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[MidnightRaith]

Finished the ME1 romance with Liara last night. Can't wait to play LotSB and get into the ME3 content. Without that, Liara doesn't seem to quite round out. I think she's cute and loveable, sure, but in ME1, all of the romances seem a little flat to me. Sigh... this series is really going to test my patience on this.... Need to get another ME1 speedrun under my belt before my real one so I can get all the free Charm points. I'm nothing if not a completionist. Man, the wait feels like it's going to kill me. It's just.... RAWR!!! I already had my perfect Shepard! Curse you Microsoft and your horrid hardware designers!!!! RROD my ass... grumble, grumble....

[Sunnie]

Chrillze wrote...

If Geralt was a squadmate he would steal your LI and then kill the reapers with his bare hands

Stop trolling this thread and go play Witcher, since you seem to love it so much more. You can also go hang out on teh CDP forum.

[Aristobulus500]

Reposting this since I think people missed it cause it was the last post on a page. Hope no one minds, I honestly believe some people just didn't see my post.

So, I was reading another forum, a guy made this point about the endings and why they probably upset so many people so much, even though you technically still win and defeat the Reapers...

I think one of the endearing things about the Mass Effect universe is, if you can look past the whole Reapers and Slavers thing, it would be a fascinating and amazing world to live in. Bioware really delivered on the vistas, the locations, and the feel for me in that respect (most of the time), and I think a lot of people agree.

Probably that's why so many fans were angry that at the end it's all (seemingly) burned to the ground.

I think that's a very strong point, and it really gets at why merely ending the Reaper threat, at such a high cost, is not satisfying to so many of the playerbase. It also explains why people who are less invested - such as the vast majority of "professional" reviewers - are more satisfied by the ending.

It definitely speaks to my own issues, because I've said that the Reapers were not why I was playing. The conflict with them, to me, was merely an excuse for growth and development in the characters I had come to know and love.

The Mass Effect universe - and on a smaller scale, the characters such as Liara and the rest of the squad - were so interesting that I honestly did not need a conflict to keep me motivated and playing, and interested in the universe. The universe and the characters so fascinating and fleshed out and have so much depth to them - and the universe feels so real at points that all I really want to do is just explore more of it and learn more about them and their worlds and cultures. A conflict just gives me reason to do that, but if the game were just sand boxey and did away with major conflict entirely I'd barely care.

It's also why the romance scenes are so satisfying, even - and maybe especially - when it's just Shep/Liara enjoying eachothers company and not actually working through some conflict. Because it's a glimpse at just normal living in that universe, which is so fascinating in part because it really does make sense and feel like a place you could live at.

Anyone have any thoughts on this? Agree with me? Disagree? Just wondering how apt that guys post was.

LotSB Liara vs. non LotSB

Of course LotSB Liara is better, she's closer to Shep and they've had a chance to reaffirm their relationship and feelings for eachother and work through the awkwardness from Illium, I'm not sure what's confusing about this.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

ladyvader wrote...
Liara was more distant in the non-import run I did and didn't want to talk about it.  If I remember correctly, she didn't mention being an information broker on Mars like she does with the non-dlc Shepard.  At least with the non-dlc Shepard, Shep knew Liara was an information broker. 

Ehhh.

If Shepard was not involved in the events of LOTSB then Liara as a person would have been a complete wreck on the inside.

[Chrillze]

Sunnie22 wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

If Geralt was a squadmate he would steal your LI and then kill the reapers with his bare hands

Stop trolling this thread and go play Witcher, since you seem to love it so much more. You can also go hang out on teh CDP forum.

I'm just gonna ignore that comment.

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I haven't tried the non LOTSB shepard but I would guess that it's not as good as the LotSB one. And why would you want to miss LotSB?!? It's one of the best DLCs ever! 

[Chrillze]

Does Feron die if you haven't done LotSB?

[TheMarshal]

yesikareyes wrote...

Anyone else here cheated on Liara for your Shepard's storyline? People always call me a tool for cheating on Liara but then I realized that it's these imperfections that make Derek and Liara's love so real. I remember how I thought that Derek was over Liara because of how cold she was at first. Consequently, I moved on to Miranda but since LotSB and Mass Effect even after the infidelity... their relationship seemed more real albeit perfection.

What are the imperfections that defined your Shepard/Liara storyline?

I have to kind of headcanon a few things for ME2 (TIM not mentioning that Liara was on Illium, Liara not mentioning that she was the one who gave Shep's body to Cerberus, etc.), but basically Alice kind of lost her **** after running into Liara on Illium.  She grew reckless and stopped really caring about what happened to her.  She eventually - with Tali's help - saw how dangerous her attitude was, and sought out some closure on the whole matter (LotSB) which wound up resolving things better than she had hoped.

Kinda makes it seem like Alice is dependent on Liara, and I would not be inclined to disagree. But for an Earthborn/Sole Survivor who's found her little center of peace in the galaxy, I think she's earned the right to be a little dependent.

[Sunnie]

Chrillze wrote...
good luck with the scale itch then!

I just pick the control ending because the shepard survives ending ****** me off

I just play The Witcher 2 instead, Geralt beats Shepard every day in the month

If Geralt was a squadmate he would steal your LI and then kill the reapers with his bare hands

Stop making comments like these if you don't want to be told to GTFO.

Chrillze wrote...

Does Feron die if you haven't done LotSB?

If you don't do LotSB, Feron is dead, and Liara had to scuttle the SB ship into Hagalaz.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Sunnie22 wrote...
If you don't do LotSB, Feron is dead, and Liara had to scuttle the SB ship into Hagalaz.

I knew Feron seemingly died if Shepard was not involved in LOTSB, but I must admit I did not know Liara destroyed the SB base. What was her reason?

[Pineappletree]

Lizardviking wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...
If you don't do LotSB, Feron is dead, and Liara had to scuttle the SB ship into Hagalaz.

I knew Feron seemingly died if Shepard was not involved in LOTSB, but I must admit I did not know Liara destroyed the SB base. What was her reason?

Cerberus decided to pay a visit.

Liara saved the most important tech and gear and sent the SB ship into an explosive crash with some heavy Cerberus ships before leaving for good ...

[Chrillze]

@Sunnie22 If my past comments have offended you somehow I'm sorry but you don't have to be agressive, if you don't like me or my comments just ignore me and I'll do the same ok? And thanks for answearing my question

And if you talk about a Kelly romance on these forums you are just asking for someone to make a scale itch comment

Modifié par Chrillze, 21 avril 2012 - 04:26 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

FdL_Ananas wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...
If you don't do LotSB, Feron is dead, and Liara had to scuttle the SB ship into Hagalaz.

I knew Feron seemingly died if Shepard was not involved in LOTSB, but I must admit I did not know Liara destroyed the SB base. What was her reason?

Cerberus decided to pay a visit.

Liara saved the most important tech and gear and sent the SB ship into an explosive crash with some heavy Cerberus ships before leaving for good ...

I know that, but Sunnie's statement made it sound like Liara destroys the SB base earlier and for different reasons if Shepard was not involved in LOTSB.

[Sunnie]

Lizardviking wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...
If you don't do LotSB, Feron is dead, and Liara had to scuttle the SB ship into Hagalaz.

I knew Feron seemingly died if Shepard was not involved in LOTSB, but I must admit I did not know Liara destroyed the SB base. What was her reason?

If you do complete LotSB, she sends the SB ship on a collision course into a Cerberus Frigate.

Edit: I am assuming you know that Cerberus attacked Liaras SB ship, how she destroys that ship depends on whether you do LotSB or not.
Edit2: Which also includes whether Feron is alive or dead. if you don;t do LotSB, Feron is killed before Liara liberates the SB ship, and subsequently why she ends up scuttling the ship rather than using it as a giant missle.

Modifié par Sunnie22, 21 avril 2012 - 04:29 .

[rubynorman]

Without LotSB I think she would be somewhat broken inside with guilt since Feron died. And Shepard wasn't there for her the "I can... I can give you " part. Maybe she would become evil, remember when she said "give me ten mins and I could start a war " "but I ... share it with you that will keep me honest" " If it could save Thessia, I don't know".

Modifié par rubynorman, 21 avril 2012 - 04:41 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Sunnie22 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...
If you don't do LotSB, Feron is dead, and Liara had to scuttle the SB ship into Hagalaz.

I knew Feron seemingly died if Shepard was not involved in LOTSB, but I must admit I did not know Liara destroyed the SB base. What was her reason?

If you do complete LotSB, she sends the SB ship on a collision course into a Cerberus Frigate.

Edit: I am assuming you know that Cerberus attacked Liaras SB ship, how she destroys that ship depends on whether you do LotSB or not.

Okay. So if LOTSB was done Liara selfdestructs the base to take out a Cerberus cruiser, as opposed to not doing LOTSB she simply have crash into the planet or?

"EDIT"

Read your edit. I am not sure if I see the logic behind Liara simply crashing the ship instead of self-destruction if Feron died. You would think she would maximise her resources to the best she can.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 21 avril 2012 - 04:31 .

[Wulfram]

I don't interpret the hesitation in the non-DLC "I love you" as any sort of doubt. To me, it's a catch in the voice because this is a really big moment.

[Sunnie]

Chrillze wrote...

@Sunnie22 If my past comments have offended you somehow I'm sorry but you don't have to be agressive, if you don't like me or my comments just ignore me and I'll do the same ok? And thanks for answearing my question

And if you talk about a Kelly romance on these forums you are just asking for someone to make a scale itch comment

Well, you made some pretty aggressive statements, you should expect aggressive replies.

[Pineappletree]

Lizardviking wrote...
I know that, but Sunnie's statement made it sound like Liara destroys the SB base earlier and for different reasons if Shepard was not involved in LOTSB.

Oh, ok then. Didn't know there was a difference.

Just destroying the ship without a threat sounds a bit wasteful indeed ...

Modifié par FdL_Ananas, 21 avril 2012 - 04:35 .

[Chrillze]

Sunnie22 wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

@Sunnie22 If my past comments have offended you somehow I'm sorry but you don't have to be agressive, if you don't like me or my comments just ignore me and I'll do the same ok? And thanks for answearing my question

And if you talk about a Kelly romance on these forums you are just asking for someone to make a scale itch comment

Well, you made some pretty aggressive statements, you should expect aggressive replies.

how the hell was my statements aggressive?!?! Please enlighten me for future reference

[Sunnie]

Lizardviking wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...
If you don't do LotSB, Feron is dead, and Liara had to scuttle the SB ship into Hagalaz.

I knew Feron seemingly died if Shepard was not involved in LOTSB, but I must admit I did not know Liara destroyed the SB base. What was her reason?

If you do complete LotSB, she sends the SB ship on a collision course into a Cerberus Frigate.

Edit: I am assuming you know that Cerberus attacked Liaras SB ship, how she destroys that ship depends on whether you do LotSB or not.

Okay. So if LOTSB was done Liara selfdestructs the base to take out a Cerberus cruiser, as opposed to not doing LOTSB she simply have crash into the planet or?

"EDIT"

Read your edit. I am not sure if I see the logic behind Liara simply crashing the ship instead of self-destruction if Feron died. You would think she would maximise her resources to the best she can.

If I remember right, she mentions something about not having enough time to get what she needed from the SB ship and had to scuttle it with the Cerberus forces onboard.
If Feron is alive, they had enough time to get most of the important SB systems loaded into a shuttle and send the SB ship into a cruiser.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Sunnie22 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...
If you don't do LotSB, Feron is dead, and Liara had to scuttle the SB ship into Hagalaz.

I knew Feron seemingly died if Shepard was not involved in LOTSB, but I must admit I did not know Liara destroyed the SB base. What was her reason?

If you do complete LotSB, she sends the SB ship on a collision course into a Cerberus Frigate.

Edit: I am assuming you know that Cerberus attacked Liaras SB ship, how she destroys that ship depends on whether you do LotSB or not.

Okay. So if LOTSB was done Liara selfdestructs the base to take out a Cerberus cruiser, as opposed to not doing LOTSB she simply have crash into the planet or?

"EDIT"

Read your edit. I am not sure if I see the logic behind Liara simply crashing the ship instead of self-destruction if Feron died. You would think she would maximise her resources to the best she can.

If I remember right, she mentions something about not having enough time to get what she needed from the SB ship and had to scuttle it with the Cerberus forces onboard.
If Feron is alive, they had enough time to get most of the important SB systems loaded into a shuttle and send the SB ship into a cruiser.

I see, thanks for clarifying.

[Gotthammer666]

TheMarshal wrote...

yesikareyes wrote...

Anyone else here cheated on Liara for your Shepard's storyline? People always call me a tool for cheating on Liara but then I realized that it's these imperfections that make Derek and Liara's love so real. I remember how I thought that Derek was over Liara because of how cold she was at first. Consequently, I moved on to Miranda but since LotSB and Mass Effect even after the infidelity... their relationship seemed more real albeit perfection.

What are the imperfections that defined your Shepard/Liara storyline?

I have to kind of headcanon a few things for ME2 (TIM not mentioning that Liara was on Illium, Liara not mentioning that she was the one who gave Shep's body to Cerberus, etc.), but basically Alice kind of lost her **** after running into Liara on Illium.  She grew reckless and stopped really caring about what happened to her.  She eventually - with Tali's help - saw how dangerous her attitude was, and sought out some closure on the whole matter (LotSB) which wound up resolving things better than she had hoped.

Kinda makes it seem like Alice is dependent on Liara, and I would not be inclined to disagree. But for an Earthborn/Sole Survivor who's found her little center of peace in the galaxy, I think she's earned the right to be a little dependent.

Very similar to mine - though Shep is War Hero. My headcanon stretches the between ME1 time and the length of ME2 a bit (I thought the start of ME2 was a year after ME1, not a month or two for some reason).
When Shep met Liara on Illium she was distraught that Liara was so distant and more concerned with the Shadow Broker than seeing her. Selfish, yes, but Shep got to Illium asap to see her so she was a bit put out. She started drinking heavily (even waking up on the bathroom floor of a bar more than once) and being much more reckless in combat.
The rather nice attention of a certain yeoman didn't help matters, as Shep was feeling very alone in the galaxy and more than a little abandoned by her best friend (Kaidan) and Liara's work-focussed attitude. Of course she felt guilty about even the one dinner, which only made things worse.

When the location of the Shadow Broker's base became known, the revelation of Liara's 'friend' really put Shep on edge, along with the whole getting people killed and not caring thing. Feron may have been asked more questions than were strictly necessary when he was found... but it all worked out in the end.
<3

For a video version check the clip "Nothing Compares" in my sig.

[TMA LIVE]

Lizardviking wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...
If you don't do LotSB, Feron is dead, and Liara had to scuttle the SB ship into Hagalaz.

I knew Feron seemingly died if Shepard was not involved in LOTSB, but I must admit I did not know Liara destroyed the SB base. What was her reason?

If you do complete LotSB, she sends the SB ship on a collision course into a Cerberus Frigate.

Edit: I am assuming you know that Cerberus attacked Liaras SB ship, how she destroys that ship depends on whether you do LotSB or not.

Okay. So if LOTSB was done Liara selfdestructs the base to take out a Cerberus cruiser, as opposed to not doing LOTSB she simply have crash into the planet or?

"EDIT"

Read your edit. I am not sure if I see the logic behind Liara simply crashing the ship instead of self-destruction if Feron died. You would think she would maximise her resources to the best she can.

How do you know the ship was was set to self destruction? In this vid, she says she doesn't want to talk about it.

[TheMarshal]

And wait... Kelly can survive the coup attempt? How?

edit: Gawd, really?  THAT'S my TotP?

Here's one we haven't seen in a good long while.


Still Working Undercover
~Seigmann

Modifié par TheMarshal, 21 avril 2012 - 04:54 .

[DOsquareZER]

TheMarshal wrote...

And wait... Kelly can survive the coup attempt? How?

Force her to change her name.  be renegade.

Edit: Woo double ninja! :ph34r:  

Modifié par doozer12, 21 avril 2012 - 04:54 .