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[yesikareyes]

Chrillze wrote...

yesikareyes wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Kelly does turn into a romance in ME3.  I don't  know  if she triggers the achievement or not. If she lives through the coup attempt, you can sleep with her in act 2.  All I want is my fish back.  Because one of the fish is a bonus in NG+ run.  

I hugged Kelly in ME3 and that is all she is getting from Leia Shepard.  Hugs are one thing.  Sleeping with anyone beside Liara is another. 

Yup, you get to sleep with Kelly in one of those container things. Thaaat's really fulfilling! 

good luck with the scale itch then!

Hah, I never slept with her. I just watched it on YouTube! She's like a sister to my Shepard!

[jlb524]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Sorry, but cheating on your gf/bf is not an imperfection that helps make a love real, it's quite the opposite.

Well, you sure do have some strong opinions, don't you?

People make mistakes. It's what makes people human. Eternal faithfulness regardless of how cold and out-of-character Shep's partner is puts them rather closer to Mary Sue territory than realism.

There's a difference between the notion that cheatting makes a love 'more real' and the notion that people can stay together in spite of cheating.

I don't know many people who think a cheating partner is something that cultivates love.

Considering Liara's situation, it's only been, what, a few months since Shepard and her were together (from Shepard's perspec tive).   If Shepard did really care about Liara, I'd imagine s/he would try to get answers from her first before jumping in the sack and talking all lovey-dovey with another.  Shepard's infidelity will affect the relationship and not in a good way...look at the difference between what Liara says to Shepard in the love scene depending on whether or not Shepard cheated.  It's obvious Liara trusts faithful Shepard more though she will still try to work it out with the unfaithful one but that's not quite the same as the infidelity being 'good' for the relationship.  

Modifié par jlb524, 21 avril 2012 - 03:12 .

[Chrillze]

I don't think you should get a second chance if you cheated on your LI, I also don't think that you should be able to survive the destroy ending if you didn't make peace between the Geth and Quarians. Your bad decisions should have bad consequences

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Chrillze wrote...

I don't think you should get a second chance if you cheated on your LI, I also don't think that you should be able to survive the destroy ending if you didn't make peace between the Geth and Quarians. Your bad decisions should have bad consequences

That does not make sense, if anything the synthesis option should have been locked out.

[yesikareyes]

jlb524 wrote...


Considering Liara's situation, it's only been, what, a few months since Shepard and her were together (from Shepard's perspec tive).   If Shepard did really care about Liara, I'd imagine s/he would try to get answers from her first before jumping in the sack and talking all lovey-dovey with another.  Shepard's infidelity will affect the relationship and not in a good way...look at the difference between what Liara says to Shepard in the love scene depending on whether or not Shepard cheated.  It's obvious Liara trusts faithful Shepard more though she will still try to work it out with the unfaithful one but that's not quite the same as the infidelity being 'good' for the relationship.  

Hmm, IIIRC the love scene is the same if you "broke it off with Liara before being with another," "don't do the DLC" or if you "cheated." So if you do either of the three, it still feels like you cheated on her in different contexts.

Well in my opinion, I designed Derek Shepard to be the lovable douche Shepard who has a weakness for two women. I also had Vincent, who was very paragon and stayed faithful all throughout. I just chose Derek Shepard as my canon because his faults made him seem relatable or real to me and how that defines their relationship. Again, cheating is a horrible thing to do... I just like making my characters flawed yet redeemable.

[Chrillze]

The survive ending is the *perfect* ending, you shouldn't be able to get it without a perfect playthrough

[ladyvader]

jlb524 wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Sorry, but cheating on your gf/bf is not an imperfection that helps make a love real, it's quite the opposite.

Well, you sure do have some strong opinions, don't you?

People make mistakes. It's what makes people human. Eternal faithfulness regardless of how cold and out-of-character Shep's partner is puts them rather closer to Mary Sue territory than realism.

There's a difference between the notion that cheatting makes a love 'more real' and the notion that people can stay together in spite of cheating.

I don't know many people who think a cheating partner is something that cultivates love.

Considering Liara's situation, it's only been, what, a few months since Shepard and her were together (from Shepard's perspec tive).   If Shepard did really care about Liara, I'd imagine s/he would try to get answers from her first before jumping in the sack and talking all lovey-dovey with another.  Shepard's infidelity will affect the relationship and not in a good way...look at the difference between what Liara says to Shepard in the love scene depending on whether or not Shepard cheated.  It's obvious Liara trusts faithful Shepard more though she will still try to work it out with the unfaithful one but that's not quite the same as the infidelity being 'good' for the relationship.  

That scene plays the same if your faithful and didn't do the SB DLC.  I am only doing that the one time.   I'd rather hear Liara say "I love you" first  than hear her go, I...I love you."  It seems she is hesitating a little bit.  

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Chrillze wrote...

The survive ending is the *perfect* ending, you shouldn't be able to get it without a perfect playthrough

No it is not most definetly not the "perfect" ending. It is the best version of destroy sure.

Having Shepard's survival be based on the Quarian/Geth peace does not make sense, it should simply be based on a high EMS score (which the peace helps with) and nothing more.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

ladyvader wrote...
That scene plays the same if your faithful and didn't do the SB DLC.  I am only doing that the one time.   I'd rather hear Liara say "I love you" first  than hear her go, I...I love you."  It seems she is hesitating a little bit.  

I guess that is because the relationship never truly recovered from Illium then.

Speaking of: Liara being the same character if Shepard did not do LOTSB is something I do not buy for one minute.

[ladyvader]

Chrillze wrote...

The survive ending is the *perfect* ending, you shouldn't be able to get it without a perfect playthrough

It's a number threshold.  If you play MP, the higher the number.  Then you are able to get away with siding against either the geth or quarians. 

What do you mean by perfect?  No, MP and you need 8000 in war assets in order to get the 4000 EMS needed to have Shepard live and that is only if you don't let TIM kill Anderson.  

What I would consider perfect and what the game requirements are to hit the number needed are two different things.  I don't think having Wrex dead in ME1 is a good thing.  Same with Eve.  But that is what is required to hit the EMS needed.  Same with having Chakwas stay on the Citadel.  VS goes with Hackett.  Blah.

Besides Liara likes Wrex.  It does seem Wrex knows who the Shadow Brokers is and only Liara's closest friends seem to know.  Barla Von refered to the SB as he.  The Shadow Broker fully supports your efforts to stop the Reapers.  I always chuckle when he says that.  

 

[Chrillze]

Lizardviking wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

The survive ending is the *perfect* ending, you shouldn't be able to get it without a perfect playthrough

No it is not most definetly not the "perfect" ending. It is the best version of destroy sure.

Having Shepard's survival be based on the Quarian/Geth peace does not make sense, it should simply be based on a high EMS score (which the peace helps with) and nothing more.

how does your fleet strenght affect your survivability? That doesn't really make sense either

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Chrillze wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

The survive ending is the *perfect* ending, you shouldn't be able to get it without a perfect playthrough

No it is not most definetly not the "perfect" ending. It is the best version of destroy sure.

Having Shepard's survival be based on the Quarian/Geth peace does not make sense, it should simply be based on a high EMS score (which the peace helps with) and nothing more.

how does your fleet strenght affect your survivability? That doesn't really make sense either

The stronger the army and fleet the less dangerous the battle becomes for Shepard. The more unscathed Shepard can go through the battle and therefor have a higher chance of surviving.

But this is all pointless, nothing in the endings make sense.

[Chrillze]

I just pick the control ending because the shepard survives ending ****** me off

[ladyvader]

Lizardviking wrote...

ladyvader wrote...
That scene plays the same if your faithful and didn't do the SB DLC.  I am only doing that the one time.   I'd rather hear Liara say "I love you" first  than hear her go, I...I love you."  It seems she is hesitating a little bit.  

I guess that is because the relationship never truly recovered from Illium then.

Speaking of: Liara being the same character if Shepard did not do LOTSB is something I do not buy for one minute.

Mars played the same, the flatterer line was the same.  The only difference was the end game cabin scene and London.  No blue children line either.  You get "I know I'll have something witty to say five minutes from now" line.  That line is also said to new romanced Shepard.  I missed Aethtya on that run, but I might be able to go back and see what Aethtya says to Shepard.  I'm fairly sure she'll call Shepard "girlfriend".  She says that to all Shepard(s) who paragon Liara.  LI or not.

[pacer90]

Chrillze wrote...

I just pick the control ending because the shepard survives ending ****** me off

Shepard survive?!

[DOsquareZER]

Chrillze wrote...

I just pick the control ending because the shepard survives ending ****** me off

all three endings ****** me off.  I just pick the alt F4 / uninstall option.  solves everything.

[Chrillze]

pacer90 wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

I just pick the control ending because the shepard survives ending ****** me off

Shepard survive?!

destroy ending with 5000 ems, shepard survives

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

ladyvader wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

ladyvader wrote...
That scene plays the same if your faithful and didn't do the SB DLC.  I am only doing that the one time.   I'd rather hear Liara say "I love you" first  than hear her go, I...I love you."  It seems she is hesitating a little bit.  

I guess that is because the relationship never truly recovered from Illium then.

Speaking of: Liara being the same character if Shepard did not do LOTSB is something I do not buy for one minute.

Mars played the same, the flatterer line was the same.  The only difference was the end game cabin scene and London.  No blue children line either.  You get "I know I'll have something witty to say five minutes from now" line.  That line is also said to new romanced Shepard.  I missed Aethtya on that run, but I might be able to go back and see what Aethtya says to Shepard.  I'm fairly sure she'll call Shepard "girlfriend".  She says that to all Shepard(s) who paragon Liara.  LI or not.

Romancing Liara in LOTSB seems to be the best version then. All the lines that change changes for the better.

Is there nobody else in this thread that feel that Liara as a character does not make sense if LOTSB was not done?

[Aristobulus500]

doozer12 wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

I just pick the control ending because the shepard survives ending ****** me off

all three endings ****** me off.  I just pick the alt F4 / uninstall option.  solves everything.

Yeah, this is the way to go. I honestly just pretend the ending deosn't even happen, I've written it off in my mind as surely as if it was just some bad fanfiction I read on fanfiction.net. It's every bit as in character and logical as that kind of fanfiction, so why not?

As far as I'm concerned, ME3 just doesn't have an ending.

[ladyvader]

Chrillze wrote...

pacer90 wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

I just pick the control ending because the shepard survives ending ****** me off

Shepard survive?!

destroy ending with 5000 ems, shepard survives

Shepard lives at 4000 if TIM doesn't kill Anderson.

[Chrillze]

doozer12 wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

I just pick the control ending because the shepard survives ending ****** me off

all three endings ****** me off.  I just pick the alt F4 / uninstall option.  solves everything.

I just play The Witcher 2 instead, Geralt beats Shepard every day in the month

[pacer90]

Chrillze wrote...

pacer90 wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

I just pick the control ending because the shepard survives ending ****** me off

Shepard survive?!

destroy ending with 5000 ems, shepard survives

Uhhh... I had 5000 and picked destroy. How did I miss that...

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

pacer90 wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

pacer90 wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

I just pick the control ending because the shepard survives ending ****** me off

Shepard survive?!

destroy ending with 5000 ems, shepard survives

Uhhh... I had 5000 and picked destroy. How did I miss that...

Because you mistook TMS for EMS?

[Chrillze]

If Geralt was a squadmate he would steal your LI and then kill the reapers with his bare hands

[ladyvader]

Lizardviking wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

ladyvader wrote...
That scene plays the same if your faithful and didn't do the SB DLC.  I am only doing that the one time.   I'd rather hear Liara say "I love you" first  than hear her go, I...I love you."  It seems she is hesitating a little bit.  

I guess that is because the relationship never truly recovered from Illium then.

Speaking of: Liara being the same character if Shepard did not do LOTSB is something I do not buy for one minute.

Mars played the same, the flatterer line was the same.  The only difference was the end game cabin scene and London.  No blue children line either.  You get "I know I'll have something witty to say five minutes from now" line.  That line is also said to new romanced Shepard.  I missed Aethtya on that run, but I might be able to go back and see what Aethtya says to Shepard.  I'm fairly sure she'll call Shepard "girlfriend".  She says that to all Shepard(s) who paragon Liara.  LI or not.

Romancing Liara in LOTSB seems to be the best version then. All the lines that change changes for the better.

Is there nobody else in this thread that feel that Liara as a character does not make sense if LOTSB was not done?

Doing the DLC is the better version. 

Liara was more distant in the non-import run I did and didn't want to talk about it.  If I remember correctly, she didn't mention being an information broker on Mars like she does with the non-dlc Shepard.  At least with the non-dlc Shepard, Shep knew Liara was an information broker.