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[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Nah I don't want DA2 in the space. Unreal and loaded with deviants rather heroes.
And I know if Bioware does it it will be their last good-selling game. Bioware will lose many of its fans.

[CuseGirl]

This.
I've never understood why people make such a big deal out of possible s/s romances. It's really optional. Promise!
I support s/s romances because it adds romance options. I didn't pursue a s/s romance in DAO, but I like having this freedom should I ever decide I wanted a gay Warden.
It doesn't matter how many people will actually choose a gay romance. I applaud BW for simply offering it. How come everybody is fine with the Garrus romance, which only made it into ME2 because fans requested it, but demands from the gay community are rediculous?! If you don't like alien sex, don't choose it. If you don't want gay sex, don't chose it *exasperated*
People here talk as if they are being forced to play a gay Shepard.
Unless male Shepard starts coming on to a male squaddie the way femShep did with Jacob (I still need brain bleech for that), I really don't see the problem at all.
I'm fine with the all bi romances in DA2. What I didn't like at all was the sex talk the second they joined the team. But that has nothing to do with gay or straight. It's terrible writing, as were at least half the ME2 romances....

What would be sweet is if the game could randomly decide whether a squadmate was straight/gay/bi after you complete their recruitment mission (or go thru wutever process it takes to acquire a squadmate). I'm assuming you won't have a full squad from day 1, correct? So come up with some percentages, assign them, and that way, it's less the player deciding his squad is gay and more the player interacting with a potential LI or simply going after the wrong person.

[Collider]

What would be sweet is if the game could randomly decide whether a squadmate was straight/gay/bi after you complete their recruitment mission (or go thru wutever process it takes to acquire a squadmate). I'm assuming you won't have a full squad from day 1, correct? So come up with some percentages, assign them, and that way, it's less the player deciding his squad is gay and more the player interacting with a potential LI or simply going after the wrong person.

Even worse than having everyone be bisexual would be the characters having random orientations.

[ipgd]

Garbage Master wrote...

Nah I don't want DA2 in the space. Unreal and loaded with deviants rather heroes.
And I know if Bioware does it it will be their last good-selling game. Bioware will lose many of its fans.

Yes, because the sole factor in a game's sales is how many gay people are in it.

[Neria Rose]

DieHigh2012 wrote...

Groups of people are put into groups because they have more in common with eachother than anyone eles. This includes behavior, dress, thought prosses ect. While that doesnt mean that everyone in that group is exaclty the same, the radically different are the exeption not the rule.

And yes man you decided to take a very small part of what I said take it out of context and only focus only on that. Missing the whole point of what I actually was talking about.

The bold up there is literally all you had to say. And as I said, I don't care about your position on characters' changing sexualities. Near as I can tell, your point is that you think the characters' sexualities are already defined as being straight from the previous games and you don't want them 'retconned' into being bisexual because you think it would be 'lazy' on Bioware's part, but you're all for Bioware including s/s relationships in general. Whatever. As I said, it just drives me up a wall when people claim something as fact when it's clearly their opinion. To be fair, I'm sure I've been guilty of the same thing, though I try to make a conscious effort to make sure I communicate my opinions strictly as being what I believe and try to avoid stating facts I can't back up.

Modifié par Neria Rose, 13 juin 2011 - 04:08 .

[JetsoverEverything]

never.

unless im able to make a thread about porking miranda and ashley at the same time.

[Rinji the Bearded]

ipgd wrote...

Garbage Master wrote...

Nah I don't want DA2 in the space. Unreal and loaded with deviants rather heroes.
And I know if Bioware does it it will be their last good-selling game. Bioware will lose many of its fans.

Yes, because the sole factor in a game's sales is how many gay people are in it.

Game sales are directly proportionate to how much ladyspace there is.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 13 juin 2011 - 02:55 .

[ElitePinecone]

JetsoverEverything wrote...

never.

unless im able to make a thread about porking miranda and ashley at the same time.

Go right ahead. You'll have plenty of support. 

[CuseGirl]

Collider wrote...

What would be sweet is if the game could randomly decide whether a squadmate was straight/gay/bi after you complete their recruitment mission (or go thru wutever process it takes to acquire a squadmate). I'm assuming you won't have a full squad from day 1, correct? So come up with some percentages, assign them, and that way, it's less the player deciding his squad is gay and more the player interacting with a potential LI or simply going after the wrong person.

Even worse than having everyone be bisexual would be the characters having random orientations.

I said percentages, I didn't say "a 35% chance Garrus is gay in ME-3". To appease the straight masses, the numbers could be 97% chance everyone but Tali is straight. But it would add some variety to everyone's game like "after I did Jacob's loyalty mission, he totally came onto me and I was like 'nah, i'm not into that', but anytime you need me to overload a shield, hit me up"

[SennenScale]

Okay, here's one thing I really don't understand...why is bisexuality being singled out as being the ruination of DA2? There are a lot of problems with the game, but romances isn't really one of them, IMHO. I thought the terrorism and lack of a sense of humor was way more important to Anders' character myself.

[Clonedzero]

CuseGirl wrote...

Collider wrote...

What would be sweet is if the game could randomly decide whether a squadmate was straight/gay/bi after you complete their recruitment mission (or go thru wutever process it takes to acquire a squadmate). I'm assuming you won't have a full squad from day 1, correct? So come up with some percentages, assign them, and that way, it's less the player deciding his squad is gay and more the player interacting with a potential LI or simply going after the wrong person.

Even worse than having everyone be bisexual would be the characters having random orientations.

I said percentages, I didn't say "a 35% chance Garrus is gay in ME-3". To appease the straight masses, the numbers could be 97% chance everyone but Tali is straight. But it would add some variety to everyone's game like "after I did Jacob's loyalty mission, he totally came onto me and I was like 'nah, i'm not into that', but anytime you need me to overload a shield, hit me up"

no, it'd be horrible. its actually the single worst idea ive heard on the subject. all it would do is make people constantly reload saves to "reroll" characters sexuality they got the one they wanted.

[Clonedzero]

SennenScale wrote...

Okay, here's one thing I really don't understand...why is bisexuality being singled out as being the ruination of DA2? There are a lot of problems with the game, but romances isn't really one of them, IMHO. I thought the terrorism and lack of a sense of humor was way more important to Anders' character myself.

its not. its just the only thing about DA2 thats relevent to this thread...

logic is amazing isnt it?

[Ryzaki]

Clonedzero wrote...

CuseGirl wrote...

Collider wrote...

What would be sweet is if the game could randomly decide whether a squadmate was straight/gay/bi after you complete their recruitment mission (or go thru wutever process it takes to acquire a squadmate). I'm assuming you won't have a full squad from day 1, correct? So come up with some percentages, assign them, and that way, it's less the player deciding his squad is gay and more the player interacting with a potential LI or simply going after the wrong person.

Even worse than having everyone be bisexual would be the characters having random orientations.

I said percentages, I didn't say "a 35% chance Garrus is gay in ME-3". To appease the straight masses, the numbers could be 97% chance everyone but Tali is straight. But it would add some variety to everyone's game like "after I did Jacob's loyalty mission, he totally came onto me and I was like 'nah, i'm not into that', but anytime you need me to overload a shield, hit me up"

no, it'd be horrible. its actually the single worst idea ive heard on the subject. all it would do is make people constantly reload saves to "reroll" characters sexuality they got the one they wanted.

 

So...everyone winning is bad to you? I mean your game X is straight and mine is gay. Who cares? You really care that much about X being gay in my game world? 

[SalsaDMA]

Mesina2 wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

DieHigh2012 wrote...

It's not some conspiracy to keep gay/bi characters out of our BioWare games. I (from a story perspective) simply want characters to be well defined and secure in thier sexuality, reguardless of the whims of Shep. It realy hurt imersion for me in DA2 knowing that guys and gals who acted straight could easly be turned gay/bi by afew flirty words from my Hawke. That is not good story telling, it'e a lazy atempt to make a small portion of the gameing population happy by allowing them to screw anyone they wanted.

If there is to be true advadvancement on the subject to gay sexuality in video games I think Boiware are the ones to acomplish it. But they can't do it if they take the DA2 road, because everyone being Bi is just plain ridiculous. Give us well defind characters with their own motivations and desires. That is good story telling, while the "everyone is bi hook up with who you want" is simply a cheap shortcut.

I didn't realize that gay/bi people only acted one way while straight people only behaved in some other way.

My main problem in DA2 is Anders.

Anders: "I love man too. Wanna date?"
Hawke: "Sorry, straight."
Anders: "Ah, you wanna have only professional relationship? OK, fine."

25 rivalry

Me: /facepalm

My main problem with Anders was the complete change they made to him compared to Awakenings.

If anything, I actually felt offended that the change in his character got people to make stupid claims like "Well he looked gay already in awakenings with the ear-ring and a cat...". I'm s straigth guy, use a single ear-ring and got a cat. Thanks to the idiots for bunking me with a segment I am not part of purely because of even unfounded stereotypes.

On another note, why is this thread not locked yet? It's obviously headed in the same direction as all the others...

[ElitePinecone]

Clonedzero wrote...
no, it'd be horrible. its actually the single worst idea ive heard on the subject. all it would do is make people constantly reload saves to "reroll" characters sexuality they got the one they wanted.

With respect CuseGirl, I have to agree with the others here. Randomising sexuality would seriously mess up characterisation and lead to an absurd amount of complaints from players who got the 'wrong' sexuaity for the character  they wanted. 

[rolson00]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...
no, it'd be horrible. its actually the single worst idea ive heard on the subject. all it would do is make people constantly reload saves to "reroll" characters sexuality they got the one they wanted.

With respect CuseGirl, I have to agree with the others here. Randomising sexuality would seriously mess up characterisation and lead to an absurd amount of complaints from players who got the 'wrong' sexuaity for the character  they wanted. 

i like the idea of choosing you sexuality at the start for a char

[MonkeyLungs]

So Shepard can be gay now?

[SilentK]

Ryzaki wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

CuseGirl wrote...

Collider wrote...

What would be sweet is if the game could randomly decide whether a squadmate was straight/gay/bi after you complete their recruitment mission (or go thru wutever process it takes to acquire a squadmate). I'm assuming you won't have a full squad from day 1, correct? So come up with some percentages, assign them, and that way, it's less the player deciding his squad is gay and more the player interacting with a potential LI or simply going after the wrong person.

Even worse than having everyone be bisexual would be the characters having random orientations.

I said percentages, I didn't say "a 35% chance Garrus is gay in ME-3". To appease the straight masses, the numbers could be 97% chance everyone but Tali is straight. But it would add some variety to everyone's game like "after I did Jacob's loyalty mission, he totally came onto me and I was like 'nah, i'm not into that', but anytime you need me to overload a shield, hit me up"

no, it'd be horrible. its actually the single worst idea ive heard on the subject. all it would do is make people constantly reload saves to "reroll" characters sexuality they got the one they wanted.

 

So...everyone winning is bad to you? I mean your game X is straight and mine is gay. Who cares? You really care that much about X being gay in my game world? 

@ Ryzaki
I think he meant that you would have to reload until your choosen LI could have a relationship with the shep you were playing. I would be really sad if 3 hrs into the game I realised that Kaidan didn't want my FemShep and I had to start a new game    =)

[rolson00]

MonkeyLungs wrote...

So Shepard can be gay now?

where have you been? its bin confirmed for weeks now

[JetsoverEverything]

oh **** another gay/bi/straight fight broke out.... lol we can never just agree to disagree huh

[Rinji the Bearded]

JetsoverEverything wrote...

oh **** another gay/bi/straight fight broke out.... lol we can never just agree to disagree huh

Nope, no middle ground.  I'm just going to be happy when my manshep gets to tangle limbs with another dude. 

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 13 juin 2011 - 03:13 .

[rolson00]

RinjiRenee wrote...

JetsoverEverything wrote...

oh **** another gay/bi/straight fight broke out.... lol we can never just agree to disagree huh

Nope, no middle ground.  I'm just going to be happy when my manshep gets to tangle limbs with another dude. 

lol for its my femshep with ash

[CuseGirl]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...
no, it'd be horrible. its actually the single worst idea ive heard on the subject. all it would do is make people constantly reload saves to "reroll" characters sexuality they got the one they wanted.

With respect CuseGirl, I have to agree with the others here. Randomising sexuality would seriously mess up characterisation and lead to an absurd amount of complaints from players who got the 'wrong' sexuaity for the character  they wanted. 

I didn't mean for your Shepard, I meant for your squadmates. And it's not like my being gay in real-life has helped life spawn more gay people in it. If romance is important in your Shep game life but you didn't find that romance, tough cookies, you're supposed to be saving the world anyway. I dont understand the culture of orchestration on this forum. My first play thru, I didn't have enuff paragon to stop Miranda and Jack's argument, I sided with Miranda, I lost Jack's loyalty and I dealt with it.

Look, it was just an idea and I only brought it up because it seems there's a huge fear of the game DEVs "making" characters gay/bi and because some gamers have it in their minds that those characters are obviously clearly straight, it would upset them if that status was taken away. So I simply suggested taking that power out of the hands of both the player and the DEV. 

[LordJeyl]

So, any news to report yet?