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[MACharlie1]

DieHigh2012 wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

DieHigh2012 wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

DieHigh2012 wrote...

It's not some conspiracy to keep gay/bi characters out of our BioWare games. I (from a story perspective) simply want characters to be well defined and secure in thier sexuality, reguardless of the whims of Shep. It realy hurt imersion for me in DA2 knowing that guys and gals who acted straight could easly be turned gay/bi by afew flirty words from my Hawke. That is not good story telling, it'e a lazy atempt to make a small portion of the gameing population happy by allowing them to screw anyone they wanted.

If there is to be true advadvancement on the subject to gay sexuality in video games I think Boiware are the ones to acomplish it. But they can't do it if they take the DA2 road, because everyone being Bi is just plain ridiculous. Give us well defind characters with their own motivations and desires. That is good story telling, while the "everyone is bi hook up with who you want" is simply a cheap shortcut.

I didn't realize that gay/bi people only acted one way while straight people only behaved in some other way.

Really? so straight men and straight women act exactly the same? Please this argument is used and on the surface it looks like it holds truth, when in fact it's completly lacking in the truth department. The truth is our desires are core to our personality. Yes that includes what type of person we are attracted to....

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. So.. your previous statement about people 'acting straight'.. you mean, straight men and straight women act differently from each other while gay people all act the same? Or that no gay people 'act' like straight people? How do straight people behave as opposed to gay people, anyway?

Well for starters they flirt with the same sex, something straight people do not do...

Are you really to dense to comprehend the point I'm making?

What are you using to backup this argument since I'm pretty familiar with quite a number of people who will flirt with you regardless including myself. And that's not a personality trait - how they go about flirting and how much of it they do is personality. Flirting is too general since I would say everyone does a fair amount of playful flirting with one another. 

[Lumikki]

SilentNukee wrote...

Erm, there are scientific studies on the matter, and NO ONE is 100% straight or 100% gay. We all fall somewhere in between.

Yeah, I think that also, even without any study, so I believe you . Most of things aren't black and white.

Again I ask, why the hate? I mean, does having sexual relations with an entire different specie make it better than homosexuality just because it's a male and a female? In the real world, I would say you're out of your mind. In ME, everyone should have the ability to choose.

What hate?

You mean the bisexsual or that I don't want any romance or sex in ME3?

I don't want sex or romance in ME serie because that's not the point of the game, it's distraction what ME serie is all about. I consider it waste of Biowared development time. Point been simulation of adult sex-life isn't really what ME is about. Wrong game. If SIMS would have adult version, there it would fit  very well.

As for Bisexsual. In the game I don't like how every damm companion is hiting me and it's not even gender related. I have to be carefull what to choose in dialogs.

Example what bothers me more is that you people ask sex with everyone, but you never ask that companions can have relations between them self and not with you characters. What means you are not consider anything else than you own needs, when I consider more about the impression of game world, than my needs.

Modifié par Lumikki, 13 juin 2011 - 01:19 .

[Stardusk78]

Many gay men in real life have an effeminate, nasal voice. That does not fit Shepard.

[Neria Rose]

DieHigh2012 wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

DieHigh2012 wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

DieHigh2012 wrote...

It's not some conspiracy to keep gay/bi characters out of our BioWare games. I (from a story perspective) simply want characters to be well defined and secure in thier sexuality, reguardless of the whims of Shep. It realy hurt imersion for me in DA2 knowing that guys and gals who acted straight could easly be turned gay/bi by afew flirty words from my Hawke. That is not good story telling, it'e a lazy atempt to make a small portion of the gameing population happy by allowing them to screw anyone they wanted.

If there is to be true advadvancement on the subject to gay sexuality in video games I think Boiware are the ones to acomplish it. But they can't do it if they take the DA2 road, because everyone being Bi is just plain ridiculous. Give us well defind characters with their own motivations and desires. That is good story telling, while the "everyone is bi hook up with who you want" is simply a cheap shortcut.

I didn't realize that gay/bi people only acted one way while straight people only behaved in some other way.

Really? so straight men and straight women act exactly the same? Please this argument is used and on the surface it looks like it holds truth, when in fact it's completly lacking in the truth department. The truth is our desires are core to our personality. Yes that includes what type of person we are attracted to....

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. So.. your previous statement about people 'acting straight'.. you mean, straight men and straight women act differently from each other while gay people all act the same? Or that no gay people 'act' like straight people? How do straight people behave as opposed to gay people, anyway?

Well for starters they flirt with the same sex, something straight people do not do...

Are you really to dense to comprehend the point I'm making?

Yep, dense as all get out over here. Please, spell it out for simple ol' me. Please tell me exactly how all gay people behave.

[Leonia]

Stardusk78 wrote...

Many gay men in real life have an effeminate, nasal voice. That does not fit Shepard.

Every single post of yours in this thread has been absolutely irrelevant to the subject matter and borders on homophobia. You should probably think before you submit them unless you want to look like a narrowminded, delusional type.

[Rinji the Bearded]

leonia42 wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

Many gay men in real life have an effeminate, nasal voice. That does not fit Shepard.

Every single post of yours in this thread has been absolutely irrelevant to the subject matter and borders on homophobia. You should probably think before you submit them unless you want to look like a narrowminded, delusional type.

Obvious troll is pretty obvious, albeit awful.

[Stardusk78]

Neria Rose wrote...

DieHigh2012 wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

DieHigh2012 wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

DieHigh2012 wrote...

It's not some conspiracy to keep gay/bi characters out of our BioWare games. I (from a story perspective) simply want characters to be well defined and secure in thier sexuality, reguardless of the whims of Shep. It realy hurt imersion for me in DA2 knowing that guys and gals who acted straight could easly be turned gay/bi by afew flirty words from my Hawke. That is not good story telling, it'e a lazy atempt to make a small portion of the gameing population happy by allowing them to screw anyone they wanted.

If there is to be true advadvancement on the subject to gay sexuality in video games I think Boiware are the ones to acomplish it. But they can't do it if they take the DA2 road, because everyone being Bi is just plain ridiculous. Give us well defind characters with their own motivations and desires. That is good story telling, while the "everyone is bi hook up with who you want" is simply a cheap shortcut.

I didn't realize that gay/bi people only acted one way while straight people only behaved in some other way.

Really? so straight men and straight women act exactly the same? Please this argument is used and on the surface it looks like it holds truth, when in fact it's completly lacking in the truth department. The truth is our desires are core to our personality. Yes that includes what type of person we are attracted to....

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. So.. your previous statement about people 'acting straight'.. you mean, straight men and straight women act differently from each other while gay people all act the same? Or that no gay people 'act' like straight people? How do straight people behave as opposed to gay people, anyway?

Well for starters they flirt with the same sex, something straight people do not do...

Are you really to dense to comprehend the point I'm making?

Yep, dense as all get out over here. Please, spell it out for simple ol' me. Please tell me exactly how all gay people behave.

There are definite tendencies in the gay male population for effeminate, 'flame queen' behaviour, a near unversal hyperbolically nasal voice and a certain strut. Most straight males do not have this. Shepard does not have this.

[ElitePinecone]

Stardusk78 wrote...

Many gay men in real life have an effeminate, nasal voice. That does not fit Shepard.

Respectfully, this is a stereotype. A very unfortunate one. 

Shepard - both male and female - will have same-sex romance opportunities in ME3. Whether that fits the character is a matter of opinion. The option will be there for those who wish to pursue it.

I can't emphasise this enough.

Optional options are optional. 

If you don't choose the S/S romances, your Shepard won't be gay. 

[DieHigh2012]

MACharlie1 wrote...

DieHigh2012 wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

DieHigh2012 wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

DieHigh2012 wrote...

It's not some conspiracy to keep gay/bi characters out of our BioWare games. I (from a story perspective) simply want characters to be well defined and secure in thier sexuality, reguardless of the whims of Shep. It realy hurt imersion for me in DA2 knowing that guys and gals who acted straight could easly be turned gay/bi by afew flirty words from my Hawke. That is not good story telling, it'e a lazy atempt to make a small portion of the gameing population happy by allowing them to screw anyone they wanted.

If there is to be true advadvancement on the subject to gay sexuality in video games I think Boiware are the ones to acomplish it. But they can't do it if they take the DA2 road, because everyone being Bi is just plain ridiculous. Give us well defind characters with their own motivations and desires. That is good story telling, while the "everyone is bi hook up with who you want" is simply a cheap shortcut.

I didn't realize that gay/bi people only acted one way while straight people only behaved in some other way.

Really? so straight men and straight women act exactly the same? Please this argument is used and on the surface it looks like it holds truth, when in fact it's completly lacking in the truth department. The truth is our desires are core to our personality. Yes that includes what type of person we are attracted to....

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. So.. your previous statement about people 'acting straight'.. you mean, straight men and straight women act differently from each other while gay people all act the same? Or that no gay people 'act' like straight people? How do straight people behave as opposed to gay people, anyway?

Well for starters they flirt with the same sex, something straight people do not do...

Are you really to dense to comprehend the point I'm making?

What are you using to backup this argument since I'm pretty familiar with quite a number of people who will flirt with you regardless including myself. And that's not a personality trait - how they go about flirting and how much of it they do is personality. Flirting is too general since I would say everyone does a fair amount of playful flirting with one another. 

I am speaking form a story telling perspective on this, and I'm not wrong.

Why eles would you be trying to divert the issue by way of a straw man argument?

Modifié par DieHigh2012, 13 juin 2011 - 01:23 .

[MACharlie1]

DieHigh2012 wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

DieHigh2012 wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

DieHigh2012 wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

DieHigh2012 wrote...

It's not some conspiracy to keep gay/bi characters out of our BioWare games. I (from a story perspective) simply want characters to be well defined and secure in thier sexuality, reguardless of the whims of Shep. It realy hurt imersion for me in DA2 knowing that guys and gals who acted straight could easly be turned gay/bi by afew flirty words from my Hawke. That is not good story telling, it'e a lazy atempt to make a small portion of the gameing population happy by allowing them to screw anyone they wanted.

If there is to be true advadvancement on the subject to gay sexuality in video games I think Boiware are the ones to acomplish it. But they can't do it if they take the DA2 road, because everyone being Bi is just plain ridiculous. Give us well defind characters with their own motivations and desires. That is good story telling, while the "everyone is bi hook up with who you want" is simply a cheap shortcut.

I didn't realize that gay/bi people only acted one way while straight people only behaved in some other way.

Really? so straight men and straight women act exactly the same? Please this argument is used and on the surface it looks like it holds truth, when in fact it's completly lacking in the truth department. The truth is our desires are core to our personality. Yes that includes what type of person we are attracted to....

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. So.. your previous statement about people 'acting straight'.. you mean, straight men and straight women act differently from each other while gay people all act the same? Or that no gay people 'act' like straight people? How do straight people behave as opposed to gay people, anyway?

Well for starters they flirt with the same sex, something straight people do not do...

Are you really to dense to comprehend the point I'm making?

What are you using to backup this argument since I'm pretty familiar with quite a number of people who will flirt with you regardless including myself. And that's not a personality trait - how they go about flirting and how much of it they do is personality. Flirting is too general since I would say everyone does a fair amount of playful flirting with one another. 

I am speaking form a story telling perspective on this, and I'm not wrong.

Why eles would you be trying to divert the issue by way of a straw man argument?

A story telling perspective? What the hell does that even mean in this context? 

[PlumPaul93]

Those who keep responding to stardusk are really gullable we should all know the point behind his posts. Also it's gonna be funny when this thread gets closed.

Modifié par PlumPaul82393, 13 juin 2011 - 01:25 .

[jbblue05]

Bioware please don't butcher your amazing characters just to appease the ****** crowd.

If anyone should be gay its

Liara- given 
Tali- Wants to link enviro-suits with both fem and male shep
Garrus- he doesn't find femshep attractive at all he only sleeps with her because she begs for it and he respects her
Kaidan-  I always thought he was bi-curious
Jack- If a squaddie makes sense because she's been with women

Pleas DO NOT make Ash bi, their is no reason why she all of a sudden wants women.  From what we know of Ash she idolizes strong male figures and desires the attention and respect of powerful male figures.

[Ianamus]

It's funny that all threads about when we can discuss this topic/why we can't discuss this topic end up being perfect examples of why Bioware won't let us discuss this topic.

[Leonia]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Those who keep responding to stardusk are really gullable we should all know the point behind his posts. Also it's gonna be funny when this thread gets closed.

Thread will get locked but not because of the troll alone.

[DieHigh2012]

Neria Rose wrote...

DieHigh2012 wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

DieHigh2012 wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

DieHigh2012 wrote...

It's not some conspiracy to keep gay/bi characters out of our BioWare games. I (from a story perspective) simply want characters to be well defined and secure in thier sexuality, reguardless of the whims of Shep. It realy hurt imersion for me in DA2 knowing that guys and gals who acted straight could easly be turned gay/bi by afew flirty words from my Hawke. That is not good story telling, it'e a lazy atempt to make a small portion of the gameing population happy by allowing them to screw anyone they wanted.

If there is to be true advadvancement on the subject to gay sexuality in video games I think Boiware are the ones to acomplish it. But they can't do it if they take the DA2 road, because everyone being Bi is just plain ridiculous. Give us well defind characters with their own motivations and desires. That is good story telling, while the "everyone is bi hook up with who you want" is simply a cheap shortcut.

I didn't realize that gay/bi people only acted one way while straight people only behaved in some other way.

Really? so straight men and straight women act exactly the same? Please this argument is used and on the surface it looks like it holds truth, when in fact it's completly lacking in the truth department. The truth is our desires are core to our personality. Yes that includes what type of person we are attracted to....

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. So.. your previous statement about people 'acting straight'.. you mean, straight men and straight women act differently from each other while gay people all act the same? Or that no gay people 'act' like straight people? How do straight people behave as opposed to gay people, anyway?

Well for starters they flirt with the same sex, something straight people do not do...

Are you really to dense to comprehend the point I'm making?

Yep, dense as all get out over here. Please, spell it out for simple ol' me. Please tell me exactly how all gay people behave.

My point already has been made clear, so little ol' you need to go back and read what I have already posted.

I love how most who argue with me about this use Straw man tactics.

Modifié par DieHigh2012, 13 juin 2011 - 01:29 .

[ElitePinecone]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Those who keep responding to stardusk are really gullable we should all know the point behind his posts. Also it's gonna be funny when this thread gets closed.

It'll be disappointing, not funny. People can't debate this reasonably. Clonedzero et al are doing a great job of arguing rationally, and we can compromise on a lot of things.

But "HURR DERR Shepard's not a pansy" isn't an argument. It's barely coherent. 

[Rinji the Bearded]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Those who keep responding to stardusk are really gullable we should all know the point behind his posts. Also it's gonna be funny when this thread gets closed.

Not so much funny as expected.

And I totally hear male Shepard as flamboyant, just saying.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 13 juin 2011 - 01:29 .

[Raygereio]

EJ107 wrote...
It's funny that all threads about when we can discuss this topic/why we can't discuss this topic end up being perfect examples of why Bioware won't let us discuss this topic.

All in all, I do have to commend all posters involved. I was fully expecting this thread to go down ugly in flames 4 pages ago.
This has remained almost civil. It's rather disconcerting really.

[Neria Rose]

DieHigh2012 wrote...

It already has been, so little ol' you need to go back and read what I have already posted.

I love most who argue with me about this use Straw man tactics.

No it hasn't. Seriously, please type out right here how gay people behave as opposed to straight people. I'm awfully curious. You said 'for starters', that implies you have some other examples of behavior besides flirting.

Modifié par Neria Rose, 13 juin 2011 - 01:32 .

[PlumPaul93]

ElitePinecone wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Those who keep responding to stardusk are really gullable we should all know the point behind his posts. Also it's gonna be funny when this thread gets closed.

It'll be disappointing, not funny. People can't debate this reasonably. Clonedzero et al are doing a great job of arguing rationally, and we can compromise on a lot of things.

But "HURR DERR Shepard's not a pansy" isn't an argument. It's barely coherent. 

ClonedZero really words it well and what he says is basically my viewpoint as well. But it's morning and people are going to get up and this will probably get ridiculous with arguing soon enough.

[DieHigh2012]

MACharlie1 wrote...

DieHigh2012 wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

DieHigh2012 wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

DieHigh2012 wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

DieHigh2012 wrote...

It's not some conspiracy to keep gay/bi characters out of our BioWare games. I (from a story perspective) simply want characters to be well defined and secure in thier sexuality, reguardless of the whims of Shep. It realy hurt imersion for me in DA2 knowing that guys and gals who acted straight could easly be turned gay/bi by afew flirty words from my Hawke. That is not good story telling, it'e a lazy atempt to make a small portion of the gameing population happy by allowing them to screw anyone they wanted.

If there is to be true advadvancement on the subject to gay sexuality in video games I think Boiware are the ones to acomplish it. But they can't do it if they take the DA2 road, because everyone being Bi is just plain ridiculous. Give us well defind characters with their own motivations and desires. That is good story telling, while the "everyone is bi hook up with who you want" is simply a cheap shortcut.

I didn't realize that gay/bi people only acted one way while straight people only behaved in some other way.

Really? so straight men and straight women act exactly the same? Please this argument is used and on the surface it looks like it holds truth, when in fact it's completly lacking in the truth department. The truth is our desires are core to our personality. Yes that includes what type of person we are attracted to....

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. So.. your previous statement about people 'acting straight'.. you mean, straight men and straight women act differently from each other while gay people all act the same? Or that no gay people 'act' like straight people? How do straight people behave as opposed to gay people, anyway?

Well for starters they flirt with the same sex, something straight people do not do...

Are you really to dense to comprehend the point I'm making?

What are you using to backup this argument since I'm pretty familiar with quite a number of people who will flirt with you regardless including myself. And that's not a personality trait - how they go about flirting and how much of it they do is personality. Flirting is too general since I would say everyone does a fair amount of playful flirting with one another. 

I am speaking form a story telling perspective on this, and I'm not wrong.

Why eles would you be trying to divert the issue by way of a straw man argument?

A story telling perspective? What the hell does that even mean in this context? 

Character development suffers when a charcater is left undefined.