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[Eternalsteelfan]

SwobyJ wrote...

To those not liking this idea (not hallucinations, just the idea of weakness) for ME3 since its 'so late' in the series.... do you not remember that EARTH is being totally bombarded with millions dying in front of Shepard's eyes? This is far and beyond even the Citadel attack in how desperate the battle is.


This matters. It's home. (especially as an Earthborn)

Yes, aside from his death and rebirth, I would consider ther Reaper invasion to be the worst tragedy/trauma to befall Shep. The whole point of the games has been for him to stop the Reapers and their invasion of Earth could be seen as the single greatest failure of his endeavor; Saren, the Conduit, the Collectors, the genocide of a galaxy all for nought as the Earth and it's inhabitants are destroyed by the millions.

[SLPr0]

The sig in my thread has a long thread that I discussed on this back awhile ago. Everyone has their own idea on who Shepard should be.

I agree he should have some cracks in his personality especially at this point. But everyone, as stated, as their own opinions.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

The boy in the vents isn't real and neither are the Reapers. Shepard is halucinating the whole thing.

[Eternalsteelfan]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

The boy in the vents isn't real and neither are the Reapers. Shepard is halucinating the whole thing.

Surprise Mass Effect 3 beginning:

Shepard suddenly wakes up in the medical bay of the Normandy. Doctor Chakwas asks what he saw in the beacon.

fin.

Modifié par Eternalsteelfan, 18 juin 2011 - 01:19 .

[MegaBadExample]

Shepard is smokin' the waky backy! For um...medical reasons...

[Parah_Salin]

MegaBadExample wrote...

Shepard is smokin' the waky backy! For um...medical reasons...

If I saw reapers when I -ummm...tend to my medically needs...I'd be pretty sure my medication had angel dust in it.

Now while I'm firmly against shepard hallucenating I'd like having more dialogue option showing emotional interest, both negative, positive, etc... in reaction to different things, the same way you can continually bash Cerberus throughout ME2. It dosn't have a real gameplay effect, but it gives shep persobnality.

[Eternalsteelfan]

Strong interplay between Shep and the VS regarding the invasion could be a watershed moment for emotion to enter the act.

[Had-to-say]

Bump for the new guys.

[ubermensch007]

Eternalsteelfan wrote...

I was disappointed when I read in the stickied IGN article that the boy in the vents from the Earth demo was real. There was some psychological theorizing going on that the boy may have been a hallucination or figment of Shephard's mind. This made sense to me considering the traumas Shephard has been through, for example: the experience of the Prothean beacon, the inability to save his friend or lover on Virmire, the assault on the Citadel, death/rebirth, and now the greatest nightmare realized: the invasion of Earth by the reapers with millions upon millions dying. This brings me to my point: along with being savior of the galaxy, Shephard is a flawed, imperfect human being; as such, there should be some wearing on his mind. Despite his badassitude and the weight of the universe on his shoulders, every human has a breaking point.

Under the kind of stresses Shephard has been exposed to, it's only reasonable to expect some signs of duress or weakness. In Mass Effect (the first) there was one brief moment I recall before the final planet where Shephard was sitting down against the wall, this is the only time I can think of Shephard showing his mortality. Post-Traumatic Stress is terribly common amongst soldiers and anyone who faces strong traumas like death, near death, and even the deaths or near deaths of others. We need to see Shephard showing some signs of the mental wear he has doubtlessly experienced.

I'm a film student with a concentration on screenwriting whom has nearly finished his education, as such I have some authority, take it for what it's worth, when I say the greatest protagonists (and antagonists!) are the ones whose struggles we can seen and experience, those who are flawed and show weakness at times. If this finale is to be as emotionally impactful as Bioware claims, we're going to need to see past Shepard's the facade of strength.

TL;DR
Despite his badassitude, Shephard needs some moments of weakness in light of the three games full of tragedy.

Well said... There is definetly potential there.I go into great detail about Shepard's Character Arc in Mass Effect 3, with what I wrote  in these two threads.

The Greatest Missed Opportunity By The Writers Of Mass Effect 2

Was Commander Shepard betrayed by the Alliance & Council?

What I don't want to see however is Shepard Commander have a breakdown akin to Buffy the Vampire Slayer in Season 5, when Glory abducted Dawn and killed all those soldiers dedicated to defeating her.Feeling overwhelmed is one thing.Going into a catotonic state, is a bit more extreme.   Even though I sort of see the fifth season of BTVS as the best of them all.By Joss Whedon's own admission.Ratings wise, they noticed that episodes in which Buffy was either suffering or quite emotional, got the best ratings, so they started milking it for all they could. <_<

My whole deal with Shepard - is that even though he has been through alot, and has much more to endure and overcome.
I don't really see him as having anything to cry about  and I definetly don't want BioWare to do anything as
"CRINGE" worthy as when Hideo Kojima had Hal Emmerich/Octagon crying like a nerd to the nth degree about the death of  E.E. I liked Emma, but damn was his crying funny as all get-out! I would have loved to see the voice actors face when he was doing all that...

Modifié par ubermensch007, 18 juillet 2011 - 08:38 .

[MeAndMySandvich]

You can't really make a character arc for a character that isn't remotely defined.

Modifié par MeAndMySandvich, 18 juillet 2011 - 08:54 .

[Dazaster Dellus]

Not everybody is affected by things the same way. Just because some can't handle what's going around them doesn't mean all can't and end up having damaged psyches and crying in the corner. Some people are just born with stronger minds than others and have stronger wills. Elite N7 training would also help in this case.

[pablodurando]

I still think the boy is a hallucination, maybe a sign of indoctrination. It was never confirmed that he wasn't. And him boarding the shuttle could just have been another hallucination.

[Lord Issa]

This is a cool idea, but it wouldn't work with Shepard. Maybe the Virmire survivor could suffer from this kind of thing?

[pablodurando]

Why wouldn't it work? Shepard has been through hell and a sign of his mind deteriorating is not that off. He has been exposed to Reaper artifacts more than almost anyone in the galaxy. Shepard needs to have some human left in him.

[RolandX9]

pablodurando wrote...

I still think the boy is a hallucination, maybe a sign of indoctrination. It was never confirmed that he wasn't. And him boarding the shuttle could just have been another hallucination.

And I "think" Garrus helped Liara get Shepard's body back, Redemption be damned. It doesn't make it canon.

Look, different Shepards are going to react to this situation differently. Most Paragon Shepards are going to be horrified, but a lot of Renegades are probably going to be all "I told you so, morons" and move on. Spacer Shepards will most likely not be as attached to the mudball; Earthborns are watching their home burn. Depending on the quality of his/her therapists, Colonist Shepards could either be in danger of going catatonic ("not again!") or be perfectly adapted to this disaster ("the Mindoir raid didn't break me, neither will this"). It's very, very unlikely that Bioware will force any of this on players, since to a large degree we decide who our Shepards are.

[CheeseEnchilada]

pablodurando wrote...

I still think the boy is a hallucination, maybe a sign of indoctrination. It was never confirmed that he wasn't. And him boarding the shuttle could just have been another hallucination.

Not only is the boy a hallucination, but Anderson is as well. He was killed while trying to exit the courtroom. Shepard is in shock and imagines Anderson to be fighting beside him, helping him through the hoard. The boy appears in the vents due to the enormous amount of guilt Shepard is feeling, and the line "You can't help me" reflects how he let his old friend die, even if he doesn't realize it. Anderson 'stays behind' to help ease Shepard's conscience about leaving Earth to the Reapers, and Shepard flies away, now safe and able to deal with what just happened in a healthier way. This leads to a possible emotional scene, allowing you to choose if Shepard expresses his/her feelings, just like the OP suggested.

Also asari are shapeshifters and Thane is in cahoots with Kai Leng.

[pablodurando]

RolandX9 wrote...

pablodurando wrote...

I still think the boy is a hallucination, maybe a sign of indoctrination. It was never confirmed that he wasn't. And him boarding the shuttle could just have been another hallucination.

And I "think" Garrus helped Liara get Shepard's body back, Redemption be damned. It doesn't make it canon.

Look, different Shepards are going to react to this situation differently. Most Paragon Shepards are going to be horrified, but a lot of Renegades are probably going to be all "I told you so, morons" and move on. Spacer Shepards will most likely not be as attached to the mudball; Earthborns are watching their home burn. Depending on the quality of his/her therapists, Colonist Shepards could either be in danger of going catatonic ("not again!") or be perfectly adapted to this disaster ("the Mindoir raid didn't break me, neither will this"). It's very, very unlikely that Bioware will force any of this on players, since to a large degree we decide who our Shepards are.

Bioware ocassionaly forces canon choices on Shepard, like being buddy-buddy with Liara, joining Cerberus, having Liara mind meld with you, why not Shepard hallucinating.  Every Shepard has taken some emotional toll in the game and it would be weak writing to not show it in some form.

[mauro2222]

Wait wait, so soldiers that suffer PTSD are those who were more mentally healthy xD? I mean those who used to have a right and human moral... I knew it, soldiers that don´t suffer of PTSD are psychopaths, they don´t feel remorse, they don´t have opinion, they don´t have morals xD lol they just kill and they repress their emotions. That will also explain why most of the people think that human nature exist or if it does, is not violence greed and ambition xD

Shepard needs to show flesh, he is human, he has a brain.

[SafetyShattered]

Personally I want my shep to break down. I think it would add a more life like quality to his character. I mean considering all the people he is responsible for killing, I don't think anyone would be "normal" after that.

[ubermensch007]

MeAndMySandvich wrote...

You can't really make a character arc for a character that isn't remotely defined.

A character arc is the status of the character as it unfolds throughout the story, the storyline or series of episodes. Characters begin the story with a  certain viewpoint and, through events in the story, that viewpoint
changes.

I'm not so sure of what you say MeAndMySandvich, In Mass Effect 1, regardless of what Shepard Profile you make.It's pretty clear that Commander Shepard has a strong work ethic.He has served the Alliance with 'Honor and Distinction' He becomes a Spectre in order to not only have the chance to take down Saren, but avenge Captain Anderson and be a credit to the human race.That's what Shepard becoming the "First Human Spectre" is all about.

In Mass Effect 2.Commander Shepard is brought back into a galaxy that seems to have gone through the "Rabbit Hole" of Alice and Wonderland. His friends and allies have abandoned him.His enemies are on his side.How does he deal with this? What do his former comrades and associates think of him now and the 'new' company that he keeps?

All this in itself, tells us alot about Shepard Commander, before we as the player make any desicions whatsoever.
In my opinion, anyway...

Modifié par ubermensch007, 20 juillet 2011 - 06:02 .

[Xarathox]

pablodurando wrote...

Why wouldn't it work? Shepard has been through hell and a sign of his mind deteriorating is not that off. He has been exposed to Reaper artifacts more than almost anyone in the galaxy. Shepard needs to have some human left in him.

Because hallucinations aren't symptoms of PTSD. That's more along the lines of schizophrenia or chemically induced psychosis (read: Opiates, hallucinagenics, etc).

PTSD more closely resembles Bi-Polar Dissorder (which I have) in that it only manifests itself through emotional instability (depression, violent mood swings, etc).

I don't dissagree that shepard should have the option to show a more vulnerable side, but that should be relegated to dialog choice, rather than through a scripted cutscene. Kind of like how you respond to Liara in shep's cabin after inviting her onboard after LoTSB.

[pablodurando]

Xarathox wrote...

pablodurando wrote...

Why wouldn't it work? Shepard has been through hell and a sign of his mind deteriorating is not that off. He has been exposed to Reaper artifacts more than almost anyone in the galaxy. Shepard needs to have some human left in him.

Because hallucinations aren't symptoms of PTSD. That's more along the lines of schizophrenia or chemically induced psychosis (read: Opiates, hallucinagenics, etc).

PTSD more closely resembles Bi-Polar Dissorder (which I have) in that it only manifests itself through emotional instability (depression, violent mood swings, etc).

I don't dissagree that shepard should have the option to show a more vulnerable side, but that should be relegated to dialog choice, rather than through a scripted cutscene. Kind of like how you respond to Liara in shep's cabin after inviting her onboard after LoTSB.

Hmmm, good point.  I still want that boy to be a hallucination though.  What if Shepard is mildly indoctrinated from exposure to Object Rho in Arrival.

[MissMaster]

If Shep is having psychological problems it should be because how Shep was played. I can see my Shep going of the deep end, I would be bummed if that is not an option.