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[Stardusk78]

leonia42 wrote...

Collider wrote...

Come on, I can't be the only one who sees the obvious troll in this thread.

Hint: There's more than one.

So you would claim that male gay behaviour is no different to male heterosexual behaviour and calling me a troll is a nice way to avoid the reality of the question.

[Rinji the Bearded]

NTsikuris wrote...

So, I recently read somewhere, can't remember where, that there would FINALLY be same-sex romance in ME3. I think Casey Hudson mentioned this, if not please correct me.

If this is true, would this mean that Kaidan and Ashley could be romanced by the same sex? I mean, you've been with them (which ever survived Virmire) since the beginning. It would make some sense for there be some kind of attraction between them and Shepard.

I've always imagined it, but I'm not getting my hopes up.  It's only a nice dream...

[Collider]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

Collider wrote...

Come on, I can't be the only one who sees the obvious troll in this thread.

wait, which one? lol

I'm so confused. 

It's like a hall of mirrors, except the mirrors are trolls. 

[NTsikuris]

Well I read on the Wiki that there would be less squad memebers this time around to ensure deeper relationships. So I WILL keep my hopes up. I'm already replaying ME1 and ME2 as a male character and saving Kaidan in the hopes of romancing him in ME3! HAHAHAHA

[Leonia]

NTsikuris wrote...

So, I recently read somewhere, can't remember where, that there would FINALLY be same-sex romance in ME3. I think Casey Hudson mentioned this, if not please correct me.

If this is true, would this mean that Kaidan and Ashley could be romanced by the same sex? I mean, you've been with them (which ever survived Virmire) since the beginning. It would make some sense for there be some kind of attraction between them and Shepard.

We don't know for sure if current LIs will be "rewritten" (I really hate using that term, especially since Kaidan and Ash were originally written as bi) but yes it is true there will be s/s opportunities for both genders in ME3. The debate of who will be the s/s options is what has triggered this thread and is the ONLY thing this thread is about (though some want to believe it's a soapbox to discuss what is and what isn't homosexual behaviour but they would be off-topic) and given that we do not have enough information to discuss this matter fully, these sorts of threads have become a rarity until such a time that we have more solid data to work with.

[CuseGirl]

That's the whole problem with the people on the forum; it's all about, I am gay, so Shepard should be gay too. Not how it works...if the whole gay forum had its way, there would only be male crew members in ME...

It's not about "making Shepard gay" or "making Garrus gay, EWW, I'll die if that happens on someone elses console!", it's simply having the option there. It think it's interesting that you're able to "pursue" a squadmate in ME-2, but I could only pursue Miranda with MaleShep, so I made a MaleShep. I actually prefer his armor and hair (to be honest) but it would have been interesting if I could be FemShep and still pursue Miranda. It's not like my gamesave will somehow effect your game save. Maybe Garrus is gay in my game, but not yours. Good for you.

[Rinji the Bearded]

NTsikuris wrote...

Well I read on the Wiki that there would be less squad memebers this time around to ensure deeper relationships. So I WILL keep my hopes up. I'm already replaying ME1 and ME2 as a male character and saving Kaidan in the hopes of romancing him in ME3! HAHAHAHA

I am a full supporter of a loney male Shepard in ME1 and ME2.  It is totally worth it -- you totally read into his loneliness during LotSB.  I also kept Kaidan alive... wishful thinking on my part.   Ha.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 13 juin 2011 - 02:00 .

[NTsikuris]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

NTsikuris wrote...

So, I recently read somewhere, can't remember where, that there would FINALLY be same-sex romance in ME3. I think Casey Hudson mentioned this, if not please correct me.

If this is true, would this mean that Kaidan and Ashley could be romanced by the same sex? I mean, you've been with them (which ever survived Virmire) since the beginning. It would make some sense for there be some kind of attraction between them and Shepard.

sorry I was rude in your thread btw.

It's alright. I didn't know there were other threads about this topic.

[DieHigh2012]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

DieHigh2012 wrote...This discusion is not about Shep, I have no idea where ya'll got that from...

Shep is defind by you, the player. NPC's are the one's that the writers must breath personality into.

DieHigh I'd avoid topics like these as best as I could if I were you. These discussions usually lead to confusion or fights where people question something you say without giving a compromise that helps both sides. Usually why these threads get locked.

I know, but I just can't help it. I think that video games have the potential to tackle any issue we can think of, but the DA2 system is no the way to show gay/bi characters.

Making every LI bi means it loses any impact it could have had. I just hate to see missed opportunities, on subject matter that could be much more meaningful

[Collider]

We don't know for sure if current LIs will be "rewritten" (I really hate using that term, especially since Kaidan and Ash were originally written as bi)

According to Patrick Weekes', that does not seem to be correct.
Weeks said that the lines were recorded (which is not indicative of anything besides being recorded) but they decided not to implement them as they didn't do justice to the characters.
There's no real evidence that Kaidan and Ashley were ever intended to be bisexual.

[SilentK]

Aww no.... not again.... poor little tread.

But you can always start afresh. What is it that makes a s/s - relationship fun for you? I always play FemShep so I have romanced Liara. Yes, I know that perhaps doesn't count as a s/s- relationship but it feels that way for me. I like it because that gives me the opportunity to romance my sweethearts like Liara and Merrill in DA2 which I otherwise couldn't do because I just don't connect with MaleShep. It offers me the opportunity to get to know a interesting char better, and that is something that makes my replays fun.

In ME3 I'm hoping for Joker as a LI for my FemShep, have friends who aren't on the forum who really wants to romance him with their MaleSheps so I hope for him as a s/s-relationship. But I personally would only see that from FemSheps point of view.

Modifié par SilentK, 13 juin 2011 - 02:01 .

[Neria Rose]

DieHigh2012 wrote...

Straw man is Straw man

Mmm, you don't seem to understand what that means. *shrugs* Sorry you are unable to defend your position.

[Volus Warlord]

Yeah, this topic gets people fired up...

Bioware doesn't like it because the sociopolitical nature of the topic and the concept of such discussion cutting into their sales.

[ElitePinecone]

Okay, people are waking up on the other side of the world and I need to sleep on mine.

Play nice, people. Here's hoping we have some more information soon.

Lest we have eight months of this.

[Leonia]

DieHigh2012 wrote...

I know, but I just can't help it. I think that video games have the potential to tackle any issue we can think of, but the DA2 system is no the way to show gay/bi characters.

Making every LI bi means it loses any impact it could have had. I just hate to see missed opportunities, on subject matter that could be much more meaningful

We don't know that ME3 will approach this the same way as DA2 did. Some NPCs have not expressed their sexual tendencies. Some of our current squad-mates very well could be bi (heck, Jack admits that she is and she's still not romanceable by FemShep). Some were originally written to be bi and though they make comments about men or women here or there, they never definitively say "Hey Shep, I'm straight". This vagueness keeps the door open on the current LIs but we know that there might be new LIs as well with new squad-mates so for all we know NONE of the original cast will be "turned" bi and only the new team-mates will have s/s romance arcs. We simply can't jump to conclusions at this point.

[DieHigh2012]

Neria Rose wrote...

DieHigh2012 wrote...

Straw man is Straw man

Mmm, you don't seem to understand what that means. *shrugs* Sorry you are unable to defend your position.

You are trying to to divert the discussion to something that seems relevant to it, yet it really is not.

Straw man

[Collider]

I don't think Jack admits that she's bisexual.
It's implied that she may have had history with women (specifically, the couple who manipulated her), but that's not the same as being attracted to them. Someone like Jack is going to experiment. Many young people do, and later find out that they're not bisexual.

[Leonia]

Collider wrote...

I don't think Jack admits that she's bisexual.
It's implied that she may have had history with women (specifically, the couple who manipulated her), but that's not the same as being attracted to them. Someone like Jack is going to experiment. Many young people do, and later find out that they're not bisexual.

Fair enough and it's a poor example to use. But the sexual preference of most squad-mates is fairly unknown unless Shepard is pursuing romance with them (obviously there aren't any proper same-sex options so it's hard to tell who is actually attracted to the same sex since such conversation cannot come up).

[DieHigh2012]

leonia42 wrote...

DieHigh2012 wrote...

I know, but I just can't help it. I think that video games have the potential to tackle any issue we can think of, but the DA2 system is no the way to show gay/bi characters.

Making every LI bi means it loses any impact it could have had. I just hate to see missed opportunities, on subject matter that could be much more meaningful

We don't know that ME3 will approach this the same way as DA2 did. Some NPCs have not expressed their sexual tendencies. Some of our current squad-mates very well could be bi (heck, Jack admits that she is and she's still not romanceable by FemShep). Some were originally written to be bi and though they make comments about men or women here or there, they never definitively say "Hey Shep, I'm straight". This vagueness keeps the door open on the current LIs but we know that there might be new LIs as well with new squad-mates so for all we know NONE of the original cast will be "turned" bi and only the new team-mates will have s/s romance arcs. We simply can't jump to conclusions at this point.

It's not that (though the pic's of Ash we have seen do have me worried they changed her character quite a bit). It doesnt matter if they are gay straight or in between, but don't cop out and hurt character idententy by trying to make everyone happy.

[Collider]

Fair enough and it's a poor example to use. But the sexual preference of most squad-mates is fairly unknown unless Shepard is pursuing romance with them (obviously there aren't any proper same-sex options so it's hard to tell who is actually attracted to the same sex since such conversation cannot come up).

Couldn't say I'm surprised at that. Party members suddenly outlining their orientation to Shepard would be odd and likely tacky. And Bioware has a habit of not allowing player characters to flirt with characters who aren't receptive in some way, and there has never been a case where the player character can flirt with someone who isn't interested in their gender. So in that regard, since there are no exceptions anyway, the argument that no one has announced their orientation can only go so far.

[Kappa Neko]

CuseGirl wrote...

That's the whole problem with the people on the forum; it's all about, I am gay, so Shepard should be gay too. Not how it works...if the whole gay forum had its way, there would only be male crew members in ME...

It's not about "making Shepard gay" or "making Garrus gay, EWW, I'll die if that happens on someone elses console!", it's simply having the option there. It think it's interesting that you're able to "pursue" a squadmate in ME-2, but I could only pursue Miranda with MaleShep, so I made a MaleShep. I actually prefer his armor and hair (to be honest) but it would have been interesting if I could be FemShep and still pursue Miranda. It's not like my gamesave will somehow effect your game save. Maybe Garrus is gay in my game, but not yours. Good for you.

This.
I've never understood why people make such a big deal out of possible s/s romances. It's really optional. Promise!
I support s/s romances because it adds romance options. I didn't pursue a s/s romance in DAO, but I like having this freedom should I ever decide I wanted a gay Warden.
It doesn't matter how many people will actually choose a gay romance. I applaud BW for simply offering it. How come everybody is fine with the Garrus romance, which only made it into ME2 because fans requested it, but demands from the gay community are rediculous?! If you don't like alien sex, don't choose it. If you don't want gay sex, don't chose it *exasperated*
People here talk as if they are being forced to play a gay Shepard.
Unless male Shepard starts coming on to a male squaddie the way femShep did with Jacob (I still need brain bleech for that), I really don't see the problem at all.
I'm fine with the all bi romances in DA2. What I didn't like at all was the sex talk the second they joined the team. But that has nothing to do with gay or straight. It's terrible writing, as were at least half the ME2 romances....

[Leonia]

Collider wrote...

Fair enough and it's a poor example to use. But the sexual preference of most squad-mates is fairly unknown unless Shepard is pursuing romance with them (obviously there aren't any proper same-sex options so it's hard to tell who is actually attracted to the same sex since such conversation cannot come up).

Couldn't say I'm surprised at that. Party members suddenly outlining their orientation to Shepard would be odd and likely tacky. And Bioware has a habit of not allowing player characters to flirt with characters who aren't receptive in some way, and there has never been a case where the player character can flirt with someone who isn't interested in their gender. So in that regard, since there are no exceptions anyway, the argument that no one has announced their orientation can only go so far.

Indeed, it's never been an argument with much weight but it gives hope to those who want to romance certain characters. Eventually we'll get an answer one way or the other and the forums will go up in flames either way the devs choose to play things.

[Neria Rose]

DieHigh2012 wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

DieHigh2012 wrote...

Straw man is Straw man

Mmm, you don't seem to understand what that means. *shrugs* Sorry you are unable to defend your position.

You are trying to to divert the discussion to something that seems relevant to it, yet it really is not.

Straw man

Were that my attempt and were I using it to claim that your original position (being opposed to all characters being turned bisexual) is invalid, then perhaps a straw man. But I could care less how you feel about whether or not previous characters' (undefined) sexualities are changed and given that opinions are not facts, regardless of whether I agree with them, I'm not sure they can technically be 'invalid' anyway. I just can't stand it when people say 'all of these kinds of people act like this and those kinds of people act like that'.

Edit: Come to think of it, you could have avoided the entire thing by simply stating 'what I perceive to be straight/gay behavior.'

Modifié par Neria Rose, 13 juin 2011 - 02:28 .

[DieHigh2012]

Neria Rose wrote...

DieHigh2012 wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

DieHigh2012 wrote...

Straw man is Straw man

Mmm, you don't seem to understand what that means. *shrugs* Sorry you are unable to defend your position.

You are trying to to divert the discussion to something that seems relevant to it, yet it really is not.

Straw man

Were that my attempt and were I using it to claim that your original position (being opposed to all characters being turned bisexual) is invalid, then perhaps a straw man. But I could care less how you feel about whether or not previous characters' (undefined) sexualities are changed and given that opinions are not facts, regardless of whether I agree with them, I'm not sure they can technically be 'invalid' anyway. I just can't stand it when people say 'all of these kinds of people act like this and those kinds of people act like that'.

Groups of people are put into groups because they have more in common with eachother than anyone eles. This includes behavior, dress, thought prosses ect. While that doesnt mean that everyone in that group is exaclty the same, the radically different are the exeption not the rule.

And yes man you decided to take a very small part of what I said take it out of context and only focus on that. Missing the whole point of what I actually was talking about. Then tryed to change the overall discusion talking about something that looked related but really wasn't.

Modifié par DieHigh2012, 13 juin 2011 - 02:39 .