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[CDHarrisUSF]

Akernis wrote...

And I just found this, I really liked it

*saves the image*

Modifié par CDHarrisUSF, 22 avril 2012 - 04:32 .

[Chaosbrain]

Robhuzz wrote...

Shinobu wrote...

Akernis wrote...

And I just found this, I really liked it

I love this.

This is really nice, something like this should definitely be in the Shepard&Liara epilogue. Both of them enjoying the beauties of a world they saved together.

Oh god that's so beautiful <3

[Sunnie]

I think the difference between this; Liara Midriff and this;Some models back is familiarity.

In the Liara midriff pic, we know it's her, we all have expectations of some kind revolving around her, and we have a connection to her on a deep level. That is likely why the re-posting and re-quoting dozens of times would make people start to feel a bit uneasy and eventually think the picture reduces Liara to a metaphorical piece of meat.

In the second picture, we have no familiarity with the model, at all. It is a work of art that generally won't leave viewers feeling that the subject is being reduced to that metaphorical piece of meat because they don't have any connection to the model or the setting.

Edit: stupid BSN forum software doesn't recognize IMG tag sizing, links added instead.

Modifié par Sunnie22, 22 avril 2012 - 04:50 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Akernis wrote...
And I just found this, I really liked it

The ending we will...

Never get!

[yesikareyes]

Akernis wrote...

yesikareyes wrote...
Akernis! You just won my heart over 

I do my best . The artist is planetaryJunction on Deviantart (I still have no idea how to link )

Here is another he made
  

Another point for Akernis!!!  Oh, there's a button on top with a globe and chain thing.

[Heather Cline]

Sunnie22 wrote...


I think the difference between this; Liara Midriff and this;Some models back is familiarity.

In the Liara midriff pic, we know it's her, we all have expectations of some kind revolving around her, and we have a connection to her on a deep level. That is likely why the re-posting and re-quoting dozens of times would make people start to feel a bit uneasy and eventually think the picture reduces Liara to a metaphorical piece of meat.

In the second picture, we have no familiarity with the model, at all. It is a work of art that generally won't leave viewers feeling that the subject is being reduced to that metaphorical piece of meat because they don't have any connection to the model or the setting.

Edit: stupid BSN forum software doesn't recognize IMG tag sizing, links added instead.

First link doesn't work sunnie but i agree with your post.

[Sunnie]

Dude on Fire wrote...

@Akernis
The Turn on/Turn off act doesn't even require you to be very ambitious about the movement (it basically instructs you to NOT play the game for those 24 hours, which technically requires less dedication than a regular day). So, by not contributing to the act you're either showing that you did not know about it or that you really don't give a rat's *ss. This is a VERY simple act for the individual, but still so great when it is done organized in numbers.
The anti-attitude is what we're NOT supposed to fall into - that's what BioWare and EA are hoping for. If the dedication and the emotional attachment fades this movement WILL lose, and we'll NEVER have what we've fought for since the release of the game.

Just a suggestion... You might want to tone down your statements a tad bit. It feels like you are forcing your opinion on others at the end of a gun barrel. Being passionate about something is fine, just don't imopse your reality on anyone else who may not agree. many people are pacifists, or just don't like confrontation, or are indifferent or don't agree with the movements at all. They are entitled to their opinions just as much as you are. So say your peace and hope you gain support, but don't get angry if you don't find it or not to your expectation.

Modifié par Sunnie22, 22 avril 2012 - 04:51 .

[Sunnie]

Heather Cline wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...


I think the difference between this; Liara Midriff and this;Some models back is familiarity.

In the Liara midriff pic, we know it's her, we all have expectations of some kind revolving around her, and we have a connection to her on a deep level. That is likely why the re-posting and re-quoting dozens of times would make people start to feel a bit uneasy and eventually think the picture reduces Liara to a metaphorical piece of meat.

In the second picture, we have no familiarity with the model, at all. It is a work of art that generally won't leave viewers feeling that the subject is being reduced to that metaphorical piece of meat because they don't have any connection to the model or the setting.

Edit: stupid BSN forum software doesn't recognize IMG tag sizing, links added instead.

First link doesn't work sunnie but i agree with your post.

blah.. link fixed. More BSN configuration stupidity.

[The Lightspeaker]

I can see why people feel like that but I don't share it. People (most people anyway) here appreciate Liara's personality a lot and for many it's what first interested them in her. Appreciating her physical features as well is hardly reducing her to "meat".

Just how I feel though. *shrug*


Edit: On reflection maybe my view is coloured by the fact I've spent the past four weeks thinking about Liara's personality in a lot of detail for my fanfic.

Modifié par The Lightspeaker, 22 avril 2012 - 05:07 .

[yesikareyes]

The Lightspeaker wrote...

I can see why people feel like that but I don't share it. People (most people anyway) here appreciate Liara's personality a lot and for many it's what first interested them in her. Appreciating her physical features as well is hardly reducing her to "meat".

Just how I feel though. *shrug*

That's what I say about Miranda <_<

[Sunnie]

The Lightspeaker wrote...

I can see why people feel like that but I don't share it. People (most people anyway) here appreciate Liara's personality a lot and for many it's what first interested them in her. Appreciating her physical features as well is hardly reducing her to "meat".

Just how I feel though. *shrug*

It's more about human psychology, the feeling some have to that pic is not limited to that pic alone, it is common and does happen to just about everyone at some point in their life with something they have a deep connection with. People will have much more prominent reaction to something they are familiar with over something they are not.

[Aristobulus500]

The Lightspeaker wrote...

I can see why people feel like that but I don't share it. People (most people anyway) here appreciate Liara's personality a lot and for many it's what first interested them in her. Appreciating her physical features as well is hardly reducing her to "meat".

Just how I feel though. *shrug*


Edit: On reflection maybe my view is coloured by the fact I've spent the past four weeks thinking about Liara's personality in a lot of detail for my fanfic.

Appreciating her physical features isn't reducing her to meat, no. I think you're missing the point. I say the Liara midriff picture is a reduction because, well, in simple terms - it is. That exact same picture, but full body, I'd probably not find tasteless at all.

For me, it's because her head and such are cut out of the picture.

Do you get that? Can you at least see the difference in what's being portrayed, in a full body picture vs. that? In both you still have her physical characteristics to like, but in one, there's some personality and character portrayed, too.

[Akernis]

The Lightspeaker wrote...

I can see why people feel like that but I don't share it. People (most people anyway) here appreciate Liara's personality a lot and for many it's what first interested them in her. Appreciating her physical features as well is hardly reducing her to "meat".

Just how I feel though. *shrug*

Edit: On reflection maybe my view is coloured by the fact I've spent the past four weeks thinking about Liara's personality in a lot of detail for my fanfic.

I agree with this, I see no problem in appreciating various aspect of a person you love. There is nothing, in my opinion, wrong with liking Liara's physical appereance in addition to her personality, quite the contrary, I like to appreciate every appealling aspect of her.

It only becomes a problem for me when people focus on those physical features at the expense of her as a character and is simply into her because she is a "hot blue chick" or similar.

[yesikareyes]

Akernis wrote...

The Lightspeaker wrote...

I can see why people feel like that but I don't share it. People (most people anyway) here appreciate Liara's personality a lot and for many it's what first interested them in her. Appreciating her physical features as well is hardly reducing her to "meat".

Just how I feel though. *shrug*

Edit: On reflection maybe my view is coloured by the fact I've spent the past four weeks thinking about Liara's personality in a lot of detail for my fanfic.

I agree with this, I see no problem in appreciating various aspect of a person you love. There is nothing, in my opinion, wrong with liking Liara's physical appereance in addition to her personality, quite the contrary, I like to appreciate every appealling aspect of her.

It only becomes a problem for me when people focus on those physical features at the expense of her as a character and is simply into her because she is a "hot blue chick" or similar.

Oh, everyone's talking about that picture.  Hmm, I'm not particularly outraged by it but I see everyone's point about not showing her face and other features.

Also, Liara was never just a "hot blue chick" for me. The first time I heard of the ME series, I was like there's no way I'm romancing an alien. I played ME2 first so I thought that it'll be easy to just stick to Miranda when I tried ME1. However, Liara's character drew me in big time. 

[pacer90]

Off the current conversation, but do you think we could get an updated post near the OP about artists and fanfics? Preferably a few that were made recently?

Anyone who has a post on the first page could do it. They could put links to deviantart profiles like wingedmoggy, or a list of fanfics that people have been making lately. (I can't keep up with everyone and their progress recently)

[Dude on Fire]

Just screw it all. This is just like everything else in my pathetic life. Whenever I find something that actually matters to me it has to f up. Can't even properly state an opinion.

[yesikareyes]

Dude on Fire wrote...

Just screw it all. This is just like everything else in my pathetic life. Whenever I find something that actually matters to me it has to f up. Can't even properly state an opinion.

Calm down, no one's trying to antagonize you. I understand what you're trying to say since I'm part of HTL and the staff that's been working hard to promote this. We appreciate how you are so passionate, but sometimes we have to be careful on how we say things. I would gladly help you with that, if you want! 

Modifié par yesikareyes, 22 avril 2012 - 05:42 .

[Dude on Fire]

yesikareyes wrote...

Dude on Fire wrote...

Just screw it all. This is just like everything else in my pathetic life. Whenever I find something that actually matters to me it has to f up. Can't even properly state an opinion.

Calm down, no one's trying to antagonize you. 

It's all about the receiving end. No one has a freaking personal file on me and actively sits and tries to provoke me with every slight bit of emotional attachment that I have. It just happens. And too much.
"You can't follow me."

[PMC65]

The Lightspeaker wrote...

I can see why people feel like that but I don't share it. People (most people anyway) here appreciate Liara's personality a lot and for many it's what first interested them in her. Appreciating her physical features as well is hardly reducing her to "meat".

Just how I feel though. *shrug*


Edit: On reflection maybe my view is coloured by the fact I've spent the past four weeks thinking about Liara's personality in a lot of detail for my fanfic.

Nah, I love that picture ... Just throw me in the barbaric, meat-loving, female admiring type of gal!

Sometimes I want someone for their mind and other times for their body.

Of course, I really don't take myself or life in general too serious for the most part and really hate myself when in the rare moments I do. Those moments always end up with me looking like the putz I am.

Pitchfork, bra burning and occupying anything other than my own home doesn't interest me.

[The Lightspeaker]

PMC65 wrote...

Nah, I love that picture ... Just throw me in the barbaric, meat-loving, female admiring type of gal!

Sometimes I want someone for their mind and other times for their body.

Of course, I really don't take myself or life in general too serious for the most part and really hate myself when in the rare moments I do. Those moments always end up with me looking like the putz I am.

Pitchfork, bra burning and occupying anything other than my own home doesn't interest me.

Haha, yeah I can appreciate the "sometimes" comment there. It's not all about one thing or the other.

Unfortunately I always take life way too seriously.

[DOsquareZER]

something wrong with the wastline pic? ...
*Looks at it*
*stares*

hmmm.. maybe if i..

*tilts (edit apparentlys i cant say coc*) head to the side and stares some more*
...*leans in and squints*
*rubs chin* ...
*ponders, trying to touch the moniter - cusses*
*stares some more*

I dont see a problem here. Just a flattering part of a even greater whole. And look at those textures - graphics wise it's pretty damn awesome. Her eyes have the same effect on me.

Modifié par doozer12, 22 avril 2012 - 06:05 .

[Aristobulus500]

doozer12 wrote...

something wrong with the wastline pic? ... *Looks at it* *stares* hmmm.. maybe if i..*
tilts (edit apparentlys i cant say coc*) head to the side and stares some more*
...*leans in and squints*
*rubs chin* ...
*ponders*
*stares some more*

I dont see a problem here. Just a flattering part of a even greater whole. And look at those textures - graphics wise it's pretty damn awesome. Her eyes have the same effect on me.

Again, look at it this way - what's the difference between that midriff pic, and a full body picture? If you just imagine that comparison, can you not see why the first is more tasteless, especially in comparison to the 2nd?

Your own words point to the issue too, if you don't realize it. "A flattering part".

[The Lightspeaker]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Again, look at it this way - what's the difference between that midriff pic, and a full body picture? If you just imagine that comparison, can you not see why the first is more tasteless, especially in comparison to the 2nd?

...because a full body pic would be majorly NSFW? (Also I think thats a flycam capture and certain...ah...features aren't fully textured IIRC so it'd look weird.)

And I don't see why its especially tasteless. Its artistic. I mean it'd be a bit different if it was just a picture of her boobs or something.

Modifié par The Lightspeaker, 22 avril 2012 - 06:09 .

[Aristobulus500]

The Lightspeaker wrote...

...because a full body pic would be majorly NSFW? (Also I think thats a flycam capture and certain...ah...features aren't fully textured IIRC so it'd look weird.)

Aren't both NSFW? Is the midriff picture really something you would be okay being caught looking at, at work?

And I don't see why its especially tasteless. Its artistic. I mean it'd be a bit different if it was just a picture of her boobs or something.

See, this is kindof the issue. I realize that it's just a flycam capture so it can't show off her ****** or something - but what I mean is this. You say it'd be different if it was just her boobs, then I might have a point.

I think what it is, is just the impression I'm getting here - and I could be wrong, but it's my feeling none the less - and it's that, were the in game model actually fully detailed, I feel like the midriff thing would show off her ****** but then cut off just the same, without showing her head or anything.

If you think they still wouldn't do that, then I'm more inclined to call it artistic. I'm just getting the impression they aren't pulling a full on Miranda on me only because they can't.

[TheMarshal]

The Lightspeaker wrote...

...because a full body pic would be majorly NSFW? (Also I think thats a flycam capture and certain...ah...features aren't fully textured IIRC so it'd look weird.)

And I don't see why its especially tasteless. Its artistic. I mean it'd be a bit different if it was just a picture of her boobs or something.

It is a great picture, but you can't just look at it just as a picture.  You have to examine the greater context.  Whenever that picture gets posted, it gets quoted and requoted and reposted ad nauseum.  And it's been posted a great number of times over the past 300-400 pages.  And when it gets posted, the comments are never about the artistic merit of the shot, nor about the quality of the textures used in the model.  They're usually exactly the kind of remarks that you'd expect about a picture of a naked woman.  And if it were just once or twice or even every so often that wouldn't be that bad.  It's when it happens over and over and over again that perceptions begin to be altered.