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[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

King Minos wrote...

So if singularity is very hard to do, does that mean Shepard is a powerful biotic him/herself?

In ME1 Shepard was a pretty good biotic.... For a human. He was well above par.

In ME2 after project Lazarus. Biotic Shepard has been upgraded to have the L5 implant (the same that Jack has). So Shepard in ME2 is actually pretty strong. Sentinel Shepard is weaker than adept/vanguard Shep though.

[bryon_n7]

At first I didn't know Liara was a romance option, so in my first ME1 play through I went with Ash. I didn't like Ash through cause she is racist. In my third play through, I finally romanced Liara, and I've grown to really like her. Knowing that she was willing to die to save Shepard from the Collectors only made it better. In the Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC, I continued the romance and stay loyal to her ever since. Can't wait to see what happens between Liara and Shepard in ME3!!!!

[King Minos]

Yet he/she pretty much got stepped on by Tela Vasir and displayed no sign of biotics during cutscenes, that annoyed me.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

King Minos wrote...

Yet he/she pretty much got stepped on by Tela Vasir and displayed no sign of biotics during cutscenes, that annoyed me.

Because Bioware never bothered to acknowlegde Shepard being a biotic (quite evident by most cutscenes and certain dialog choices). They always seem to design the cutscnes around Shepard being a soldier, or at the very-least a non-biotic.

[Ophiskc]

bryon_n7 wrote...
Can't wait to see what happens between
Liara and Shepard in ME3!!!!

Welcome to the club

Lizardviking wrote...
Because Bioware never bothered to acknowlegde Shepard being a biotic (quite evident by most cutscenes and certain dialog choices). They always seem to design the cutscnes around Shepard being a soldier, or at the very-least a non-biotic.

Because making different cutscenes for every class would be a waste of resources, so they stuck to make it for a neutral Shep


Edit: more Liara with lotsb skin

Modifié par Ophiskc, 02 août 2011 - 04:43 .

[Robhuzz]

bryon_n7 wrote...

At first I didn't know Liara was a romance option, so in my first ME1 play through I went with Ash. I didn't like Ash through cause she is racist. In my third play through, I finally romanced Liara, and I've grown to really like her. Knowing that she was willing to die to save Shepard from the Collectors only made it better. In the Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC, I continued the romance and stay loyal to her ever since. Can't wait to see what happens between Liara and Shepard in ME3!!!!

I immediately stopped being flirty towards Ashley when I figured Liara could also be romanced. Did get the confrontation in the comm room and even in games I really hate to turn people down, but I had no choice. Liara's "I'm glad you chose me" was utterly worth it though:)

Because making different cutscenes for every class would be a waste of resources, so they stuck to make it for a neutral Shep

This. BW has been doing so since DAO where if The Warden kills someone in cutscenes it was always done with a knife instead of his/her own sword/spell/bow.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 02 août 2011 - 05:05 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Ericzio wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

King Minos wrote...

So if singularity is very hard to do, does that mean Shepard is a powerful biotic him/herself?

In ME1 Shepard was a pretty good biotic.... For a human. He was well above par.

In ME2 after project Lazarus. Biotic Shepard has been upgraded to have the L5 implant (the same that Jack has). So Shepard in ME2 is actually pretty strong. Sentinel Shepard is weaker than adept/vanguard Shep though.

So does this mean Liara is a L5 biotic? Also, which Biotic is stronger Adpet or Vanguard? I Always thought it was Adept. Now that I think about it, my Shep and Liara have so much in common 

Liara is not a L5. L5 is a biotic implant human has that is needed for them to be able to use their biotic abilitiees. Shepard in ME1 had the common L3.

I would say that Adept Shepard is stronger than Vanguard Shepard. Althrough both of them has an advanced version of the L5 implant (which in itself seems to be a Cerberus prototype).

[Han Shot First]

The L series implants are only relevant to human biotics.

Do Asari even have implants? 

Thessia (the Asari homeworld) is extremely rich in eezo, so much so that many species on the planet are biotically active. Animal life on the planet obviously doesn't use impants with their biotics, and the Asari obviously don't need implants in order to do the biotic 'mind meld' when mating. The Asari don't need implants to use their biotic abilities, and if they have any impants at all, it is only to be improve abilities that they are able to tap into naturally.

Humans on the other hand can't tap into biotic abilities without implants.

Given the unique nature of Thessia and it's biosphere, on average I would say that Asari biotics are more powerful than human ones. Extremely powerful human biotics like Jack or Gillian Grayson would be the exception rather than the rule.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 02 août 2011 - 05:36 .

[Dariustwinblade]

I would say Liara is equal to Vasir judging from their exchange.

Vasir:YOU, Pureblood ****!
"Biotically charged mass accelerated glass shards attack"
Liara: Instantly uses a partial Stasis field.

Both can do that biotic flying body thingy abiltiy to jump from high up.



Confrontation:

Vasir:Drop your clips or I'll kill the hostage.

Shep: Drops the clip.

Vasir: Now yo.....*boom disarmed by Liara*

How the hell does a Specter get disarmed like that.

OR

Shep: Is that the best you got! A hostage

Vasir: Hurr Derp*boom! Table to the face*

Heck if Vasir is a Vanguard with the Vanguard signature.
Charge and Shockwave.
Liara is an Adept with Singularity and Warp.

IMO, Samara is the strongest both in decipline and raw power second only to Matriarcs like Benezia or Athyeta.

After Wrex she is the second strongest squaddi.

Also Athyeta wanting to smack Conrad with singularity does not deminish its power.

Athyeta is Liara's father and Liara is only one other than adept Shep and harbinger. Who can use Singularity.
That move must run in the family. Cause it seems like Liara/Athyeta relation is a like father like daughter. Relation.

So far as biotics go.
1.Matriarchs
2.Samara/Aria/Morinth
3. Liara/Vasir
4. Jack

Try as you may a human can't compete with Asaris in Biotic.

[Robhuzz]

By the time of ME2, L5 implants seem to be the best available as both Shepard and Jack have them. Still it might be that these are 'cerberus only' and the Alliance might not have advanced further than L4 implants. I'm pretty confident Kaidan will have received an upgrade by the time of ME2 already, certainly in ME3.

@Han

Asari are natural biotics. They do not need implants. Though gameplay wise they screwed up in ME1 with that. Biotic amps regulate nerve impulses sent to implants, since Asari don't have implants, it makes no sense for them to have a biotic amp.. does it? 

Modifié par Robhuzz, 02 août 2011 - 05:43 .

[Dariustwinblade]

Asari's do have biotic amps. Though they are extremely expensive. And require special liscence and permit to buy them and are more potent than human amps. Nissana Dantius gave Shep some weaker prototypes suitable for human in Me1.

[Robhuzz]

I know they produce biotic amps but what for? Biotic amps control biotic implants which Asari do not have... Either that or I'm getting rusty on the ME1 lore after not playing for a while XD.

[DarkDragon777]

I'm assuming they craft amps to sell them. The asari do have the single largest economy in the galaxy after all. I'm sure this plays a big role in it.

[King Minos]

Why do people always put us humans down, not all humans are born rotten, we are not monsters, I am more than sure that some humans can put up a fight against a asari usin only biotics, we army useless.

[DarkDragon777]

King Minos wrote...

Why do people always put us humans down, not all humans are born rotten, we are not monsters, I am more than sure that some humans can put up a fight against a asari usin only biotics, we army useless.

Yes, some asari choose not to fully develop their biotics. So a high-level human biotic could have some chance at outdoing some asari.

[Robhuzz]

We're not putting humans down at all. Just of all the known biotics (not counting novel characters), humans won't be beating Asari.

From all other things we see in the game we learn Humanity is superior to all others. Great biotic potential (2nd to only Asari). Great tech potential, Cerberus tech = human tech and beats almost all alien tech. Listen to Harbinger. According to it/him, Humanity has virtually no flaws while all other races have critical errors that make them useless. It's kind of funny. Went severely off topic there but you get the idea.

[King Minos]

Ok maybe what I said was extreme but I have seen some real anti human topics on this network, if we were so useless we would of killed ourselves when we first weaponised the nuclear weapon, maybewe could of if japan had a nuke as well, I agree off topic. Like humans vary in intelligence, maybe asari vary in biotic power? They can't all be biotic warriors capable ripping the universe in half.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Robhuzz wrote...

We're not putting humans down at all. Just of all the known biotics (not counting novel characters), humans won't be beating Asari.

From all other things we see in the game we learn Humanity is superior to all others. Great biotic potential (2nd to only Asari). Great tech potential, Cerberus tech = human tech and beats almost all alien tech. Listen to Harbinger. According to it/him, Humanity has virtually no flaws while all other races have critical errors that make them useless. It's kind of funny. Went severely off topic there but you get the idea.

The whole "Humanity is special" ME has going is somewhat tirering me. i don't mind humans being protrayed as the "Right guy at the right place at the right time" but I dislike how we are the only race that apparently aren't in a social/political/military/technological stagnation. Combined with "Humans are geneticly diverse" and it just comes off as somewhat mary sue-ish.

[Sarcastic Tasha]

Robhuzz wrote...

I know they produce biotic amps but what for? Biotic amps control biotic implants which Asari do not have... Either that or I'm getting rusty on the ME1 lore after not playing for a while XD.

I thought Liara was equipped with a biotic amp in ME1, along with an omnitool for her one tech ability. I always figured biotic amps were like staffs, used to focus power. 

[Han Shot First]

King Minos wrote...

Why do people always put us humans down, not all humans are born rotten, we are not monsters, I am more than sure that some humans can put up a fight against a asari usin only biotics, we army useless.

I didn't say all humans were weaker than the Asari biotically. In fact I mentioned Jack and Gillian Grayson as being on par with the more powerful Asari biotics in my post.

But generally speaking, Asari biotics would be more powerful than human ones since they evolved on an Eezo rich planet where many of the native lifeforms evoved natural biotic abilities. Are there individual human biotics as powerful as some Asari matriarchs? Sure. But they are the exception rather than the rule. As far as biotics go the Asari would be the most gifted species in the galaxy.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 02 août 2011 - 06:21 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

King Minos wrote...

Ok maybe what I said was extreme but I have seen some real anti human topics on this network, if we were so useless we would of killed ourselves when we first weaponised the nuclear weapon, maybewe could of if japan had a nuke as well, I agree off topic.

I think most people are just tired of the "Humanity is awesome!!!!!" trope that seems to dominate every single fictional universe with multiple species.

Like humans vary in intelligence, maybe asari vary in biotic power? They
can't all be biotic warriors capable ripping the universe in half.

Very likely. Althrough I don't anyone has been claiming that all Asari are biotic powerhouses.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 02 août 2011 - 06:22 .

[TMA LIVE]

Ophiskc wrote...

Singularity <3

This need more Liara

Wow. Want more pictures of this scene, with that version of Liara's face please.

[kumquats]

All the races are specialists and humans are more versatile.
It's not about putting humans down, but Samara is a Justicar and I believe they have a brutal training.

Modifié par kumquats, 02 août 2011 - 06:31 .