minority" as a means to back up your "realism" argument doesn't have any weight when we're talking about a game that's about as unrealistic as any scifi story out there. It's not our universe, it's not our time, so anything can go.

Modifié par LordJeyl, 13 juin 2011 - 12:33 .

[Clonedzero]

i just dont want them to mess with established characters, thats my only issue with it.

and i dont want to have people go "well they never said they were straight" crap, cus thats a straight up retcon. either they become "shepard sexual" which is lazy and bad writing. or they were hiding that they were bi all along for no apparent reason and suddenly "come out" which is lazy and bad writing.

i just want things to be well done, using established characters for such would make more people unhappy than people happy.

so yeah. leave established characters alone and a vast majority of both sides are happy.

[PlumPaul93]

LordJeyl wrote...If we are to take you're "minority" argument into account, then realism waved "bye-bye" to Mass Effect the moment a player decides to play as a female Shepard. Since a lot of community members and official Bioware staff are happy to point out that more than half of Mass Effect gamers play as a Male Shepard, than the players who play as a Female Shepard are in the minority. So for all intents and purposes, playing a female Shepard in Mass Effect takes away the realism of the game. That doesn't make any sense, but thank god we can still play as Female Shepard. 

I think using "minority" as a means to back up your "realism" argument doesn't have any weight when we're talking about a game that's about as unrealistic as any scifi story out there.

Okay then shepard can be a women that isn't unrealistic and I've heard there are greatly more male players than female players so that I guess would fit into the realisim aspect. Also the difference with my argument and the other argument is it's a lot more possible that shepard is a women than it is that multiple companions are gay or bi. Also two different things so IDK why you'd try to compare them.

[PlumPaul93]

Clonedzero wrote...

i just dont want them to mess with established characters, thats my only issue with it.

and i dont want to have people go "well they never said they were straight" crap, cus thats a straight up retcon. either they become "shepard sexual" which is lazy and bad writing. or they were hiding that they were bi all along for no apparent reason and suddenly "come out" which is lazy and bad writing.

i just want things to be well done, using established characters for such would make more people unhappy than people happy.

so yeah. leave established characters alone and a vast majority of both sides are happy.

cloned I agree with everything you said and my feelings are basically the same. Nicely put.

[Stardusk78]

Neria Rose wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

Source, please, or your comment about it being 'rare' counts for nought.

It takes under 1 minute in google to find it out, but if you are lazy try wiki.

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Bisexuality

Hahaha, Wiki? Please tell me you're not serious. Kindly provide primary literature that supports your claims (and that does not mean some religious paper based on faith instead of science).

[LordJeyl]

Clonedzero wrote...
i just dont want them to mess with established characters, thats my only issue with it.

If you don't want them to mess with the characters, that's easy. Don't be gay towards them. They're not forcing you to accept anything, other than the fact that you have a choice in how things play out. I fail to see why you have issues with his.

[CroGamer002]

Stardusk78 wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

Source, please, or your comment about it being 'rare' counts for nought.

It takes under 1 minute in google to find it out, but if you are lazy try wiki.

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Bisexuality

Hahaha, Wiki? Please tell me you're not serious. Kindly provide primary literature that supports your claims (and that does not mean some religious paper based on faith instead of science).

I see 2 hot chicks kissing.


Thank you?

[LordJeyl]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...
the difference with my argument and the other argument is it's a lot more possible that shepard is a women than it is that multiple companions are gay or bi. Also two different things so IDK why you'd try to compare them.

I would say my minority argument makes more sense than your gay/bi minority because the "realism" quote about gay/bi people being in the minority is limited to today's times. We don't know what the future will hold, so how does realism come into play on something that's both science fiction and set in the future?

[ElitePinecone]

Don't post provocative pictures, please.

Clonedzero: I'm inclined to agree with you. But you're categorising something as "lazy and bad writing" when you haven't even seen it yet. Why not wait and see what Bioware does? Or at the very least give them the benefit of the doubt that whatever they produce will be well written.

[DieHigh2012]

leonia42 wrote...

Raiders Fan 223 wrote...

Hopefully never. Its a stupid idea that only a small part of the OVERALL fanbase wants. I know there is a large amount of support for it on the forums, but turning male shep gay would be absolutely idiotic. Hope Bioware doesn't cave

This is why we can't have nice things.

It's been said plenty of times before but I'll say it again: ManShep doesn't have a canon sexuality. It is never stated. It could be argued that FemShep can "declare" her sexuality when she has the option to tell Liara whether she likes women or not but when it comes to ManShep things are certainly not set in stone.

How can you possibly know that only a minority want the OPTION? That's right, an OPTION you can choose to ignore that will not have any impact whatsoever on your straight ManShep.

Tolerance would go a long way towards solving this issue, not burying our heads in the sand and hoping it goes away.

It's not some conspiracy to keep gay/bi characters out of our BioWare games. I (from a story perspective) simply want characters to be well defined and secure in thier sexuality, reguardless of the whims of Shep. It realy hurt imersion for me in DA2 knowing that guys and gals who acted straight could easly be turned gay/bi by afew flirty words from my Hawke. That is not good story telling, it'e a lazy atempt to make a small portion of the gameing population happy by allowing them to screw anyone they wanted.

If there is to be true advadvancement on the subject to gay sexuality in video games I think Boiware are the ones to acomplish it. But they can't do it if they take the DA2 road, because everyone being Bi is just plain ridiculous. Give us well defind characters with their own motivations and desires. That is good story telling, while the "everyone is bi hook up with who you want" is simply a cheap shortcut.

[RobsanX]

As long as Conrad Verner is on board, I'll be happy...

[rolson00]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Within a few days, at the very latest.

Last I heard there would be a thread set up for discussion coinciding with the release of some more information.

You can appreciate that it tends to get out of hand very quickly. There's not much point in 10 pages of speculation without any new information.

i thought the ban was coz they were going to be telling us a lttile on the romance instead we got combate crap

[CroGamer002]

Teknor wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

Ashley is too umm ehhh.......religious in her views to be that kinda girl, Tali I am a little iffy and Garrus going homosexual = HELL NO!

Why not ? If he can commit to xenophilia he can mix it up with good old sodomy.

I don't remember any religion banning xenophilia.

[Clonedzero]

LordJeyl wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...
i just dont want them to mess with established characters, thats my only issue with it.

If you don't want them to mess with the characters, that's easy. Don't be gay towards them. They're not forcing you to accept anything, other than the fact that you have a choice in how things play out. I fail to see why you have issues with his.

because it would become part of the character. they're already established. why force them to be bi now? makes absolutely no sense. what is wrong with me wanting the continuality of established characters to remain consistant?

why not have a solution where everyone is happy instead of forcing everyone to be bi? thats kinda ridiculous dont you think?

[PlumPaul93]

LordJeyl wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...
the difference with my argument and the other argument is it's a lot more possible that shepard is a women than it is that multiple companions are gay or bi. Also two different things so IDK why you'd try to compare them.

I would say my minority argument makes more sense than your gay/bi minority because the "realism" quote about gay/bi people being in the minority is limited to today's times. We don't know what the future will hold, so how does realism come into play on something that's both science fiction and set in the future?

smh. All we have got to go on is the past 2 games. From what we've seen the future in regards to sexuality seems to be the same although aliens are involved now. PS your argument made no since and wasn't relevent to the conversation. If you really believe it's more likely that multiple characters are gay/bi than shepard could be female then .

Modifié par PlumPaul82393, 13 juin 2011 - 12:52 .