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[DevilBeast]

Alot of negativity in here. Please, people you are making Liara sad..

[die-yng]

No ending where Liara abandons Shep and starts a new life with JOKER!?!? will ever be acceptable.

The whole sequence with the Normandy has to go, because it contradicts everything hat happened before.
If we don't get more choices, then there must be an acceptable solution why Shepard would even consider those three crappy options.

When your EMS is high enough and Shepard survives, then Liara (or any other LI) defnitely has to be on earth and search for him/her.

And finally... I still want my little blue children, I don't care what I have to do. And if I need 10000 EMS, then I'll play MP and promote N7 squads as long as neccessary to reach them.
I just want... no need this option.

RL often is grim and bleak enough, I want my games to end on an upbeat not.
Especially if my Shep and the little prothean expert have worked so hard to get there.

[FRANCESCO84Inn]

@Die-yng, good luck ,

in this moment i wacht only the obscure,

i not think is possible take 10000 ems point for save the Glaxy.

Liara please give me a little blue future.

Modifié par FRANCESCO84Inn, 05 avril 2012 - 04:29 .

[Robhuzz]

Nerevar-as wrote...

FRANCESCO84Inn wrote...

so, Liara will remain forever in my heart, and in the heart of my Female Sheaprd,

I doubt in the future Liara come to new adventure in new games.

I think she will. Even with the new status quo she has around 900 years to go.

But I´m done with ME and anything the heads of the dev team put their hands on. They aren´t getting me twice.

Nah, she's stranded on that planet with the rest of the crew for the rest of her life, they're never getting off that planet again (since the relays are gone, no one will reach that planet either so no help), they'll probably all stop eating when they find out no help is coming, starving within a few weeks. Good job BioWare... really:crying:

[SuperClutch16]

DevilBeast wrote...

Alot of negativity in here. Please, people you are making Liara sad..

I'm going to get a little off topic here, and I apologize to everyone here (Liara included). But I need to vent about the ending announcement.

Okay, Bioware is seriously starting to ****** me off. When asked if the dlc would change the endings, Bioware said "No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise."

Am I the only one who is frustrated beyond explanation about Bioware using "artistic vision" as an excuse for the disgrace of an ending?

I don't care how much you want to hold to you're "artistic vision," if you're "art" is sub par you better fricken change what was wrong and improve it.

[9Enrico0]

forget the beautiful final with Liara and the blue children
for me they kill shepard in the dlc.... 

Modifié par 9Enrico0, 05 avril 2012 - 04:41 .

[Sunnie]

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

Just had a dream where the endings of ME3 were as bad as the Green Lantern movie.... Oh wait they are

But GL wasn't "done" at the end of the movie, where as with ME3, this.is.it. Done. Finito. Nach mó. GL can possibly be redeemed by The Avengers, can't say theres anything coming to redeem ME3, not even DLC can.

9Enrico0 wrote...

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...
Probably what BW thinks about our feelings towards the endings

you mean that bioware doesn't matter what we think?

They(EA) will only care when they see that the game didn't sell as well as expected, attributed to the ending debacle.

Lizardviking wrote...

So it seems to be official. Bioware will release additonal content to "clarify and provide context".

Basicly Bioware will provide new information to gap out the plot holes, but the ending will still be the same. Galactic civilization is still screwed, Shepard is still dead or stuck on Earth, and worst of all. Liara and the Normandy crew is stuck on the planet with no hope of escaping.

Not sure if this feels like a victory or defeat for me.

We were defeated before the war even began. 80% of the answers presented in the press release Q&A are the same as what they said from the beginning of the debacle, and I for one am getting really sick of hear "artistic vision" coming from their marketing mooks. And with this, I am officially done giving EA/BioWare any more of my money. I strongly urge others to show your disappointment by refusing to purchase any more of their products.

hollow22_ wrote...

LOOOOK AT THIS GUYS!!!! NEW ENDING CINEMATICS IN A FREE DLC THIS SUMMER

*************
IMO it's better they trying to fix their problems that stay with the endings we already know.

lol, nothing is changing, the galaxy is still screwed.
Also, they aren't "fixing" anything, the crappy ending will remain unchanged.

Lizardviking wrote...
My problem with this clarification DLC is the fact simply adding cutscenes to show things wont change anything.

Bingo!

DevilBeast wrote...
I will probably get flamed pretty badly, but I think we fans may have been a bit too whiny and demanding. I mean, we have demanded more closure and clarifications, fair enough I can understand that. But when we are finally being given exactly that (and with no charge even) some people are still raging.

Actually I disagree with you. Customers who PAY for a product and are NOT SATISFIED with the product, HAVE A RIGHT to complain about that product. And as a producer that sells said "for profit" product, resting on "artistic vision" is nothing more than a huge slap and disconnect from their paying customers.
I also believe that the movement shot itself in the foot by staying "too civil" and letting a few people be too generally vague about "what exactly" was wrong with the end. Clarification and closure were really the wrong punch words to use for this, because in reality the issue with the ending is that it was all an asspull that didn't fit with the other 99.8% of the series, and the decision against ending a great series on a high note should be fatal (and is fatal with me).

Tyranniac wrote...
I'm not sure if I really expected them to actually fix this mess but at least there was hope before.

It was always nothing more than a "fools hope". /uploads_user/1070000/1069890/43422.gif


@The_Star_Treker - /uploads_user/1070000/1069890/193671.gif

And now I am finally caught up from last night!

Have a Liara/Shepard just to make my post even looooooonger!

[Sunnie]

SuperClutch16 wrote...

Am I the only one who is frustrated beyond explanation about Bioware using "artistic vision" as an excuse for the disgrace of an ending?

I don't care how much you want to hold to you're "artistic vision," if you're "art" is sub par you better fricken change what was wrong and improve it.

Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!

Winner! This, exactly! (sort of)

[Tyranniac]

Sunnie22 wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...
I'm not sure if I really expected them to actually fix this mess but at least there was hope before.

It was always nothing more than a "fools hope". /uploads_user/1070000/1069890/43422.gif

I know... but it was better than no hope.

[TMA LIVE]

I can't wait to see Liara's epilogue. Some want that a mystery, so they can make up their own canon, but I'd honestly prefer seeing an official one.

[Nerevar-as]

Robhuzz wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

FRANCESCO84Inn wrote...

so, Liara will remain forever in my heart, and in the heart of my Female Sheaprd,

I doubt in the future Liara come to new adventure in new games.

I think she will. Even with the new status quo she has around 900 years to go.

But I´m done with ME and anything the heads of the dev team put their hands on. They aren´t getting me twice.

Nah, she's stranded on that planet with the rest of the crew for the rest of her life, they're never getting off that planet again (since the relays are gone, no one will reach that planet either so no help), they'll probably all stop eating when they find out no help is coming, starving within a few weeks. Good job BioWare... really:crying:

If the QEC still works they could communicate they are still alive. However unless they are on charted space that will mean nothing at all. BTW, great luck finding a planet and survivng the crash with a damaged ship (reminds me a bit when the Sulaco screws up as it almost crashed onto the jail planet <_<).

Maybe the extended ending will be a text over about how they were rescued before team dextro died of whatever aminoacid deficiency killed them first. But the nonsense of Starbrat and Space Magic look like they are going to stay.

This is the worst story I´ve seen since Quesada wrote One More Day.

Modifié par Nerevar-as, 05 avril 2012 - 04:45 .

[Andronic0s]

 I just read the announcement on this thread: http://social.biowar.../index/11028404

And well..I take it from it that now we will now how they got into the ship that crash them on jungle planet? meh it doesn't changes anything about how horrible the result of the ending is.....but as long as those epilogues say something like "and then shepard found them and they rebuilt the mass relays" I can live with that

Modifié par Andronic0s, 05 avril 2012 - 04:50 .

[SuperClutch16]

I might just write my own ending...and be happy with my own "head canon."

Yep...I think that sounds like a solid plan.

[Dude on Fire]

This is too much. Bioware are too arrogant to see how much they've wronged. If they can't see it, then they'll never make it the way we want it. My head hurts so friggin much right now. PAX won't give us anything. The Mass Effect universe is forever lost.

[PMC65]

FdL_Ananas wrote...

But looking at the big picture I still wouldn't want to push it too far. And as others said before as well, once Shep grows older there will arise quite a few of new issues.

I agree, I see "challenges" arising as Shepard grows older and in my headcanon she only lives to about 80 years old. The lifespan of each Shepard depends I guess on the player.

But its not about how long they are together but the quality ... With all of the responsibilities each will have after the reaper war how much "together" time would they really have? I see EW and Liara being pulled away from each other a lot ... But that is also left up to each player to determine.

And come on over to my camp ... there are more here than you think! And they are all drunk! 

jlb has her omni-tool and I have my "accidentals" ....



*smiles at doozer for the treat*

Lizardviking - I gave up hope when they used "artistic vision". If I wanted that I would go to the museum ... this was a video game that used fan feedback to guide it. It asked the gamer to join in and participate ... now they claim "artistic vision"? And the fact that they didn't admit to understanding why their fanbase was not happy with the ending ... instead they raised up the magazine critic praises ... and stop looking into my Liara with Ash with strawberries fantasy! And angry sex? Oh, mama! Keep talking!

FRANCESCO84Inn  - That gif! 

AndroLeonidas  - I do think Bioware should have announced the DLC not EA. It looks like corporate stepped in to make things right when it (the announcement) should have stayed in Bioware's hands. 

 

 

[die-yng]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

FRANCESCO84Inn wrote...

so, Liara will remain forever in my heart, and in the heart of my Female Sheaprd,

I doubt in the future Liara come to new adventure in new games.

I think she will. Even with the new status quo she has around 900 years to go.

But I´m done with ME and anything the heads of the dev team put their hands on. They aren´t getting me twice.

Nah, she's stranded on that planet with the rest of the crew for the rest of her life, they're never getting off that planet again (since the relays are gone, no one will reach that planet either so no help), they'll probably all stop eating when they find out no help is coming, starving within a few weeks. Good job BioWare... really:crying:

If the QEC still works they could communicate they are still alive. However unless they are on charted space that will mean nothing at all. BTW, great luck finding a planet and survivng the crash with a damaged ship (reminds me a bit when the Sulaco screws up as it almost crashed onto the jail planet <_<).

Maybe the extended ending will be a text over about how they were rescued before team dextro died of whatever aminoacid deficiency killed them first. But the nonsense of Starbrat and Space Magic look like they are going to stay.

This is the worst story I´ve seen since Quesada wrote One More Day.

I can actually see the comparison between OMD and the ending, both basically destroy much of what has come before and both made absolutely no sense.

As far as the Quantum Entanglement goes, there 's absolutely no reason why it shouldn't work.

[SuperClutch16]

To ease the pain of Bioware's let down.

[Tyranniac]

TMA LIVE wrote...

I can't wait to see Liara's epilogue. Some want that a mystery, so they can make up their own canon, but I'd honestly prefer seeing an official one.

You... you actually want an epilogue of a lonely, stranded Liara that in the unlikely event she survives, lives out the rest of her life with no Shepard in the broken remnants of the galaxy?

SuperClutch16 wrote...

I might just write my own ending...and be happy with my own "head canon." 

Yep...I think that sounds like a solid plan.

 

I did that, and it might help. To some extent. Won't make everything well again, though.

Not to mention that there can never be any more amazing Mass Effect.

[DOsquareZER]

PMC65 wrote...
And come on over to my camp ... there are more here than you think! And they are all drunk! 
jlb has her omni-tool and I have my "accidentals" ....
*snip*
*smiles at doozer for the treat*

lol i thought you'd like that.  its exactly what was going through my head when i posted it. 

Also: Ionno eve nthough human lifespan is relatively short in comparison to Asari - i think Liara would be content having Shep for those 60 more years give or take...  there would be problems for sure, but considering Liara almost didn't even have the oppertunity to live a life with shep (and now wont, thank you BW.)..well *shrugs* think she'd be more than happy to take the good with the bad.

Modifié par doozer12, 05 avril 2012 - 04:58 .

[Nerevar-as]

Dude on Fire wrote...

This is too much. Bioware are too arrogant to see how much they've wronged. If they can't see it, then they'll never make it the way we want it. My head hurts so friggin much right now. PAX won't give us anything. The Mass Effect universe is forever lost.

I think it´s just two of them who just refuse to get it. At least they still haven´t said we don´t get how innovative it all is.

Modifié par Nerevar-as, 05 avril 2012 - 05:02 .

[TheMarshal]

Sunnie22 wrote...

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

Just had a dream where the endings of ME3 were as bad as the Green Lantern movie.... Oh wait they are

But GL wasn't "done" at the end of the movie, where as with ME3, this.is.it. Done. Finito. Nach mó. GL can possibly be redeemed by The Avengers, can't say theres anything coming to redeem ME3, not even DLC can.

Green Lantern is Justice League, but your point still stands.    And that's where I think a lot of people are missing the mark.  This wasn't just a bad ending for one game.  This was a bad ending for a series of games.  100+ hours worth of gameplay for many of us.  I saw a list yesterday of the top 6 "worst endings in video games," none of which were Mass Effect.  Some of them were definitely head-scratchers, but each ending was the ending to that game, and that game alone.

Not only was the ending unfulfilling for Mass Effect 3, not only did it not address anything that you did in Mass Effect 1 or 2, it effectively took a **** on the entire universe, much in the same way Dragons of Summer Flame did for Dragonlance (except that there wasn't any "twist" ending there).  Some people think that the next game will have to take place so far in the future that none of the events from this story arc will matter.  And that's a reasonable assumption, but...  Synthesis means that everybody is part robot (or something).  Destroy means there are no more geth.  Control means...  something...  And that of course ignores the outcome of the geth/quarian conflict, whether the genophage was cured or not, whether Wrex/Bakara or Wreav were in charge of the krogans...  A few thousand years in the future those things would probably still matter.

Modifié par TheMarshal, 05 avril 2012 - 05:00 .

[DOsquareZER]

anyone find it funny casey isn't going to PAX. or Mac. They went to everything Pre-launch. Now ...nothing.

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...
I can't wait to see Liara's epilogue. Some want that a mystery, so they can make up their own canon, but I'd honestly prefer seeing an official one.

What do you think it's going to say?

[Mr.House]

"Liara flayed Joker alive because of this stupidity."

Modifié par Mr.House, 05 avril 2012 - 05:04 .

[Toxichobbit]

Sunnie22 wrote...
It was always nothing more than a "fools hope". /uploads_user/1070000/1069890/43422.gif

I fear that quietly saying "For Liara" and charging against EA/Bioware/Reapers won't work this time though .



The whole artistic thing that Bioware's PR keeps spouting just feels like an excuse. Not just an excuse, an arrogant one, as if Bioware know better than us what we want and we should all just accept that they're opinion is superior to ours. I strongly feel that many people, maybe the majority of people, aren't looking for art out of their games. They're looking for enjoyment, escapism and immersion. They're looking for something that they can relate to and interract with. The ending doesn't really offer something that most people seem to want to relate to and it is deffinatly lacking in the interractive part. 

I'll see how things go (i still feel we're in a bit of a kneejerk reaction phase) but if they keep going like this i'll happily join you in not giving them anymore of my money.