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#30026
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Kilshrek wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

Make it 2 million and you have a deal!

Also.. as far as the endings discussion goes, it's completely relevant when it involves Liara, and wanting an end with Liara is relevant... /uploads_user/1070000/1069890/28019.gif


Except that these discussions produce nothing positive, and there are already plenty of threads out there discussing every minute detail of the ending. Because the endings have a tangential relationship to Liara doesn't mean they must be discussed here, there are plenty of other threads fully able to fulfil this role.

So, I'm asking everyone, very nicely, to take the ending discussions to one of the many available threads, and allow the focus of this thread to be Liara, and not Liara in relation to the ending.

I'm no mod, and I have no powers of anything, I'm just trying to keep the thread from descending into bickering, and then getting shut.

And all the sexual innuendo and virtual ****** that is so rampant in this thread, all the time, is producing something positive?
Discussion of the ending here has been pretty civil, which is why some choose to discuss it here rather than in a place where the pro-ender people and the most passionate new-end people insult and troll everyone else they don't agree with. So to be frank, sorry but no, I will not take my discussion of them elsewhere, the topic has a direct impact on my experience with Liara. They are relevant to say the least.

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Tyranniac wrote...
1. When did your Shepard first fall for Liara?


When she got a good view of Liara's bum, when running from a collapsing Prothean ruin. :P

I kid. No, it's not that easy is it, when exactly you realise these sort of things?

Tyranniac wrote...
2. Did you romance Liara on your first playthrough?

Of course!

Tyranniac wrote...
3. How did your Shepard feel about Liara's treatment of Shep on Illium? (pre-LotSB)

:huh::mellow::blush::(

Tyranniac wrote...
4. What did your Shepard tell Liara about how she/he felt in the cabin convo after LotSB? Worried/Hpeful/Frustrated?

Worried.

Tyranniac wrote...
5. Did your Shepard visit Liara before going back to Earth to stand trial?

Well.... 6 months?

Tyranniac wrote...
6. Who are Liara's closest friends in your headcanon?

Garrus and Tali, even though she never acknowledged them on Illium. Woman.

Tyranniac wrote...
7. How many blue babies should there be? None? One? Five?


Two. Medea and.... we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.

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Tyranniac wrote...

 Okay, that's it. I'm bringing this thread back on track if it kills me. I have a strong dislike for the ending, but there are indeed other places to discuss this, so let's get back to talking about Liara, people! Questions!

1. When did your Shepard first fall for Liara?

2. Did you romance Liara on your first playthrough?

3. How did your Shepard feel about Liara's treatment of Shep on Illium? (pre-LotSB)

4. What did your Shepard tell Liara about how she/he felt in the cabin convo after LotSB? Worried/Hpeful/Frustrated?

5. Did your Shepard visit Liara before going back to Earth to stand trial?

6. Who are Liara's closest friends in your headcanon?

7. How many blue babies should there be? None? One? Five?

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Ok all of these are for my canon Tiberius
1.  The Goddess you must think i'm dense convo
2. Yes
3.  felt kinda shafted but its cool I mean i was dead for 2 years and it was still better than getting beat on by the VS
4.  Worried about the Reapers and of course i reaffirmed the relationship
5.  Of course i kinda based out of Halgaz post SM in 2
6.  I want to say Wrex, Garrus, and Tali you know them aliens gots to stick together.  Plus they are my go to squaddies 
7. two I already have them in my fics Lily Benezia and Medea (def didn't steal from Kil:devil:)
*lets add another question*
8.  do you wish for anything else romance wise in ME3
8 ans:  yes I want to hug her after Thessia

Sorry had to put that last one in there:D

Modifié par moreeman06, 08 avril 2012 - 10:56 .


#30029
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I can't help but think that twins would be incredibly cute, so 3. Not right away, but I can't see Liara and Shep not wanting kids 50 years from now.

#30030
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AlexMBrennan wrote...

I can't help but think that twins would be incredibly cute, so 3. Not right away, but I can't see Liara and Shep not wanting kids 50 years from now.


Yeah, help rebuild the galaxy, then take some time off to explore the galaxy in relative peace, and then settle down. An awesome way to finish the story, as it were.

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Tyranniac wrote...

 Okay, that's it. I'm bringing this thread back on track if it kills me. I have a strong dislike for the ending, but there are indeed other places to discuss this, so let's get back to talking about Liara, people! Questions!

1. When did your Shepard first fall for Liara?

2. Did you romance Liara on your first playthrough?

3. How did your Shepard feel about Liara's treatment of Shep on Illium? (pre-LotSB)

4. What did your Shepard tell Liara about how she/he felt in the cabin convo after LotSB? Worried/Hpeful/Frustrated?

5. Did your Shepard visit Liara before going back to Earth to stand trial?

6. Who are Liara's closest friends in your headcanon?

7. How many blue babies should there be? None? One? Five?
 


1) Late on in ME1, Liara was too quiet and timid to notice til then.
2) No, but I did on my 2nd, never looked back.
3) I thought it was pretty cold! She changed... :unsure:
4) Worried 
5) You can do this? Or is this a headcannon? If it is a headcannon then no, not since LotSB save for some... private messages ;)
6) Garrus, Dr. Chakwas, Kaiden - she also has respect for Tali and Wrex but doesn't really talk to many others.
7) 3

#30032
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1. Fairly immediately.  Started realising they'd got it bad when they found themselves pleased to be called an "interesting specimen for an in depth study"

2. Yes!

3. Pretty upset.  Went and got drunk at Aethyta's bar.

4. Haven't played LotSB (Heresy, I know)

5. Not sure.  I've never really pinned down how exactly that happened.

6. Garrus and Tali I guess

7. Just the one

Modifié par Wulfram, 08 avril 2012 - 11:07 .


#30033
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1. When did your Shepard first fall for Liara?
Technically in ME3 (first one I ever played) after Palaven's moon mission.
In my full runthrough, right after I met her, on the Normandy. 

2. Did you romance Liara on your first playthrough?
Yup

3. How did your Shepard feel about Liara's treatment of Shep on Illium? (pre-LotSB)
Understanding but I still wish she could have joined me.

4. What did your Shepard tell Liara about how she/he felt in the cabin convo after LotSB? Worried/Hpeful/Frustrated?
I has no monies for LotSB :c

5. Did your Shepard visit Liara before going back to Earth to stand trial?
Yusss!

6. Who are Liara's closest friends in your headcanon?
Garrus and James

7. How many blue babies should there be? None? One? Five?
3 maybeh :wub:

Modifié par JustinC4, 08 avril 2012 - 11:09 .


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Tyranniac wrote...

 Okay, that's it. I'm bringing this thread back on track if it kills me. I have a strong dislike for the ending, but there are indeed other places to discuss this, so let's get back to talking about Liara, people! Questions!

1. When did your Shepard first fall for Liara?


Somewhere between Feros and Vimire my Shepard finally admits to himself that he has feelings for her.

2. Did you romance Liara on your first playthrough?


I actually did not. On my very first ME1 playthrough I romanced Ashley. In fact, I did not even speak once with either Kaidan or Liara! I completely forgot to check the Normandy's second floor due to the conviently placed elevator! :pinched:

3. How did your Shepard feel about Liara's treatment of Shep on Illium? (pre-LotSB)


Angry, upset, confused, heartbroken and betrayed. Thought it was over between him and her after Illium.

4. What did your Shepard tell Liara about how she/he felt in the cabin convo after LotSB? Worried/Hpeful/Frustrated?


Worried. Afterall they had no idea on how to stop the Reapers, even after defeating the Collectors they were completely blind.

5. Did your Shepard visit Liara before going back to Earth to stand trial?

Of-course he did!

6. Who are Liara's closest friends in your headcanon?

The entire ME1 crew, with Kaidan and Chakwas being the closest. She also holds a great deal of respect for Miranda.

7. How many blue babies should there be? None? One? Five?


3.:innocent:

#30035
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Tyranniac wrote...

1. When did your Shepard first fall for Liara?


It was a bit later on in ME 1.

 2. Did you romance Liara on your first playthrough?


Yep

 3. How did your Shepard feel about Liara's treatment of Shep on Illium? (pre-LotSB)


Saddened, but understood. Losing someone by them dying then having them come back to life doesn't allow for things to go back the way they were so quickly. Takes time.

  4. What did your Shepard tell Liara about how she/he felt in the cabin convo after LotSB? Worried/Hpeful/Frustrated?


Was worried. 

 5. Did your Shepard visit Liara before going back to Earth to stand trial?


She did.

  6. Who are Liara's closest friends in your headcanon?


Tali and Garrus. 

7. How many blue babies should there be? None? One? Five?


Bit undecided, but probably leaning towards a smaller family. Perhaps one or two.

#30036
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Tyranniac wrote...

 Okay, that's it. I'm bringing this thread back on track if it kills me. I have a strong dislike for the ending, but there are indeed other places to discuss this, so let's get back to talking about Liara, people! Questions!

1. When did your Shepard first fall for Liara?

2. Did you romance Liara on your first playthrough?

3. How did your Shepard feel about Liara's treatment of Shep on Illium? (pre-LotSB)

4. What did your Shepard tell Liara about how she/he felt in the cabin convo after LotSB? Worried/Hopeful/Frustrated?

5. Did your Shepard visit Liara before going back to Earth to stand trial?

6. Who are Liara's closest friends in your headcanon?

7. How many blue babies should there be? None? One? Five?


Just realized I didn't answer myself, so here goes:

1. "Goddess, you must think I'm so dense" convo.

2. I did not. First playthrough was Kaidan. Liara on second playthrough and she's my favourite ever since.

3. Very hurt, thinking Liara wouldn't want to pick the relationship up again.

4. Frustrated. Am I the only one who picked frustrated here? My Shep was very annoyed at no-one believing her.

5. My Shep did visit her (and I do the LotSB cabin convo before SM so it's purely headcanon).

6. Garrus, Feron, Wrex.

7. I say three. Oldest will be Jennifer, as explained why in my ending fanfic. Other two will have asari names. Veya for middle one and probably Benezia Jr. for the youngest.

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Tyranniac wrote...

 Okay, that's it. I'm bringing this thread back on track if it kills me. I have a strong dislike for the ending, but there are indeed other places to discuss this, so let's get back to talking about Liara, people! Questions!

1. When did your Shepard first fall for Liara?

2. Did you romance Liara on your first playthrough?

3. How did your Shepard feel about Liara's treatment of Shep on Illium? (pre-LotSB)

4. What did your Shepard tell Liara about how she/he felt in the cabin convo after LotSB? Worried/Hpeful/Frustrated?

5. Did your Shepard visit Liara before going back to Earth to stand trial?

6. Who are Liara's closest friends in your headcanon?

7. How many blue babies should there be? None? One? Five?

1) When they melded for the first time when Liara was getting the beacon infomation from Shepard.  After that something was awaken in Leia and she didn't understand it at first, but she knew from that point on she had feelings for Liara.

2)Yes.  Leia had to choose between Kaidan and Liara.  Wonder who won?  ;)

3)Heartbroken and confused.  Until Liara told her what happened.  Then she understood.  She knew from the kiss that Liara still had feelings and was willing to be patient with her.  

4)Leia was completely honest.  "I'm tired, tired of dealing with Cerberus.  Tried of the Council ignoring me.  Tired of my closest friends not believing me."

5) Of course.  Even wrote a fic for it.  "Hard Choices"  I know shamless plug.

6)Garrus and Tali.  Outside of her love, Leia Shepard.  I forgot about Dr. Chakwas.  Yea, we finally got a first name for my favorite medical doctor.  Karin.  

7) Three  Kaja, Gaia, and Olivia are their names. 

Modifié par ladyvader, 08 avril 2012 - 11:14 .


#30038
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1. In the Stasis Bubble (yeah I had to make the joke) on Therum... he just found those dem eyes interesting
2. really need to ask that??:devil::devil:

3. 2 years have past until their last meet, so he reacted well she kissed him, and then he felt stupid because of her "hard work stuff" and after she cracked and revealed the SB stuff he was comprehensive towards her pain
4. Frustrated (Wulfram, you heretic!!:P:P)

5. Of course yes. in the whole ME2 after LotSB (which I do always just after my arrival to Illium) before every mission, main or quest, my Shep always pass first over Hagalaz to see her
6. She spent most of her old days on ME1 beetween shep's bed:wub::wub: or kicking asses with Tali, so I guess her, also with Dr. Chawkas.

7. It depends how they feel, but I guess at least 2 (Aynara and Morinth I guess lol)

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Tyranniac wrote...
1. When did your Shepard first fall for Liara?

Hard to say, though I guess it didn't take too long.

Tyranniac wrote...
2. Did you romance Liara on your first playthrough?

Of course!

Tyranniac wrote...
3. How did your Shepard feel about Liara's treatment of Shep on Illium? (pre-LotSB)

Irritated and frustrated.
After Liara's explanations she could understand somwehat but was very worried about Liara's obsession with the SB. And she was angry she couldn't do more to help at the time.

Tyranniac wrote...
4. What did your Shepard tell Liara about how she/he felt in the cabin convo after LotSB? Worried/Hpeful/Frustrated?

Worried

Tyranniac wrote...
5. Did your Shepard visit Liara before going back to Earth to stand trial?

She diddn't have the time / chance really once the Arrival incident happend. But she visited Liara shortly before going on that mission.

Tyranniac wrote...
6. Who are Liara's closest friends in your headcanon?

Garrus, possibly Feron

Tyranniac wrote...
7. How many blue babies should there be? None? One? Five?

One to three, but not immedeately.

Modifié par FdL_Ananas, 08 avril 2012 - 11:15 .


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Wulfram wrote...

4. Haven't played LotSB (Heresy, I know)


:o

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4. What did your Shepard tell Liara about how she/he felt in the cabin convo after LotSB? Worried/Hpeful/Frustrated?
I has no monies for LotSB :c

 

What a horrible fate! I offer sympathy. :crying:

ladyvader wrote...


4)Leia was completely honest.  "I'm tired, tired of dealing with Cerberus.  Tried of the Council ignoring me.  Tired of my closest friends not believing me."


A-ha! So I'm not the only one.

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www.youtube.com/watch

Perfect song for a 'mance.

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hollow22_ wrote...

*snip*

7. It depends how they feel, but I guess at least 2 (Aynara and Morinth I guess lol)


Morninth... still stuck on the AY thing aren't you:P

It's ok though Medea is a witch

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moreeman06 wrote...

hollow22_ wrote...

*snip*

7. It depends how they feel, but I guess at least 2 (Aynara and Morinth I guess lol)


Morninth... still stuck on the AY thing aren't you:P

It's ok though Medea is a witch


just hell... I love AY and Banshees haha but blue forever, don't worry

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#30044
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moreeman06 wrote...

Morninth... still stuck on the AY thing aren't you:P

It's ok though Medea is a witch


That better be your daughter Medea. Call my darling little Medea a witch and you're asking for a CAIN to the face. :P

#30045
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hollow22_ wrote...
7. It depends how they feel, but I guess at least 2 (Aynara and Morinth I guess lol)


Why would your Shepard name one of his or her daughters after a sociopathic serial killer? :huh:

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Sunnie22 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

What I'm saying is that if given a choice, you're not going to get anyone killed. It doesn't matter if they're optional, you're going to save the people that are closest to you unless you actually do want them to die. Like with the Suicide Mission.

What is so bad about giving players a choice? Is it so obscene for you to think that anyone would want things happier than you do?
I sense a lot of entitlement with your comments over the last couple weeks, especially when it comes to options people want that you clearly don't agree with. You got things your way already, yet you make eluding negative comments directed at anyone who wants it to end on a higher note. Is it really necessary, does it "really" cheapen your enjoyment of doom and gloom if teh option for a lighter end is available?


Well, it's a debate between do you want everything being a choice, or do you want the story Bioware wants to tell? Example, a movie has a certain ending, whether you like it or not. It's what the director or writer wanted for the experience. And though games are different in that we can personalize the experience with choices, we're still going down the path of what the creator's want. Not what we want. I guess it depends on what do you believe. Should everything be optional, or should we get the intended experience.

Except this is not a movie where the consumer has little or no investment when it's made. This is a long term series where the player has a significant investment of both time and money. Once you cross that investment threshold, comparing these games to a movie rather short sighted. When a company creates a "for profit" product, it's wise for that company to make try to make the majority of it's consumers happy. This isn't about art or artistic integrity, it's about a product that is offered as a commodity (yes it is an accurate term to use), a way to make a profit.
Again, why are YOU so against a choice for a different lighter and happier ending, even if it does not change the end you prefer that is already there? Are you so selfish that you think it's OK to get what you want and nobody else? Really?


It can be compared to movies, or even a TV series. People have invested in Lord of the Rings, or the Matrix, or Star Wars. Yes, we make choices to personalize the experience, but we still became Spectres because that's what the creators wanted us to do. We still joined Cerberus because that's what the creators wanted. Not us. We still interact with Liara, even though there's people that clearly didn't want that. We still got crap from the VS, even though some wanted them to make up, and join the Normandy in ME2. At the end of the day, even though we can personalize the experience, we're stuck going down the same path that was laid out. Including the endings. And the series is going to do where Bioware wants it to go. And whatever alternate choices we've been given in the past, we still only picked the choices they gave. The choices they wanted to give. And if this is how they want to end it, then that's their choice, since it's their product. It's your choice to buy it or not, and recommend it, or not recommend it. Or think it's broken. But if they want to fix it, it should be their choice, including how it's done. At least that's what I believe.

I'm only against a happy ending, where everyone, including the Geth and Shepard are alive, because I think it cheapens everything else. It makes everything that happened before in the past the way it was, because they didn't have a hero to make all the right choices. That that's what it all comes down to. Picking "right" choices. Because what isn't right gets you bad results.

Now on Shepard lives: the other thing I don't like is what people are willing to do the get that "Shepard Lives" ending. I really don't like that it's attached to killing the Geth. Not because you killed the Geth, but because a lot of people are probably picking that choice, because it equals Shepard living. Which I've actually seen. People changed their minds, and committed possible genocide, just because Shepard lives. And that because he lives, this is somehow the "right" ending. Not because they thought that was better choice of the three if Shepard's life wasn't apart of the deal. Even people used the Indoctrination Theory as a way to say that was the "right" choice, and others were Bioware tricking you. Which is a concept I don't like at all.

But enough of the ending. That's just my thoughts.

But that's just my opinion.

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Tyranniac wrote...

 Okay, that's it. I'm bringing this thread back on track if it kills me. I have a strong dislike for the ending, but there are indeed other places to discuss this, so let's get back to talking about Liara, people! Questions!

1. When did your Shepard first fall for Liara?

2. Did you romance Liara on your first playthrough?

3. How did your Shepard feel about Liara's treatment of Shep on Illium? (pre-LotSB)

4. What did your Shepard tell Liara about how she/he felt in the cabin convo after LotSB? Worried/Hpeful/Frustrated?

5. Did your Shepard visit Liara before going back to Earth to stand trial?

6. Who are Liara's closest friends in your headcanon?

7. How many blue babies should there be? None? One? Five?


1. her first conversation on board the Normandy (Shepard would make an interesting specimen for an in-depth study)
2. yes
3. confused. After Liara's explanations...worried
4. worried
5. of course!
6. Feron, Chakwas, Miranda, Garrus
7. one (Benezia)

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Kilshrek wrote...

moreeman06 wrote...

Morninth... still stuck on the AY thing aren't you:P

It's ok though Medea is a witch


That better be your daughter Medea. Call my darling little Medea a witch and you're asking for a CAIN to the face. :P


I was talking about the name itself not the daughters, both of our medeas are perfect little angels.  the greek character medea however was a witch married to Jason of the Argonauts who ended up killing her two sons as payback for Jason ditching her for a lovely young princess from a foreign land.  She then up and disapeared on a dragon/pegasus/unicorn/insert flying magical creature.  but as i said our little medeas are perfect angels:D

Edit:  @Hollow your AY and Banshee fascination is a little disturbing its like you enjoy seeing disfigured Asari or something.... I think we'll have to revoke your PETA membership I mean not even Maro is that f'ed up.... or is he:P 
don't worry we still love you  and i'll be home in like 20 min. hopefully if you want to do some MP

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Tyranniac wrote...

ladyvader wrote...


4)Leia was completely honest.  "I'm tired, tired of dealing with Cerberus.  Tried of the Council ignoring me.  Tired of my closest friends not believing me."


A-ha! So I'm not the only one.


No, I almost always pick that.  It's how most of my Shepard(s) feel at that time.  Renegade or Paragon Shep(s).  Leia is a pargaon that isn't afraid to get her hands dirty if she needs to.  Like telling a certain Sgt he is working to hard or head butting an uppty krogan. 

Liara might not head butt people, but Leia will do it for her.  I lol'ed so hard at Aethyta reply to that.  "Come on.  Not even a little bit?"  I kept thinking, I'll head butt them for you, Liara.  

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My original FemShep 'was' a cold hearted renegade, mission 1st every time, her own survival the main thing... until Liara

1. When did your Shepard first fall for Liara?
She became interested after the 1st melding. She'd never felt anything like it, but she wasnt sure what it was.

2. Did you romance Liara on your first playthrough?

Yes

3. How did your Shepard feel about Liara's treatment of Shep on Illium? (pre-LotSB)

That's when mine fell for her! Actually being rejected, and the feelings she had, made her realise she was in love, and had to do everything possible to survive the suicide mission and win her back.

4. What did your Shepard tell Liara about how she/he felt in the cabin convo after LotSB? Worried/Hpeful/Frustrated?

Frustrated

5. Did your Shepard visit Liara before going back to Earth to stand trial?

Normandy was parked at the Broker's base.

6. Who are Liara's closest friends in your headcanon?

Garrus, EDI and Joker

7. How many blue babies should there be? None? One? Five?
 
1 only child named Benezia