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[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

DarkCloudd wrote...

I actually managed to get the post Thessia Liara conversation on this playthrough, don't know how I missed it last time, but I have to say it made me feel . I mean dam Bioware, paragon interrupt Shepard makes me feel like a renagade with how cold she is to Liara. Tali gets a paragon interrupt hug when she loses her father in ME2 and Liara can't even get a simple hug when she loses her homeworld???? The rest of the conversation doesn't help any either, "I need time" line really hurt if you are in a romance with her. I know she became a bit colder in ME2 and it wasn't an all bad thing but why would she just shut Shepard out like that? Bioware I'm not super impressed with that scene. It's almost more disappointing than Kei Leng cheating to beat you on Thessia.    

 Not the best scene you ever made Bioware. I can kind of understand why they went that route but they could have at least had the paragon interrupt allow her to cry on your shoulder for a little while, fade to black, then talk her into helping the refugees.

Just had to rant about that scene was all.

Everything with Thessia was bad.

The mission was pretty much like the Reaper IFF mission, a complete turd in terms of quality.

[Aristobulus500]

I said it before, but the reason Shepard is so cold to Liara there is because, to my knowledge, romancing Liara does not factor into that scene at all. I'm serious. All that matters is if you paragon or renegade her.

Watch that scene again and this time pretend that Shepard isn't romancing Liara and it makes more sense and fits better.

It boggles my mind that Bioware didn't think they needed to make a variation of that scene for Liara romancers though. I can barely think of a scene that needs such a variation more, I mean jesus christ what Liara is going through and a Shep romancing her can't help her?

[Erenbe]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

I said it before, but the reason Shepard is so cold to Liara there is because, to my knowledge, romancing Liara does not factor into that scene at all. I'm serious. All that matters is if you paragon or renegade her.

Watch that scene again and this time pretend that Shepard isn't romancing Liara and it makes more sense and fits better.

It boggles my mind that Bioware didn't think they needed to make a variation of that scene for Liara romancers though. I can barely think of a scene that needs such a variation more, I mean jesus christ what Liara is going through and a Shep romancing her can't help her?

Well, Tali got a hug regardless of whether you were romancing her or not. For me that is just common decency if someone is that devastated. Of course a little speech also helps to jolt them out of their grief but a nice hug helps in addition to that. I guess we can file this in the "oh we ran out of money/time"-bin.

Man, this game has such ups and downs in quality...it continues to baffle me what they were thinking when releasing it. By now I have the feeling that I spend most of my time on the citadel running around like an idiot in search of conversations I can listen in as I fear I would miss out on some stupid fetch quest. And once in a while the quest hunt is interrupted by some mission that is over too soon! 

[VarrenSoldier]

We wanted a hug interrupt...
And all we got was a lame speech.

[hammyhamstersy]

DarkCloudd wrote...

I actually managed to get the post Thessia Liara conversation on this playthrough, don't know how I missed it last time, but I have to say it made me feel . I mean dam Bioware, paragon interrupt Shepard makes me feel like a renagade with how cold she is to Liara. Tali gets a paragon interrupt hug when she loses her father in ME2 and Liara can't even get a simple hug when she loses her homeworld???? The rest of the conversation doesn't help any either, "I need time" line really hurt if you are in a romance with her. I know she became a bit colder in ME2 and it wasn't an all bad thing but why would she just shut Shepard out like that? Bioware I'm not super impressed with that scene. It's almost more disappointing than Kei Leng cheating to beat you on Thessia.    

 Not the best scene you ever made Bioware. I can kind of understand why they went that route but they could have at least had the paragon interrupt allow her to cry on your shoulder for a little while, fade to black, then talk her into helping the refugees.

Just had to rant about that scene was all.

Edit: whoops top pic, Even Liara tried to comfort Shep after the temple fight.....

I really liked that scene.  Remember Liara wasn't even this distraught when her own mother died.  And given the circumstances I felt that she needed stability and to see that breaking down now would be the worst thing that could happen.  Because to me Liara crying isn't just her having a cry and will get over it soon.  It's her seeing the destruction of her home and losing all hope for the future.  

Prior to this the Asari were pretty much untouchable and had probably seen the least conflict in any of the wars.  Sure they had commandos but they were always more about dipolmacy and espionage.  After so many years and suddenly your world comes crashing down like that?  Yeah I think if I was in Liara's shoes I'd really lose hope in everything.  Not to mention she's really quite young and despite trying to be a badass biotic I've always felt that deep down she's really still that naive, adorable  academic.    

[Aristobulus500]

hammyhamstersy wrote...

I really liked that scene.  Remember Liara wasn't even this distraught when her own mother died.  And given the circumstances I felt that she needed stability and to see that breaking down now would be the worst thing that could happen.  Because to me Liara crying isn't just her having a cry and will get over it soon.  It's her seeing the destruction of her home and losing all hope for the future.  

Prior to this the Asari were pretty much untouchable and had probably seen the least conflict in any of the wars.  Sure they had commandos but they were always more about dipolmacy and espionage.  After so many years and suddenly your world comes crashing down like that?  Yeah I think if I was in Liara's shoes I'd really lose hope in everything.  Not to mention she's really quite young and despite trying to be a badass biotic I've always felt that deep down she's really still that naive, adorable  academic.    

I think you're missing the point. It doesn't seem like very many people are saying Liara's reaction is bad or unwarranted - in fact I find her reaction perfectly reasonable, and it is very distressing to see as a fan of her.

What people are complaining about is the way Shepard responds, especially if Shep is romancing her. He acts very cold and distant, and isn't really there for Liara, like he should be.

[pacer90]

While im disappointed they didn't flag that you were with her vs just friends, i think they were trying to pull something off that didn't work out so well.

Shepard at that point is running on fumes. Its hard to be the crutch for liara, because its the lowest point of the story for shep as well. I think bioware tried to avoid having shepard be uplifting or tender be he's frazzled at that point. Hell the conversation with joker proves it. (He says you look like ****)

[Aristobulus500]

pacer90 wrote...

While im disappointed they didn't flag that you were with her vs just friends, i think they were trying to pull something off that didn't work out so well.

Shepard at that point is running on fumes. Its hard to be the crutch for liara, because its the lowest point of the story for shep as well. I think bioware tried to avoid having shepard be uplifting or tender be he's frazzled at that point. Hell the conversation with joker proves it. (He says you look like ****)

That might be true, but if that's the case, Shepard's portrayal there is still a failure because he doesn't come across as simply too exhausted and defeated himself to be any consolation, he just seems cold and distant.

They would've had to change up Shepard's words and actions if they wanted to play up that both Shepard and Liara are devastated - I mean, yes, Shepard is clearly distraught when talking to the Asari councilor, but that haze doesn't still seem to be over him when he goes into Liara's room.

They should've done things like have him kindof shuffle slowly into her room, and just overall look pretty beat up about himself, while still trying to talk to her. Have him be visibly upset and just clearly unable to articulate the right things at that point - maybe have him physically just show exhaustion by leaning up against a wall or something like that. I don't know.

[pacer90]

Yeah that's what i mean, it was poorly handled. Well, it was ok because you didn't get to console anyone else in me3 like that, but it could have been spectacular.

[IliyaMoroumetz]

Speaking for myself, Nora Shepard would have hugged, kissed, and proceed to give Liara the best comfort loving ever.

Because, frankly, Nora and Liara have been an item since ME1 and they got some serious catching up to do in regards to shagging.

[Arcataye]

Aristobulus500 wrote...
That might be true, but if that's the case, Shepard's portrayal there is still a failure because he doesn't come across as simply too exhausted and defeated himself to be any consolation, he just seems cold and distant.

He really just seemed like he was talking to some random crewmember who needed a pep talk, I don't know.
What I really expected from the scene while I played was that he'd hug her and the scene fades out, but no.

For a real simple and better than the jackass Shepard, the scene could've been that he just walks over to Liara and sits next to her, then fade the scene out. I mean there's even no need for words/touch. It would've been enough to show that he's there for her. And that would've worked as both LI / non-LI scene I guess.

Modifié par Arcataye, 20 avril 2012 - 02:28 .

[DarkCloudd]

Arcataye wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...
That might be true, but if that's the case, Shepard's portrayal there is still a failure because he doesn't come across as simply too exhausted and defeated himself to be any consolation, he just seems cold and distant.

He really just seemed like he was talking to some random crewmember who needed a pep talk, I don't know.
What I really expected from the scene while I played was that he'd hug her and the scene fades out, but no.

For a real simple and better than the jackass Shepard, the scene could've been that he just walks over to Liara and sits next to her, then fade the scene out. I mean there's even no need for words/touch. It would've been enough to show that he's there for her. And that would've worked as both LI / non-LI scene I guess.

This mainly is what I was thinking. Even if you don't romance Liara but are friends with her, Liara is the character that your Shepard doesn't have to be "Commander Shepard" with, she sees you as just Shepard, you don't have to wear the emotional armor around her because she sees right through it anyway. I would have much rather had a 5 minute conversation where they are both comforting and building each other back up, because that's the way the Asari are. They are the diplomats and voices of reason, but the way the scene played out it was just, cold, bastard Shepard saying "get back to work".

IliyaMoroumetz wrote...

Speaking for myself, Nora Shepard would have hugged, kissed, and proceed to give Liara the best comfort loving ever.

Because, frankly, Nora and Liara have been an item since ME1 and they got some serious catching up to do in regards to shagging.

I'm not saying I disagree with you but this is something I can headcannon happening. I don't need to see it in game all the time. I just would have liked to see alt dialog that was romance specific in that scene where Liara at least got a hug or a shoulder to cry on, something would have been better that what played out.

[Grimwick]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

I said it before, but the reason Shepard is so cold to Liara there is because, to my knowledge, romancing Liara does not factor into that scene at all. I'm serious. All that matters is if you paragon or renegade her.

Watch that scene again and this time pretend that Shepard isn't romancing Liara and it makes more sense and fits better.

It boggles my mind that Bioware didn't think they needed to make a variation of that scene for Liara romancers though. I can barely think of a scene that needs such a variation more, I mean jesus christ what Liara is going through and a Shep romancing her can't help her?

So so true. I think the words that were spoken were needed though, she needed to be lifted from despair forcefully somewhat. On the other hand a hug or some actual consoling would have been far more appropriate for an LI interaction which is just ridiculous to have been left out. <_<

[FRANCESCO84Inn]

new screenshot about Liara on Tuchanka



<3

Modifié par FRANCESCO84Inn, 20 avril 2012 - 03:09 .

[GreenFlag]

nice moment

[CrazyGreggy]

Wulfram wrote...

Liara prefers to deal with grief privately. We saw that in ME1 with Benezia, when she's even more thorough in shutting Shepard out.

I probably wouldn't have acted like Shepard does in that scene, but I think Shepard actually got it right. What Liara needed was someone to jolt her out of despair and guilt, not a shoulder to cry on.

Seems like I'm going to be the only person to agree with you here, I've watched it over and over and getting Liara out of her grief and doing something for the refugees is the right thing to do imo. It's not the tender thing, it's not the loving thing, but it IS the right thing.

[Marlon Johnston]

Grimwick wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

I said it before, but the reason Shepard is so cold to Liara there is because, to my knowledge, romancing Liara does not factor into that scene at all. I'm serious. All that matters is if you paragon or renegade her.

Watch that scene again and this time pretend that Shepard isn't romancing Liara and it makes more sense and fits better.

It boggles my mind that Bioware didn't think they needed to make a variation of that scene for Liara romancers though. I can barely think of a scene that needs such a variation more, I mean jesus christ what Liara is going through and a Shep romancing her can't help her?

So so true. I think the words that were spoken were needed though, she needed to be lifted from despair forcefully somewhat. On the other hand a hug or some actual consoling would have been far more appropriate for an LI interaction which is just ridiculous to have been left out. <_<

Yeah pretty much. I don't understand why Bioware didn't make a romance variation because seriously I was expecting more then just coldly saying a few words and not giving much comfort after she witnessed her homeworld being attacked by the Reapers. Tali get's a hug when she finds her dad dead and Liara just get's a pep talk when her entire homeworld and people are getting decimated by the Reapers. What the hell Bioware? What the actual hell!? I would have been satisfied if it ended with Shepard giving Liara either a kiss or a hug and it fading out or something like the other guys have said or a bit of a converstaion if she's your LI. I really was hoping for more interaction with LI's then what we recieved.

[Robhuzz]

Wulfram wrote...

Liara prefers to deal with grief privately. We saw that in ME1 with Benezia, when she's even more thorough in shutting Shepard out.

I probably wouldn't have acted like Shepard does in that scene, but I think Shepard actually got it right. What Liara needed was someone to jolt her out of despair and guilt, not a shoulder to cry on.

I'm inclined to agree with this, even though I would've loved a paragon intterupt hug.

What's really strange is how Liara didn't see this coming. I mean... really? Did she somehow think that the planet could be saved by finding that prothean VI? Like finding the key to the catalyst (as the asari councillor said it I think) would magically stop the Reapers from overwhelming the asari resistance?

From the moment the first news reports rolled in about Thessia it was apparent the Reapers were throwing a lot of forces at them, and without the vast military expertise or fleets that the Turians had (in addition to the support of the Krogan), everyone could've put 2 and 2 together and realize Thessia would be lost. I guess seeing your home get destroyed first hand would still be rough to say the least, especially for someone like Liara who, despite having been through a lot, still isn't a battle hardened soldier like Shepard. But they still acted as if the fall of Thessia was a complete surprise while it was clearly not...

[Aristobulus500]

Robhuzz wrote...
I'm inclined to agree with this, even though I would've loved a paragon intterupt hug.

What's really strange is how Liara didn't see this coming. I mean... really? Did she somehow think that the planet could be saved by finding that prothean VI? Like finding the key to the catalyst (as the asari councillor said it I think) would magically stop the Reapers from overwhelming the asari resistance?

From the moment the first news reports rolled in about Thessia it was apparent the Reapers were throwing a lot of forces at them, and without the vast military expertise or fleets that the Turians had (in addition to the support of the Krogan), everyone could've put 2 and 2 together and realize Thessia would be lost. I guess seeing your home get destroyed first hand would still be rough to say the least, especially for someone like Liara who, despite having been through a lot, still isn't a battle hardened soldier like Shepard. But they still acted as if the fall of Thessia was a complete surprise while it was clearly not...

There's a difference between knowing something can and might happen, and actually seeing it happen.

There's also a key difference between Thessia and literally every other major homeworld you visit - it's actually lost. Only the Batarians get the same treatment the Asari do - every other major race has it better. Sure, Garrus/Wrex/Shepard all get to see their homeworlds being ravaged by the Reapers, and it's rough, but none of those planets are lost.

Palaven you go to and you're actually putting serious effort into getting a fleet there to help re-take it and defend it. That's what Tuchanka is all about, getting Krogan support for Palaven.

Tuchanka, you have an entire arc about making it better for the Krogan there, and you do a lot to relieve pressure on the Krogan, and even kill a Reaper.

Earth - the entire game is about getting together a huge fleet to go to Earth.

Thessia? Nothing. It's lost. There's no effort being put into defending or retaking it, all resources are spent elsewhere. So not only does Liara have to deal with the same destruction, but she has to deal with not being able to do much to help, Thessia is just gone. They won't get it back except as part of the entire package that should come with defeating the Reapers.

[Barquiel]

Robhuzz wrote...

What's really strange is how Liara didn't see this coming. I mean... really? Did she somehow think that the planet could be saved by finding that prothean VI? Like finding the key to the catalyst (as the asari councillor said it I think) would magically stop the Reapers from overwhelming the asari resistance?

I think it is more the fact that they had the chance to obtain info on the Catalyst and end the war, which would save millions of lives (according to the codex, the reapers have 400 processor ships on Earth, killing approximately 1.86 million humans per day...and I guess the situation on Thessia is similar)

[Arcataye]

Found an awesome... more than awesome Mass Effect music video with some house music in Flux.

Mass Effect - DJ Hawk Palaven @ Flux

Oh Liara's eyes... so sensual. Too bad Cerberus didn't restore Shepard's dance moves.

Modifié par Arcataye, 20 avril 2012 - 05:01 .

[TheMarshal]

Arcataye wrote...

Found an awesome... more than awesome Mass Effect music video with some house music in Flux.

Mass Effect - DJ Hawk Palaven @ Flux

Oh Liara's eyes... so sensual. Too bad Cerberus didn't restore Shepard's dance moves.

You should see the other stuff datSilencer has done.  Time Orchid is pretty incredible, as is Anger.  I think aside from DJ Hawk Palaven @ Flux, my favorite is the little ad he made for Afterlife.  He's got a page on vimeo, which I think he prefers.

[Arcataye]

Yeah I watched all of his videos after that. Liked especially the beginning in Time Orchid.

[Soda Master]

I found a song that I think would be perfect to make a Shepard/Liara vid to - but I play on the 360 and don't have a capture card. I was wondering if anyone could direct me to some good quality Shepard and Liara footage (preferably Sheploo) that doesn't have subtitles for the dialogue?

[TheMarshal]

Figured I'd post about my update to Returned in here, despite the story still not having any Liara in it.