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[ladyvader]

Twistedfaith wrote...

I've a few worries about her, now.
I've stayed faithful throughout my "main" playthrough, both one and two. Made sure not to even touch Chambers, despite people saying that it won't affect romancin'. Yet, I have a sinking feeling something will happen with Feron, regardless of her saying she's taken (by my femshep after the *justshutupandkissme* clip.)) She's still young, as Asari go, that was made clear, maybe she doesn't know what she wants, not truely, or as most of done "made mistakes", about creating a new LI in ME2, yet smoothing it over with her in LOTSB, maybe she'll do the same.

Secondly; I think there's something she's holding back on.. Meaning, her rescuing Shepard and delivering the body to Cerberus. Knowing TiM, there's -always- strings attached, I just hope to god that it's nothing too sinister, or she doesn't die.
I'm interested though, whether it'll be a romeo and julliet take, an underlying sacrifice, her agreeing to be experimented, captured, taken by Cerb' at some point due to, which it is really.. her -want- for Shepard's body not to be given to the Collector's by the Yahg broker and him agreeing, with Miranda's pushing for Sheploo or femshep to be rebuilt.
Perhap's it wasn't his intention to bring him back, just yet. After all, most know he's been indoctrinated, yet I highly doubt those under him know it, just yet.. Since noone really know's him at all, bar those whom he was with in the book.

Liara was looking for Shepard's body before she ran into Cerberus at Omega.  The SB also knew Liara was looking for Shepard's body,  SB sent Feron to keep her from getting it.  

ToP EDIT:

Modifié par ladyvader, 14 août 2011 - 01:56 .

[Twistedfaith]

Yes, Yes I know. Regardless, she couldn't have reconstructed him/her, thus it only makes sense that both Liara and TiM struck some sought of deal, that like always give him the upperhand/put it in his favour.
As for the Feron point? Yes, I understand she was betrayed, yet, that doesn't stop anything, if you've seen the dialogue. My femshep is with her, Sheploo - Tali. It's different.
Still, even though she denies it both times, it still seems ambiguous after asking if she's romantically involved with Feron on both plays.
Yes, to see the dialogue change, I saved before. First interupted whilst kissing, the second not kissing, but still expressing that my femshep wants Liara. That's where the doubts came.

Modifié par Twistedfaith, 14 août 2011 - 02:06 .

[King Minos]

So I am not alone that liara is holding back and Something might be between them. Where have you guys been?!

[ladyvader]

Twistedfaith wrote...

Yes, Yes I know. Regardless, she couldn't have reconstructed him/her, thus it only makes sense that both Liara and TiM struck some sought of deal, that like always give him the upperhand/put it in his favour.
As for the Feron point? Yes, I understand she was betrayed, yet, that doesn't stop anything, if you've seen the dialogue. My femshep is with her, Sheploo - Tali. It's different.
Still, even though she denies it both times, it still seems ambiguous after asking if she's romantically involved with Feron on both plays.
Yes, to see the dialogue change, I saved before. First interupted whilst kissing, the second not kissing, but still expressing that my femshep wants Liara. That's where the doubts came.

For all we know, Liara's intent before running into Cerberus on Omega was to give Shepard's body to the Alliance.  The comic never said what Liara was going to do with Shepard's body.  She just knew the body was missing and went looking for it.

I still don't see Liara with Feron.  She barely trusted him before he gave himself up to save her and Shepard.  Which is way she wanted to return the favor.  Plus she wanted to make the Shadow Broker pay for what he did to both Shepard and Feron.  For all Liara knew, Feron was dead all this time.

I trust Liara completely.  I don't trust Cerberus or TIM.  Liara was acting like anything but a typical asari when she couldn't let Shepard go.

The only difference with not doing the kiss interrupt and asking about Feron is Liara comments that the Commander is jealous and they should do something about it.  Liara wants to be with Shepard.  She just afraid of losing Shepard a second time when she just got over mourning Shepard the past two years.  I can't blame her for that.

[Red Son Rising]

King Minos wrote...

So I am not alone that liara is holding back and Something might be between them. Where have you guys been?!

i dont see anything between them but mutual respect. if my shepard gets jealous its only because liara is so focused on [getting feron back] that she's not payin shep any mind, not cause liara has a thing for feron

Modifié par Red Son Rising, 14 août 2011 - 02:34 .

[Ihatebadgames]

Feron did nothing but lie to Liara,then try and stab her in the back.Only reason he changed his mind and helped Liara is SB was going to give Shepard to the Collecters and he(Feron) doesn't deal in slaves.

[Twistedfaith]

@ King Minos

There have been quite a few thing's brushed over lightly, which I believe will hit home in ME3. Who know's Feron might still be influenced by TiM, using Liara to gain more information. After all, he always seems keen to "help".

@Ihatebadgames

Exactly. He's not as hollow and fickle as he's precieved to be. Liara, being her will more than likely forgive, you could tell in LOTSB that she cared for Feron to say the very least. Be it for helping to bring her "love" back, or the sacrifice he made for her, a mixture of both might also be correct, but eh. All we can do is speculate and interpret thing's differently.

@Ladyvader;

Precisely, yet it's been enphasised that she's young, as Asari's go, been brought back upon many a time, which makes me think.. something's going to go down. No, none of us trust either of those factors, which is why I had mentioned.. I feel there's -something- she's keeping back, albeit with Feron or TiM/Cerberus as i've mentioned. You make a deal with TiM and there will be more string's attached than an hour long marionette show, thus, to not stray further from the point, Liara -will- have to pay the consquences at somepoint.

No, I doubt she'd give it to the Alliance. Despite it being hidden, Lia strikes me, at least to be a -very- protective person. If what she had said was meant whole heartedly, she would've given Shep a send off & needed it for closure.
It was said, she only made said "deal" with Cerberus/TiM because she wanted the chance of bringing our Galactic hero back from the dead. Cerberus held up their end, mayhaps begrudgingly, who know's, it was inevitable that Shepard wouldn't become a lapdog to TiM and his cronies, he knew that and his played his game very well, even with the defection of Miranda (if you chose that with her in the Collectorbase). Sadly, returning to my earlier point, in my eyes.. there's no "if" Lia will have to repay her debt/hold up her end of the bargain.. but "when".

~ On a sidenote, I do love your written fanfics, a great read indeed:).

Modifié par Twistedfaith, 14 août 2011 - 04:05 .

[ladyvader]

@Twistedfaith
If Liara made a deal that was more than getting Shepard's body, it's not mentioned in the comic. Liara also thought after giving Shepard's body to Cerberus with Miranda saying they might not be able to bring Shepard back. That maybe they should let the dead rest. After reading the comic, I don't think Liara made any more type of deal with TIM. Unless it's something that Mac Walters had planned to reveal in ME3. If that is the case then we will wait until March to find out.

Liara was the only former squad mate TIM lied about. Which pissed me off to no end. Major reason why I want to kill that guy. Besides that fact he lied to Shepard about other things too.

I don't sense at all that Liara is holding back information from Shepard. I think she is just wanting to keep herself from being hurt again. Not that Shepard would hurt her on purpose, but it seems that Shepard dying gutted her. Dealing with Cerberus/Feron/Shadow Broker hardened her and she put up a huge facade both to protect herself from her own mourning and to make it in the information business.

TIM is playing both Shepard and Liara. Why else is he keeping an eye on their relationship? LI or not. He doesn't seem concerned about VS, Tali, Garrus, or Wrex. Just Liara. I still think TIM gave Shepard the information to give to Liara so she could take over as the Shadow Broker even though that was not Liara's plan. Her plan was get in, get Feron, get out. Kill anyone that gets in our way.

Thank you, neither story is completely posted online. I'm done with both. I just post one chapter a week.

[Twistedfaith]

@Ladyvader

You've hit the nail on the head, so to speak. Not everything is implemented into the comics, it would spoil and in turn map out most of what will be happening in the third and final installment of Shepard's journey which alas would spoil most of the goings on, that much I speculate, you're a different person than I, thus it's natural we've our own opinion's on such topics.

Yes, I happen to agree with your whole statement of the sass' she's given in the second, an obvious shield indeed. I don't understand why people who say.. "They prefered the old Liara..", get it from. It's Human(alien) nature to do such things. As for their Benezia remarks, she didn't know her mother and doted Shepard, despite her being ME's first LI. Even so, there's..far more that Liara could've said, but hasn't, yet. Yes, she's been direct on the majority of openly discussed point's, however, everyone has their secrets, even if their miniscule, or massive. Don't forget, as you've said, she's still coming to terms with Shepard being alive, thus, could easily been put at the back of her mind for the time being, which in the end swing's back around to holding a few certain thing's in the dark, at least for now, or so I believe. There's reason to do it, understandable too on Lia's behalf.

Yes, i've digressed quite, quite badly, for that I apologies. Knowingly, however, she gave Shep's body to Cerberus, after all the hate generated through the first game, for the hope, even a miniscule ammount that she could get our hero back, was selfish as she openly stated. People operate in different ways, regardless of the fact Miranda stated there's always a chance it won't work, Lia clung to that spark, and quite obviously, being who she is would do -anything-, for that right? That is what made me think. Coming to think of it, my Feron thought is getting a tad more bogus, her have feeling's for him, yet I cannot help.. but think that it'll be the last of such ambiguous dialogue/points/banter revolving around those two. To say I don't trust Liara, is wrong, I just have my doubts, that's all. Based around age and various hint's via the cutscenes and dialogue.

Well no, for good reason. the V.S, or the other's hadn't gone as far to search for her corpse, bar Liara of course. Well yes, that I do agree, yet for obvious reason. I'm not entirly sure, so don't scald me on this, but I highly doubt TiM had such access into what TSB did/does. It would only be logical for him to do such a thing, a fix on the whereabouts, inside information. Knowledge is power, after all.. and most certainly does TSB.

~ No problem at all, I shall check back when I can! Again, a most brilliant read.

Modifié par Twistedfaith, 14 août 2011 - 05:25 .

[King Minos]

Is there any reason why liara brought Shepards body IF they didn't romance liara? That always got me curious, I definitely know NON of my friends or even family would do that!

[Red Son Rising]

King Minos wrote...

Is there any reason why liara brought Shepards body IF they didn't romance liara? That always got me curious, I definitely know NON of my friends or even family would do that!

cause she's the only member of the old crew that gave a d*** enuff to look for a body. that and she's got a crush on shepard regardless of if youve romanced her or not

[edit] bout that time again. thread needs another does of baby blue

Modifié par Red Son Rising, 14 août 2011 - 11:02 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

King Minos wrote...

Is there any reason why liara brought Shepards body IF they didn't romance liara? That always got me curious, I definitely know NON of my friends or even family would do that!

Because she was the only one without any duties to attend to.

Tali was with the flottila.
Wrex is either dead or on Tuchanka (left before the SR-1 was destroyed).
Garrus is either working for C-sec, applying for spectrehood, indecisive on the Citadel (also left before SR-1 destroyed).
The Virmire-survivor is most likely re-assigned as soon as the Normandy was gone.

Liara was the only one who actually had nothing to do. While neutral-Garrus also might have been able to go, the fact is that he had two other versions where he was busy.

[Robhuzz]

ladyvader wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

I can totally see Kal Reegar and Tali working out but Liara and Feron? *snorts* Liara can do waaaay better.

To me the only reason why Liara even cared about rescuing Feron in the first place was because he gave himself up to allow Liara to escape with Shepard's body.  Until that point, she didn't even trust him.  Liara doesn't seem like one to just hop into bed with someone.  She never melded before she did with Shepard in ME.

I just don't see them being an item. 

Kal Reegar and Tali would make a good pair.  They seem to respect each other and Tali does seem to care about him.

Indeed, until Feron gave himself up to save Liara and allow her to rescue Shepard, she didn't trust him. After that she felt obliged to try and rescue Feron seeing as, at that point, there was nothing else for her to do, and she owed him, didn't look like there were any romantic feelings involved. I think BW deliberately put in a 'maybe she has feelings for Feron' part here. When not romancing her she says she wouldn't take advantage of Feron because of the state he's in. She never outright confirms or denies interest in him. This way, BW can still set her up for romantic involvement with Feron eventually but also keep their relationship strictly professional. If I were to guess I'd say the latter. They don't seriously seem to fit together. They were (are) both information brokers but that's where the similarities end.

[Robhuzz]

King Minos wrote...

Is there any reason why liara brought Shepards body IF they didn't romance liara? That always got me curious, I definitely know NON of my friends or even family would do that!

Only way I can think of to make that work is this. Liara was always very loyal to Shepard, she owed him from moment 1 because without Shepard she would've been:

1. Killed by the Geth on Therum
2. Taken by the Geth and brought to Saren (and consequently become indoctrinated by her time near Sovereign)
3. Starved to death on Therum

None of these are too pleasant I'm sure.

No matter what Shepard does, Liara always develops a scientific and later romantic interest towards him and never really stops caring for him even if turned down. After Shepard's death, Liara probably didn't go looking for his body by herself. Cerberus recognized Liara's care for Shepard and approached her, knowing others were either too busy (Tali, Wrex) too suspicious of Cerberus (Ashley/Kaidan) or simply could not be found (Garrus - TIM says he fell of the grid shortly after Shepard died and even they could not find him) to take up this task. So yeah, Liara was the perfect candidate. And all she needed was a promise by Cerberus to try and revive the person she cared about (even if that person didn't return such feelings).

In short, Liara was both available and very loyal to Shepard making her the perfect candidate for the job.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 14 août 2011 - 12:50 .

[TMA LIVE]

From what Redemption says, her and the rest of Shepard's friends when looking for answers after the Normandy was destroyed. And despite Shepard being her lover, or best buddy, or some **** who saved her life, she considered him a friend, and someone she owed. When TIM asks if he can count on her, Liara says "No. But Shepard can." She says she wants to redeem herself for watching Shepard died from her escape pod, and not being able to do anything about it.

And if you ask her why she gave your body to Cerberus, if a friend, she says "Was I suppose to watch my friend die, when offered a sliver of hope?"

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 14 août 2011 - 02:44 .

[TMA LIVE]

Twistedfaith wrote...

Secondly; I think there's something she's holding back on.. Meaning, her rescuing Shepard and delivering the body to Cerberus. Knowing TiM, there's -always- strings attached, I just hope to god that it's nothing too sinister, or she doesn't die.
I'm interested though, whether it'll be a romeo and julliet take, an underlying sacrifice, her agreeing to be experimented, captured, taken by Cerb' at some point due to, which it is really.. her -want- for Shepard's body not to be given to the Collector's by the Yahg broker and him agreeing, with Miranda's pushing for Sheploo or femshep to be rebuilt.
Perhap's it wasn't his intention to bring him/her back, just yet.

After all, most know he's been indoctrinated now, yet I highly doubt those under him know it, just yet.. Since noone really know's him at all, bar those whom he was with in the book.

I can tell you right now there's no strings attached. Cerberus was already looking for Shepard body, with Miranda. They just happened to find Liara, and hired her to the obtain the body with Feron. The only extra deal was to give Cerberus all the info on the Shadow Broker's dealings with the Collectors, in order to learn why they were after Shepard's body. After that, they told her to give them the body, because they said they could bring him back, though the chances were slim. And she agreed to it, despite knowing they use Shepard for their own agendas. She let it happen because she couldn't let you go.

If there were any strings attached, they wouldn't need Shepard to have to give her to data in personal.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 14 août 2011 - 02:57 .

[Kadzin]

Robhuzz wrote...

King Minos wrote...

Is there any reason why liara brought Shepards body IF they didn't romance liara? That always got me curious, I definitely know NON of my friends or even family would do that!

Only way I can think of to make that work is this. Liara was always very loyal to Shepard, she owed him from moment 1 because without Shepard she would've been:

1. Killed by the Geth on Therum
2. Taken by the Geth and brought to Saren (and consequently become indoctrinated by her time near Sovereign)
3. Starved to death on Therum

None of these are too pleasant I'm sure.

No matter what Shepard does, Liara always develops a scientific and later romantic interest towards him and never really stops caring for him even if turned down. After Shepard's death, Liara probably didn't go looking for his body by herself. Cerberus recognized Liara's care for Shepard and approached her, knowing others were either too busy (Tali, Wrex) too suspicious of Cerberus (Ashley/Kaidan) or simply could not be found (Garrus - TIM says he fell of the grid shortly after Shepard died and even they could not find him) to take up this task. So yeah, Liara was the perfect candidate. And all she needed was a promise by Cerberus to try and revive the person she cared about (even if that person didn't return such feelings).

In short, Liara was both available and very loyal to Shepard making her the perfect candidate for the job.

I would also like to add that Shepard revealed to Liara the fate of the Protheans, the existance of the Reapers and brought her on Ilos, I am pretty sure the scientist in Liara could never dream of all that happeneing if she didn't meet Shepard

Edit: Also a peculiar piece of fan art
Still not sure how I feel about it but I think it's worth posting

Modifié par Kadzin, 14 août 2011 - 10:11 .

[Levet]

Does anyone know where I can get video footage of Liara from ME and ME2?
I want to make a video but I'm playing ME on Xbox so I can't record anything^^.

Blue, blue, blue

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Levet wrote...

Does anyone know where I can get video footage of Liara from ME and ME2?
I want to make a video but I'm playing ME on Xbox so I can't record anything^^.

Blue, blue, blue

Gameplay footage of Liara or dialog/cinematic? I got some Liara footage back from when I made my "You know my name" ME tribute. Granted the Shepard in them is Sheploo.

[TMA LIVE]

You can probably just use clips form youtube.

[Levet]

@Lizardviking
Cinematic would be perfect, I've got a song that reminds me of Liara verytime I listen to it, so I wanted to make a video with romantic scenes of her.

@TMA LIVE
Yeah I that about that too but I wanted to ask here first, before I download half a dozen YT videos ^^.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Levet wrote...

@Lizardviking
Cinematic would be perfect, I've got a song that reminds me of Liara verytime I listen to it, so I wanted to make a video with romantic scenes of her.

I got a few with Liara in it. I got The recruitment mission (obviously) parts of Noveria (Confronting Benezia but not her death scene, and the Rachni queen decision), I got the endgame including romance scene. I also think I got some of the conversations but I am not too sure about that.

But even then. Not sure how I would be able to give you the files.

[Levet]

Lizardviking wrote...

Levet wrote...

@Lizardviking
Cinematic would be perfect, I've got a song that reminds me of Liara verytime I listen to it, so I wanted to make a video with romantic scenes of her.

I got a few with Liara in it. I got The recruitment mission (obviously) parts of Noveria (Confronting Benezia but not her death scene, and the Rachni queen decision), I got the endgame including romance scene. I also think I got some of the conversations but I am not too sure about that.

But even then. Not sure how I would be able to give you the files.

Sounds not so bad^^.

Maybe you could send me some per e-mail.

[King Minos]

Can't allow this thread to float to second Page, would post a picture but can't.

[Kadzin]

Sure you can

King Minos wrote...

Can't allow this thread to float to second Page, posting a picture.

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