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[TMA LIVE]

I'm just glad Liara is most likely going to be alive in whatever future entry in the series is going to happen. If Mass Effect 4 is 900 years in the future, there's a chance we'll see her, or Shepard's kid (if we got one).

[Tyranniac]

TMA LIVE wrote...

I'm just glad Liara is most likely going to be alive in whatever future entry in the series is going to happen. If Mass Effect 4 is 900 years in the future, there's a chance we'll see her, or Shepard's kid (if we got one).

I think it would be rather awful if Liara appeared in a future Mass Effect title. It would effectively destroy any headcanon in place.

[Aristobulus500]

TheMarshal wrote...
While I agree with you that Liara is a subtle character that you have to examine closely to truly appreciate, I am also fully aware that she was designed to fill the virginal damsel-in-distress archetype that appeals to a number of people.  Same thing with the asari.  But both have managed to capture my imagination far beyond whatever initial design goals they may have been created with.

It's also clear that she's a writer/designer/producer favorite, and as such has been given an unprecedented amount of screen time and plot-importance.  While there is a small, vocal minority that loathes her, a slightly larger minority which simply dislikes her being "forced" upon the player, I would argue that Liara is definitely one of the most popular characters in the game outside of Shepard.

I take issue with this. If you just want to say that during designing process a part of her - and the asari - was meant to be a damsel in distress archetype, that's one thing.

But Liara - and the Asari - as they are in Mass Effect, what we the players, actually see and interact with? It is far more than that. There's a bit of that there, especially at first, but once you rescue Liara from Therum they both really start being fleshed out and developed into much more than damsels in distress.

Let me clear, I am not interested in weak damsels in distress. I disliked Liara at first because that's what I thought she was. Then she proved my first impressions wrong - so I really take issue with it being said that I'm basically just buying into a damsel in distress archetype.

I don't know if you intended to argue all that, though.

[TMA LIVE]

Tyranniac wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I'm just glad Liara is most likely going to be alive in whatever future entry in the series is going to happen. If Mass Effect 4 is 900 years in the future, there's a chance we'll see her, or Shepard's kid (if we got one).

I think it would be rather awful if Liara appeared in a future Mass Effect title. It would effectively destroy any headcanon in place.

Every sequel changes a fan's headcannon as to what happened next. If you don't like your head cannon messed with, don't play sequels.

[jlb524]

Aristobulus500 wrote...
That's because Liara ISN'T the most popular LI. For a long time, she wasn't even liked by most of the fanbase, much less a favorite. It took until LotSB for people to start to come around, and ME3 really started shifting peoples opinions.

I'm not sure if that's true.  I think people who hate the character are quite vocal, but I think most people like her at least.

CaptainDope wrote...
You know what makes me sad? Even though Liara is seemingly the most popular LI for Shepard, the threads about Tali, Miranda and even Kaidan have hundreds of more thread pages than this one

That doesn't mean anything.  It's tough to gauge popularity based on threads.

Tyranniac wrote...
I would say Garrus could compete for this role.

He's too irrelevant to the plot.

Modifié par jlb524, 19 avril 2012 - 07:39 .

[kumquats]

About Liara's death. I'm glad it's not possible.
For one thing, you have the option to kill everyone in ME2. If you didn't want a Virmire 2.0 situation, then you can kill Ashley/Kaidan or send them away.
That leaves you with three Squadis: Vega, EDI and Liara.
And then you want to kill Liara, to give the player only two (three) Squadmates.

In this scenario, you could epically troll Liara, by playing the Ashes DLC, after she dies. xD

Btw: Mordin DOESN'T have to die. Mordin has like every ME2 Squadmate a little talk in the Endgame. It's your choice to let him go and die. Or it's your choice to murder him. The same goes for Wrex. You can choose to let him live or die, twice in the trilogy.

The only death that is inevitable is Legion's (If he survives ME2^^), but his death is just about creating a whole new species. So that's actually a bittersweet thing. Or you kill him, because you don't trust synthetics.
Legion is all about important themes and not about killing him of to create pointless drama.

Modifié par kumquats, 19 avril 2012 - 07:39 .

[Zwei133]

Tyranniac wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

Your opinion. If you don't think thats reasonable, then explain why.

I don't even know how I could possibly explain that. There's just no way it would have a worse impact on the narrative than the ending. No way at all. It might distrupt the narrative, yes, but not like that!

Sunnie22 wrote... 
Yes, she is the co-star, and yes, she is the defacto "best friend" to Shepard even if the player themselves don't think so.

 

I would say Garrus could compete for this role.

Garrus was definitely my femshep's best friend.

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

CaptainDope wrote...
You know what makes me sad? Even though Liara is seemingly the most popular LI for Shepard, the threads about Tali, Miranda and even Kaidan have hundreds of more thread pages than this one

That doesn't mean anything.  It's tough to gauge popularity based on threads.

Longer threads could simply mean more to complain about, or simply more internet fans at this site. It doesn't mean anything. Example, Femshep is very popular on the forums when ME2 came out, and more popular then MaleShep, but Bioware claimed only 20% actually played her.

[Tyranniac]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I'm just glad Liara is most likely going to be alive in whatever future entry in the series is going to happen. If Mass Effect 4 is 900 years in the future, there's a chance we'll see her, or Shepard's kid (if we got one).

I think it would be rather awful if Liara appeared in a future Mass Effect title. It would effectively destroy any headcanon in place.

Every sequel changes a fan's headcannon as to what happened next. If you don't like your head cannon messed with, don't play sequels.

I don't think you understand. I don't feel any major characters from the Mass Effect trilogy should appear in future titles, especially Liara. They're supposed to be done now. Of course I can't really argue this any further due to the current situation. If things weren't the way they were I would say that it's nice to allow the player to make up their own mind as to what happens after the conclusion of the story has established the immediate future.

Once again, this is obviously irrelevant due to the situation.

jlb524 wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...
I would say Garrus could compete for this role.

He's too irrelevant to the plot.

 

Guess I was a bit unclear. I meant as best friend, not co-star. If there's a co-star it's clearly Joker. 

Modifié par Tyranniac, 19 avril 2012 - 07:45 .

[FRANCESCO84Inn]

i need a sequel, but not 900 years in the future, only 1 or 2 years after ME3, i prefer follow the idea to have again Shepard for playble charecter, but its possible for me have Sheaprd Admiral, this role come because Hacket have selected Shepard thet successor,

and its possible impersonate one of the major species in the Galaxy, plus Shepard become you senior and you come to take your order.

[TMA LIVE]

There's no way in hell they'd make a sequel about Shepard, when 4 of the other endings have him dead. There's also way too many choices to track, that I'm sure Bioware would want to restart fresh with. So 900 years later is the best way to go, so a new character and story can be created, without having to do a lot. And Liara could be there to talk about "The Shepard".

If they do do a sequel, I imagine it would be about First Contact happening again, after the Relays have been rebuilt.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 19 avril 2012 - 07:50 .

[TMA LIVE]

I also imagine they'd want to start fresh because the new Xbox and PS4 are coming. Which will make importing difficult if they can't use the same save file.

[Sunnie]

Tyranniac wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote... 
Yes, she is the co-star, and yes, she is the defacto "best friend" to Shepard even if the player themselves don't think so.

 
I would say Garrus could compete for this role.

Garrus can be completely ignored after joining the squad, Liara can't. Liara fights to get Shepards body back after Shepard is killed, Garrus doesn't. Liara is responsible for Shepard still being Shepard and still human rather than some Reaper machinima. Garrus adds nothing to the narrative unitl his apperance in ME3 on the Palavan moon.
Sorry, but Garrus can't compete with that in the narrative, at all.

[Tyranniac]

Sunnie22 wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote... 
Yes, she is the co-star, and yes, she is the defacto "best friend" to Shepard even if the player themselves don't think so.

 
I would say Garrus could compete for this role.

Garrus can be completely ignored after joining the squad, Liara can't. Liara fights to get Shepards body back after Shepard is killed, Garrus doesn't. Liara is responsible for Shepard still being Shepard and still human rather than some Reaper machinima. Garrus adds nothing to the narrative unitl his apperance in ME3 on the Palavan moon.
Sorry, but Garrus can't compete with that in the narrative, at all.

As I said above, I may have been a bit unclear. I meant as best friend, not co-star.

[FRANCESCO84Inn]

@TMA LIVE, for you Cerberus is defeated ? TIM is defeated ? Sheaprd live not die, is possbile Salarian go move war to the Korgan, in the Galaxy have more species and more hostile specie, for have more situation for have Shepard,

and way 900 years in the future ? have more sense have the sequel after mons of many years bot not century.

but this is my opinion, and i need the possibility to take and pay may sequal about Sheaprd or Liara, dem not is finish the history about Shepard, Liara and the other squad member.

edti: i'm pc gamer and i not have problem about save importation.

and for me all possible sequel is able to give to he player for put in the game the choice take in ME3, whit Shepard or not, because i need watch the choice take from my Female Sheaprd.

Modifié par FRANCESCO84Inn, 19 avril 2012 - 08:01 .

[Barquiel]

Well, Casey Hudson has stated in the Final Hours app that he didn't want future stories set after the the events of ME3.

[Sunnie]

Tyranniac wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote... 
Yes, she is the co-star, and yes, she is the defacto "best friend" to Shepard even if the player themselves don't think so.

 
I would say Garrus could compete for this role.

Garrus can be completely ignored after joining the squad, Liara can't. Liara fights to get Shepards body back after Shepard is killed, Garrus doesn't. Liara is responsible for Shepard still being Shepard and still human rather than some Reaper machinima. Garrus adds nothing to the narrative unitl his apperance in ME3 on the Palavan moon.
Sorry, but Garrus can't compete with that in the narrative, at all.

As I said above, I may have been a bit unclear. I meant as best friend, not co-star.

And I thought I was pretty clear about Liara being Shepards best friend in the narrative.

[Aristobulus500]

If they don't fix the nature of the ending, and the ending DLC leaves things as they are, all of this sequel talk is pointless because the IP has been torched and destroyed, and there's not enough there for satisfying prequels. Especially with the knowledge that it doesn't matter because Shepard eventually destroys the galaxy.

If the ending DLC leaves things as they are, I will not be buying any further games from them, I simply am not interested in a warhammer 40k style ME game, and prequels feel so pointless with that ending in place.

[Tyranniac]

Sunnie22 wrote...

And I thought I was pretty clear about Liara being Shepards best friend in the narrative.

Ah, I see. I have nothing more to add then.

Aristobulus500 wrote...

If they don't fix the nature of the ending, and the ending DLC leaves things as they are, all of this sequel talk is pointless because the IP has been torched and destroyed, and there's not enough there for satisfying prequels. Especially with the knowledge that it doesn't matter because Shepard eventually destroys the galaxy.
.

 

That would be what I meant by the the current situation.

Modifié par Tyranniac, 19 avril 2012 - 08:04 .

[Sunnie]

FRANCESCO84Inn wrote...

@TMA LIVE, for you Cerberus is defeated ? TIM is defeated ? Sheaprd live not die, is possbile Salarian go move war to the Korgan, in the Galaxy have more species and more hostile specie, for have more situation for have Shepard,

and way 900 years in the future ? have more sense have the sequel after mons of many years bot not century.

but this is my opinion, and i need the possibility to take and pay may sequal about Sheaprd or Liara, dem not is finish the history about Shepard, Liara and the other squad member.

edti: i'm pc gamer and i not have problem about save importation.

and for me all possible sequel is able to give to he player for put in the game the choice take in ME3, whit Shepard or not, because i need watch the choice take from my Female Sheaprd.

Sorry, but at this point, there's no possibility for any future games that includes Shepard. Any future games will not involve Shepard and they have stated that on numerous occasions.

[Tyranniac]

Sunnie22 wrote...


Sorry, but at this point, there's no possibility for any future games that includes Shepard. Any future games will not involve Shepard and they have stated that on numerous occasions.

That was a good call by them I think, Shepard's story should be done. Provided there's satisfying conclusion, of course. Which there isn't.

Edit:

This is also the reason I didn't want Liara in any future title by the way: If Shepard's story is done, then Liara shouldn't appear either, especially not for a Shepard with Liara as LI.

Modifié par Tyranniac, 19 avril 2012 - 08:08 .

[kumquats]

Barquiel wrote...

Well, Casey Hudson has stated in the Final Hours app that he didn't want future stories set after the the events of ME3.

And then Gamble said we should keep our ME3 savegames.
I think at this point, anything can happen, but I will gladly spend more time in ME3.
Omega and Illium, I want to go back there! And give me some funny Aria and Liara dialogues.

[GreenFlag]

<3

[FRANCESCO84Inn]

@Sunnie22, so which is the point to have take some choice in the series if the new chapter base in ME Universe not have the consequences take by the player especially in ME3 ?

and i talk whit Shepard and wihtout Shepard.

not have sense for me play in this new game and maybe chepter, its difficult for me deliver my opinion.

and honestly i never come to fell the some love for another charecter,

Liara is special, and maybe the andventure in ME for me finish in this trilogy.

Modifié par FRANCESCO84Inn, 19 avril 2012 - 08:18 .

[PMC65]

doozer12 wrote...

CaptainDope wrote...

You know what makes me sad? Even though Liara is seemingly the most popular LI for Shepard, the threads about Tali, Miranda and even Kaidan have hundreds of more thread pages than this one

Yes but do they have quality?   Quantity isn't everything.  *looks back at all the artistic nude page filling with liara* ...hmmm

Doozer ... your avatar so matches your comment!

As to pages ... Tali's thread gets hit heavy with trolls which is sad, Miranda's can be great with debates but it also gets arguments (not the same as debates) and heavy name calling ... Kaidan's is a fun thread though with lots of great pictures and posters. They have had some internal arguments over Kaidan being with MShep vs FShep like we do here since Liara is also shared.

I also don't see more posters just more active posters in those threads as well.