Sunnie22 wrote...
TMA LIVE wrote...
I does bother me that all the F/F LI's in the ME series are the cute/shy/nerdy girls, and none of them are renegade types, like Jack or Morinth (well, she is an option, but she kills you, or disappears on you).
So you buy into the stereotype that all lesbians are (or should be) butchy dykes? Such a sad assumption.
Sunnie22 wrote...
TMA LIVE wrote...
I does bother me that all the F/F LI's in the ME series are the cute/shy/nerdy girls, and none of them are renegade types, like Jack or Morinth (well, she is an option, but she kills you, or disappears on you).
So you buy into the stereotype that all lesbians are (or should be) butchy dykes? Such a sad assumption.
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Neeh wrote...
fat slug wrote...
Ash and Miranda ??
They're not same sex options.
Not that Femshep has too many of those to begin with, so they can't really vary it up that much.
Sunnie22 wrote...
TMA LIVE wrote...
I does bother me that all the F/F LI's in the ME series are the cute/shy/nerdy girls, and none of them are renegade types, like Jack or Morinth (well, she is an option, but she kills you, or disappears on you).
So you buy into the stereotype that all lesbians are (or should be) butchy dykes? Such a sad assumption.
My point is, most lesbians fall into the shy, quiet, nerdy, girly type, which has nothing to do with how strong or confident they are in business or other interpersonal relationships. I'd also postulate that this lack of butchy f/f pairings, that is apparently lacking, usually only get brought up by straight men. Read into that what you want, but I have seen it to be the case under most circumstances.Heather Cline wrote...
Sunnie22 wrote...
TMA LIVE wrote...
I does bother me that all the F/F LI's in the ME series are the cute/shy/nerdy girls, and none of them are renegade types, like Jack or Morinth (well, she is an option, but she kills you, or disappears on you).
So you buy into the stereotype that all lesbians are (or should be) butchy dykes? Such a sad assumption.
I believe what he is saying is that there isn't a variety to prove that the f/f romances are more than just the shy nerdy girl with femshep. I think he is trying to communicate that there should be more options like a butchy character like jack, or an inbetween character kind of like Miranda personality wise. A range of options, not the stereotype that they should be all butchy dykes but as it stands there is a stereotype in ME and the DA series excluding Isabela that most lesbians are the shy, quiet, nerdy, girly type.
Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 14 avril 2012 - 05:49 .
AlexMBrennan wrote...
TMA said that there are no f/f LI that are renegade. That is logically equivalent to saying that all f/f LI are not renegade. Sunnie, incorrectly, thinks that it is equivalent to saying that all f/f LI are renegade.
Modifié par Sunnie22, 14 avril 2012 - 05:53 .
Sunnie22 wrote...
My point is, most lesbians fall into the shy, quiet, nerdy, girly type, which has nothing to do with how strong or confident they are in business or other interpersonal relationships. I'd also postulate that this lack of butchy f/f pairings, that is apparently lacking, usually only get brought up by straight men. Read into that what you want, but I have seen it to be the case under most circumstances.
Sunnie22 wrote...
My point is, most lesbians fall into the shy, quiet, nerdy, girly type, which has nothing to do with how strong or confident they are in business or other interpersonal relationships.
'ed by Erenbe 
I'd also postulate that this lack of butchy f/f pairings, that is apparently lacking, usually only get brought up by straight men.
Modifié par cohina, 14 avril 2012 - 05:59 .
AlexMBrennan wrote...
The above was dressed up in mathematical notation - it's very basic set theory. However, many people here seem ignorant of this fact (e.g. they think that quarian-geth peace disproves the Guardian's claim that all organics will eventually destroy all life when it clearly doesn't)
Those sub types listed above are not mutually inclusive or exclusive, they can be in any combination or lack attribute(s) from that list (which is not anywhere near complete). However, most lesbians will fall into the this overall category. Keep in mind that the term "most" only means 51% or more. I understand there is some diversity, I've been in this world for a long time, have had a lot of friends who are lesbian/bi, and none of them were butchy or even really even met or knew someone that was.Erenbe wrote...
Sunnie22 wrote...
My point is, most lesbians fall into the shy, quiet, nerdy, girly type, which has nothing to do with how strong or confident they are in business or other interpersonal relationships. I'd also postulate that this lack of butchy f/f pairings, that is apparently lacking, usually only get brought up by straight men. Read into that what you want, but I have seen it to be the case under most circumstances.
Sorry but that is a stereotype in itself. I would say that when sampling a group of lesbians you find all kinds of women....butch or femme...shy or outgoing, nerdy or girly...sometimes even the shy and nerdy butch. I can't agree with the statement that most lesbians fall into any category. It's a good mixture...and that's fine with me.
And straight men complaining about a lack of butchy f/f pairings? That's a new one for me.
, okay not exactly hostile but still.
TMA made a statement, I asked him a question, and everyone else became experts on lesbians even though they may not be or aren't themselves or aren't even female. Wonderful world we live in, isn't it! /uploads_user/1070000/1069890/194298.gifSuperClutch16 wrote...
Soooo...How exactly did this thread get focused on lesbians and not Liara? I must have been gone longer than I thought...
This isn't from a romanced game but I like the picture.Modifié par yesikareyes, 14 avril 2012 - 06:37 .
Kilshrek wrote...
AlexMBrennan wrote...
The above was dressed up in mathematical notation - it's very basic set theory. However, many people here seem ignorant of this fact (e.g. they think that quarian-geth peace disproves the Guardian's claim that all organics will eventually destroy all life when it clearly doesn't)
At the risk of further derailing the thread, I believe that this means the Catalyst asserting that synthetics will always destroy organics is false. The Catalyst spoke in absolutes, and I'd like to think the geth-quarian peace meant that, no, it doesn't always have to happen. It could happen again, but that doesn't mean it will.
/derail
Modifié par doozer12, 14 avril 2012 - 07:00 .
Sunnie22 wrote...
TMA made a statement, I asked him a question, and everyone else became experts on lesbians even though they may not be or aren't themselves or aren't even female. Wonderful world we live in, isn't it! /uploads_user/1070000/1069890/194298.gifSuperClutch16 wrote...
Soooo...How exactly did this thread get focused on lesbians and not Liara? I must have been gone longer than I thought...
Modifié par MaroAlighieri, 14 avril 2012 - 06:40 .
You get a Golden Liara medal for that!doozer12 wrote...
Kilshrek wrote...
AlexMBrennan wrote...
The above was dressed up in mathematical notation - it's very basic set theory. However, many people here seem ignorant of this fact (e.g. they think that quarian-geth peace disproves the Guardian's claim that all organics will eventually destroy all life when it clearly doesn't)
At the risk of further derailing the thread, I believe that this means the Catalyst asserting that synthetics will always destroy organics is false. The Catalyst spoke in absolutes, and I'd like to think the geth-quarian peace meant that, no, it doesn't always have to happen. It could happen again, but that doesn't mean it will.
/derail
mathematics, law of averages - let a complex scenario repeat itself long enough eventually something surprising might occur.
points to whoever gets that reference. think thats what BW was going for?
Also the whole ending talk, lesbian talk - theyre all underlying themes/support beams to the Liara romance of the greater whole (in our limited human mind of understanding, being that Liara is monogendered but we still regard her as female and the whole femshep/liara relationship as lesbian romance...) - theres a reason we keep going back to them and discussing/arguing them because they all play factors into the whole complex idea of romancing our favorite freckled asari. Air it out, discuss, keep an open mind, agree to disagree or (remain silent), move on. The cycle will repeat itself in another 300-500 pages.
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