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[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TMA LIVE wrote...

For those that screwed Sha'ira in Mass Effect 1, and we meet her again, do you think Liara will continue to act jealous around her?

Maybe a little if Shepard flirts again with her?

[ladyvader]

TMA LIVE wrote...

For those that screwed Sha'ira in Mass Effect 1, and we meet her again, do you think Liara will continue to act jealous around her?

Probably more so now than she did then.

[TMA LIVE]

ladyvader wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

For those that screwed Sha'ira in Mass Effect 1, and we meet her again, do you think Liara will continue to act jealous around her?

Probably more so now than she did then.

I think so too. Though after hearing what Drew said, I keep wondering if I should think otherwise. On one hand, he said she's open minded when it comes to sexual practice, and thus doesn't react negatively to the threesome suggestion. Yet she's jealous around the Consort, and reacts negatively to you moving on to a ME2 LI. So I'm still a bit confused. But I guess I'll have to take jlb's idea that she simple doesn't react horribly to the idea, yet probably doesn't want it. Because even though Liara being open minded about her sexuality makes perfects sense to me (and in a way makes me love her as a character even more), I can't imagine her wanting an open relationship (even though LOTSB might hint of that happening if you still are with you ME2 LI). I just can't help but get the sense that she really wants Shepard all to herself if possible. I don't know. It's something that's been bugging me for a while.

Anyways, another thing I've been thinking about is how Liara is a character that doesn't ever really talk about herself. She instead talks about over people, or other things. She talks about her work. She talks about her mother. She talks about her race. She talks about Saren. She talks about you. But when it comes to herself, she never really expresses her true feelings, and likes to keep herself private. She instead keeps them to herself.

When her mother died, she told Shepard she was over it. And we never got any further then that. When Shepard died, she never really expressed anything till Feron was about to quit on her. But even then, it was brief. And then Shepard came back, and she barely tells him anything. Just "It's been crazy. I wish I could come with you." And then later, Shepard has to force it out of her to express how she's still getting over mourning you. But again, it's brief. Same about the events in Redemption, and how she thinks she screwed it up, and how you'd hate her. You have to work at it just to get her to open up a little.

Even with the cabin scene, if you're her friend, the entire scene is more of talking about you, and your feelings. And how she wants to support you. Yet doesn't vent as well. Only if you're in a romance will she express her worries and needs right back.

So it seems being in a romance is the only way to get her to open up a little more. But even then, she's still a private person who keeps her feelings to herself.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 06 août 2011 - 02:45 .

[Kadzin]

Lizardviking wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

For those that screwed Sha'ira in Mass Effect 1, and we meet her again, do you think Liara will continue to act jealous around her?

Maybe a little if Shepard flirts again with her?

I think Liara would just blast her ass with biotics this time, she is not a shy asari scientist anymore after all

[kumquats]

TMA LIVE wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

For those that screwed Sha'ira in Mass Effect 1, and we meet her again, do you think Liara will continue to act jealous around her?

Probably more so now than she did then.

I think so too. Though after hearing what Drew said, I keep wondering if I should think otherwise. On one hand, he said she's open minded when it comes to sexual practice, and thus doesn't react negatively to the threesome suggestion. Yet she's jealous around the Consort, and reacts negatively to you moving on to a ME2 LI. So I'm still a bit confused. But I guess I'll have to take jlb's idea that she simple doesn't react horribly to the idea, yet probably doesn't want it. Because even though Liara being open minded about her sexuality makes perfects sense to me (and in a way makes me love her as a character even more), I can't imagine her wanting an open relationship (even though LOTSB might hint of that happening if you still are with you ME2 LI). I just can't help but get the sense that she really wants Shepard all to herself if possible. I don't know. It's something that's been bugging me for a while.

Anyways, another thing I've been thinking about is how Liara is a character that doesn't ever really talk about herself. She instead talks about over people, or other things. She talks about her work. She talks about her mother. She talks about her race. She talks about Saren. She talks about you. But when it comes to herself, she never really expresses her true feelings, and likes to keep herself private. She instead keeps them to herself.

When her mother died, she told Shepard she was over it. And we never got any further then that. When Shepard died, she never really expressed anything till Feron was about to quit on her. But even then, it was brief. And then Shepard came back, and she barely tells him anything. Just "It's been crazy. I wish I could come with you." And then later, Shepard has to force it out of her to express how she's still getting over mourning you. But again, it's brief. Same about the events in Redemption, and how she thinks she screwed it up, and how you'd hate her. You have to work at it just to get her to open up a little.

Even with the cabin scene, if you're her friend, the entire scene is more of talking about you, and your feelings. And how she wants to support you. Yet doesn't vent as well. Only if you're in a romance will she express her worries and needs right back.

So it seems being in a romance is the only way to get her to open up a little more. But even then, she's still a private person who keeps her feelings to herself.

Good posting, it's true Liara is a very private person and I always wonder how much Shepard knows when they enter a true "union". Does the Shepard character have more information about her then the we as the player?
The dialogue if you flirt with an ME2 character and do the LotSB DLC, heavly suggestion that Liara doesn't want anymore drama, like in ME1.

"But I don't want to cause trouble. No arguments, no choices."

She is still a maidan, but her level of maturity always surprises me.

[Robhuzz]

^A good post about Liara's personality indeed. I've always been a little bugged out by how little Liara says about herself. In ME1 she starts with "Me? I'm hardly interesting" or something like that. Indicating she doesn't really believes herself to be important and doesn't want to talk about herself too much.

With Liara's personality change and her vengeance quest for the Shadow Broker over, I really hope she'll open up a little more in ME3 now. Shepard/Liara have been together (sort of) for a while by now, as well as having shared some massive ups and down together. With their relationship more settled in ME3, I'm hoping for some more personal conversations, but also some really standard ones, talking about Liara for a change instead of Shepard.

Possible conversation topics for ME3 would be Liara's time between ME1 and ME2, though this could still be very painful for Liara and so should be handled with care. How exactly she teamed up with Cerberus. And I'd like to hear from Liara herself what exactly she wanted to say early in ME2, before Shepard cut her off. "Shepard..." "Liara, go. Now."

[jlb524]

Did Liara's personality change? I'm in the camp that thinks not...I always felt she had a ruthless side that we didn't get to see in ME1 b/c it needn't come out in those circumstances.  When she was faced with circumstances where it was a necessity...it 'came out' (though I believe it was always there).

Modifié par jlb524, 06 août 2011 - 10:43 .

[Robhuzz]

I think it's more the other way around. She's always been paragon but circumstances forced her to appear different than she actually was in ME2. I certainly don't think her renegade side was already there in ME1, nor do I think she's a genuine renegade after Lotsb. I feel most of it was just superficial. Only ME3 will tell if I'm right or wrong about this.

[jlb524]

Robhuzz wrote...

I think it's more the other way around. She's always been paragon but circumstances forced her to appear different than she actually was in ME2. I certainly don't think her renegade side was already there in ME1, nor do I think she's a genuine renegade after Lotsb. I feel most of it was just superficial. Only ME3 will tell if I'm right or wrong about this.

Not a Renegade...but Paragade.

also

[Robhuzz]

Putting a bullet in a dead guy after Shepard tells you to, doesn't seem to be too renegade to me. "Better safe than sorry" I'd say.

[jlb524]

Paragade...Paragade!!!!!!!!!!!

[kumquats]

jlb524 wrote...

Did Liara's personality change? I'm in the camp that thinks not...I always felt she had a ruthless side that we didn't get to see in ME1 b/c it needn't come out in those circumstances.  When she was faced with circumstances where it was a necessity...it 'came out' (though I believe it was always there).

I like to think that.
Even Ali Hillis said that she likes Liara because she has a lot of layers and she knows a lot more about Liara than any of us.
I think her ruthlessness was under the surface, it's just confusing for the player because the engine in ME1 with the dialogues suggest, that she is one of the most Paragon characters. The only one who can beat her is Kaidan.
Or correct me if Garrus as a Paragon can beat her or Tali, I'm not 100% sure.

But that would be an interesting question to ask her. Did Liara have that ruthless side to her character even back in ME1? Can anybody ask? I would really like to know the answer.

[Robhuzz]

jlb524 wrote...

Paragade...Paragade!!!!!!!!!!!

Whoops, missed that part somehow. Sorry/uploads_user/1070000/1069890/27986.gif

[jlb524]

kumquats wrote...

I like to think that.
Even Ali Hillis said that she likes Liara because she has a lot of layers and she knows a lot more about Liara than any of us.
I think her ruthlessness was under the surface, it's just confusing for the player because the engine in ME1 with the dialogues suggest, that she is one of the most Paragon characters. The only one who can beat her is Kaidan.
Or correct me if Garrus as a Paragon can beat her or Tali, I'm not 100% sure.

But that would be an interesting question to ask her. Did Liara have that ruthless side to her character even back in ME1? Can anybody ask? I would really like to know the answer.

I think Kaidan and a 'softened and romanced' Ashley beats Liara in the Paragon thing.

I think anyone that is willing to travel with a Spectre and mess up his/her enemies is a bit ruthless XD

Also, I feel that Liara has always been emotionally 'cold' but not necessarily in a 'bad' way.  She's just a 'head first' person, the heart comes next.  But with Shepard (romanced), the heart and head thing mix up and that brings some confusion to her...she does love Shepard and want to be with her/him...but I believe if given a 'galaxy vs. LI' decision she'd want you to save the galaxy.  But without that decision, she wants to get the job done and then spend her time with Shepard as much as possible.   I don't see her being sentimental though.

Modifié par jlb524, 06 août 2011 - 11:19 .

[Kadzin]

kumquats wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Did Liara's personality change? I'm in the camp that thinks not...I always felt she had a ruthless side that we didn't get to see in ME1 b/c it needn't come out in those circumstances.  When she was faced with circumstances where it was a necessity...it 'came out' (though I believe it was always there).

I like to think that.
Even Ali Hillis said that she likes Liara because she has a lot of layers and she knows a lot more about Liara than any of us.
I think her ruthlessness was under the surface, it's just confusing for the player because the engine in ME1 with the dialogues suggest, that she is one of the most Paragon characters. The only one who can beat her is Kaidan.
Or correct me if Garrus as a Paragon can beat her or Tali, I'm not 100% sure.

But that would be an interesting question to ask her. Did Liara have that ruthless side to her character even back in ME1? Can anybody ask? I would really like to know the answer.

I think the only time you get any sort of Renegade responses out of Liara, is if you have Kaidan with you on the squad.
I can understand why Liara had to toughen up and become ruthless.
It was basicly to survive.
She was very naive in ME1 and then she had basicly everything fall apart right in front of her:
1. Love of her life, killed
2. Team, disbanned
3. Body of Shepard, stolen

She had to grow up fast in order to keep going, that's why we get a much more mature and darker Liara in ME1.
However I personally like to think that this change was not permanent, it is especially clear to see how she was suffering emotionally because of the choices she made after the Broker is dead. At least I like to think that, I'm sure the Renegade fans of Liara would disagree with me

[jlb524]

Kadzin wrote...

She was very naive in ME1 and then she had basicly everything fall apart right in front of her:
1. Love of her life, killed
2. Team, disbanned
3. Body of Shepard, stolen

She had to grow up fast in order to keep going, that's why we get a much more mature and darker Liara in ME1.
However I personally like to think that this change was not permanent, it is especially clear to see how she was suffering emotionally because of the choices she made after the Broker is dead. At least I like to think that, I'm sure the Renegade fans of Liara would disagree with me

I'm going to disagree with this.

First, you have to give her 'naivety' some scope...was she completely naive or just naive to human social interactions?

Also, her life began to change when her mother died, not when the 'love of her life' bit the dust (as not every Shepard romances her).

I also think she was quite grown up in ME1...I think she went through the 'growing up' process when she defied Beneizia and struck out on her own accord to become an archeaologist for 50 years and fended off merchs.  I don't think she's necessarily more 'mature' in ME2, but I think the situation she found herself in brought out a side to Liara that she always possessed.

She does still 'feel' in regards to the whole deal, so there definitely is an emotional element.   But like I said, she's a 'head first' person and can push that aside to accomplish her goals. 

[jlb524]

I will admit that I have a strange bias when it comes to Liara. I honestly want her to end up as the most awesome/powerful/badass being in the galaxy even if it compromises my Shepard's romance with her. At this point in time, I care more about her overall character development than her romance with Shepard.

I'm not sure what kind of Liara fan that makes me though XD

[Nerevar-as]

jlb524 wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

I think it's more the other way around. She's always been paragon but circumstances forced her to appear different than she actually was in ME2. I certainly don't think her renegade side was already there in ME1, nor do I think she's a genuine renegade after Lotsb. I feel most of it was just superficial. Only ME3 will tell if I'm right or wrong about this.

Not a Renegade...but Paragade.

also

That one. It was weird as up to then Liara was the Paragon in the Kaidan - Liara squad (she speaks for the Rachni for instance), and then they switch here. The Council choice felt very OOC for her.

[kumquats]

jlb524 wrote...

I think Kaidan and a 'softened and romanced' Ashley beats Liara in the Paragon thing.

I think anyone that is willing to travel with a Spectre and mess up his/her enemies is a bit ruthless XD

Also, I feel that Liara has always been emotionally 'cold' but not necessarily in a 'bad' way.  She's just a 'head first' person, the heart comes next.  But with Shepard (romanced), the heart and head thing mix up and that brings some confusion to her...she does love Shepard and want to be with her/him...but I believe if given a 'galaxy vs. LI' decision she'd want you to save the galaxy.  But without that decision, she wants to get the job done and then spend her time with Shepard as much as possible.   I don't see her being sentimental though.

You can do that with Ashley? I didn't know that, I have to check that out if I have time.

I think that's an excellent description of Liara. I like that interpretation. 

[Vyse_Fina]

kumquats wrote...

She is still a maidan, but her level of maturity always surprises me.

She is over 100 years old... It'd be more surprising if she acted like a human teenager...

[Kadzin]

jlb524 wrote...

Kadzin wrote...

She was very naive in ME1 and then she had basicly everything fall apart right in front of her:
1. Love of her life, killed
2. Team, disbanned
3. Body of Shepard, stolen

She had to grow up fast in order to keep going, that's why we get a much more mature and darker Liara in ME1.
However I personally like to think that this change was not permanent, it is especially clear to see how she was suffering emotionally because of the choices she made after the Broker is dead. At least I like to think that, I'm sure the Renegade fans of Liara would disagree with me

I'm going to disagree with this.

First, you have to give her 'naivety' some scope...was she completely naive or just naive to human social interactions?

Also, her life began to change when her mother died, not when the 'love of her life' bit the dust (as not every Shepard romances her).

I also think she was quite grown up in ME1...I think she went through the 'growing up' process when she defied Beneizia and struck out on her own accord to become an archeaologist for 50 years and fended off merchs.  I don't think she's necessarily more 'mature' in ME2, but I think the situation she found herself in brought out a side to Liara that she always possessed.

She does still 'feel' in regards to the whole deal, so there definitely is an emotional element.   But like I said, she's a 'head first' person and can push that aside to accomplish her goals. 

As this is a Liara fan thread, I assumed that people romanced her

I disagree with the statement that she is very mature in ME1, it becomes very clear through her dialogue that she is still very much a teenager, her fascination with the CItadel, her social awkwardsness and random remarks as well as elevator banter with other squadmates.
In ME2 she actually sounds like she has grown up, her dialogue is different, no more airheadness in it. And LotSB underlined that.

[kumquats]

Vyse_Fina wrote...

kumquats wrote...

She is still a maidan, but her level of maturity always surprises me.

She is over 100 years old... It'd be more surprising if she acted like a human teenager...

You do know what other asari maidens do at the same age?
Comparing asari with humans doesn't work.
There are a different species, no matter how human they may seem.

[Robhuzz]

As this is a Liara fan thread, I assumed that people romanced her
I disagree with the statement that she is very mature in ME1, it becomes very clear through her dialogue that she is still very much a teenager, her fascination with the CItadel, her social awkwardsness and random remarks as well as elevator banter with other squadmates.In ME2 she actually sounds like she has grown up, her dialogue is different, no more airheadness in it. And LotSB underlined that.

I'm also a fan of Garrus, though I never romanced him (or anyone else aside from Liara for that matter)

Liara is very mature for an Asari her age, even in ME1. While other Asari don't know what they want at this age and instead join a merc band or strip in a bar for a few 100 years, Liara was dead set on something she knew she wanted. She became fascinated by the Protheans at an early age, and with a steely resolve, told her mother she was going to do just that, where normal Asari don't even think about those kinds of things at that age.

Her fascination with the Citadel is understandable as she's obsessed with all things prothean (and at the time it is still believed the citadel is of prothean origin). Her social awkwardness as well as her random remarks are a result of spending most of her adult life (Asari are believed to be legally adult at the age of 55 - 60) in solitude while studying dig sites. She simply never developed social skills. That does not make her less mature.


Edit: @Those who use the pc console from time to time. I've just started a new playthrough and I've tried out the flycam a few times during cutscenes. Problem is, when you turn if off again, the cutscene is basically ruined because it doesn't go back to cinematic view. Is there a command I can use to fix the cutscene again at this point?

Modifié par Robhuzz, 06 août 2011 - 12:39 .

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

I will admit that I have a strange bias when it comes to Liara. I honestly want her to end up as the most awesome/powerful/badass being in the galaxy even if it compromises my Shepard's romance with her. At this point in time, I care more about her overall character development than her romance with Shepard.

I'm not sure what kind of Liara fan that makes me though XD

Yeah, she's definitely head first. When you try to romance her, she the one that goes "I'm not sure we're ready for this with all that's happening". And Shepard could be like "Well, I'm ready". And she's like "Too bad".

Then in ME2, it's business first. I can't come with you. I got debts to repay. How can I help you, information wise?

Then in LOTSB, being the Shadow Broker comes first. It's more important then being with Shepard.

So, in ME3, do you think she'll have to choose between duty over Shepard?

[Kadzin]

Robhuzz wrote...
I'm also a fan of Garrus, though I never romanced him (or anyone else aside from Liara for that matter)

Liara is very mature for an Asari her age, even in ME1. While other Asari don't know what they want at this age and instead join a merc band or strip in a bar for a few 100 years, Liara was dead set on something she knew she wanted. She became fascinated by the Protheans at an early age, and with a steely resolve, told her mother she was going to do just that, where normal Asari don't even think about those kinds of things at that age.

Her fascination with the Citadel is understandable as she's obsessed with all things prothean (and at the time it is still believed the citadel is of prothean origin). Her social awkwardness as well as her random remarks are a result of spending most of her adult life (Asari are believed to be legally adult at the age of 55 - 60) in solitude while studying dig sites. She simply never developed social skills. That does not make her less mature.

I agree that Liara is more mature then other Asari, I still think that she sounds and acts like a teenager more then full grown adult.
That is however just my oppinion, so please do not get offended by it.
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