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[Wulfram]

Liara in ME1 is travelling the galaxy having adventures. Which is normal Maiden stage Asari stuff.

[Robhuzz]

TMA LIVE wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I will admit that I have a strange bias when it comes to Liara. I honestly want her to end up as the most awesome/powerful/badass being in the galaxy even if it compromises my Shepard's romance with her. At this point in time, I care more about her overall character development than her romance with Shepard.

I'm not sure what kind of Liara fan that makes me though XD

Yeah, she's definitely head first. When you try to romance her, she the one that goes "I'm not sure we're ready for this with all that's happening". And Shepard could be like "Well, I'm ready". And she's like "Too bad".

Then in ME2, it's business first. I can't come with you. I got debts to repay. How can I help you, information wise?

Then in LOTSB, being the Shadow Broker comes first. It's more important then being with Shepard.

So, in ME3, do you think she'll have to choose between duty over Shepard?

That all depends on how ME3 turns out. I fully expect the shadow broker base to be destroyed after a while, which leaves Liara with nowhere to go but with Shepard. In ME2 she´s got her info network to help Shepard, in Lotsb she´s got the Shadow Broker Network. In ME3, the duty falls on Shepard and Liara is there to help him (sort of). This said, I think it will be less 'duty first' for Liara. I suppose it would also help their romance that there's a high chance for both of them to get killed during ME3 (at least in their minds) so I expect this to be noticable in their behaviour. 

Would I like Liara to give Shepard a kiss every time they talked? Well I'd be lying if I said no but that's not the theme of ME3 so I doubt we'll be seeing too much of that. In short, I think considering the circumstances, Liara will have much less of a 'duty comes first' attitude for the simple reason she probably doesn't believe she and Shepard will survive. 

[kumquats]

Wulfram wrote...

Liara in ME1 is travelling the galaxy having adventures. Which is normal Maiden stage Asari stuff.

Sure, if you ignore the part where she is working for 50 years and researching a remote dig site.
That's not normal asari maiden stuff.
She is mature for her age, but not mature like an asari who is 400 years old.

It's just incredible hard to compare the maiden stage with a human teenager.

Which parents would encourage their children to dance the night away in a bar and join a merc band?
By human standarts something like this would seem irresponsible.
That's why I don't like the comparison. It's a completley different culture.

[TMA LIVE]

Well, ME3 is going to be a war story. And genocide takes years. For the Protheans, I think it was over 100. And like a war story, despite the ongoing deaths, holocaust, and massacres, soldiers still try to find time to have fun with friends. I imagine lovers do the same. To stay sane, hopeful, and willing to keep fighting for a better future, despite how bleak the world may be.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 06 août 2011 - 01:11 .

[Kadzin]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Well, ME3 is going to be a war story. And genocide takes years. For the Protheans, I think it was over 100. And like a war story, despite the ongoing deaths, holocaust, and massacres, soldiers still try to find time to have fun with friends. I imagine lovers do the same. To stay sane, hopeful, and willing to keep fighting for a better future, despite how bleak the world may be.

I do hope that ME3 does introduce some side stories and breaks from the constant shadow of Reaper opression, just like the previous installments in the series there should be time to stop and go dance in a bar or shoot vermin with a rocket launcher, even if the fate of the galaxy depends on you.

[Wulfram]

kumquats wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Liara in ME1 is travelling the galaxy having adventures. Which is normal Maiden stage Asari stuff.

Sure, if you ignore the part where she is working for 50 years and researching a remote dig site.
That's not normal asari maiden stuff.

The maiden stage is " is marked by the drive to explore and experience. Most young asari are curious and restless." which very much fits with Liara's pre Shepard life of travelling the wild and dangerous fringes of the galaxy studying Prothean ruins.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

^ One can say she redirected that restlessness and curiosity into tasks that are more meaningful / worthy that which also provided her the seclusion she desired.

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...

So, in ME3, do you think she'll have to choose between duty over Shepard?

In ME3, her duty will be helping Shepard stop the Reapers. 

So...not really....they will spend loads of time together.

[kumquats]

Wulfram wrote...
The maiden stage is " is marked by the drive to explore and experience. Most young asari are curious and restless." which very much fits with Liara's pre Shepard life of travelling the wild and dangerous fringes of the galaxy studying Prothean ruins.

Yes that part is correct, but going to a university and learning does that fit the description of exploring and experience?
I already said, the traveling and fighting is very much maiden stuff, but don't ignore the rest, she had a life before going to the dig sites.

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

So, in ME3, do you think she'll have to choose between duty over Shepard?

In ME3, her duty will be helping Shepard stop the Reapers. 

So...not really....they will spend loads of time together.

But after ME3, do you think they'd have to seperate based off duty? Similar to Anderson and Kahlee? That instead of trying to stay together, they'd have to seperate based off duty?

Like do you think Liara will always choose duty first when given the option? That she'll never choose otherwise?

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 06 août 2011 - 02:02 .

[Kadzin]

TMA LIVE wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

So, in ME3, do you think she'll have to choose between duty over Shepard?

In ME3, her duty will be helping Shepard stop the Reapers. 

So...not really....they will spend loads of time together.

But after ME3, do you think they'd have to seperate based off duty? Similar to Anderson and Kahlee? That instead of trying to stay together, they'd have to seperate based off duty?

Like do you think Liara will always choose duty first when given the option? That she'll never choose otherwise?

I'd like to think that Liara would choose Shepard over her duty, but from what we learned she might sacrifice that in order to fulfil her duties. She is not a selfish person, she even asks Shepard when she thinks she is being selfish.
It's sad really, I really do want the "marriage, old age, and lots of little blue children" option to be available.

[Robhuzz]

Kadzin wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

So, in ME3, do you think she'll have to choose between duty over Shepard?

In ME3, her duty will be helping Shepard stop the Reapers. 

So...not really....they will spend loads of time together.

But after ME3, do you think they'd have to seperate based off duty? Similar to Anderson and Kahlee? That instead of trying to stay together, they'd have to seperate based off duty?

Like do you think Liara will always choose duty first when given the option? That she'll never choose otherwise?

I'd like to think that Liara would choose Shepard over her duty, but from what we learned she might sacrifice that in order to fulfil her duties. She is not a selfish person, she even asks Shepard when she thinks she is being selfish.
It's sad really, I really do want the "marriage, old age, and lots of little blue children" option to be available.

Like Jlb said, in ME3 it's sort of Liara's duty to aid Shepard and be at his/her side, like she wanted all along. After ME3, supposedly the reapers are beaten, be it after heavy losses, their duty is over. They can help rebuild the colonies, travel the galaxy together, whatever. Non romanced Liara and Shepard will probably go their seperate ways, romanced Liara/Shepard, not so much.

At this point I'd settle for an ending where Shepard and Liara at at least together. A human marriage or asari bondmate ceremony would be really nice afterwards but does it really matter all that much? As long as they don't get killed or Shepard receives and ending a la Revan, I guess I'm happy.

On 2nd thought, both of them getting killed would actually be better than a Revan ending. I really wouldn't want Shepard to say goodbye to Liara and head off into deep space, never to be seen or heard from again...

Modifié par Robhuzz, 06 août 2011 - 03:09 .

[Robhuzz]

^In her ME2 cameo it's exacting revenge on the Shadow Broker. After Lotsb it's finding a way to stop the reapers in the Shadow Broker's archives, in ME3 it'll (probably) be helping Shepard stop the reapers, by any means necessary.

[TMA LIVE]

I'd kind of want to get married. More as a way of saying "Even if we die, at least we were everything we could have been. No regrets. No wishfully thinking. You were the one. And there will be no other. We're family." Also, marriage can be seen as confirming to Liara that there will always be a future for them.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 06 août 2011 - 03:57 .

[Wulfram]

kumquats wrote...

Wulfram wrote...
The maiden stage is " is marked by the drive to explore and experience. Most young asari are curious and restless." which very much fits with Liara's pre Shepard life of travelling the wild and dangerous fringes of the galaxy studying Prothean ruins.

Yes that part is correct, but going to a university and learning does that fit the description of exploring and experience?

For someone of an academic bent, yes, certainly.

[Robhuzz]

jreezy wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

^In her ME2 cameo it's exacting revenge on the Shadow Broker. After Lotsb it's finding a way to stop the reapers in the Shadow Broker's archives, in ME3 it'll (probably) be helping Shepard stop the reapers, by any means necessary.

Oh those? I knew about that but I read a few posts that Liara had some sort of obligations that would interfere with her relationship with Shepard after ME3. I was wondering where that idea came from.

That was a simple hunch. Duty has always stood in the way of their relationship, some were simply wondering whether that would continue in ME3.
I explained earlier how I feel there are no more obligations to keep Liara and Shepard apart after ME3. The big bad evil is gone (or should be). Now it's a time to mourn what you've lost and rebuild. For Shepard and Liara that means trying to build a future together, whatever that means for them. Be that marriage and a quiet life or travel and explore together, who can say?

[Kadzin]

TMA LIVE wrote...

I'd kind of want to get married. More as a way of saying "Even if we die, at least we were everything we could have been. No regrets. No wishfully thinking. You were the one. And there will be no other. We're family." Also, marriage can be seen as confirming to Liara that there will always be a future for them.

Happy thoughts ^^

[Erani]

I was thinking...if Liara ends up with Feron when not romanced (only have 1 of those playthroughs LOL)...I'd still rage. It's like, "she's not mine but whatever, stay away you!" 
Edit: ^ WAAAAAAAAAHHHHH :wub::wub:<3<3<3:wizard:

Modifié par Erani, 06 août 2011 - 04:58 .

[TMA LIVE]

I'd be ok with it for non-romance Shepard. They got chemistry.

But I'll always steal her from him. lol

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 06 août 2011 - 05:00 .

[Kadzin]

TMA LIVE wrote...

I'd be ok with it for non-romance Shepard. They got chemistry.

But I'll always steal her from him. lol

You can't steal something that was yours to begin with.
Go away Feron >_<

[Vyse_Fina]

kumquats wrote...

Vyse_Fina wrote...

kumquats wrote...

She is still a maidan, but her level of maturity always surprises me.

She is over 100 years old... It'd be more surprising if she acted like a human teenager...

You do know what other asari maidens do at the same age?

Comparing asari with humans doesn't work.
There are a different species, no matter how human they may seem.

*sigh*
I should have known I wouldn't get away with a comment on such a detail without writing an essay to justify it
I don't really feel like doing that though especially because I feel like we are trying to make the same point.

You say she is a maiden and Asari are generally immature during that stage, while I say that it is no surprise for someone with 100 years of experience to not be immature. I think you are making a comaprison like "Asari between 1-200 = human between 1-20" while you probably think I am trying to compare a 100 year old human to a 100 year old Asari.

My point is just that she is over 100 and even though she may be adventerous (traveing with and romancing  a spectre and becomming the new Shadowbroker and whatnot) she has 100 years of experience. No matter what race you belong to, you live through things during such a long time and gain experience from doing so. Even if other Asari prefer to work as mercenaries or strippers at that age, because they consider this more exciting I don't see how that qualifies them as "immature".

To put it another way: Have you met any Asari, maiden or not, in any of the ME games, that struck you as significantly immature?

Anyway as I mentioned before, it's a minor detail and there is no point arguing about this...
...

Why did Iwrite this post again? 

Modifié par Vyse_Fina, 06 août 2011 - 05:13 .

[Robhuzz]

Erani wrote...

I was thinking...if Liara ends up with Feron when not romanced (only have 1 of those playthroughs LOL)...I'd still rage. It's like, "she's not mine but whatever, stay away you!" 

I have no playthrough in which I didn't romance Liara. How am I going to steal her from Feron?
Oh wait...

[Champion_of_Tzeentch]

jlb524 wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

That one. It was weird as up to then Liara was the Paragon in the Kaidan - Liara squad (she speaks for the Rachni for instance), and then they switch here. The Council choice felt very OOC for her.

Am I the only one who thinks the council choice is weird? I mean Shepard had no way to know what would happen if he wasted more time, probably costing the lives of countless civilians on the citadel just to save the Destiny Ascension. On my first playthrough I thought this might be a right/wrong choice with delay causing critical mission failure. Liara agreeing with me reassured me, getting renegade points however did not...
Still not sure what to do with that for my ultimate canon playthrough.

Modifié par Champion_of_Tzeentch, 06 août 2011 - 06:28 .