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[speedy111280]

Akernis wrote...

Kilshrek wrote...

Anyway, isn't it also probable that Aethyta actually left of her own free will, because she didn't want to affect Liara's development? She's exactly the sort with a damn tough outer shell, but a soft gooey centre. So she made up a few reasons for her and Benezia breaking up, and then went on to watch over Liara from the sidelines, as it were. By her own indirect admission, she's not exactly the finest role model. Although I do wonder how Liara's half sister grew up.

That was my thinking as well, that it wasn't Benezia that cut Aethyta out. But Aethyta who believed she would be no good at raising a child and left because she did not want to have Liara learning from her and rather from the Benezia whom she also said was "a hell of alot nicer than I am".
And I think Benezia kept quiet to Liara about it as it might be a bit difficult to explain to her daughter that her "father" left because she did not think she would be a good influence for Liara's upbringing.

It is probable but I'm not sure it's actually very likely Aethyta left on her own. Even though she was spying on Liara for the Matriarch's during ME2 & 3 that video of her that the Shadow Broker had of her staring at Liara's photo tell's lead's me to think that Aethyta wasn't stretching the truth when she told Shepard that Benezia ran off before Liara was born. If the other Matriarch's reactions to Aethyta's idea's were as harsh as she told us they were in ME2 and that wasn't just a story she told Shepard to justify working in that bar, I could see Benezia being embarrassed of Aethyta and not wanting her crazy ideas around their impressionable daughter.

Benezia may have been nicer than Aethyta when they were together but Aethyta likely knew that she had what it takes to raise a child since Liara isn't her only daughter but I could see where Benezia might change her mind about Aethyta being fit for parenthood because Liara is her only daughter.

[Tyranniac]

kumquats wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...
I'm very surprised by how few paragon Shepards there seems to be that expressed frustration in this conversation. Mine did. 

Edit: And of course it's a double post... 

Personally my Paragon always picks the hopeful part, because Paragons are delusional like that....
But that quizz was more about Shepard's who romance Liara.
My Paragon's girlfriend punshes him in the face.... most romantic moment in ME3. <3

I don't quite see why a paragon Shepard would be any more delusional than a renegade one.

Robhuzz wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...

kumquats wrote...

1. My Shep was always attracted to Kaidan and Liara. But she realized after Benezia's death, what Liara really meant to her.

2. No

3. Hawt. My Renegade fell for her all over again. (Where was my Renegade interrupt in that scene?!)

4. Frustrated. But my Shepard is constantly irritated by people. ^^ 

5. Yep. And my Shep was surprisingly soft. Killing 300.000 Batarians, overwhelmed her a little.

6. Garrus/Wrex and Feron. After ME3, Kaidan.

7. No child should have my Renegade as a mother, but I love to make her angry. Liara should give her one daughter for my amusement. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/devil.png[/smilie]

I'm very surprised by how few paragon Shepards there seems to be that expressed frustration in this conversation. Mine did. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png[/smilie]

Edit: And of course it's a double post... [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/pinched.png[/smilie]

Most of my Sheps are paragon and I think I picked the furstration line a few times. It's the one in which he says he's tired of the council not listening to him and his friends not believing him if I remember it right?

ETA: TOP. Don't care how many times I've posted this one by now. It's worth a repost.[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

 

Yeah, that's the correct line.

Also, I agree, just keep posting this picture. 

[Kilshrek]

speedy111280 wrote...

It is probable but I'm not sure it's actually very likely Aethyta left on her own. Even though she was spying on Liara for the Matriarch's during ME2 & 3 that video of her that the Shadow Broker had of her staring at Liara's photo tell's lead's me to think that Aethyta wasn't stretching the truth when she told Shepard that Benezia ran off before Liara was born. If the other Matriarch's reactions to Aethyta's idea's were as harsh as she told us they were in ME2 and that wasn't just a story she told Shepard to justify working in that bar, I could see Benezia being embarrassed of Aethyta and not wanting her crazy ideas around their impressionable daughter.

Benezia may have been nicer than Aethyta when they were together but Aethyta likely knew that she had what it takes to raise a child since Liara isn't her only daughter but I could see where Benezia might change her mind about Aethyta being fit for parenthood because Liara is her only daughter.

That's being a bit unfair on Benezia, isn't it? Like I said, it could be that Aethyta was looking to protect Liara from herself(Aethyta), and thus agreed to separate from Benezia. If Benezia really did cut Aethyta off like that, would they really have kept in contact in the manner which Aethyta suggests? It seems Aethyta had more of a say in Liara's upbringing than she let on, it's just that she wasn't a prominent figure in Liara's life is all.

Anyway, Aethyta admits later on that she takes on the crap bar jobs to keep tabs on Liara. So, laughing the blue off her ass may have been an exagerration. I just don't buy Aethyta's story wholesale, and as Joker said waaaaaaaay back, you shouldn't believe the official story.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Tyranniac wrote...

 Okay, that's it. I'm bringing this thread back on track if it kills me. I have a strong dislike for the ending, but there are indeed other places to discuss this, so let's get back to talking about Liara, people! Questions!

1. When did your Shepard first fall for Liara?

2. Did you romance Liara on your first playthrough?

3. How did your Shepard feel about Liara's treatment of Shep on Illium? (pre-LotSB)

4. What did your Shepard tell Liara about how she/he felt in the cabin convo after LotSB? Worried/Hpeful/Frustrated?

5. Did your Shepard visit Liara before going back to Earth to stand trial?

6. Who are Liara's closest friends in your headcanon?

7. How many blue babies should there be? None? One? Five?

1) I would say when she first saw Liara.

2) Hell yes.

3) She was nervous.

4) Hopeful.

5) Yes.

6) Garrus and Ashly because Liara knows that Shepard isn't interested in them romantically. In my head canon  Liara does have a slight jealously streak in her. Because she feels that she is not as beautiful as other asari like Samara or human bisexual or lesbian females like Chambers, Allers, and Treynor. Even though Shepard feels that Liara is the most beautiful asari in the galaxy.

7) 1 asari baby and 1 human baby.

Modifié par Cyberstrike nTo, 09 avril 2012 - 12:49 .

[Tyranniac]

Cyberstrike nTo wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...

 Okay, that's it. I'm bringing this thread back on track if it kills me. I have a strong dislike for the ending, but there are indeed other places to discuss this, so let's get back to talking about Liara, people! Questions!

1. When did your Shepard first fall for Liara?

2. Did you romance Liara on your first playthrough?

3. How did your Shepard feel about Liara's treatment of Shep on Illium? (pre-LotSB)

4. What did your Shepard tell Liara about how she/he felt in the cabin convo after LotSB? Worried/Hpeful/Frustrated?

5. Did your Shepard visit Liara before going back to Earth to stand trial?

6. Who are Liara's closest friends in your headcanon?

7. How many blue babies should there be? None? One? Five?

1) I would say when she first saw Liara.

2) Hell yes.

3) She was nervous.

4) Hopeful.

5) Yes.

6) Garrus and Ashly because Liara knows that Shepard isn't interested in them romantically. Liara does have a jealously streak.

7) 1 asari baby and 1 human baby.

Oh? Adoption or artifical impregnation?

Either way to me that seems like a cruel thing to do to Liara, considering how short-lived the child would be, but that's just me.

[Wulfram]

I don't have LotSB, but I'd probably pick the "frustration" line with my Paragon Shep. Generally, Liara is the one person my Shepard really lets her guard down with - everyone else, there's a sense that as their Commander she can't show too much weakness or doubt. But she has no defences where Liara is concerned, and thus can't really be anything except honest.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Tyranniac wrote...

Cyberstrike nTo wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...

 Okay, that's it. I'm bringing this thread back on track if it kills me. I have a strong dislike for the ending, but there are indeed other places to discuss this, so let's get back to talking about Liara, people! Questions!

1. When did your Shepard first fall for Liara?

2. Did you romance Liara on your first playthrough?

3. How did your Shepard feel about Liara's treatment of Shep on Illium? (pre-LotSB)

4. What did your Shepard tell Liara about how she/he felt in the cabin convo after LotSB? Worried/Hpeful/Frustrated?

5. Did your Shepard visit Liara before going back to Earth to stand trial?

6. Who are Liara's closest friends in your headcanon?

7. How many blue babies should there be? None? One? Five?

1) I would say when she first saw Liara.

2) Hell yes.

3) She was nervous.

4) Hopeful.

5) Yes.

6) Garrus and Ashly because Liara knows that Shepard isn't interested in them romantically. Liara does have a jealously streak.

7) 1 asari baby and 1 human baby.

Oh? Adoption or artifical impregnation?

Either way to me that seems like a cruel thing to do to Liara, considering how short-lived the child would be, but that's just me.

My first thought is artifical impregnation, although I wouldn't rule out adoption. I mean why should Liara be the only to experince to childbirth. I don't think it's cruel I think it gives them both more chances to see grandkids.    

[kumquats]

Tyranniac wrote...

I don't quite see why a paragon Shepard would be any more delusional than a renegade one.

I think I worded that wrong.

Of course not all Paragons, but my paragon is Zapp Brannigan 2.0.
He saved Earth by accident.

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@speedy: If Benezia was embarrassed by Aethyta, why have a pureblood daughter with her?
If she wanted to have a child, before becoming a Matriach, why not have a child with a Turian or a Salarian?

It seems not too be a stigma to raise a daughter alone as an asari, but having a pureblood child clearly is.

[Zandilar]

This is probably a can of worms I really shouldn't open here, but I've been pretty outspoken on my opinion that "Children do not equal a Happily Ever After Ending for Everyone" (aka "little blue babies don't make everything better")... I was kind of annoyed by the forced "lots of little blue babies" line, and I'm glad they cut the extended Anderson/Shepard conversation where he says Shep would make a good father/mother.

I noticed that most people answered that their Shep/Liara combo would produce between one and an indeterminable number of kids. Do you think a Shepard who wished to remain childfree and Liara would stay together?

Modifié par Zandilar, 09 avril 2012 - 01:08 .

[Tyranniac]

kumquats wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...

I don't quite see why a paragon Shepard would be any more delusional than a renegade one.

I think I worded that wrong.

Of course not all Paragons, but my paragon is Zapp Brannigan 2.0.
He saved Earth by accident.

I see, thanks for the clarification. 

Zandilar wrote...

This is probably a can of worms I really shouldn't open here, but I've been pretty outspoken on my opinion that "Children do not equal a Happily Ever After Ending for Everyone" (aka "little blue babies don't make everything better")... I was kind of annoyed by the forced "lots of little blue babies" line, and I'm glad they cut the extended Anderson/Shepard conversation where he says Shep would make a good father/mother.

I noticed that most people answered that their Shep/Liara combo would produce between one and an indeterminable number of kids. Do you think a Shepard who wished to remain childfree and Liara would stay together?

 

Don't worry, there's a few more of you non-baby folk around. As for the little blue children line, you could just interpret it as a joke if you think that suits your Shepard better.

When it comes to the Anderson dialogue, I'm very sad they cut that. It was so emotional, and even if your Shepard wouldn't want kids, I don't see why that means Anderson wouldn't say he thinks Shepard would be a good parent.

As for me, go blue babies!

Modifié par Tyranniac, 09 avril 2012 - 01:22 .

[Arcataye]

Hello.

The Lightspeaker wrote...
Sorry for short answers. I'm very depressed right now.
I've been drinking for the past eight hours or so and dwelling on how much I hate my life. Don't worry about it.

Well, good to see I'm not alone. Hope you feel better already.

Tyranniac wrote...
As for the little blue children line, you could just interpret it as a joke if you think that suits your Shepard better.

Even liara deflects the subject as a joke, but that may just be because of the desperate situation at that time.

Tyranniac wrote...
I can't decide who to bring to Thessia this playthrough, any suggestions?

I wonder if the muscle dude whos name I can't remember has some stupid lines in there? "Whoa that bust is done bad, it doesn't even look like an asari."
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By the way, does anyone actually have some costructive critisism of my ending edit. Thought to do a femshep version, but I need to know is there something to fix first.

Modifié par Arcataye, 09 avril 2012 - 01:23 .

[The Star Treker]

Tyranniac wrote...

Okay, that's it. I'm bringing this thread back on track if it kills me. I have a strong dislike for the ending, but there are indeed other places to discuss this, so let's get back to talking about Liara, people! Questions!

1. When did your Shepard first fall for Liara?

2. Did you romance Liara on your first playthrough?

3. How did your Shepard feel about Liara's treatment of Shep on Illium? (pre-LotSB)

4. What did your Shepard tell Liara about how she/he felt in the cabin conversation after LotSB? Worried/Hopeful/Frustrated?

5. Did your Shepard visit Liara before going back to Earth to stand trial?

6. Who are Liara's closest friends in your headcanon?

7. How many blue babies should there be? None? One? Five?

 

1. About immediately after I rescued her on Therum.
2. Yes, flirted with her and Ash. :wub:

3. I was frustrated and hurt that she wouldn't talk to me. Got Tali cheered me up.

4. Worried that I couldn't stop the Reapers, save Earth and the galaxy or come back for my love, Liara.

5. Invited her to my cabin before I did Arrival.

6. Garrus, Tali, Joker, EDI and Wrex.

7. No comment.
Here is my first new video with ME3 footage and it features Liara. I hope you guys love it.

Mass Effect Opening TV Credits Intro (X-Men: The Animated Series Style)

Modifié par The_Star_Treker, 09 avril 2012 - 01:26 .

[hollow22_]

Tyranniac wrote...
I can't decide who to bring to Thessia this playthrough, any suggestions?

Javik and Liara, since their argue after Thessia has more sense since she's upset because he didn't do anything on the planet.. I'f you've done this earlier or you don't have Javik purchased, then I suggest you bring someone in which you've never been there lol (yeah.. nice help huh?)

Just says Good Morning to all Liara followers (yeah I just woke up right now lol)
From the deepest labs of Cocoa Lounge I introduce all you... Subject Morinth!!:devil: bwahahahahha


..
...
....

okay okay, let's return to the blue shape again lol:wizard:

by Agregor on DA.

Modifié par hollow22_, 09 avril 2012 - 01:31 .

[Neeh]

You silly silly people! Having all the proper discussions while I'm off snoozing for a mere 11 hours ._.

Zandilar wrote...

This is probably a can of worms I really shouldn't open here, but I've been pretty outspoken on my opinion that "Children do not equal a Happily Ever After Ending for Everyone" (aka "little blue babies don't make everything better")... I was kind of annoyed by the forced "lots of little blue babies" line, and I'm glad they cut the extended Anderson/Shepard conversation where he says Shep would make a good father/mother.

I noticed that most people answered that their Shep/Liara combo would produce between one and an indeterminable number of kids. Do you think a Shepard who wished to remain childfree and Liara would stay together?

Shepard can tell Anderson he/she's not fit for kids aswell. There's different versions of the cut dialouge, so everyone gets their say. No reasons to have it cut, other than it would make the ending even more sour..

And I don't see why children would be a necessity for Liara and Shepard to stick together, that's up to your own canon really. Nor do I think it's forced, the "lots of blue children" line is more of a tease than a serious suggestion.

[insomniac13]

This has probably been discussed ad nauseam, but...

When Liara mentions "Blue Children" in her final convo - Is she talking about Asari children in general or is it a hint to *gasp* her and Shepard's future children?

Also, I'm confused what Liara's final "gift" actually was... Did she show Shepard how to "embrace eternity"? Did they have mind-sex one last time? Wonderful scene but I'm so confused!

[Kilshrek]

Zandilar wrote...

This is probably a can of worms I really shouldn't open here, but I've been pretty outspoken on my opinion that "Children do not equal a Happily Ever After Ending for Everyone" (aka "little blue babies don't make everything better")... I was kind of annoyed by the forced "lots of little blue babies" line, and I'm glad they cut the extended Anderson/Shepard conversation where he says Shep would make a good father/mother.

I noticed that most people answered that their Shep/Liara combo would produce between one and an indeterminable number of kids. Do you think a Shepard who wished to remain childfree and Liara would stay together?

Not at all, some people are happy for things to remain childless, as it were. You can choose to look at the blue children talk as a joke, an incentive simply to come back.

There's nothing to say a child must mean a happy home, but for most, it simply means the potential for a happier future. If your happier future is one with just Shepard and Liara, why not? I'm pretty sure Liara is pragmatic enough to see things that way, but I'm also sure that if a child is what Shepard wants, there wouldn't be a problem as well.

[Akernis]

Arcataye wrote...

By the way, does anyone actually have some costructive critisism of my ending edit. Thought to do a femshep version, but I need to know is there something to fix first.

The one you put up on youtube?
I think I have my opinion clear in the comments

I don't know about critisism as It is still the best one I have seen, and I don't know what could really be better.

[Andronic0s]

Zandilar wrote...

This is probably a can of worms I really shouldn't open here, but I've been pretty outspoken on my opinion that "Children do not equal a Happily Ever After Ending for Everyone" (aka "little blue babies don't make everything better")... I was kind of annoyed by the forced "lots of little blue babies" line, and I'm glad they cut the extended Anderson/Shepard conversation where he says Shep would make a good father/mother.

I noticed that most people answered that their Shep/Liara combo would produce between one and an indeterminable number of kids. Do you think a Shepard who wished to remain childfree and Liara would stay together?

Yeah sure why not? I myself don't need to see a blue children at the end of ME3, I just want the possibility of those blue babies at some point in time, which is not something that can happen currently, the blue babies are more like a symbol of a "happy" ending for Liara and Shep, that's why we keep bringing them up 

I imagine my Shepard to not have any kids until some years after all these reaper shenanigans happen, alternatively if Shep has to sacrifice himself then I would like Liara to be pregnant with his child to have a sort of legacy of his union with Liara endure in the ME world 

[Andronic0s]

hollow22_ wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...
I can't decide who to bring to Thessia this playthrough, any suggestions?

Javik and Liara, since their argue after Thessia has more sense since she's upset because he didn't do anything on the planet.. I'f you've done this earlier or you don't have Javik purchased, then I suggest you bring someone in which you've never been there lol (yeah.. nice help huh?)

Just says Good Morning to all Liara followers (yeah I just woke up right now lol)

I recommend Garrus he has some great interactions with Liara on the temple, Javik has some trivia but you can look that up on youtube, and he makes Liara look dumb, no one makes Liara look dumb in my game  

Edit: sorry about the double post! here is a picture to make amends 

Modifié par Andronic0s, 09 avril 2012 - 01:46 .

[Akernis]

insomniac13 wrote...

This has probably been discussed ad nauseam, but...

When Liara mentions "Blue Children" in her final convo - Is she talking about Asari children in general or is it a hint to *gasp* her and Shepard's future children?

Also, I'm confused what Liara's final "gift" actually was... Did she show Shepard how to "embrace eternity"? Did they have mind-sex one last time? Wonderful scene but I'm so confused!

Pretty sure she is refering to their future children, I took that sentence as a "don't worry we will make it through this and then we will have to teel our children about it when they grow up" sort of thing.

The gift dosn't appear to by a melding, if I am any judge.
As far as I am aware the gift was that Liara showed Shepard memories from her own life (childhood, growing up, her studies, digs and her life in general) a faster and more intimate way of telling Shepard about herself in detail.
For a friend Shepard it would simply be a way of showing the strenght of their friendship, for a romanced it would be something that Shepard could hold unto and find strenght in, to know that a part of Liara was always with him/her.

In my mind it works both ways and Shepard allows Liara to see his/her life as well.

Some have also theorised that if in a romance that they concieved a child, though I doupt that. They would either have done that while sleeping together before Chronos Station or wait til after the war over.

And yes they are toghether after the war, my headcanon says so and no one is going to convince me otherwise   .

Modifié par Akernis, 09 avril 2012 - 01:51 .

[Arcataye]

The_Star_Treker wrote...
 
Mass Effect Opening TV Credits Intro (X-Men: The Animated Series Style)

It was cool, tho I've never seen X-Men animated series.
Something about introduction titles came to my mind,
Name: Urdnot Wrex - with smaller font on the second line: The Battlemaster
Samara - The Justicar, Thane Krios - The Assassin, Liara T'soni - The Doctor?, Jack - The Biotic, Miranda Lawson - can't think up anything, Grunt - The Tankbred
I don't know, just seems like a cool idea, seen it done somewhere, but it's fine as it is.
--

I see Liara refering to their future children together. I see the gift-scene as her way to tell Shepard her feelings and to say farewell, they didn't make babies at that moment, but maybe she gave a hint of the future (asdasd).
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Akernis wrote...
I don't know what could really be better.

There must be something.

Modifié par Arcataye, 09 avril 2012 - 01:55 .

[Wulfram]

Do you think Liara would want to go back to Thessia to help rebuild? I mean, her dialogue makes it seem she feels she's neglected her own people, so it seems to me she'd want to put that right.

If so, would your Shepard be willing to go along with her, or would they want to focus on humanity?

Of course, this is a much bigger issue if the relays are gone. With relays, you can probably sort something out.

[hollow22_]

Arcataye wrote...

The_Star_Treker wrote...
 
Mass Effect Opening TV Credits Intro (X-Men: The Animated Series Style)

It was cool, tho I've never seen X-Men animated series.
Something about titles came to my mind,
Name: Urdnot Wrex - with smaller font on the second line: The Battlemaster
Samara - The Justicar, Thane Krios - The Assassin, Liara T'soni - The Doctor?, Jack - The Biotic, Miranda Lawson - can't think up anything The Perfect, Grunt - The Tankbred
I don't know, just seems like a cool idea, seen it done somewhere, but it's fine as it is.
--

I see Liara refering to their future children together. I see the gift-scene as her way to tell Shepard her feelings and to say farewell, they didn't make babies at that moment, but maybe she gave a hint of the future (asdasd).
-

Akernis wrote...
I don't know what could really be better.

There must be something.

fixed:wizard:

[The Star Treker]

Arcataye wrote...

The_Star_Treker wrote...
 
Mass Effect Opening TV Credits Intro (X-Men: The Animated Series Style)

It was cool, tho I've never seen X-Men animated series.
Something about titles came to my mind,
Name: Urdnot Wrex - with smaller font on the second line: The Battlemaster
Samara - The Justicar, Thane Krios - The Assassin, Liara T'soni - The Doctor?, Jack - The Biotic, Miranda Lawson - can't think up anything, Grunt - The Tankbred
I don't know, just seems like a cool idea, seen it done somewhere, but it's fine as it is.
--

I see Liara refering to their future children together. I see the gift-scene as her way to tell Shepard her feelings and to say farewell, not baby making.

Thanks.

Shepard - Cyclops (Leader of the X-Men), Wrex - Wolverine, Miranda - Rogue, Samara - Storm, Grunt - Beast, Thane - Gambit, Jack - Jubilee and Liara - Jean Grey (Cyclops' Woman and Wolverine's Crush).

Modifié par The_Star_Treker, 09 avril 2012 - 02:02 .

[Yuqi]

insomniac13 wrote...

This has probably been discussed ad nauseam, but...

When Liara mentions "Blue Children" in her final convo - Is she talking about Asari children in general or is it a hint to *gasp* her and Shepard's future children?

Also, I'm confused what Liara's final "gift" actually was... Did she show Shepard how to "embrace eternity"? Did they have mind-sex one last time? Wonderful scene but I'm so confused!

She only mentions the blue children with an LOTSB import. I thought of it as more of an easter egg kind of dialouge.*shrugs* As for the final gift I thought of it more as Liara solidfying Shepard in her memory.Something she could seal away, so that she never forgets Shepard. What makes me think that most, is  that she says; "It can also be a way to say farewell.' 

If memory serves me correctly; tthe leaked dialouge  also included Liara saying 'what you look like to me.'

Modifié par Yuqi, 09 avril 2012 - 02:10 .