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[PMC65]

rubynorman wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

Yuqi wrote...

But Benezia was indoctrinated and 'was not herself and never would be again.It was at the very least a mercy kill,not to mention Benezia more or less begs Shep to do so.

The V.S however was fully in control of themselves.

Wouldn't matter to me. Right or wrong I could never be with someone who killed my mother. Shepard being with Liara after that act has always been a little rough for me.

Ash and Kaidan not trusting Shepard was ok with me ... They also only pulled their weapon trying to protect the Council. I got that.

Point is ... most of Shepard's relationships aren't "normal". My Shepard with Ash loved her just as much as my Shepard with Liara and both of those relationships had "issues". The best romances in fiction always do.

But Benezia refused to use Medi-gel (don't know if this's right or wrong, maybe I read too many fanfics), and she would kill Shepard and Liara if Shep didn't stop her.

Yes, Shepard was justified that is not the issue. It's the fact that this is the person that killed your mother. Even if my mom was throwing babies off a roof and the person stopped her ... I would understand why they did it, thank them for stopping her but I would not then start dating them. Something would just feel weird about it ... dating someone who pulled a gun on me because they thought that I was on the wrong side would be more forgivable.

None of these romances VS or Liara are perfect. Each has their hurdles.

[FRANCESCO84Inn]

@Ruby i'm play ME 3 year ago, and i'm play more and more time, so Benezia refused to use the Medi-gel, bacause not is most able to combact Saren and the Soverign.

in all my play whit my Female Shepard i'm go to Noveria whit Liara, and all time Liara have wathc the mother die.

Modifié par FRANCESCO84Inn, 14 avril 2012 - 06:14 .

[rubynorman]

VarrenSoldier wrote...

greggm2000 wrote...

VarrenSoldier wrote...

Or....Asari breasts determine biotic power.
The larger they are...The more biotic potential.

More like it's Benezia's influence showing through

Yeah, but if it's both the case of her biotics and Benezia's chest being inherited, I wonder how big they'll be when she hits the matriarch stage.

about Benezia's chest

Professor T'Soni has her mother's features; from the deep rich
blue color of her eyes, which I believe is because they are both
purebloods, to the freckles on her cheeks and chest. Well, I'm not sure
if the Professor has those too but the Matriarch seemed to show them off
quite proudly. Standing side by side it would be irrefutable that they
were related. Sadly, however, there are few vids of them seen together.
That has me puzzled. Perhaps Professor T'Soni hasn't been telling me the
whole story, but it is also evident the reason behind it is painful to
her.
In the Alliance reports, they strongly suggest that asari are thought
to be quite promiscuous. I am personally torn on the subject. I've
visited the strip clubs on the Citadel and Omega that were overflowing
with asari, but they weren't flat out screwing a guy on the table like
you see at some human military bases. They seemed to be just having fun.
Concluding that the Citadel's Consort and even the all mighty Queen of
Omega Aria, I perceive they savor what they enjoy and aren't afraid to
express it. Even Matriarch Benezia is incredibly beautiful and she
certainly knows it. Based on human standards, she should hide it?
Nonetheless I clearly don't completely understand Asari culture. For
example, relative to the asari mentioned above, Professor T'Soni is
practically covered from head to toe in material. Did her mother ensure
her greatest gift did not attract un-wanted eyes? Was it her up-bringing
in such a prominent figure's home? Does she not think she is beautiful?
If she doesn't, then she is sadly mistaken. Factually speaking… I think
she is absolutely breath taking, - for a blue humanoid that is. Anyway,
it must be hard being the only daughter of one so powerful. I can
understand now why she chose to go in the opposite path from her mother,
seeking the solitude of Prothean dig sites.In the detailed in

You guys should read this www.fanfiction.net/s/7077269/1/Femme_Shepards_Personal_Data_Logs_AISF

Modifié par rubynorman, 14 avril 2012 - 06:22 .

[Pockles]

Yuqi wrote...
Forgiving and forgeting, are two different things. Even if you forgave her it would always be in the back of your mind.

It's not as if she's mugging me in an alley. Long term, it wouldn't bother me.

Yuqi wrote...
As for the Javik convo. I can't remember the specifics and I'm not going through the game again.

Why are you trying to use this conversation with Javik to support your argument if you don't even remember what it was about?

PMC65 wrote...
Wouldn't matter to me. Right or wrong I could never be with someone who
killed my mother. Shepard being with Liara after that act has always
been a little rough for me.

It's easier to understand that everyone thinks differently when you don't project your personality onto them. Perhaps she accepts that killing her irreversibly brainwashed mother is a mercy and is grateful to Shepard for ensuring that Benezia didn't remain a slave to Sovereign's will. This would be a huge issue for you, but it obviously isn't for Liara.

[PMC65]

Pockles wrote...

PMC65 wrote...
Wouldn't matter to me. Right or wrong I could never be with someone who
killed my mother. Shepard being with Liara after that act has always
been a little rough for me.

It's easier to understand that everyone thinks differently when you don't project your personality onto them. Perhaps she accepts that killing her irreversibly brainwashed mother is a mercy and is grateful to Shepard for ensuring that Benezia didn't remain a slave to Sovereign's will. This would be a huge issue for you, but it obviously isn't for Liara.

That's why I said earlier that it works in "fiction" ... I've yet to meet someone who was ever in that position.

And since I know how you love to stir pots I'll just ignore the presentation.

[FRANCESCO84Inn]

ok more blue form my Gallaery on BSN

[rubynorman]

Maybe because the Asari have different belief to human.
Ah PMC I promised to throw some blue children for you in your fanfic's comment pages
So here it is, my Shep's blue children.

[SuperClutch16]

PMC65 wrote...


I could date someone who pointed a gun at me faster than someone who killed my mother. Right or wrong, someone kills my mom and not a chance in hell ... yet we believe that Shepard & Liara go on and never even talk about this? In my headcanon that is a very big hurdle for them.

I think I'll have to agree to disagree on this point. Granted, I love my mom. But, if she turned out to be a psychotic murderer hell bent on universal annihilation...I could live with my significant other getting rid of her. Technically, she is no longer my "mother" once she goes down that road. Now, to bring Benzia and Liara into this, though Benezia had blocked a part of her mind away from indoctrination she still fell under its control. She was no longer the true Benezia; she had been bent and twisted.

[Pockles]

PMC65 wrote...

Pockles wrote...

PMC65 wrote...
Wouldn't matter to me. Right or wrong I could never be with someone who
killed my mother. Shepard being with Liara after that act has always
been a little rough for me.

It's easier to understand that everyone thinks differently when you don't project your personality onto them. Perhaps she accepts that killing her irreversibly brainwashed mother is a mercy and is grateful to Shepard for ensuring that Benezia didn't remain a slave to Sovereign's will. This would be a huge issue for you, but it obviously isn't for Liara.

That's why I said earlier that it works in "fiction" ... I've yet to meet someone who was ever in that position.
And since I know how you love to stir pots I'll just ignore the presentation.

Please don't be offended. My personality is naturally abrasive.

Also OMG I'm known for something! I'm somebody now! And I'm not even being sarcastic!

[tddobbs]

I think PMC has a good point. Even if someone totally despises everything their mother does/stands for (which is not likely in Liara's case), that person will still (usually) have some residual sentimental attachment. It would be a challenge to then have a romantic relationship with the person directly responsible for their mother's death. Saying that doesn't mean that it is an insurmountable obstacle, but it would be an issue that would have to worked through....not basically ignored as in the gameworld.

[Erenbe]

 Good morning you all!

Kilshrek wrote...

Erenbe wrote...This! Liara is really the only person asking Shep how she feels about the entire situation. For example in ME2 after LotSB. She gives her the option to let go and be human for a while. This is one of the things that makes her the best romance option in the game....well...and the best character 

I thought Garrus does as well... Space batman is broseph. He even takes you to shoot bottles on the Presidium!
But romance with Liara is something else.

Ah, details, details...  No, you're right...he does ask. I forgot! Let's just say, it took him 3 years to come around to do this whereas Liara didn't wait that long. Also, there would be no cuddling involved as he is well Garrus....with Liara Shep can let go in more ways (extreme cuddling, etc).

FdL_Ananas wrote...

Akernis wrote...
Edit: and I just found this.

Wow, this is great. And her other stuff too!

Though once again it raises the question where Liara's head crests go under those helmets ... especially since they "don't flop around"

I think getting the head in is not a problem....I'm kind of afraid to ask how painful it would be to get it out again  Even if it is cartilage....my ears hurt when I bend them in impossible angles. 

MaroAlighieri wrote...

Yuqi wrote...
Liara boobs look odd.(Inthe pic at the top of the thread.)

Yeah her left boob is kinda...whats going on there what is that.

Maybe Bioware is thinking about a mash-up of ME and Alien. That could very well be an alien queen moving around. But maybe it is just an awkward combination of the viewing angle and the cut of the amor which gives the impression that something weird is going on behind the armor. But that's just me and my crazy ideas 

Yuqi wrote...
Basiccly you tell IDI too 'enjoy it while it lasts because joker wont live as long as you' instead of the 'I wish you happiness' line.

To which Edi responds: I asked Liara how the Asari deal with this problem. She says to bottle up the feelings until the inevitable occurs, then cry.

Somehow this makes me very sad. Imagining that Liara is going to cry...a lot....

PMC65 wrote...
Wouldn't matter to me. Right or wrong I could never be with someone who 
killed my mother. Shepard being with Liara after that act has always 
been a little rough for me.

Well this is assuming that Shepard pulled the trigger right? Do we know this for sure? What if Liara gave the last shot?

Modifié par Erenbe, 14 avril 2012 - 08:13 .

[kumquats]

Luxure wrote...

Should I bother with the HR mod ? Like, it works for all armors or only her original armor ? 

No snip!

It's not a mod. Someone is uploading HR Textures for different characters and the Normandy.

HR-Tex Liara
You only need TexMod. In the end of this thread there is a little bat data, which you can use. Using TexMod is a little bit of a pain with Origin.
I didn't try his High-Res mod, I'd rather use ENB Enhance Colors for Screenshots. That's what I'm going to do in my new playthrough. Lots and lots of Screenshots.
Liara is so blue with that mod.

[Yuqi]

FRANCESCO84Inn wrote...

oh please the synthesis and control its only the plan of the Reaper,

synthesis destroys the biodiversity, adaptability, avolution, progress,

all of this aspect is determinate from the limitation create in the native

habitat. is impossible not preferse the self-determination and self-preservation,

the life proposal by the synthesis is unacceptable.

^this

PMC65 wrote...

Wouldn't matter to me. Right or wrong I could never be with someone who killed my mother. Shepard being with Liara after that act has always been a little rough for me.

Ash and Kaidan not trusting Shepard was ok with me ... They also only pulled their weapon trying to protect the Council. I got that.

Point is ... most of Shepard's relationships aren't "normal". My Shepard with Ash loved her just as much as my Shepard with Liara and both of those relationships had "issues". The best romances in fiction always do. 

See I don't headcannon, so maybe I see this from a more logical and historical point of view.

Pockles wrote...
ne thinks differently when you don't project your personality onto them. Perhaps she accepts that killing her irreversibly brainwashed mother is a mercy and is grateful to Shepard for ensuring that Benezia didn't remain a slave to Sovereign's will. This would be a huge issue for you, but it obviously isn't for Liara.

So I'm not the only one who dosen't have a headcannon, or do you have one Pockles?

As for the Javik thing I mentioned, when I next go through ME3 I'll write it down.

[Kilshrek]

Yuqi wrote...

Basiccly you tell IDI too 'enjoy it while it lasts because joker wont live as long as you' instead of the 'I wish you happiness' line.

To which Edi responds: I asked Liara how the Asari deal with this problem. She says to bottle up the feelings until the inevitable occurs, then cry.

Hey... I got that... Did I pick that? Hmmm... I played Paragon and all that... *shrugs*

Erenbe wrote...

Good morning you all!
Ah, details, details... [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie] No, you're right...he does ask. I forgot! Let's just say, it took him 3 years to come around to do this whereas Liara didn't wait that long. Also, there would be no cuddling involved as he is well Garrus....with Liara Shep can let go in more ways (extreme cuddling, etc).

He's a battle chicken, cuddling isn't in his repertoire. :happy: And.. he's all spiky and has mandibles. I'll leave Garrus to Tali.

Yes.. Bioticall assisted 'cuddling' and all that good stuff.

Modifié par Kilshrek, 14 avril 2012 - 11:17 .

[Yuqi]

Kilshrek wrote...

Yuqi wrote...

Basiccly you tell IDI too 'enjoy it while it lasts because joker wont live as long as you' instead of the 'I wish you happiness' line.

To which Edi responds: I asked Liara how the Asari deal with this problem. She says to bottle up the feelings until the inevitable occurs, then cry.

Hey... I got that... Did I pick that? Hmmm... I played Paragon and all that... *shrugs*

Shrug, it wasn't my playthrough. It's just something I found on tumblr.I honestly don't care for Edi, if Iwanted to see a fembot I would watch: Austin Powers.

Modifié par Yuqi, 14 avril 2012 - 11:17 .

[Kilshrek]

Yuqi wrote...

Shrug, it wasn't my playthrough. It's just something I found on tumblr because I honestly don't care for Edi, if Iwanted to see a fembot I would watch austin powers.

Aww.. c'mon, I did it for the bro. At least someone who I thought was my bro.

[Wulfram]

Erenbe wrote...

I think getting the head in is not a problem....I'm kind of afraid to ask how painful it would be to get it out again  Even if it is cartilage....my ears hurt when I bend them in impossible angles. 

I think Liara's own helmet in ME1 is extended a bit at the back to take account for the crest

Modifié par Wulfram, 14 avril 2012 - 11:20 .

[Yuqi]

Kilshrek wrote...

Yuqi wrote...

Shrug, it wasn't my playthrough. It's just something I found on tumblr because I honestly don't care for Edi, if Iwanted to see a fembot I would watch austin powers.

Aww.. c'mon, I did it for the bro. At least someone who I thought was my bro.

Nah I couldn't take her seriously in ME3.(I just kept thinking of machine gun ******.)

[Neeh]

Erenbe wrote...

Maybe Bioware is thinking about a mash-up of ME and Alien. That could very well be an alien queen moving around. But maybe it is just an awkward combination of the viewing angle and the cut of the amor which gives the impression that something weird is going on behind the armor. But that's just me and my crazy ideas 

Aaaaand now you've managed to ruin Liaras breasts for me ._.

Kilshrek wrote...
He's a battle chicken, cuddling isn't in his repertoire.

I'll just unfairly take this out of context, and say it's no wonder why you think so highly of garrus.


Also, because it's early and my humor treshold is at an all time low, I found this bit to be hillarious,

There's no Liara, but it does seem Shep's been given out some dance lessons.

[Kilshrek]

Yuqi wrote...

Nah I couldn't take her seriously in ME3.(I just kept thinking of machine gun ******.)

.......................
But.. they're fembots, and.... they're blonde! Hahahaha... poor EDI. Never hooks up with joker because her captain watched scary vids from 200 years ago.

Neeh wrote...

I'll just unfairly take this out of context, and say it's no wonder why you think so highly of garrus.

Also, because it's early and my humor treshold is at an all time low, I found this bit to be hillarious,

There's no Liara, but it does seem Shep's been given out some dance lessons.

............................................ Took me a while to get there. <_<

That Turian stole Shep's dance moves!

Modifié par Kilshrek, 14 avril 2012 - 11:32 .

[Yuqi]

Kilshrek wrote...

Yuqi wrote...

Nah I couldn't take her seriously in ME3.(I just kept thinking of machine gun ******.)

.......................
But.. they're fembots, and.... they're blonde! Hahahaha... poor EDI. Never hooks up with joker because her captain watched scary vids from 200 years ago.

Those 'scary' vids, have nothing on Baby In A Blender. (Google it, if you want your mind permantly scarred,squashed, spat on, and sent down the sinker.)

Modifié par Yuqi, 14 avril 2012 - 11:41 .

[Kilshrek]

Yuqi wrote...

Scary vids, lol? (They have nothing on baby in a blender, if you guys think omnitool is nasty..)

I don't think too much of Liara's omni tool shenanigans.

And I don't want to know about baby in a blender. I meant Austin Powers was a "scary" vid from back then. Cringe, bad.

[cohina]

Yuqi wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

Wouldn't matter to me. Right or wrong I could never be with someone who killed my mother. Shepard being with Liara after that act has always been a little rough for me.

Ash and Kaidan not trusting Shepard was ok with me ... They also only pulled their weapon trying to protect the Council. I got that.

Point is ... most of Shepard's relationships aren't "normal". My Shepard with Ash loved her just as much as my Shepard with Liara and both of those relationships had "issues". The best romances in fiction always do. 

See I don't headcannon, so maybe I see this from a more logical and historical point of view.

I don't really headcannon either and I agree with you Yuqi, at least partially. Shepard was forced to kill Benezia, it was not like he/she would had murdered her. And like people have said, in that point she was indoctrinated, merely a brainwashed slave. And Shepard didn't kill her all by him/herself, the whole squad were shooting Benezia, so if you took Liara with you, she basicly killed Benezia too. Ofc it definitely won't make your relationship any better when you have to kill your own mother with you girl/boyfriend I could imagine. People also react differently, and that whole thing doesn't seem to bother Liara too much and I think Asari in general take loss of their loved ones differently than humans. Although I have to admit that it is weird that Shep and Liara never talk about Benezia and her death. I guess this is when the famous headcannon steps in.

VS, in the other hand, has really serious trust issues but I understand that the situation isn't easy for them. But it is difficult to trust someone to cover your back in combat, not to mention being romantically involved, when that other person openly states he/she is not sure on whose side you are or if it even is really you (unlike Liara who said she knew it was really Shepard the first time she touched him/her), and on top of all that, is ready to shoot you because he/she can't trust you to be one of the good guys. I totally understand why VS is concerned about Shep and his former connections to Cerberus, though. Unlike Yuqi I'm not saying it would be completely impossible to 'get over it', but it would be really, really hard imo.

Okay, more blue:

[Brooks Mac]

More blue! Yes! YES! MOREEEE!

Edit: *Jumps out of bed cause was on ipod, to fix the situation*

Modifié par Brooks Mac, 14 avril 2012 - 12:09 .

[N172]

PMC65 wrote...

I would understand why they did it, thank them for stopping her but I would not then start dating them. Something would just feel weird about it ... dating someone who pulled a gun on me because they thought that I was on the wrong side would be more forgivable.

That may be true for you, but there are many people who think different.
Benezias death was basically an assisted suicide.