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[yesikareyes]

moreeman06 wrote...

I'd offer the same but I'm a writer and a sculptor drawing and painting are as far away from my skill set as you can possibly get

Sculptor eh? I'll give you a call when I'm a bajillionaire :>

[Akernis]

Brooks Mac wrote...

Its not abnormal to have a video game character crush... right?

No is not, I know I have... and that is putting it mildly .

As Lightspeaker said you should read his blog on the subject, it is really well written and extrmely insightsful. I think I can actually say its the best blog I have read.
I already knew what he said but the text made me realise I knew .

[The Lightspeaker]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

I'm starting to repeat myself here, I think, so I should probably stop, but it's out of a desire to say something. My thoughts on this aren't collected too well, but man, you're right about a lot, and it's powerful. Just saying.

Thanks. It was kinda spontaneous that blog but I thought it needed to be said at the time. Extremely nervous about posting it because it just seemed absolutely insane and kinda embarrassing; but the response to it just blew me away. And I keep getting stuff about it even now. Over a thousand views of it.

Akernis wrote...

As
Lightspeaker said you should read his blog on the subject, it is really
well written and extrmely insightsful. I think I can actually say its
the best blog I have read.
I already knew what he said but the text made me realise I knew ../../../images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png.

Thank you, glad it helped.

Modifié par The Lightspeaker, 22 avril 2012 - 09:18 .

[The Star Treker]

@polor89

How to post a picture:
When posting pictures. It should end up looking like this.
[*img]link to the picture[*/img]
Example: [*img]http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj68/ORHSWildcat2002/Mass%20Effect/wmplayer2012-04-1303-20-47-87.jpg[*/img]
(remove the *s to get it to work)
It should look like this down below.

[Dude on Fire]

Aristobulus500 wrote...
I don't know what you said, I haven't seen the post - I don't even know which side you took, but it comes down to tone and attitude.

If you realize you made a mistake, that's good because it means you can fix it and learn from it and not repeat it in the future.

If you don't mind me asking, what were you trying to say?

Pretty much exactly what is being said right now (face images are prefered to body), only I said things that shouldn't have been said, and insulted some people I respect. You possess a quality I do not - to present a hypothetically controversial statement without raising heck, and I envy you.

[Akernis]

The Lightspeaker wrote...

Akernis wrote...

As
Lightspeaker said you should read his blog on the subject, it is really
well written and extrmely insightsful. I think I can actually say its
the best blog I have read.
I already knew what he said but the text made me realise I knew ../../../images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png.

Thank you, glad it helped.

My pleasure, it did, especially as I was really down at that point.

P.s. Finally got time to reading your fanfics again , just sent you a PM with feedback.

[Mefistos989]

Alright, I have a question for you guys:

How many times Liara expressed fear or concern regarding Shep?

I remember these:
When you trip a mine on Rannoch during fighter base quest, she screams your name.
She asks if you are alright after geth consensus and she sounds somewhat pissed when talking on the comm.
She asks if you are alright during geth dreadnought quest.
I suspect she bugged my cabin, because after every dream she comes up. Too weird to be a coincidence...

Are there any more?

(She seems very caring, almost motherly. I originaly suspected her physical changes in ME3 were to indicate shift between Maiden and Matron stages... and it kinda makes sense..)

[Yuqi]

cohina wrote...

coles4971 wrote...

cohina wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

You must have an entertainingly nerdy bar, Yuqi

If I talked about Mass Effect in a bar they'd propably throw me out... or if not by the staff, then my friends would do that .

lol, I feel kinda lucky I know so many people who play Mass Effect, I can talk to them as much as I want about it. Though tbh nowadays it's pretty much just me raging about Space Hitler 

Most of my friends really don't mind me talking to them about Mass Effect, since they talk to me about WoW and other stuff, but just not in the bar. We're not going to the bar so that we can talk about ME... at least usually not .

Actually...the entire bar is for gaming. A bunch of semi-drunk gamers playing streetfighterxtekken is hillarious.

My favorite drink is the CLOUD STRIFE (Yes thats really it's name) Here are some examples of the drink list.

CLOUDSTRIFE:A tasty sour blend of Cazadores Blanco Tequila, lime juice and Triple Secwith a backhand of DeKuyper Mandarin Schnapps.

FINISHHIM: 42 Below Vodka, tomato juice, garlic, Tabasco sauce, salt and pepper go together to execute a bloody fatality.

But the whole Retake movement is seen as a joke. As a side effect it's made the patrons even more trolollol about American gamers.

Anyway this is going way off topic...
Nice to see some more mshep/liara pics here!( but sheploo is still so irksome.) Huzzah nice pic of michael shep Trekker I like this one of him..

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Yuqi wrote...

cohina wrote...

coles4971 wrote...

cohina wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

You must have an entertainingly nerdy bar, Yuqi

If I talked about Mass Effect in a bar they'd propably throw me out... or if not by the staff, then my friends would do that .

lol, I feel kinda lucky I know so many people who play Mass Effect, I can talk to them as much as I want about it. Though tbh nowadays it's pretty much just me raging about Space Hitler 

Most of my friends really don't mind me talking to them about Mass Effect, since they talk to me about WoW and other stuff, but just not in the bar. We're not going to the bar so that we can talk about ME... at least usually not .

Actually...the entire bar is for gaming. A bunch of semi-drunk gamers playing streetfighterxtekken is hillarious.

My favorite drink is the CLOUD STRIFE (Yes thats really it's name) Here are some examples of the drink list.

CLOUDSTRIFE:A tasty sour blend of Cazadores Blanco Tequila, lime juice and Triple Secwith a backhand of DeKuyper Mandarin Schnapps.

FINISHHIM: 42 Below Vodka, tomato juice, garlic, Tabasco sauce, salt and pepper go together to execute a bloody fatality.

But the whole Retake movement is seen as a joke. As a side effect it's made the patrons even more trolollol about American gamers.

Anyway this is going way off topic...
Nice to see some more mshep/liara pics here!( but sheploo is still so irksome.) Huzzah nice pic of michael shep Trekker I like this one of him..

Are you talking about the mana bar?

[Sunnie]

Mefistos989 wrote...

Alright, I have a question for you guys:

How many times Liara expressed fear or concern regarding Shep?

I remember these:
When you trip a mine on Rannoch during fighter base quest, she screams your name.
She asks if you are alright after geth consensus and she sounds somewhat pissed when talking on the comm.
She asks if you are alright during geth dreadnought quest.
I suspect she bugged my cabin, because after every dream she comes up. Too weird to be a coincidence...

Are there any more?

(She seems very caring, almost motherly. I originaly suspected her physical changes in ME3 were to indicate shift between Maiden and Matron stages... and it kinda makes sense..)

* I know some here will disagree with what I am about to say, however, according to the codex, dialog throgh the games and info presented in the novels, Liara is too young to enter the matron stage. Give her another 100 years and she will likely be at the point where she can transition into the Matron stage early.

[Mefistos989]

Sunnie22 wrote...
* I know some here will disagree with what I am about to say, however, according to the codex, dialog throgh the games and info presented in the novels, Liara is too young to enter the matron stage. Give her another 100 years and she will likely be at the point where she can transition into the Matron stage early.

I am fully aware of the codex concerning asari.  But it wouldn't be for the first time ME lore would be violated. 

It's not pure fanboyism on my part... it just.. that thought kinda clicked together. 

[Sunnie]

Mefistos989 wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...
* I know some here will disagree with what I am about to say, however, according to the codex, dialog throgh the games and info presented in the novels, Liara is too young to enter the matron stage. Give her another 100 years and she will likely be at the point where she can transition into the Matron stage early.

I am fully aware of the codex concerning asari.  But it wouldn't be for the first time ME lore would be violated. 

It's not pure fanboyism on my part... it just.. that thought kinda clicked together. 

Understandable, really. The kicker though is the passage in a novel that specifically says they can't. So you can just headcanon around that if you're so inclined, I just deal in hard data most of the time! /uploads_user/1070000/1069890/146195.gif

[Aristobulus500]

The Lightspeaker wrote...

Thanks. It was kinda spontaneous that blog but I thought it needed to be said at the time. Extremely nervous about posting it because it just seemed absolutely insane and kinda embarrassing; but the response to it just blew me away. And I keep getting stuff about it even now. Over a thousand views of it.

I understand the...reluctance to post that. It's definitely true that it's not considered..."acceptable" to hold these views of mere videogames. Like I said while reading your post, I had to confront my own shame and reluctance while reading your blog, too.

It's very hard to admit to the kinds of things you talked about.

Honestly, it does speak to how powerful ME is. I think it's important that people like you actually have the courage to bring this issues up, too, because that's how videogames might ever make the jump to being accepted like books and films are - when people realize the sheer amount of emotions they can pull out of people. People generally don't want to believe that a game can affect them like that, even if they *are*, so they need to be confronted with it, because otherwise it just keeps getting downplayed and people - well, they make up all this "window dressing" for it, as you described it.

They do that because they just don't want to admit - to themselves or others - that they have been so deeply affected by a videogame.

It's also powerful because ME is a rarity. Very, very few games attempt to do what it did. Movies and books do, occasionally - I mean look at Star Wars/Trek, as said. People got so invested in those for the same reasons - it was a huge, detailed world with fleshed out characters and such that made people honestly imagine living there, and the characters were very realistic and relateable. ME builds on the foundations they laid down and improves on it. Especially in the alien races and characters and their cultures - that they even have cultures.

But ME goes further and takes advantage of being a game by getting the player involved. In Star Wars, people were just passive observers, in ME you actually can feel like you're taking part in the universe, and relating to the characters, by how reasonable and natural their responses and such are.

So people, in some form, realize that - but they never really realize just how much it is actually capable of gripping them. Because, again, you're not supposed - and part of that is because, again, videogames just never *try*.

...I really hope the ending DLC untorches the ME universe. You making me realize these things, makes me hope that even more. It would be a crime for ME to become a failed attempt, a serious setback for videogames ever being taken seriously. ME was seriously videogames best chance, in recent history, for making that leap, as it's invested people every bit as much, if not moreso even, than Star Wars and Star Trek have.

Dude on Fire wrote...
Pretty
much exactly what is being said right now (face images are prefered to
body), only I said things that shouldn't have been said, and insulted
some people I respect. You possess a quality I do not - to present a
hypothetically controversial statement without raising heck, and I envy
you.

Wow, I...thank you. I appreciate that compliment.

I'll say this again, though, it's good that you can even realize your flaws. If you envy me for this quality - then think about why I can do this - I'm not special, you can do this too, especially if you realize flaws in what you said before. Again, it all comes down to tone, and attitude.

You're going to get upset and impassioned during arguments and such, but that doesn't mean you have to actually let your anger show. I'm not saying you have to be a robot about it...but try to retain a more respectful - perhaps even mellow and chill - tone.

I'm not magical though, many times I've said things that are controversial and it did raise some ire...this is another thing you have to accept. You can't please everyone, some people are going to hate you no matter what you do, sometimes even just for the very opinions you hold, no matter how you express them.

I mean, personally? I've received ungodly amounts of **** from people just for being invested in Mass Effect, and even more, for liking Liara so much. I don't even pretend I don't out about things, yet some people just really hate that people can become this invested. Again, it speaks to whole thing about how it's just not accepted. It's "nerdy" or for "shut ins" or such. I've literally had people spend upwards of $40 just to belittle and insult me in various ways.

It's actually pretty funny. But trolls and enemies are just a nature, you have to accept it, rather than getting pushed to flying off the handle into a rage. Just makes them look right when you do that, too.  You also have to accept that some people just won't ever share the same opinion as you - I've seen plenty of people who despise Liara, and they post things that are just outright false, and I might attempt to debate them on the subject, but lots of people have made up their minds already and there's nothing I can say to change their minds.

Just gotta ignore people who are too hostile and don't even bother debating with them at a certain point, it'll just raise your blood temp and get you too upset.

Hope I'm helping, anyway, since you do seem to want to improve your posting style.

[Akernis]

Sunnie22 wrote...
* I know some here will disagree with what I am about to say, however, according to the codex, dialog throgh the games and info presented in the novels, Liara is too young to enter the matron stage. Give her another 100 years and she will likely be at the point where she can transition into the Matron stage early.

We, or at least I, never disagreed with you that she cannot enter the Matron Stage this early, I actually support you on this one.
what was the issue last time was whether she or asari in general could have children before entering the Matron Stage.
On which point I believed we agreed to disagree 

Modifié par Akernis, 22 avril 2012 - 11:01 .

[rubynorman]

I have a crush on her too, and I wondered what was wrong with me? I read your blog Lightspeaker. Thank you. It does help me feel better but ... *Sigh* I feel like I can't talk to anyone about it, but at least in here I could be myself.
Liara is very caring. I wonder If my Shep wasn't her lover, would she said "are you alright?" in the geth dreadnoughlt.

[kumquats]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

...I really hope the ending DLC untorches the ME universe. You making me realize these things, makes me hope that even more. It would be a crime for ME to become a failed attempt, a serious setback for videogames ever being taken seriously. ME was seriously videogames best chance, in recent history, for making that leap, as it's invested people every bit as much, if not moreso even, than Star Wars and Star Trek have.

I wouldn't say I'm invested into ME, as much as I am invested into Star Trek. Star Trek is my bible and my first Sci-Fi love. And your first love is always something special.
But I always felt at home in the ME Universe.

The best thing for me is still, romancing an and commanding my own Crew.

I still need a fanfiction crossover between Star Trek and ME, featuring Liara. The thought alone of EDI meeting Data, just gave me an epic nerdgasm. I should go.

[moreeman06]

kumquats wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

...I really hope the ending DLC untorches the ME universe. You making me realize these things, makes me hope that even more. It would be a crime for ME to become a failed attempt, a serious setback for videogames ever being taken seriously. ME was seriously videogames best chance, in recent history, for making that leap, as it's invested people every bit as much, if not moreso even, than Star Wars and Star Trek have.

I wouldn't say I'm invested into ME, as much as I am invested into Star Trek. Star Trek is my bible and my first Sci-Fi love. And your first love is always something special.
But I always felt at home in the ME Universe.

The best thing for me is still, romancing an and commanding my own Crew.

I still need a fanfiction crossover between Star Trek and ME, featuring Liara. The thought alone of EDI meeting Data, just gave me an epic nerdgasm. I should go.

*peeks into thread*..... *quietly slips back into underground fanfic lair*

[Aristobulus500]

kumquats wrote...
I wouldn't say I'm invested into ME, as much as I am invested into Star Trek. Star Trek is my bible and my first Sci-Fi love. And your first love is always something special.
But I always felt at home in the ME Universe.

The best thing for me is still, romancing an and commanding my own Crew.

I still need a fanfiction crossover between Star Trek and ME, featuring Liara. The thought alone of EDI meeting Data, just gave me an epic nerdgasm. I should go.

I've always liked Star Trek, for many of the same reasons I like ME. Especially TNG. I really appreciated that Picard would tend towards trying to take a diplomatic approach, and it wasn't just all violence all the time. As well, aliens were, for the most part, taken seriously as characters. Especially given the limitations of the technology they had to make the show with.

But I haven't seen a ton of episodes, only saw what came on TV and what my parents watched, when I was a kid. I just never got around to watching the entire series, though I mean to one day.

But as a Star Trek fan, you can definitely see all the inspirations ME took from it, right?

Also, as you say, one thing ME does that Star Trek never really could, was a serious romance with an alien. That's just such a unique concept that it was a reason I got into ME, I wanted to see how that'd play out. I think if Star Trek had better tech they might've attempted many of the things ME does, even that, but they didn't. And since Star Trek, most media just use aliens as reskinned monsters and are cannon fodder for heroic human characters to shoot at.

At best, they've been comic relief side characters that are not strong enough to stand on their own. ME really did something special by having the aliens be every bit as respectable and serious strong characters as humans are. That they went the extra mile and put in honest attempts at romance is a testament to that.

But, in the end, I don't think it's really fair to compare Star Trek and ME, because of the time/technology difference in the two. ME would not be what it is now, if Star Trek hadn't existed, and I think if Star Trek came around today, Roddenberry and co. would've tried many of the things ME does. They simply lacked the tech.

Modifié par Aristobulus500, 22 avril 2012 - 11:21 .

[Sunnie]

Akernis wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...
* I know some here will disagree with what I am about to say, however, according to the codex, dialog throgh the games and info presented in the novels, Liara is too young to enter the matron stage. Give her another 100 years and she will likely be at the point where she can transition into the Matron stage early.

We, or at least I, never disagreed with you that she cannot enter the Matron Stage this early, I actually support you on this one.
what was the issue last time was whether she or asari in general could have children before entering the Matron Stage.
On which point I believed we agreed to disagree 

Matron stage and having children are hand in hand, and I don't understand how you can separate the two. It says they can not have children in the novel. Furthermore, nowhere in the lore or stories has childbearing not been mutually inclusive of the Matron stage. While there are notes about Matrons who never settle down and have children, and Matriarchs who never lead, having children is biologically linked to the stage of life the Asari have aptly titled "Matron". I'd be more than happy to concede the possibility, but theres too much hard data that says "no".

[TheMarshal]

Sunnie22 wrote...

* I know some here will disagree with what I am about to say, however, according to the codex, dialog throgh the games and info presented in the novels, Liara is too young to enter the matron stage. Give her another 100 years and she will likely be at the point where she can transition into the Matron stage early.

I'm curious why you're willing to accept that the matron stage can be 'entered' early, but unwilling to allow the possibility that someone as young as Liara would be able to do so?

[The Lightspeaker]

Furthermore, nowhere in the lore or stories has childbearing not been mutually inclusive of the Matron stage.

Ugh...do we really have to have this argument again?

The evidence against it being hand-in-hand is the fact that it is explicitly stated that Ardat-Yakshi syndrome becomes apparent at the onset of adolescent sexual development which occurs during the Maiden stage. This is age 40 based on the fact that Morinth ran away at that age when it was discovered she was AY.

The use of the term "sexual development" is pretty important, as it has certain implications. To whit: the development of secondary sex characteristics. Being able to have kids is a relatively small biological part of that and is what causes all the others to come about (through hormones and so on); I'm not saying asari are like humans, but I AM saying that specific wording has key meanings that are relevant here.

They're a couple of examples. There's other stuff but I'm too tired to go through and pick it all out right now. I honestly don't get why it's so important to some people to fight this corner of "you can't have kids, be miserable damn it!" The lore is self-contradictory and ambiguous. Why can't people just live and let live on this? Aren't things already depressing enough?

Honestly its the most self-destructive and self-defeating topic that seems to regularly come up here...

Modifié par The Lightspeaker, 23 avril 2012 - 12:09 .

[lillitheris]

Sunnie22 wrote...
Furthermore, nowhere in the lore or stories has childbearing not been mutually inclusive of the Matron stage.

You lost me on this one, care to disentangle the statement?

Anyway, if you're referring to a certain piece of information, you should link to it or otherwise try to make a specific reference.

My recollection is that

1. Asari stages can be entered (triggered?) at any time, and are not tied to age but the person's own  mental state and preparedness.
2. The stages are descriptive, not prescriptive. That is, they don't force a certain behaviour model, but most – not all – tend to display similar characteristics.
3. Children are not confirmed to be biologically bound to any particular stage. (Since melding is a conscious thing, there's no need for birth control and accidental pregnancies aren't an issue.)

If these are incorrect, I'd love to see where they're shown to be so.

Modifié par lillitheris, 23 avril 2012 - 12:06 .

[The Lightspeaker]

lillitheris wrote...

My recollection is that

1. Asari stages can be entered (triggered?) at any time, and are not tied to age but the person's own  mental state and preparedness.
2. The stages are descriptive, not prescriptive. That is, they don't force a certain behaviour model, but most – not all – tend to display similar characteristics.
3. Children are not confirmed to be biologically bound to any particular stage. (Since melding is a conscious thing, there's no need for birth control and accidental pregnancies aren't an issue.)

If these are incorrect, I'd love to see where they're shown to be so.

That's pretty much how I've always read into them myself. Some people disagree; though I never quite get who is supposed to benefit from the arguments over it. It's like the ending all over again...

Modifié par The Lightspeaker, 23 avril 2012 - 12:23 .

[TheMarshal]

The Lightspeaker wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

My recollection is that

1. Asari stages can be entered (triggered?) at any time, and are not tied to age but the person's own  mental state and preparedness.
2. The stages are descriptive, not prescriptive. That is, they don't force a certain behaviour model, but most – not all – tend to display similar characteristics.
3. Children are not confirmed to be biologically bound to any particular stage. (Since melding is a conscious thing, there's no need for birth control and accidental pregnancies aren't an issue.)

If these are incorrect, I'd love to see where they're shown to be so.

That's pretty much how I've always read into them myself. Some people disagree; though I never quite get who is supposed to benefit from the arguments over it.

I don't know, either.  I think one of the difficulties in trying to argue the finer points of asari reproduction is that it doesn't actually exist.  Kind of hard to bring up "facts" in a completely made-up world.

edit: Oh for the love of...  What's with my crappy totp's recently?


ME2: metamorphosis
~onibox

Modifié par TheMarshal, 23 avril 2012 - 12:24 .

[Akernis]

Sorry for opening that particular can of worms
But we already discussed this 120+ pages back and at least twice before that. Sunnie believes one thing and we another so can't we just agree to disagree and call it a day?