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[The Lightspeaker]

Ajosraa wrote...

And i think Asari puberty happens around age 40...I swear i remember Samara talking about this...something about how the Ardat-Yakshi strain ususally shows itself around "Puberty"

The Codex for Ardat-Yakshi here, isent found untill "Maturity". Second Paragraph.
http://masseffect.wi...ki/Ardat-Yakshi

I believe the key quote from the Codex you want is this:

The disorder generally begins in infancy, reaching full pathology during Maiden adolescent sexual development.

Given that Morinth was 40 at that, it implies actual adolescence and sexual development at age 40.


Gah why am I even continuing this conversation? Bad Lightspeaker. Someone put more Liara pictures up.

Modifié par The Lightspeaker, 09 avril 2012 - 09:29 .

[Turbo_J]

The Lightspeaker wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

lol.. I feel like Shepard telling the Council that Saren is a rogue and that Reapers are what the real threat is.

My opinions on Asari reproduction are based off of published lore, none of which indicate anywhere that they can reproduce at such a young age. I'm curious how some of you come to the conclusion that they are capable of reproduction at the such an early stage of their life, because it sounds a lot like more space magic than based on any lore or facts.

Pretty much none of the in-game lore actually covers asari child bearing age. Everyone is reading the same stuff but drawing different conclusions.

For example: the codex article you posted is ambiguous. There is a massive, massive difference between what is specified there "this stage is marked by a desire to settle in one area and raise children" and actually stating the child-bearing age.

In fact I could say the exact same thing back to you here. My opinions on their reproduction are based on the published lore I've read. When I started reading here I was genuine surprised and curious about how some people have jumped to the conclusion that the asari age of reproduction is directly tied into the "life stages" stuff. Its quite a big leap of faith.

Agreed. Especially when the codex flat out states that the matron and matriarch stages can take place any time based on choice and behavior. Under normal cicomstances for an Asari, it may be 250-500 years before they think about children but I'm sure that has chaned somewhat over the last 2000 years given every other species in the galaxy is short lived with the exception of the Krogan.

[Ajosraa]

How about Liara's new perfume line? ;P



The scent of blue...;P

Modifié par Ajosraa, 09 avril 2012 - 09:33 .

[The Lightspeaker]

I dunno. Either way it fits in well with Bioware's chosen approach.

Lots of speculation for everyone! *facepalm*

[Kilshrek]

The Lightspeaker wrote...

Gah why am I even continuing this conversation? Bad Lightspeaker. Someone put more Liara pictures up.

You called?

[The Lightspeaker]

That picture actually scares the hell out of me every time I see it for some reason.

[Tyranniac]

Kilshrek wrote...

Gah! That was uncalled for!

[Sunnie]

ladyvader wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

lol.. I feel like Shepard telling the Council that Saren is a rogue and that Reapers are what the real threat is.

My opinions on Asari reproduction are based off of published lore, none of which indicate anywhere that they can reproduce at such a young age. I'm curious how some of you come to the conclusion that they are capable of reproduction at the such an early stage of their life, because it sounds a lot like more space magic than based on any lore or facts.

The lore you get it from is a novel.  Not everyone has read them. 

I didn't specify that and that is not the only source of data. In fact, the data I referenced was from the codex entries and I did not mention the confirmation of this biological limitation made by the writer in a novel at all until jlb noted it. And what differnce does it make if the lore is added by a novel or not? It was written by someone employed by and aproved by the IP owner as official.

It does not state in the codex when they can have children.  It says Matrons want to settle down and raise a family.

It states very clearly at what ages these stages happen (which I assume is an average age), it also states clearly these are biological tendencies, which makes it easy to make an educated summation that deviations from the biological norm would be freakishly rare, akin to 1 in >100 million.

  To me that does not mean they have to be a matron to have children, just when they feel they want to start having them.

this and..

Wanting children and being able to reproduce are two different things.

this, rather contradict each other.

Nowhere in the games or in any of the published lore does it indicate that Asari can just choose to turn on reproduction at will.
The codex specifically states that the Matron stage "can be "triggered" earlier if the Maiden melds frequently". This would indicate that the ability to reproduce is certainly tied to biological stages that are already defined.

Modifié par Sunnie22, 09 avril 2012 - 09:38 .

[Kilshrek]

The Lightspeaker wrote...

That picture actually scares the hell out of me every time I see it for some reason.

I suspect it's someone who put Liara's skin on Shep for the infamous.... smile.... scene.... I never really worked it out. Though it looks exactly like rapeface Sheploo.

[Akernis]

Sunnie22 wrote...

lol.. I feel like Shepard telling the Council that Saren is a rogue and that Reapers are what the real threat is.

My opinions on Asari reproduction are based off of published lore, none of which indicate anywhere that they can reproduce at such a young age. I'm curious how some of you come to the conclusion that they are capable of reproduction at the such an early stage of their life, because it sounds a lot like more space magic than based on any lore or facts.

Then I shall endulge your curiosity from my point of view.

1) The codex in ME2 says word for word that the A-y condition manifest (or are detectable, cant remember) with sexual maturity.

2) Morinth ran away at the age of 40. if we resonable agree that Morinth ran away when and because the condition manifested itself she must be mature (sexually, if not mentally) at the age of 40.    

3) Unless I have completely forgotten how biology works any creature whether animal, human or asari (unless it is clearly stated otherwise) can reproduce when sexually mature. 

4) If taking Samara along on Grunt's loyalty missions there is a moment where Shepard ask what is wrong with Grunt, Wrex answers that there is nothing wrong and that he is becoming a full adult. Upon which Samara says "Like entering the maiden stage". As such Asari becomes adults when they becomes Maidens. We don't know precisely when the maiden stage begins except that it is before 106 of age and possibly before 50 (as Liara says she has been studying the Proteans for the last fiftty years, I can't see a child studying serious archeology with the asari equivalent of a full doctor degree).

5) While not a clear and cut example Liara mentions the little blue children in the gift scene, I can't for the love of me see why she would even mention such a thing if she knew Shepard would be dead (not taking potential cybernetics = longer life into account here) before she was even capable of having children with him/her.

6) Liara's writer for ME3, Sylvia if memory serves, said when asked wether Liara was pregnant after the ending that it was possibly, she neither confirmed or denyed it to not set it in stone. But if it is possibly that Liara was pregnant, then well it must be possibly that she can be pregnant.  

Modifié par Akernis, 09 avril 2012 - 09:45 .

[Neeh]

Kilshrek wrote...

You called?

Wasn't there a safe word involved here? Did you ever tell us?...I think I recall apples..but that might've been someone elses.

Modifié par Neeh, 09 avril 2012 - 10:00 .

[Sunnie]

Akernis wrote...
2) Morinth ran away at the age of 40. if we resonable agree that Morinth
ran away when and because the condition manifested itself she must be
mature (sexually, if not mentally) at the age of 40.    

3)
Unless I have completely forgotten how biology works any creature
whether animal, human or asari (unless it is clearly stated otherwise)
can reproduce when sexually mature.

I would like to hear what "puplished lore" you base your opinions on, if you feel like sharing.

Nowhere does it say they can reproduce. I took this to mean they can start "melding" at this age, and the reason the  A-Y syndrom is undetecable until then; the point which they end up burning out someones nervous system during a meld, any meld.

Modifié par Sunnie22, 09 avril 2012 - 09:42 .

[The Lightspeaker]

"Sexual maturity" as a term is pretty much defined by ability to reproduce...

[Kilshrek]

Neeh wrote...

Wasn't there a safe word involved here? Did you ever tell us?...I think I recall appels..but that might've been someone elses.

I know my safe word, do you know yours?

And it is Apples.

[Akernis]

Sunnie22 wrote...

It does not state in the codex when they can have children.  It says Matrons want to settle down and raise a family.

It states very clearly at what ages these stages happen (which I assume is an average age), it also states clearly these are biological tendencies, which makes it easy to make an educated summation that deviations from the biological norm would be freakishly rare, akin to 1 in >100 million.

Why exactly would it be "freakishly rare" to deviate?

A tendency is not an absolut that it broken once every hundred million times. It is simply the norm of something, and a norm is anything that happens more often than not. Even if something happend "only" 51% percent of the time it would still be the norm.

If I greviously insulting a biologist who knows exactly what a bilogical tendency actually intails , feel free to correct me . 

Modifié par Akernis, 09 avril 2012 - 09:52 .

[hollow22_]

seem we have to make fun here somehow...

like liara's face on this one lol

[The Lightspeaker]

Goddess...I keep letting myself get drawn in don't I?

Ok, distract myself...

@Kilshrek: I've not actually come up with my Shepard's safe word. I'll give it some thought.

[Tyranniac]

hollow22_ wrote...

seem we have to make fun here somehow...

like liara's face on this one lol

Adorable 

[Luxure]

- Author liveandloveart

And people, please, cut the crap. Everyone's right and everyone's entitled to their own opinion. Now please...



Author liara-chan

Edit - Here's the Song 
 

Modifié par Luxure, 09 avril 2012 - 09:56 .

[hollow22_]

Tyranniac wrote...

hollow22_ wrote...

seem we have to make fun here somehow...

like liara's face on this one lol

Adorable 

i've got another one based on ME2:

blueberry is the one next to wrex lol, i've found people who still confuses her with samara or morinth

[The Lightspeaker]

hollow22_ wrote...

i've got another one based on ME2:

blueberry is the one next to wrex lol, i've found people who still confuses her with samara or morinth

Haha, love it. And is it just me or does it look like Kelly is winking at Zaeed and Zaeed is just like "yeah, whatever"?

[Tyranniac]

hollow22_ wrote...

i've got another one based on ME2:

blueberry is the one next to wrex lol, i've found people who still confuses her with samara or morinth

Oooh I've seen this one before. It's fantastic.

And how could anyone not see that's Liara? 

[hollow22_]

The Lightspeaker wrote...

hollow22_ wrote...

i've got another one based on ME2:
*image skipped*
blueberry is the one next to wrex lol, i've found people who still confuses her with samara or morinth

Haha, love it. And is it just me or does it look like Kelly is winking at Zaeed and Zaeed is just like "yeah, whatever"?

hah never thought about that... but as you can see, Kelly is a teaser, showing her pants lol

edit: tyr: IDK why, but I swear i've seen people telling Liara is morinth and they didn't recognize who is the asari next to wrex lol

Modifié par hollow22_, 09 avril 2012 - 10:01 .

[Akernis]

Sorry to contribute to this friction, how about we call it a truce?
Sunnie has her opinion, some agrees and some does not.

A peace offering and something to cheer us up:

[Pineappletree]

Tyranniac wrote...
And how could anyone not see that's Liara? 

There are some very strange people out there, indeed ...

Also:

by CePheala

This is so silly but it cracks me up every time I see it

Modifié par FdL_Ananas, 09 avril 2012 - 10:04 .