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[pacer90]

TheMarshal wrote...

And wait... Kelly can survive the coup attempt? How?

Tell her to change her identity when you see her instead of saying to help the refugees.

[TMA LIVE]

TheMarshal wrote...

And wait... Kelly can survive the coup attempt? How?

Tell her to change her face.

[Aristobulus500]

Personally, I find it really obnoxious and a huge retcon that TIM was ever able to even think of taking on Liara as the Shadow Broker, at all. Seriously, it's a retcon. If you play LotSB, you find out at the end through the intel and dossiers that TIM and Cerberus is basically broke and exhausted - they spent all their funds on Shepard and the Normandy.

By this point Liara should be way more powerful than TIM - both in a pure forces sense, in the amount of agents and troops she can control and contact, and in the intel gathering sense - hell she even had that intel on TIM in the first place, which should be very private intel that he wouldn't want anyone to know about.

Yet TIM goes from that, to being able to directly attack her and take her down. I don't buy it, it's just straight up a retcon and TIM/Cerberus just magically gains immense amounts of power cause the writers wanted them as an enemy.

Their being able to assault the Citadel is also ridiculous.

[TMA LIVE]

I buy it. It was one Cerberus ship, and three people that killed the Old Broker. I imagine Cerberus did the same.

[ladyvader]

TMA LIVE wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

And wait... Kelly can survive the coup attempt? How?

Tell her to change her face.

The artist already did.  WOW to Kelly's hair. 



As much as I rather romance Liara, being friends is good too.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

rubynorman wrote...

Without LotSB I think she would be somewhat broken inside with guilt since Feron died. And Shepard wasn't there for her the "I can... I can give you " part. Maybe she would become evil, remember when she said "give me ten mins and I could start a war " "but I ... share it with you that will keep me honest" " If it could save Thessia, I don't know".

I think she would have been devastated. Everything she had done for the last two years have been for nothing. She failed Feron and she had alienated Shepard. She had completely lost everything.

I do not think she would be evil, but simply cold and broken.

[TheMarshal]

Regarding Cerberus suddenly being super powerful and everywhere: Papa Lawson is stupid rich and helping out TIM in order to get Oriana back. I imagine he's bankrolling things.

[TMA LIVE]

And Udina was sending money to Cerberus.

[Aristobulus500]

TheMarshal wrote...

Regarding Cerberus suddenly being super powerful and everywhere: Papa Lawson is stupid rich and helping out TIM in order to get Oriana back. I imagine he's bankrolling things.

I don't buy that this one dude is more powerful than the Shadow Broker, either. I'm sorry, it just doesn't fit. The Shadow Broker role is built up too much throughout the series for me to really accept this.

[pacer90]

And they had reaper tech.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Personally, I find it really obnoxious and a huge retcon that TIM was ever able to even think of taking on Liara as the Shadow Broker, at all. Seriously, it's a retcon. If you play LotSB, you find out at the end through the intel and dossiers that TIM and Cerberus is basically broke and exhausted - they spent all their funds on Shepard and the Normandy.

By this point Liara should be way more powerful than TIM - both in a pure forces sense, in the amount of agents and troops she can control and contact, and in the intel gathering sense - hell she even had that intel on TIM in the first place, which should be very private intel that he wouldn't want anyone to know about.

Yet TIM goes from that, to being able to directly attack her and take her down. I don't buy it, it's just straight up a retcon and TIM/Cerberus just magically gains immense amounts of power cause the writers wanted them as an enemy.

Their being able to assault the Citadel is also ridiculous.

Do not bother trying to think logically about Cerberus in ME3, because you are not going to get anything out of it.

Cerberus and TIM are nothing more than plotclay, they are whatever the plot needs them to be.

[Chrillze]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Personally, I find it really obnoxious and a huge retcon that TIM was ever able to even think of taking on Liara as the Shadow Broker, at all. Seriously, it's a retcon. If you play LotSB, you find out at the end through the intel and dossiers that TIM and Cerberus is basically broke and exhausted - they spent all their funds on Shepard and the Normandy.

By this point Liara should be way more powerful than TIM - both in a pure forces sense, in the amount of agents and troops she can control and contact, and in the intel gathering sense - hell she even had that intel on TIM in the first place, which should be very private intel that he wouldn't want anyone to know about.

Yet TIM goes from that, to being able to directly attack her and take her down. I don't buy it, it's just straight up a retcon and TIM/Cerberus just magically gains immense amounts of power cause the writers wanted them as an enemy.

Their being able to assault the Citadel is also ridiculous.

Don't underestimate TIM, not only does he have Martin Sheens orgasmic voice but he also does whatever it takes to give him the edge. Liara doesn't conduct experiments on innocent people. And the shadow broker orginisation is probably weakend after LotSB. 

Cerberus probably have almost unlimited resources and it seems like they have been recruiting people like crazy

Modifié par Chrillze, 21 avril 2012 - 05:01 .

[TMA LIVE]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

Regarding Cerberus suddenly being super powerful and everywhere: Papa Lawson is stupid rich and helping out TIM in order to get Oriana back. I imagine he's bankrolling things.

I don't buy that this one dude is more powerful than the Shadow Broker, either. I'm sorry, it just doesn't fit. The Shadow Broker role is built up too much throughout the series for me to really accept this.

Again, you say that, yet the old Broker was killed buy one ship, and three people.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TMA LIVE wrote...
How do you know the ship was was set to self destruction? In this vid, she says she doesn't want to talk about it.

I
never heard that convesation, Sunnie just said that if LOTSB was not
done. Liara simply scuttled the base instead of using it as a weapon.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 21 avril 2012 - 05:02 .

[Sunnie]

Ya, when all your agents are indoctrinated they really don't care about a paycheck anymore. I would imagine that Cerberus operating costs were dramatically reduced when they forced indoctrination on all their troops.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

pacer90 wrote...

And they had reaper tech.

Going from a small pro-human group to a large galaxy conquering super state in 6 months?

Sorry that is simply nothing more than BS.

[Sunnie]

Lizardviking wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...
How do you know the ship was was set to self destruction? In this vid, she says she doesn't want to talk about it.

I
never heard that convesation, Sunnie just said that if LOTSB was not
done. Liara simply scuttled the base instead of using it as a weapon.

In that vid she said she scuttled the ship.
In that conversation, if you did LotSB, she exaplins that her and Feron got most of the systems on a shuttle and then sent the ship on a collision course into a Cerberus cruiser.

[TMA LIVE]

Lizardviking wrote...

pacer90 wrote...

And they had reaper tech.

Going from a small pro-human group to a large galaxy conquering super state in 6 months?

Sorry that is simply nothing more than BS.

The Collectors took hundreds of thousands of people in just under 2 years without much trouble.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Sunnie22 wrote...
In that vid she said she scuttled the ship.
In that conversation, if you did LotSB, she exaplins that her and Feron got most of the systems on a shuttle and then sent the ship on a collision course into a Cerberus cruiser.

TMA just questioned how I knew, which I answered him by saying that you just told me.

[TheMarshal]

Lizardviking wrote...

Going from a small pro-human group to a large galaxy conquering super state in 6 months?

Sorry that is simply nothing more than BS.

Having a factory which pumps out loyal super-soldiers, being bankrolled by a megalomaniac, and being headed by one of the greatest strategic minds humanity has ever seen will do wonders for your chances.

[pacer90]

Lizardviking wrote...

pacer90 wrote...

And they had reaper tech.

Going from a small pro-human group to a large galaxy conquering super state in 6 months?

Sorry that is simply nothing more than BS.

Oh I agree, I just try to remember some reasons that make it even slightly plausible. Whenever I would kill a few dozen Cerberus troops I'd wonder what massive percentage of their operation I kept destroying. It was distracting to say the least.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

pacer90 wrote...

And they had reaper tech.

Going from a small pro-human group to a large galaxy conquering super state in 6 months?

Sorry that is simply nothing more than BS.

The Collectors took hundreds of thousands of people in just under 2 years without much trouble.

Those situations are not comparable.

Cerberus in ME3 have bases in mutiple systems, have fleets large enough that they apparently are quite a challenge for the Alliance to deal with. Can attack the Salarian homeworld with no real trouble. All created in the time span of 6 months?

One word: Logistics.

Also please remember that they lost alot of their resources in the book Retribution. Which makes all these events even more implausible and contrived.

The only thing I can buy was the commando army they had.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 21 avril 2012 - 05:14 .

[Neeh]

Who says it was all done in 6 months? They might've been bigger than what was let on early in the series, just cause they didn't flash their muscles doesn't mean they didn't have any. Unless it's stated somewhere..I really have no idea of their Origin.

Modifié par Neeh, 21 avril 2012 - 05:17 .

[ladyvader]

Sunnie22 wrote...

Ya, when all your agents are indoctrinated they really don't care about a paycheck anymore. I would imagine that Cerberus operating costs were dramatically reduced when they forced indoctrination on all their troops.

We don't know how long Santuary was up and running for.  Weeks?  Months?  Perfect place to get as many people as you need when you implant them to do your bidding without thought .

Modifié par ladyvader, 21 avril 2012 - 05:18 .

[Arcataye]

Aristobulus500 wrote...
Anyone have any thoughts on this? Agree with me? Disagree? Just wondering how apt that guys post was.

I agree with a lot of things you post.
As a character driven story, the epilogue is totally meaningless for me. I couldn't care less if I saved some Stargazer that I have no idea who he is, just some stranger. That was supposed to bring closure to the story... well it sure as hell didn't work in my case.

Aristobulus500 wrote...
I don't buy that this one dude is more powerful than the Shadow Broker, either. I'm sorry, it just doesn't fit. The Shadow Broker role is built up too much throughout the series for me to really accept this.

Well many here have already pointed out that the whole Shadow Broker thing was a disappointment, as it could've been, and in my opinion, should've been a much larger part of Liara. Like I already posted a few days ago, what actually changes if she wasn't the SB? She'd have less monitors in her cabin, Glyph wouldn't be there and she wouldn't tell you to talk to the volus on the citadel. I might have forgotten something, but that's only from what the game shows us, not thinking about the background story. But as people suggested, that would've maken Liara too big of a character compared to other LI's that there would've been too many complaints from other fans.

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Can anyone think of a quote for that infamous Liara derp face picture?