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[Dude on Fire]

Kilshrek wrote...

Dude on Fire wrote...

I'll be honest, I hate ME3's narrative. No way Shep and Liara would be that casual about their relationship and go like "But... later..." all the time, instead of actually expressing their emotions.
I found the "Flatterer" scene to be weird as heck. Just... doesn't make sence. They've been together long enough to be past casual cheek kisses already
And, as much as I like it when you get the chance to tell Liara you want to spend your life with her, the friendzone attempt before that is just "WTF?".Too much incoherence.

They weren't very casual to me... If you'd continued with Liara from ME 1 - LOTSB, the moment they meet on Mars they're all lovey dovey. The only thing is that the writing doesn't always seem to take this into account. Then right after Mars, while VS is lying on a slab needing medical attention, Shep (this can also happen after visiting the Citadel I suppose) and Liara can again get all lovey dovey, but dude, there's things to be taken care of. VS needs to get medical attention, help needs to be recruited for Earth. The Reapers have JUST invaded, sex later.

And, why doesn't the flatterer scene work? How would you have done it differently?

And again, the writing sadly doesn't take these things into account sometimes. So I'm not saying it's well done throughout, but it's good enough.

The moment you meet on mars is well done, I agree, but when she later asks you about your relationship everything you can say is that you didn't forget about her and that there were more than one reason you came to Mars, followed by Liara saying she'd "like that list... but... later".
I get it if that wasn't really the best time, but then you spend the entire game from that point to the actual romance scene being REALLY casual. I mean, any Shep who has romanced Liara since the beginning - including LotSB - would have taken this reunion with care and expressed the feelings he/she had when looking at Liara's picture before the Suicide Mission.
There's always enough time for words, but the writers didn't seem to find that very relevant.

[jamesisthereason]

Oh, look, a Liara thread.

[DarkCloudd]

Kilshrek wrote...

Dude on Fire wrote...

I'll be honest, I hate ME3's narrative. No way Shep and Liara would be that casual about their relationship and go like "But... later..." all the time, instead of actually expressing their emotions.
I found the "Flatterer" scene to be weird as heck. Just... doesn't make sence. They've been together long enough to be past casual cheek kisses already
And, as much as I like it when you get the chance to tell Liara you want to spend your life with her, the friendzone attempt before that is just "WTF?".Too much incoherence.

They weren't very casual to me... If you'd continued with Liara from ME 1 - LOTSB, the moment they meet on Mars they're all lovey dovey. The only thing is that the writing doesn't always seem to take this into account. Then right after Mars, while VS is lying on a slab needing medical attention, Shep (this can also happen after visiting the Citadel I suppose) and Liara can again get all lovey dovey, but dude, there's things to be taken care of. VS needs to get medical attention, help needs to be recruited for Earth. The Reapers have JUST invaded, sex later.

And, why doesn't the flatterer scene work? How would you have done it differently?

And again, the writing sadly doesn't take these things into account sometimes. So I'm not saying it's well done throughout, but it's good enough.

I think you both make valid points but to be honest, as much as I would have liked to see more of that on screen, unless every romance option got the exact same amount of screen time then it wouldn't have been fair. I never romanced Jacob or Thane but from playing the game through completely once those options are just completely lackluster and the mancers of those relationships have voiced their extreem displeasure about it. If they would have spent that much time on the romance aspect of it then it would have taken away from the rest of the story.

Besides my Femshep and Liara spend alot of time offscreen being a couple, maybe I just have a good imagination that helps me fill in the gaps of what I don't see on the screen all the time. Yes there are times where I wish some dialog would have been different if you have a carried over romance and been faithful the entire time but that part was the writers choice and I have to live with it unless there is an actual bug that is preventing me from getting something that should be there. (I'm looking at you LoTSB bug, only thing I have used Gibbed for in my game). Granted this scene would have been nice to have some kind of romance specific dialog.

[Unit-Alpha]

Lizardviking wrote...

SpectreWarrior wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Here's a quick (very WIP) photo-manip I've been working on:

This is so cute!

That it is.

Thanks guys , it's not my best work (first time trying to photo-manipulate a child/baby) but I'm still happy with how it's progressing. I've started another one with Liara actually in it (I was trying to add her hand on Shepard's left shoulder, but I couldn't find a satisfactory stock photo).

[SuperClutch16]

d32f123 wrote...

SuperClutch16 wrote...

Part 3 of Mass Effect 3: Awakening (my fan fiction) is up and ready to read! :happy:

Part 1: http://browse.devian...kening#/d4vr0ak

Part 2: http://browse.devian...kening#/d4vv0np

*New* Part 3: http://browse.devian...kening#/d4wc2d9

Wow, i really enjoyed, are you going to write part 4?

Of course!

[Thorn Harvestar]

SuperClutch16 wrote...

d32f123 wrote...

SuperClutch16 wrote...

Part 3 of Mass Effect 3: Awakening (my fan fiction) is up and ready to read! :happy:

Part 1: http://browse.devian...kening#/d4vr0ak

Part 2: http://browse.devian...kening#/d4vv0np

*New* Part 3: http://browse.devian...kening#/d4wc2d9

Wow, i really enjoyed, are you going to write part 4?

Of course!

Haha, just what I was about to ask.

Thanks for sharing this with us

[SuperClutch16]

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

SuperClutch16 wrote...

d32f123 wrote...

SuperClutch16 wrote...

Part 3 of Mass Effect 3: Awakening (my fan fiction) is up and ready to read! :happy:

Part 1: http://browse.devian...kening#/d4vr0ak

Part 2: http://browse.devian...kening#/d4vv0np

*New* Part 3: http://browse.devian...kening#/d4wc2d9

Wow, i really enjoyed, are you going to write part 4?

Of course!

Haha, just what I was about to ask.

Thanks for sharing this with us

Its my pleasure, I'm glad you're enjoying it
Don't worry, I'm definitely going to write more. Part 3 isnt the end

[d32f123]

SuperClutch16 wrote...

d32f123 wrote...

SuperClutch16 wrote...

Part 3 of Mass Effect 3: Awakening (my fan fiction) is up and ready to read! :happy:

Part 1: http://browse.devian...kening#/d4vr0ak

Part 2: http://browse.devian...kening#/d4vv0np

*New* Part 3: http://browse.devian...kening#/d4wc2d9

Wow, i really enjoyed, are you going to write part 4?

Of course!

Waiting for it.

[Alchemist4]

Lizardviking wrote...

SpectreWarrior wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Here's a quick (very WIP) photo-manip I've been working on:

This is so cute!

That it is.

The baby is but there is something off about Shep's eyes....his demeanor looks rather creepy.

Modifié par Alchemist4, 15 avril 2012 - 03:47 .

[SuperClutch16]

Alchemist4 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

SpectreWarrior wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Here's a quick (very WIP) photo-manip I've been working on:

This is so cute!

That it is.

The baby is but there is something off about Shep's eyes....looks rather creepy.

It kind looks like he's contemplating whether to eat it or not....

[ladyvader]

Dude on Fire wrote...

I'll be honest, I hate ME3's narrative. No way Shep and Liara would be that casual about their relationship and go like "But... later..." all the time, instead of actually expressing their emotions.
I found the "Flatterer" scene to be weird as heck. Just... doesn't make sence. They've been together long enough to be past casual cheek kisses already
And, as much as I like it when you get the chance to tell Liara you want to spend your life with her, the friendzone attempt before that is just "WTF?".
Too much incoherence.

But have they really?

It's been three years since the ME1.  Shepard was dead for two of them and stuck on Earth for six months.  Liara didn't go with Shepard on the mission against the collectors, so when have they actually spent any real time together?   (No headcanonning it)

Plus you have to take into account, you can start a new romance with Liara in ME3. 

In game, they've been together twice.  Once before Ilos and again when you invite Liara to the Normandy.    And every romance from either ME1 or ME2 acts like Liara does with Sheaprd.  They ask if Shepard still wants to be in a relationship with them.  Tali takes a break up well and so does Jack.  Miranda from my understanding does not, but she does take it well in ME2.

Those of us who romance Liara, got more from that romance than any of the others.  So we really have no room for complaining.  Seriously, we don't.

Modifié par ladyvader, 15 avril 2012 - 04:29 .

[yesikareyes]

ladyvader wrote...


It's been three years since the ME1.  Shepard was dead for two of them and stuck on Earth for six months.  Liara didn't go with Shepard on the mission against the collectors, so when have they actually spent any real time together?   (No headcanonning it)

Plus you have to take into account, you can start a new romance with Liara in ME3. 

In game, they've been together twice.  Once before Ilos and again when you invite Liara to the Normandy.    And every romance from either ME1 or ME2 acts like Liara does with Sheaprd.  They ask if Shepard still wants to be in a relationship with them.  Tali takes a break up well and so does Jack.  Miranda from my understanding does not, but she does take it well in ME2.

Those of us who romance Liara, got more from that romance than any of the others.  So we really have no room for complaining.  Seriously, we don't.

No she does not, I realized that was one of the reasons I went with Miranda during one of my games. I was going to choose Liara but then Miranda cries and then she won't take care of herself well enough that she'd die. When I saw Liara took the "break-up" well, I just chose the scenario where everyone would live. 

[Dude on Fire]

ladyvader wrote...

Dude on Fire wrote...

I'll be honest, I hate ME3's narrative. No way Shep and Liara would be that casual about their relationship and go like "But... later..." all the time, instead of actually expressing their emotions.
I found the "Flatterer" scene to be weird as heck. Just... doesn't make sence. They've been together long enough to be past casual cheek kisses already
And, as much as I like it when you get the chance to tell Liara you want to spend your life with her, the friendzone attempt before that is just "WTF?".
Too much incoherence.

But have they really?

It's been three years since the ME1.  Shepard was dead for two of them and stuck on Earth for six months.  Liara didn't go with Shepard on the mission against the collectors, so when have they actually spent any real time together?   (No headcanonning it)

Plus you have to take into account, you can start a new romance with Liara in ME3. 

In game, they've been together twice.  Once before Ilos and again when you invite Liara to the Normandy.    And every romance from either ME1 or ME2 acts like Liara does with Sheaprd.  They ask if Shepard still wants to be in a relationship with them.  Tali takes a break up well and so does Jack.  Miranda from my understanding does not, but she does take it well in ME2.

Those of us who romance Liara, got more from that romance than any of the others.  So we really have no room for complaining.  Seriously, we don't.

To be honest, I find all the romances in ME3 to be unfullfilling. This is what I'm talking about - narrative incoherence. It doesn't make any sence. Even with Miranda; you liteally went to hell and back with her, and if you've romanced her you've shared something other humans could only dream of.
These relationships are far beyond what they conclude to in ME3, and I find it annoying as heck that they moved the lead writer to TOR, instead of actually working on Mass Effect.
Mass Effect 3 is not what it should have been. They should have given it so much more time - 6 months more, at least. There are moments in the game that are absolutely incredible, and I won't deny any of them, but let's face it: the main reason ME3 is so amazing is because Mass Effect itself is amazing. Meaning: it couldn't possibly have been worse than this (unless they would have TRIED to).
But here we are. The game cannot be undone... but the ending can, and it will.

[ladyvader]

yesikareyes wrote...


No she does not, I realized that was one of the reasons I went with Miranda during one of my games. I was going to choose Liara but then Miranda cries and then she won't take care of herself well enough that she'd die. When I saw Liara took the "break-up" well, I just chose the scenario where everyone would live. 

I do know Miri takes it well in ME2.  And as casual as that romance is, I'm a little surprised on how poorly Miri takes the break up in ME3. 

I like to think Liara sees the bigger picture.  What is at stake.  I'm not sure if all the other LI see the same thing about the war as Liara.  That might be just me though.

[jlb524]

Cadwyn wrote...

Did we miss this other wonderful Neehs' work ? :

neeh, you are killin me here.

[Sarcastic Tasha]

I just replayed ME1 and made a start on ME2 last night. I was surprised when it said at the start of ME2 it was just one month after the events of ME1. Then Pressly says they've been looking for the Geth for 3 weeks. Poor Shep only got a week off after saving the galaxy. So Shepard and Liara have only had one week together when they haven't been on a mission when you think about it. But yeah I did think the "friends" conversation was a little odd. I thought I was only getting that remark because Shep had romanced Thane in ME2 (Lila Shepard can be a crappy person sometimes) I figured faithful Shepards would get a slightly different conversation.

[ladyvader]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

I just replayed ME1 and made a start on ME2 last night. I was surprised when it said at the start of ME2 it was just one month after the events of ME1. Then Pressly says they've been looking for the Geth for 3 weeks. Poor Shep only got a week off after saving the galaxy. So Shepard and Liara have only had one week together when they haven't been on a mission when you think about it. But yeah I did think the "friends" conversation was a little odd. I thought I was only getting that remark because Shep had romanced Thane in ME2 (Lila Shepard can be a crappy person sometimes) I figured faithful Shepards would get a slightly different conversation.

Faithful Shep does get different lines.  The final cabin scene is different from those that cheated or didn't do the DLC.  And there is different dialogue for those that romanced Liara in ME3 only. 

[jlb524]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...
I just replayed ME1 and made a start on ME2 last night. I was surprised when it said at the start of ME2 it was just one month after the events of ME1. Then Pressly says they've been looking for the Geth for 3 weeks. Poor Shep only got a week off after saving the galaxy. So Shepard and Liara have only had one week together when they haven't been on a mission when you think about it. But yeah I did think the "friends" conversation was a little odd. I thought I was only getting that remark because Shep had romanced Thane in ME2 (Lila Shepard can be a crappy person sometimes) I figured faithful Shepards would get a slightly different conversation.

Yeah, if you think about it, they haven't spent that much time as a couple together.  Then Shepard died and was gone two years (from Liara's perspective)...so I guess I'm more tolerant of the 'friends' thing as I see it as Liara being cautious.  She doesn't take relationships lightly at all and wants to make extra sure Shepard is just as serious about it.  I think that's why she's more hesitant with cheater Shepard during the final love scene as far as declaring feelings of love and all that.  IMO, that makes the loyal Shep scene more poignant as she shows her she's finally ready to give herself completely to the relationship.

DarkCloudd wrote...I think you both make valid points but to be honest, as much as I would have liked to see more of that on screen, unless every romance option got the exact same amount of screen time then it wouldn't have been fair. I never romanced Jacob or Thane but from playing the game through completely once those options are just completely lackluster and the mancers of those relationships have voiced their extreem displeasure about it. If they would have spent that much time on the romance aspect of it then it would have taken away from the rest of the story. 

Liara got the most time of any, I would say.  I agree with you ...I think infusing every scene with romance content would be a bit too much, considering the war and all....though I would have liked it as a fan.

DarkCloudd wrote... Besides my Femshep and Liara spend alot of time offscreen being a couple, maybe I just have a good imagination that helps me fill in the gaps of what I don't see on the screen all the time.

I typically do the same.  They have extra 'dates' and sexy stuff happens.

Modifié par jlb524, 15 avril 2012 - 05:00 .

[yesikareyes]

ladyvader wrote...

I do know Miri takes it well in ME2.  And as casual as that romance is, I'm a little surprised on how poorly Miri takes the break up in ME3. 

I like to think Liara sees the bigger picture.  What is at stake.  I'm not sure if all the other LI see the same thing about the war as Liara.  That might be just me though.

I know right? I was surprised too! I thought to myself, well she'll take it easily because when I tried rejecting her in ME2 she didn't think much of it and she understood why. Well, maybe it's because she really fell in love with Shepard? She does say that she grew so attached to him.

*Sigh* I probably shouldn't have cheated on anyone lol.
Yeah, I admire Liara for being so strong and understanding of Shepard. That's what draws me in! 

[Erenbe]

yesikareyes wrote...


No she does not, I realized that was one of the reasons I went with Miranda during one of my games. I was going to choose Liara but then Miranda cries and then she won't take care of herself well enough that she'd die. When I saw Liara took the "break-up" well, I just chose the scenario where everyone would live. 

The crying is due to the way her pants get eaten by her butt. Seriously, I just had got a butt-shot in game a moment ago and that looks painful. I would also cry any chance I get if my pants would be sitting that uncomfortably 

And to stay on topic: Liara takes it well when you break up with her but her face and her reaction speak volumes. I just tried it once and it was painful to watch so that I immediately went back and redid it. 

[ladyvader]

Erenbe wrote...

yesikareyes wrote...


No she does not, I realized that was one of the reasons I went with Miranda during one of my games. I was going to choose Liara but then Miranda cries and then she won't take care of herself well enough that she'd die. When I saw Liara took the "break-up" well, I just chose the scenario where everyone would live. 

The crying is due to the way her pants get eaten by her butt. Seriously, I just had got a butt-shot in game a moment ago and that looks painful. I would also cry any chance I get if my pants would be sitting that uncomfortably 

And to stay on topic: Liara takes it well when you break up with her but her face and her reaction speak volumes. I just tried it once and it was painful to watch so that I immediately went back and redid it. 

I wouldn't break up with Liara, so I won't be seeing it.  Did watch some stuff on YouTube and it makes me sad.  Like the dolt that didn't allow Liara to give the gift while on Earth.  Or not have her spend the night.  No no no no no.  Can't do that. 



If I'm in a Liara romance with a femShep, I don't even let Traynor sniff my shower.  I asked you to come up to my quarters to play chess.  Not for you to take a shower.    Besides my love is two decks down.  

Modifié par ladyvader, 15 avril 2012 - 05:26 .

[Sarcastic Tasha]

I've actually managed to play through ME1 without romancing Liara. I had to avoid collecting her so that I wouldn't be tempted (no Shepard can resist Liara's charms). The game really tries to push you into going to get her though, after every main quest someone would suggest looking for Dr T'Soni. I was playing as an infiltrator and I have to say it was my most challenging playthrough to date. It was nifty to see crazy Liara but ultimately it isn't worth not having her around (both for combat and conversation). I did love how she whinges that it isn't fair that she's been studying the protheans for fifty years then Shep finds out crap loads about them by accident.

[Arcataye]

jlb524 wrote...
She doesn't take relationships lightly at all and wants to make extra sure Shepard is just as serious about it.  I think that's why she's more hesitant with cheater Shepard during the final love scene as far as declaring feelings of love and all that.  IMO, that makes the loyal Shep scene more poignant as she shows her she's finally ready to give herself completely to the relationship.

And the next day Shepard is gone and Liara is lost in space.... :crying:

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...
It was nifty to see crazy Liara but ultimately it isn't worth not having her around

Crazy Liara? Does she go mad if she spends too much time trapped in that bubble?

Modifié par Arcataye, 15 avril 2012 - 05:29 .

[Erenbe]

ladyvader wrote...
I wouldn't break up with Liara, so I won't be seeing it.  Did watch some stuff on YouTube and it makes me sad.  Like the dolt that didn't allow Liara to give the gift while on Earth.  Or not have her spend the night.  No no no no no.  Can't do that.  



If I'm in a Liara romance with a femShep, I don't even let Traynor sniff my shower.  I asked you to come up to my quarters to play chess.  Not for you to take a shower.    Besides my love is two decks down.  

In understand you perfectly. I was curious and wanted to give it a try.....never again. her face was just so...sad....and my heart broke  

TotP:

Modifié par Erenbe, 15 avril 2012 - 05:30 .

[ladyvader]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

I've actually managed to play through ME1 without romancing Liara. I had to avoid collecting her so that I wouldn't be tempted (no Shepard can resist Liara's charms). The game really tries to push you into going to get her though, after every main quest someone would suggest looking for Dr T'Soni. I was playing as an infiltrator and I have to say it was my most challenging playthrough to date. It was nifty to see crazy Liara but ultimately it isn't worth not having her around (both for combat and conversation). I did love how she whinges that it isn't fair that she's been studying the protheans for fifty years then Shep finds out crap loads about them by accident.

I know.  I was whoa, Liara.  It's okay.  I can see why she acted like that.  She's been studying the Protheans for 50 years and some uptstart human she just met tells her the info she has been missing.  

I'm sure if the roles where in reverse, Shepard would act about the same.