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[rubynorman]

I didn't cheat on her in my playthrough. Well I did "look at the bed" with Thane just to unlock the achievement but I reload after that. I did let Samara touch my Shep's cheek too but reload after that again >.< I'm sorry Liara but I reloaded so it never happens, I still look at your picture in the end. I guess it was easy for me to not cheat on her because when I started ME2, LotSB was out. If LotSB wasn't out, would I cheat on her? I don't know. Maybe I just let Samara touch my Shep's cheek without reloading and that's all. Liara was so cold I wish she and Shep had time to talk about their relationship without LotSB.

[Wulfram]

The thing which makes it hard for me to see my Shepards cheating is that it really hasn't been all that long from Shepard's perspective. Since they were dead/in a coma for all the two years.

It would actually make more sense to me for Shepard to go on to a new romance in ME3, because then you've had a whole 6 months apart. Particularly if you didn't play LotSB and thus didn't have the chance to reaffrim your feelings for each other there.

Modifié par Wulfram, 21 avril 2012 - 01:23 .

[adneate]

AlexMBrennan wrote...
People make mistakes. It's what makes people human. Eternal faithfulness regardless of how cold and out-of-character Shep's partner is puts them rather closer to Mary Sue territory than realism.

Did society change it's conventions where it's okay to just run out and have sex with someone else if your partner wasn't very nice to you one day? I thought you had to tell that soon to be former partner that the relationship was over before you do that? I don't recall either character saying it's over so by the conventions of society it's cheating and for a somewhat petty reason I might add.

Also probably goes into Mary Sue territory, since Shepard is so desirable that failure to please will make him leave your ass and go bang one of the many hotties just waiting for their shot at the galaxy's most perfect human specimen. You should have dropped everything and just did what I wanted to do Liara you ice princess you heartless harpy you!

[yesikareyes]

rubynorman wrote...

I didn't cheat on her in my playthrough. Well I did "look at the bed" with Thane just to unlock the achievement but I reload after that. I did let Samara touch my Shep's cheek too but reload after that again >.< I'm sorry Liara but I reloaded so it never happens, I still look at your picture in the end. I guess it was easy for me to not cheat on her because when I started ME2, LotSB was out. If LotSB wasn't out, would I cheat on her? I don't know. Maybe I just let Samara touch my Shep's cheek without reloading and that's all. Liara was so cold I wish she and Shep had time to talk about their relationship without LotSB.

I only bought LotSB late because I was a newcomer to the series, so my first playthroughs... I didn't have LotSB. I guess that DLC plays so much into the equation of their relationship.

@Yuqi

Thanks! I adore Derek 

[d32f123]

adneate wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...
People make mistakes. It's what makes people human. Eternal faithfulness regardless of how cold and out-of-character Shep's partner is puts them rather closer to Mary Sue territory than realism.

Did society change it's conventions where it's okay to just run out and have sex with someone else if your partner wasn't very nice to you one day? I thought you had to tell that soon to be former partner that the relationship was over before you do that? I don't recall either character saying it's over so by the conventions of society it's cheating and for a somewhat petty reason I might add.

Also probably goes into Mary Sue territory, since Shepard is so desirable that failure to please will make him leave your ass and go bang one of the many hotties just waiting for their shot at the galaxy's most perfect human specimen. You should have dropped everything and just did what I wanted to do Liara you ice princess you heartless harpy you!

Fully agree with your point of view.

[JamieCOTC]

yesikareyes wrote...

Anyone else here cheated on Liara for your Shepard's storyline? People always call me a tool for cheating on Liara but then I realized that it's these imperfections that make Derek and Liara's love so real. I remember how I thought that Derek was over Liara because of how cold she was at first. Consequently, I moved on to Miranda but since LotSB and Mass Effect even after the infidelity... their relationship seemed more real albeit perfection.

What are the imperfections that defined your Shepard/Liara storyline?

On one femshep I ran into the Liara renegade bug and on the night before Ilos she used Liara for sex.  While the game flags it as a romance, I don't really consider it to be such.  In ME2 this femshep went for Jacob, so in ME3 she "dumps" Liara for him and I just had to laugh. I was amazed how cheerful Shepard was in breaking up w/ Liara, "We'll both be better off" or something like that.  Then of course the irony just explodes as Shep gets dumped by Jacob and she ends up alone.

My canon femshep on the other hand stayed faithful to Liara, but flirted around w/ Kelly in ME2. In ME3 she flirted w/ Kelly, Trayner and Allers.  Gamewise, Liara never says anything, but I like to RP that she knew and had a leash handy just in case. 

[TMA LIVE]

FRANCESCO84Inn wrote...

Bust. The number one reason why I picked that armor.

[Aristobulus500]

Yeah, I don't buy that it's okay for Shepard to cheat on Liara. Especially since, from Shep's perspective it hasn't been long at all. To him, he was just on the Normandy, after having told Liara to get to safety.

And Liara is uncharacteristically cold to him, yet she doesn't act like they've broken up. She does kiss him and everything when she first sees him.

[yesikareyes]

Jeez guys, I'm not saying it's okay to cheat on your partner. It's only for storyline purposes. I'm saying it makes it real in the sense to show that Derek makes mistakes because I designed him to be the perfect hero albeit his weakness for women. That's his achilles heel, if you must say. I write stories and plays, and I mostly do tragedy and redemption tales.

In my Liara canon storyline, Derek's unfaithfulness caused the death of Miranda. Did I play ME2 again to not romance Miranda? No, because I wanted Derek to witness the consequences of his actions which is why I also play Paragade. It was painful but it made me feel the emotions and humanity of these characters.

[DarkCloudd]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Yeah, I don't buy that it's okay for Shepard to cheat on Liara. Especially since, from Shep's perspective it hasn't been long at all. To him, he was just on the Normandy, after having told Liara to get to safety.

And Liara is uncharacteristically cold to him, yet she doesn't act like they've broken up. She does kiss him and everything when she first sees him.

Having played through ME2 with a Liara romancer thats bascially why I don't think I could bring myself to cheat on her. Given what I know now about what Liara went through just to get Shepard back I just can't bring myself to actually break her heart like that.

[rubynorman]

My confession:
But from our point of view it had been 3 years waiting for our favorite game. Ahh I feel bad, I just want to know some romance cutscenes, I never really cheat T.T. I didn't ... have Internet connection at home that time so youtube wasn't an option . The kiss ... I'm sorry Liara. I flirted with Kelly so she would feed my fish but I didn't let her dancing for me. I flirted with Alley but if something serious happened, I would turned her down.
The banner in my sig, do I deserve to use it? :-S

[d32f123]

DarkCloudd wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Yeah, I don't buy that it's okay for Shepard to cheat on Liara. Especially since, from Shep's perspective it hasn't been long at all. To him, he was just on the Normandy, after having told Liara to get to safety.

And Liara is uncharacteristically cold to him, yet she doesn't act like they've broken up. She does kiss him and everything when she first sees him.

Having played through ME2 with a Liara romancer thats bascially why I don't think I could bring myself to cheat on her. Given what I know now about what Liara went through just to get Shepard back I just can't bring myself to actually break her heart like that.

I don't know how anyone can cheat on her after her saving your life.if she didn't, you'll be just a slave to the Collectors.

[Chrillze]

I wouldn't call shepard bonking someone else in ME2 cheating, he's been dead for 2 years and I got the impression that it was over when I met Liara on Ilium.

Modifié par Chrillze, 21 avril 2012 - 01:58 .

[Arcataye]

Wulfram wrote...
The thing which makes it hard for me to see my Shepards cheating is that it really hasn't been all that long from Shepard's perspective. Since they were dead/in a coma for all the two years.

Aristobulus500 wrote...
Yeah, I don't buy that it's okay for Shepard to cheat on Liara. Especially since, from Shep's perspective it hasn't been long at all. To him, he was just on the Normandy, after having told Liara to get to safety.
And Liara is uncharacteristically cold to him, yet she doesn't act like they've broken up. She does kiss him and everything when she first sees him.

My opinion on the subject had already been typed for me, cheers.
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Whoever wrote that Half Measure fanfic, great work! Tho now I have to throw a few ideas away as they seem to be already written.

Modifié par Arcataye, 21 avril 2012 - 02:14 .

[Chrillze]

I understand what you are saying but if I was Shepard I would also think that most people had moved on(except Kaidan "losing you was like losing i limb"...okaaaaay...) since it had gone 2 years. Shepard and Liara had only been in a relationship for a couple of months when Shepard died.

[Brooks Mac]

You dont deserve liara you sick b*st*rd

[rubynorman]

She said: "I love you, Shepard" to me first, I deserve to use the banner, right?

If you know what she did for Shepard to save her/him and she kissed Shepard. I don't think Shepard should cheat, but human is a curious race and makes mistakes. It's the "good" thing to do but it does happen sometimes. But after LotSB I can't believe it if some Shep kick her or ban her from visiting the Normandy. These Shep don't deserve anything. This is my last opinion on this subject.
Dinner's time.

[CDHarrisUSF]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Eternal faithfulness regardless of how cold and out-of-character Shep's partner is puts them rather closer to Mary Sue territory than realism.

If my partner went through hell to bring me back from the dead and then was a little cold/distant for a little while after mourning my death for over two years, I don't know about you... but I think I would cut her some slack. If she couldn't come with me at the drop of a hat because she was busy hunting down the man who was trying to turn my body over to a genocidal enemy who wanted to "harvest" all advanced beings in the galaxy, I could understand why she might want to get revenge.

For ****'s sake, Shepard couldn't keep his **** in his pants for a few months (best estimate of the time passage from Shepard waking up to the events of LotSB) even with all of that important work to keep him busy? In contrast, Liara was faithful to Shepard for two and a half years... even while he was dead.

Chrillze wrote...

I wouldn't call shepard bonking someone else in ME2 cheating, he's been dead for 2 years and I got the impression that it was over when I met Liara on Ilium.

You must not have investigated all of the dialogue options during the conversation in her office, because she has some lines which make it abundantly clear that she is still very much in love with Shepard. She reveals multiple reasons for being distant.

First, and most readily apparent, she has had over two years to mourn your death (enough by itself to be a little cold). Second, she reveals what the Shadow Broker tried to do with your body and how she is determined to make him pay. Finally, after some prodding, she confesses (while sounding like she's about to cry) that she was afraid you would hate her for giving your body to Cerberus (because she couldn't let you go).

At this point, you have the option to comfort her by saying she did the right thing. If you do, relief and happiness will return to her voice. She wants to be with you again, but she knows she is close to tracking down the Shadow Broker and doesn't want to risk letting the trail go cold (and you already have 12 squad members anyway). Letting you help her track him down at this point might divert you from your own important task, which is why she waits until she knows the location (or where to find it) to ask for your help.

Modifié par CDHarrisUSF, 21 avril 2012 - 02:43 .

[Chrillze]

I didn't cheat on Liara on my main character because I got the dialogue when she tells you that she recoverd your body because she couldn't let you go. If you didn't get that dialogue i understand if you "cheated" on her.

Modifié par Chrillze, 21 avril 2012 - 02:36 .

[kumquats]

Brooks Mac wrote...

You dont deserve liara you sick b*st*rd

I know you all love Liara, but I wish some of you would stop posting, go outside and take a deep breath.
You should realize that you are bashing and flaming a real person at the moment, over something that is created out of polygones and pixels.

I'm okay when people have a different opinions. But I'm not okay if this behaviour.
I close that thread for today.

Modifié par kumquats, 21 avril 2012 - 02:46 .

[yesikareyes]

kumquats wrote...

Brooks Mac wrote...

You dont deserve liara you sick b*st*rd

I know you all love Liara, but I wish some of you would stop posting, go outside and take a deep breath.
You should realize that you are bashing and flaming a real person at the moment, over something that is created out of polygones and pixels.

I'm okay when people have a different opinions. But I'm not okay if this behaviour.
I close that thread for today.

I'm all up for discussion on the different aspects of the Shepard/Liara romance. It's sad how some people here dismiss each other's opinions just because they differ or do not agree. Can't we all just agree to disagree? To have healthy discussions?

[ladyvader]

IliyaMoroumetz wrote...

Bah! ME3 turned my ME fic into an AU as well, but that didn't stop me from writing it... granted, I finished it back at Christmas last year, but still!

ME3 turned everyones fanfic into AU.  Especially anyone that wrote post ME3 stories before the game was released.  The only story I wrote last year I don't conside AU now is "Hard Choices and that story is set after Arrival and before Shepard goes to Earth.  That doesn't mean I'm not going to continue the same arc I was working on before ME3.  I am.  I'm waiting to see the exteneded cut before writing anything that deals with the ending.  

About Kelly, if you want your fish back without buying them and you can only buy 2/3 of the fish anyway.  You have to invite her to your cabin for the dinner date and allow her to feed your fish.  You can invite Kelly up after the SM and have her dance for you.  Here is what matters for the import.  Liara's picture must be upright.  And Kelly does not move the picture down.  

Kelly does turn into a romance in ME3.  I don't  know  if she triggers the achievement or not. If she lives through the coup attempt, you can sleep with her in act 2.  All I want is my fish back.  Because one of the fish is a bonus in NG+ run.  

I hugged Kelly in ME3 and that is all she is getting from Leia Shepard.  Hugs are one thing.  Sleeping with anyone beside Liara is another. 

[yesikareyes]

ladyvader wrote...

Kelly does turn into a romance in ME3.  I don't  know  if she triggers the achievement or not. If she lives through the coup attempt, you can sleep with her in act 2.  All I want is my fish back.  Because one of the fish is a bonus in NG+ run.  

I hugged Kelly in ME3 and that is all she is getting from Leia Shepard.  Hugs are one thing.  Sleeping with anyone beside Liara is another. 

Yup, you get to sleep with Kelly in one of those container things. Thaaat's really fulfilling! 

[ladyvader]

TMA LIVE wrote...

FRANCESCO84Inn wrote...

Bust. The number one reason why I picked that armor.

I have Liara wear that armor because I think she looks wonderful in it. 

Well TOP

Modifié par ladyvader, 21 avril 2012 - 03:02 .

[Chrillze]

yesikareyes wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Kelly does turn into a romance in ME3.  I don't  know  if she triggers the achievement or not. If she lives through the coup attempt, you can sleep with her in act 2.  All I want is my fish back.  Because one of the fish is a bonus in NG+ run.  

I hugged Kelly in ME3 and that is all she is getting from Leia Shepard.  Hugs are one thing.  Sleeping with anyone beside Liara is another. 

Yup, you get to sleep with Kelly in one of those container things. Thaaat's really fulfilling! 

good luck with the scale itch then!