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[Chrillze]

I would prefer if Bioware did something new, after ME3 I don't even want to see Shepard and friends again or the universe. But if they did a new mass effect game they should make some kind of blade runner like game where you play a cop on the Citadel, it could be like Deus Ex

[Aristobulus500]

Chrillze wrote...
I have a hard time imagining that Liara would use drugs, She always seemed like a nice girl, not a drug addict or smoker

Did you really just equate use with abuse, and that smoking weed makes you an addict and unable to be nice? Boy, do you have a lot to learn. Protip - DARE is wrong.

I will say it's due to her general intelligence and attitude is why I don't see her smoking tobacco or drinking a lot of alcohol. Not like Shepard can pound down the drinks, anyway. Too unhealthy. I could see her drinking some alcohol here and there, but not like getting absolutely smashed like Tali/Ashley let themselves be. She seems to have more self control than that.

Arcataye wrote...
By
the way, what kind of sci-fi would there be in the Mass Effect universe?
There's basic agent-action stuff like Blasto, but... They're already
"scifi", what could top that? :3

Why wouldn't they have sci fi? They can still have fiction based around races that don't exist, to them, and tech they don't have. Time travel, dimension hopping, visiting other galaxies...it's ridiculous to think they couldn't dream up alternate scenarios to their own, to write sci fi on.

[Aristobulus500]

Chrillze wrote...

I would prefer if Bioware did something new, after ME3 I don't even want to see Shepard and friends again or the universe. But if they did a new mass effect game they should make some kind of blade runner like game where you play a cop on the Citadel, it could be like Deus Ex

See, that's the thing, if the ending was better, they could have done that. They very easily could've ended Shepards story but still made more games in the franchise, even on smaller scales and such. The universe was very well fleshed out and had enough depth to allow this.

Really hoping the DLC un-salts the Earth so we might have this possibility back.

[Chrillze]

You said that she would smoke weed/take drugs to calm down, thats what most addicts also do. And it wouldn't be very smart of her to be stoned while being the shadow broker or on the normandy. But maybe thats why she felt a little "light headed" in ME1, she just wanted an excuse so she could go to her hidden stash. That was a joke

Modifié par Chrillze, 21 avril 2012 - 06:56 .

[MidnightRaith]

lillitheris wrote...
I thought “one dude” was in reference to TIM, actually. Overall I find the Shadow Broker to be far more overplayed especially in the start. A super-secret intelligence organization that everyone knows about and that one person – be she very smart and dedicated – can track down in <2 years? Nah. Their credibility is about equally strained for me

I don't know, I like how the Shadow Broker's image is set up. It may be plausible for one person to head an intelligence agency like the Broker's when the technology is advanced enough to send information across an entire galaxy, which would completely eliminate any need for the Broker to go anywhere his/herself. Couple that with the fact that as the Broker gathers more information on people to sell, or blackmail with, he/she would get more agents to act on the Broker's commands. I don't believe it would happen in a short while, hence the implication that the Shadow Broker has been around for decades at least. But given enough time, resources and caution, one may be able to do it. Not to mention the fact that the Shadow Broker literally has an entire galaxy to hide in.

However, given all that, I agree with you on the point that Liara was able to track the Broker down in 2 years. That is not believeable at all. Given the Shadow Broker's resources, by that point he should not have been trackable by anyone outside his own personal guard. If the Shadow Broker was to change hands, then it would have been far more believeable if it was done via a way the former Broker had done it. He was already on the SB ship (forget the name) more than likely, he killed the Broker before him in his sleep. I would buy that Feron escaped his imprisonment, killed the Broker in an equally underhanded way, and then perhaps, invited Liara to join in the Broker giggles.

[Aristobulus500]

Chrillze wrote...

You said that she would smoke weed/take drugs to calm down, thats what most addicts also do. And it wouldn't be very smart of her to be stoned while being the shadow broker or on the normandy

I'm just gonna say it's cute you think this, you honestly remind me of a much younger me, back when I thought all drugs were the same and I didn't really understand the effects they had on people. That's not an insult, it's just a statement of fact, it speaks to a lack of experience and of being sheltered - I was certainly extremely sheltered growing up, I understand that thought process.

Though, It's pretty funny to me that you are taking the stance that people on the Normandy can't ever relax and take a break, ever....despite that the Normandy has a bar. A free bar with drinks.

But, this is gonna cause a derail if we continue - if you really want to reply, hit me up on PMs, aight? We can discuss it more there.

[Chrillze]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

You said that she would smoke weed/take drugs to calm down, thats what most addicts also do. And it wouldn't be very smart of her to be stoned while being the shadow broker or on the normandy

I'm just gonna say it's cute you think this, you honestly remind me of a much younger me, back when I thought all drugs were the same and I didn't really understand the effects they had on people. That's not an insult, it's just a statement of fact, it speaks to a lack of experience and of being sheltered - I was certainly extremely sheltered growing up, I understand that thought process.

Though, It's pretty funny to me that you are taking the stance that people on the Normandy can't ever relax and take a break, ever....despite that the Normandy has a bar. A free bar with drinks.

But, this is gonna cause a derail if we continue - if you really want to reply, hit me up on PMs, aight? We can discuss it more there.

I think that both Liara and the rest of the crew drink in their freetime, I don't think they take drugs...well maybe Kaidan does. And weed have negative effects on the brain just saying

[Aristobulus500]

MidnightRaith wrote...

However, given all that, I agree with you on the point that Liara was able to track the Broker down in 2 years. That is not believeable at all. Given the Shadow Broker's resources, by that point he should not have been trackable by anyone outside his own personal guard. If the Shadow Broker was to change hands, then it would have been far more believeable if it was done via a way the former Broker had done it. He was already on the SB ship (forget the name) more than likely, he killed the Broker before him in his sleep. I would buy that Feron escaped his imprisonment, killed the Broker in an equally underhanded way, and then perhaps, invited Liara to join in the Broker giggles.

Well, when you say it's not believable that Liara could track down the Shadow Broker, remember that she has TIM's help in it, and, do we know how long that Yahg was the Shadow Broker? It's entirely possible he was relatively new and slipped up.

And we don't know how many people have really tried tracking the Shadow Broker, there's no real reason to think Liara couldn't do it, eventually - especially with Shepard's help, of all people.

[Arcataye]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Arcataye wrote...
By the way, what kind of sci-fi would there be in the Mass Effect universe? There's basic agent-action stuff like Blasto, but... They're already "scifi", what could top that? :3

Why wouldn't they have sci fi? They can still have fiction based around races that don't exist, to them, and tech they don't have. Time travel, dimension hopping, visiting other galaxies...it's ridiculous to think they couldn't dream up alternate scenarios to their own, to write sci fi on.

Meant as a question, never did I say there couldn't be any.
I was just wondering it myself, maybe something about the virtual aliens past or about Ploba. Hmm..

-
Ha, here's something nice about the "2 years dead - cheating blah blah" discussion a few pages back.
http://fav.me/d36ctpa

Modifié par Arcataye, 21 avril 2012 - 07:12 .

[MidnightRaith]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

MidnightRaith wrote...

However, given all that, I agree with you on the point that Liara was able to track the Broker down in 2 years. That is not believeable at all. Given the Shadow Broker's resources, by that point he should not have been trackable by anyone outside his own personal guard. If the Shadow Broker was to change hands, then it would have been far more believeable if it was done via a way the former Broker had done it. He was already on the SB ship (forget the name) more than likely, he killed the Broker before him in his sleep. I would buy that Feron escaped his imprisonment, killed the Broker in an equally underhanded way, and then perhaps, invited Liara to join in the Broker giggles.

Well, when you say it's not believable that Liara could track down the Shadow Broker, remember that she has TIM's help in it, and, do we know how long that Yahg was the Shadow Broker? It's entirely possible he was relatively new and slipped up.

And we don't know how many people have really tried tracking the Shadow Broker, there's no real reason to think Liara couldn't do it, eventually - especially with Shepard's help, of all people.

Perhaps, but how far does TIM's hand reach? Is it really as far as undermining the Shadow Broker's secrecy? I don't know. Maybe if Dark Horse, or someone released a comic or something on what it actually took to get that information, then maybe I would be able to fully embrace it. As of now, I kind of ignore the more logical part of my brain and kick the part that thinks it's uber kool that Liara became the Broker in the first place into overdrive. It just seems like it was too easy all around to get at the Shadow Broker. Perhaps he was new, or perhaps in those two years, Cerberus was fighting an espionage/information trading war with the Shadow Broker and his agents to get at the information for his location. The Broker has Spectres under his alligience, what else could he have? I would like to see how that would play out and I do believe it would make LotSB more believeable. For now, it's one of those plotholes. Not a major one, considering all the others, but it's one that I'd like to see resolved.

[CrazyGreggy]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Well, when you say it's not believable that Liara could track down the Shadow Broker, remember that she has TIM's help in it, and, do we know how long that Yahg was the Shadow Broker? It's entirely possible he was relatively new and slipped up.

Pretty sure Liara herself says it was approximately 60 years ago.

[Gterror2]

Chrillze wrote...

You said that she would smoke weed/take drugs to calm down, thats what most addicts also do. And it wouldn't be very smart of her to be stoned while being the shadow broker or on the normandy. But maybe thats why she felt a little "light headed" in ME1, she just wanted an excuse so she could go to her hidden stash. That was a joke

Stoned Shadow Broker, no offense, but id paid to see that, seriously. 

[MidnightRaith]

CrazyGreggy wrote...

Pretty sure Liara herself says it was approximately 60 years ago.

Ah, yes, there is that. Well, then that leaves the information/espionage battle I mentioned, or something I didn't think of. Got to admit though, a fight with Cerberus and the Shadow Broker would be something I'd pay to read.

[CrazyGreggy]

MidnightRaith wrote...

CrazyGreggy wrote...

Pretty sure Liara herself says it was approximately 60 years ago.

Ah, yes, there is that. Well, then that leaves the information/espionage battle I mentioned, or something I didn't think of. Got to admit though, a fight with Cerberus and the Shadow Broker would be something I'd pay to read.

A lot of espionage agents are exposed accidentally, just read the histories of the Special Operations Executive in WW2. Liara's key info came from Cerberus and we have no idea how/who/what leaked the message that exposed the location of the SB's base. For all we know Liara could've stumbled around for years more without locating Hagalaz or the SB ship, she certainly didn't know for sure she could crack THAT door.

[Gterror2]

Chrillze wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

You said that she would smoke weed/take drugs to calm down, thats what most addicts also do. And it wouldn't be very smart of her to be stoned while being the shadow broker or on the normandy

I'm just gonna say it's cute you think this, you honestly remind me of a much younger me, back when I thought all drugs were the same and I didn't really understand the effects they had on people. That's not an insult, it's just a statement of fact, it speaks to a lack of experience and of being sheltered - I was certainly extremely sheltered growing up, I understand that thought process.

Though, It's pretty funny to me that you are taking the stance that people on the Normandy can't ever relax and take a break, ever....despite that the Normandy has a bar. A free bar with drinks.

But, this is gonna cause a derail if we continue - if you really want to reply, hit me up on PMs, aight? We can discuss it more there.

I think that both Liara and the rest of the crew drink in their freetime, I don't think they take drugs...well maybe Kaidan does. And weed have negative effects on the brain just saying

Last time i checked Normandy SR3 was an Alliance ship, doesnt some regs apply even in midst of the Reaper War?

[MidnightRaith]

CrazyGreggy wrote...

MidnightRaith wrote...

CrazyGreggy wrote...

Pretty sure Liara herself says it was approximately 60 years ago.

Ah, yes, there is that. Well, then that leaves the information/espionage battle I mentioned, or something I didn't think of. Got to admit though, a fight with Cerberus and the Shadow Broker would be something I'd pay to read.

A lot of espionage agents are exposed accidentally, just read the histories of the Special Operations Executive in WW2. Liara's key info came from Cerberus and we have no idea how/who/what leaked the message that exposed the location of the SB's base. For all we know Liara could've stumbled around for years more without locating Hagalaz or the SB ship, she certainly didn't know for sure she could crack THAT door.

Certainly, but why is the Shadow Broker exposed now? It could have been an accident, which would be a bit anticlimatic, but outside of plot, why is the Broker exposed now? It seems like after Liara become the Shadow Broker, everyone on the Normandy+some found out about it. Seems like that would get a target painted on Liara's back faster than any of the other Brokers may have experienced. Liara's seemingly inability to keep her job underwraps would lend itself more towards the accidental discovery than the previous Broker. As you pointed out, that Broker was in power for approximately 60 years. Nothing to sneeze at, so I ask what changed? He certainly had the experience to keep his base underwraps for decades. How did Cerberus suddenly cause him to slip up? Or, rather, how did he suddenly slip up, with or without Cerberus's influence? Something happened, and I'd like to know what.

[Aristobulus500]

Hey so this is a thing



http://i.imgur.com/fJBTH.png
No idea at the validity of it, go nuts with

Personally, I think if that's real? It's terrible and isn't going to be salvaging their reputation at all. I'd hope they are smarter than to think that would smooth things over.

Modifié par Aristobulus500, 21 avril 2012 - 07:44 .

[LouTenant]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Hey so this is a thing

*snip*

http://i.imgur.com/fJBTH.png
No idea at the validity of it, go nuts with

Personally, I think if that's real? It's terrible and isn't going to be salvaging their reputation at all. I'd hope they are smarter than to think that would smooth things over.

Old stuff, dismissed as a fake and speculated to death. 

[MidnightRaith]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Hey so this is a thing



http://i.imgur.com/fJBTH.png
No idea at the validity of it, go nuts with

Personally, I think if that's real? It's terrible and isn't going to be salvaging their reputation at all. I'd hope they are smarter than to think that would smooth things over.

If that's real, then I'm going to completely disown ME's ending, headcanon my own ending and read tons of fanfiction. Maybe even write one too.... The likelyhood of me buying anything ME related will be significantly lowered and they can forget about any DLC they want to sell me.....

If not, then wait and see, I guess.

EDIT: Ah, good, so it's not real. Still waiting and still a tad pessimistic though.....

Modifié par MidnightRaith, 21 avril 2012 - 07:51 .

[CrazyGreggy]

MidnightRaith wrote...
Certainly, but why is the Shadow Broker exposed now? It could have been an accident, which would be a bit anticlimatic, but outside of plot, why is the Broker exposed now? It seems like after Liara become the Shadow Broker, everyone on the Normandy+some found out about it. Seems like that would get a target painted on Liara's back faster than any of the other Brokers may have experienced. Liara's seemingly inability to keep her job underwraps would lend itself more towards the accidental discovery than the previous Broker. As you pointed out, that Broker was in power for approximately 60 years. Nothing to sneeze at, so I ask what changed? He certainly had the experience to keep his base underwraps for decades. How did Cerberus suddenly cause him to slip up? Or, rather, how did he suddenly slip up, with or without Cerberus's influence? Something happened, and I'd like to know what.

Well, he was working with the Collectors but we do know that TIM had sunk 4 billion credits into Project Lazarus and money-wise was running on fumes at that point. Liara's already been hunting for a way to take the SB down, slipping her the crucial info (and again, no idea how long they'd had that)  would take her, Shepard and the crew along to get rid of the collector-collaborator. If Liara wins, the collectors lose an ally, so using someone TIM knows Shepard will move heaven and earth to help is a smart move.

[Chrillze]

That 4chan post have been dismissed by Mike The Man Gamble as fake. And if it would have been true it wouldn't have fixed a thing

[TrueMadayar]

I reject your ending and substitute my own. We should start printing that on T-Shirts...it's multi-usable!

Just wanted to say hi to you liaramancers. Was browsing Meenoy6's profile again and still find this the BEST blue babies picture. Except it's not blue. Oh well...



Skål.

[Arlionis]

Chrillze wrote...

That 4chan post have been dismissed by Mike The Man Gamble as fake. And if it would have been true it wouldn't have fixed a thing

Dunno, it not like if the devs never lied to us about something... Anyway, I for one don't believe anything appearing on 4C. 


Oh, first post, must post pic: 

Modifié par Arlionis, 21 avril 2012 - 07:56 .

[MidnightRaith]

CrazyGreggy wrote...

MidnightRaith wrote...
Certainly, but why is the Shadow Broker exposed now? It could have been an accident, which would be a bit anticlimatic, but outside of plot, why is the Broker exposed now? It seems like after Liara become the Shadow Broker, everyone on the Normandy+some found out about it. Seems like that would get a target painted on Liara's back faster than any of the other Brokers may have experienced. Liara's seemingly inability to keep her job underwraps would lend itself more towards the accidental discovery than the previous Broker. As you pointed out, that Broker was in power for approximately 60 years. Nothing to sneeze at, so I ask what changed? He certainly had the experience to keep his base underwraps for decades. How did Cerberus suddenly cause him to slip up? Or, rather, how did he suddenly slip up, with or without Cerberus's influence? Something happened, and I'd like to know what.

Well, he was working with the Collectors but we do know that TIM had sunk 4 billion credits into Project Lazarus and money-wise was running on fumes at that point. Liara's already been hunting for a way to take the SB down, slipping her the crucial info (and again, no idea how long they'd had that)  would take her, Shepard and the crew along to get rid of the collector-collaborator. If Liara wins, the collectors lose an ally, so using someone TIM knows Shepard will move heaven and earth to help is a smart move.

I have no problem with Shepard and Liara going after the Shadow Broker, but what I meant by my question, is why did the Shadow Broker slip up then? He had plenty of experience, and power to continue the secret. If Cerberus was financially sunk as we're led to believe then how did they get that information? It's heavily implied that they were on their last leg and Shepard was apparently their last fight for humanity. Where did they get the resources to undermine one of the most powerful people in the galaxy? The more I think about it, the larger it seems to get as a plot hole.... Well, we can't say that Mass Effect isn't known for it's plot holes, right? Like I said, I would like to see the hole filled with something, but it's not critical. I only have to stop thinking about it, and I'm back to thinking how cool it is that Liara is the Shadow Broker.