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[Tyranniac]

So there's a lot of Liara hostility outside this thread, is there?

I'll... just stay here, where it's safe. Yes. That seems like the best cause of action.

[Peregrin25]

The main reason I love Liara so much. There is something so raw about the character something so innocent yet so primal. All those combined make her my favorite choice for a love interest with my Shepard. I can't come to terms with romancing someone else when I play through all 3 games. Liara has grown on me a lot. On top of that she has a nerdy side and a badassery side that just makes it her awesome.

On top of that she has a lot of emotion than most other characters in game save maybe Tali is a close second.

But yeah. people can bash and hate on Liara all they want. They just be jealous!

[Dude on Fire]

@Aristobulus500

About the whole thing we discussed before, and the stuff you posted about haters:

I believe the most significant reason to why I'm so easily provoked and enraged has to do with how I've been living my life for the last couple of years. I've been around people who literally constantly looked down on me and ridiculed my world view, for no good reason at all. And I never really reacted, which must have built up something inside me that hasn't really been erupted untill recently.

I'm not gonna go into much further detail, but basically I went ballistic on Facebook and spoke my pure mind about the people I've learned to genuinely detest, to hate. And for good reason, I believe. First of all I can say that they all deserved it, but also it got me to realize that I can really be whoever the frigg I want despite how I'm labeled by our systems. This lead to me actually being able to fully take in the depth of Mass Effect (I got into it pretty late - about 2 months before ME3's release) as a story and as a work of absolute beauty, which in addition lead to me being legitimately depressed for some time after completing the last installment.

So, what I'm partly trying to say is that there are different ways of dealing with pigs. Either you ignore them (but this will only last for a limited period of time), or you let them know that you won't be treated like that. Even though those complete idiots really couldn't have leared much from my eruption it felt so incredily right to let them know that you don't f*ck with me for such inexistent reasons. Not caring is still a good thing to do though - I do it daily. You can't combust everytime someone says anything remotely close to being a provocation against your choices and beliefs, but you must always be ready to defend your personal integrity if it is necessary.

So yeah, here I am. On the Liara T'Soni thread on BSN, trying to find an emotional consensus with people of similar romantic interest. Sometimes you deserve to let yourself be a little naive and tell yourself the world is actually a good place... but it'll never truly be untill the day you find an individual who you can consider spending the rest of your brief existence with. There will be relatively good times casually, which is why you need to just let go sometimes and enjoy the ride. That's also a reason why I'm here, I guess. Please don't go worrying though (have had a few people going all over the place with speculations of suicidal behavior and etc), I'm not done yet. I'm quite happy with what I've got so far.

I find this conversation to be... adequate. Always nice to be able to talk about stuff like this. Thanks.

[yesikareyes]

Yuqi wrote...

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Freckle Overload..



THIS ONE! IS EPIC
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Looks at todays  popular thread titles...

I dont recall romancing Liara in-game.

Whats so great about Liara.

Liara forcing herself on Shepard.

..Seriously? Shouldent the hate be directed at the lack of respect for Miranda, as a character, or something..Oh wait that would require brains..

It's one thing to have different LI preferences but it's seriously way over the line when they create hate threads. Why don't they just chime in the appreciation threads of their LI choice or create another one?

Seriously, this annoys me.

Someone on twitter called Liara a blue cerberus cheerleader... that's right! I went apesh*t. First, Liara is not part of Cerberus and secondly, for insulting Miranda as well! (Yes, she had follow up Miranda hate posts)

[Yuqi]

yesikareyes wrote...

It's one thing to have different LI preferences but it's seriously way over the line when they create hate threads. Why don't they just chime in the appreciation threads of their LI choice or create another one?

Seriously, this annoys me.

Someone on twitter called Liara a blue cerberus cheerleader... that's right! I went apesh*t. First, Liara is not part of Cerberus and secondly, for insulting Miranda as well! (Yes, she had follow up Miranda hate posts)

Was the twitter poster from AU?If not, then she has nothing to complain about..

Modifié par Yuqi, 23 avril 2012 - 01:50 .

[yesikareyes]

Yuqi wrote...


Was the twitter poster from AU?If not, then she has nothing to complain about..

AU?

[Yuqi]

yesikareyes wrote...

Yuqi wrote...


Was the twitter poster from AU?If not, then she has nothing to complain about..

AU?

Australia.

[yesikareyes]

Yuqi wrote...


Australia.

She isn't from Australia.

Also, I was being vague, that was just one of the things she said. I didn't want to answer her tweets anymore especially when she said "Intelligent people agree with me." What does LI preference have to do with intelligence?

[rubynorman]

@Dude on fire: You make me lose my temper again. All those haters what's wrong with them. Cool down cool down. Some of them call Liara a b**** and then he said we shouldn't come to those hater's thread because we will make people hate her more. Blad blad blad

[Yuqi]

yesikareyes wrote...

Yuqi wrote...


Australia.

She isn't from Australia.

Also, I was being vague, that was just one of the things she said. I didn't want to answer her tweets anymore especially when she said "Intelligent people agree with me." What does LI preference have to do with intelligence?

Because the commen populace go for the same types over, and over, and over, again. Work delibratly targets people who fit a demographic, that go for a type of  thing.

And if she's not from Australia her reasons for disliking Miranda are moot, in comparision to what my freinds and I endure on a regular basis.

Modifié par Yuqi, 23 avril 2012 - 02:18 .

[CDHarrisUSF]

yesikareyes wrote...

Someone on twitter called Liara a blue cerberus cheerleader... that's right! I went apesh*t. First, Liara is not part of Cerberus ...

... not only is she not part of Cerberus, but it's made pretty clear that she strongly dislikes them and only cooperated out of necessity. She seems like she comes close to crying when she tells Shepard how they acquired his/her body in ME2. If she were a Cerberus cheerleader, she wouldn't have been afraid Shepard would hate her for giving his/her body to Cerberus. If that didn't make her position clear enough, Cerberus attacking the Shadow Broker's ship and Liara ramming it into a Cerberus cruiser while escaping on a shuttle should be a red flag. Who would be dumb enough to think she's on their side?

Modifié par CDHarrisUSF, 23 avril 2012 - 02:12 .

[polor89]

rubynorman wrote...

@Dude on fire: You make me lose my temper again. All those haters what's wrong with them. Cool down cool down. Some of them call Liara a b**** and then he said we shouldn't come to those hater's thread because we will make people hate her more. Blad blad blad

Dont bother much with the haters i have speak to many of them there is no way you could change their mind(most of their reasons to hate are stupid anyway)
Liara is important to ME universe and in Shepards story even if they dont like it
To all the haters- BACK UP !!

[yesikareyes]

@CDHarrisUSF

Clearly, someone who skips through dialogue.

@yuqi

I'm curious on what Australians think about Miranda but this isn't the place to discuss that. Im surprised I haven't seen you in the Miranda thread.

[Dude on Fire]

You completely missed my point.

[Erenbe]

CDHarrisUSF wrote...

yesikareyes wrote...

Someone on twitter called Liara a blue cerberus cheerleader... that's right! I went apesh*t. First, Liara is not part of Cerberus ...

... not only is she not part of Cerberus, but it's made pretty clear that she strongly dislikes them and only cooperated out of necessity. She seems like she comes close to crying when she tells Shepard how they acquired his/her body in ME2. If she were a Cerberus cheerleader, she wouldn't have been afraid Shepard would hate her for giving his/her body to Cerberus. If that didn't make her position clear enough, Cerberus attacking the Shadow Broker's ship and Liara ramming it into a Cerberus cruiser while escaping on a shuttle should be a red flag. Who would be dumb enough to think she's on their side?

Oh but don't you see? That was her plan all along. Siding with Cerberus in ME2 was just the start. Bring Shep back, let Shep do all the footwork. Deal with this fake attack on Hagalaz and pretend to be chased by Cerberus because come on....it has to be fake! In the end, she was hoping that Shep would not defeat the reapers so that she can meld with them and become suuuuper powerful. Then she would continue to rule the galaxy with TIM.

This has as many plotholes as the actual ending of ME3 but who cares. 

Edit: Ah silly me...it has to be "mind-rape the reapers" because she doesn't just simply meld...nooo! That would be too easy!

Modifié par Erenbe, 23 avril 2012 - 02:33 .

[Yuqi]

yesikareyes wrote...

@CDHarrisUSF

Clearly, someone who skips through dialogue.

@yuqi

I'm curious on what Australians think about Miranda but this isn't the place to discuss that. Im surprised I haven't seen you in the Miranda thread.

Because that thread makes me sick to my stomach.Yeah don't get me started on the Miranda issue..ALl thse people go on, and on, about Liara. But if they start bringing up how 'miranda is better' then I get catty..

[Fiannawolf]

www.youtube.com/watch

Heres a good Music vid for everyone

FIts the relationship well.

[Akernis]

Erenbe wrote...
Oh but don't you see? That was her plan all along. Siding with Cerberus in ME2 was just the start. Bring Shep back, let Shep do all the footwork. Deal with this fake attack on Hagalaz and pretend to be chased by Cerberus because come on....it has to be fake! In the end, she was hoping that Shep would not defeat the reapers so that she can meld with them and become suuuuper powerful. Then she would continue to rule the galaxy with TIM.

This has as many plotholes as the actual ending of ME3 but who cares. 

Edit: Ah silly me...it has to be "mind-rape the reapers" because she doesn't just simply meld...nooo! That would be too easy!

I don't know whether to laugh or cry .

@ruby: It will likely take a good deal of time before I get to that scene as I don't do the chapters in chronological order and I only in the progress of writing the first one.

Modifié par Akernis, 23 avril 2012 - 03:00 .

[kumquats]

Aristobulus500 wrote...
But as a Star Trek fan, you can definitely see all the inspirations ME took from it, right?

Also, as you say, one thing ME does that Star Trek never really could, was a serious romance with an alien. That's just such a unique concept that it was a reason I got into ME, I wanted to see how that'd play out. I think if Star Trek had better tech they might've attempted many of the things ME does, even that, but they didn't. And since Star Trek, most media just use aliens as reskinned monsters and are cannon fodder for heroic human characters to shoot at.

What's the most amazing thing about Liara and Shepard's romance?

Rescuing Shepard corpses? Well Riker doesn't exactly start Project Lazarus for Deanna Troi, but he alters the timeline, so that the assassination fails. Liara lives without Shepard for 2 years, Riker 40 years without Deanna.

What about the great mental connection? Shepard and Liara have great sex, no doubt about that. But how the Union is life altering experience, is never mentioned again in any game. I Roleplay with that, but I feel like the Union thing is completely forgotten after ME1.
In ST, they wrote a whole book about Imzadi.
Imzadi is more then a term of endearment, it actually describes a special bond, with the first person a Betazoid sleeps with. The book says: "Other women had your body, but I touched your soul." Troi and Riker can hear each others thoughts.

I understand that BW wants to give the player options in ME2, LotSB and ME3. But there was time to write crappy Renegade dialogues for the Liara romance, but they couldn't talk about the Union at all? Wasted potential in my opinion.

Betazoids are a very open race, just like the asari.
In the Dominion War, Betazed falls, because they are a species, who value art and culture more then anything else.

Did ST inspire Mass Effect? Oh my god yes.
Coincidence, that Marina Sirtis portrayes Benezia? Not in my opinion.

The deeper connection you feel with Shepard and Liara, maybe because games are interactive. Commander Shepard is your creation, but saying that Riker/Troi is not a serious relationship.....I can't agree with that, at all.
Especially, since there are so many parallels between the couples.

The thing that makes me angry about Mass Effect is, that they have such a huge potential and I feel like they don't use it at all.

Modifié par kumquats, 23 avril 2012 - 03:24 .

[rubynorman]

If this was my country pkm forum, I would ban some of them for bad words and insulting people

Ok for Liara's gift I would get her a ring so she could remember me when I'm not with her and showing off "she was taken, back off all guys"

Fiannawolf wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

Heres a good Music vid for everyone

FIts the relationship well.

Thank you but I already download it to my mobiphone and listen to it all the times

Modifié par rubynorman, 23 avril 2012 - 03:35 .

[IliyaMoroumetz]

To bring the subject to a better place, check out this webcomic.

http://threepanelsoul.com/

It has a panel with Garrus holding just the most adorable baby asari! Blue babies, people! They make everything better.

Modifié par IliyaMoroumetz, 23 avril 2012 - 03:36 .

[Aristobulus500]

Dude on Fire wrote...
I find this conversation to be... adequate. Always nice to be able to talk about stuff like this. Thanks.

Sure, I don't mind helping when I can. Don't really know what to say from here, you seem to be getting things figured out...but, while you might've had reason to lash out at those people before, doesn't mean you need to do it to everyone. Best to figure out if someone actually intends you ill will before you get hostile, otherwise you just drive people away.

kumquats wrote...
What's the most amazing thing about Liara and Shepard's romance?

Rescuing
Shepard corpses? Well Riker doesn't exactly start Project Lazarus for
Deanna Troi, but he alters the timeline, so that the assassination
fails. Liara lives without Shepard for 2 years, Riker 40 years without
Deanna.

What about the great mental connection? Shepard and Liara
have great sex, no doubt about that. But how the Union is life altering
experience, is never mentioned again in any game. I Roleplay with that,
but I feel like the Union thing is completely forgotten after ME1.
In ST, they wrote a whole book about Imzadi.
Imzadi
is more then a term of endearment, it actually describes a special
bond, with the first person a Betazoid sleeps with. The book says:
"Other women had your body, but I touched your soul." Troi and Riker can
hear each others thoughts.

I understand that BW wants to give
the player options in ME2, LotSB and ME3. But there was time to write
crappy Renegade dialogues for the Liara romance, but they couldn't talk
about the Union at all? Wasted potential in my opinion.

Betazoids are a very open race, just like the asari.
In the Dominion War, Betazed falls, because they are a species, who value art and culture more then anything else.

Did ST inspire Mass Effect? Oh my god yes.
Coincidence, that Marina Sirtis portrayes Benezia? Not in my opinion.

The
deeper connection you feel with Shepard and Liara, maybe because games
are interactive. Commander Shepard is your creation, but saying that
Riker/Troi is not a serious relationship.....I can't agree with that, at
all.
Especially, since there are so many parallels between the couples.

The
thing that makes me angry about Mass Effect is, that they have such a
huge potential and I feel like they don't use it at all.[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/sad.png[/smilie]

Okay, you make some good points. I'll say that Mass Effect - at times it does things will, at times it doesn't. I mean, for example, LotSB was amazing and definitely used a Liara/Shep romance to good potential. There are good scenes in ME3 as well, that show how close they are - to note, I really liked almost all of her romance scenes. I mean, think about - the reuniting on Mars, the first conversation on the Normandy, the "flatterer" scene, the scene after Thessia, the final romance/sex scene, and the conversation in London. Oh, and how Liara shoots down the idea that Shep is just an AI, in the Cerberus base.

But, as far as Star Trek...I mean, okay yeah Riker and Troy's relationship is well done, but this might be a bit subjective but...Troy doesn't really feel alien. Certainly not like Liara does. Again, this is very likely just due to the tech they had at the time when they made the show (almost all of the aliens are extremely human-like), but still. She comes across more as a human with special powers than she does a full fledged alien, to me.

I definitely think her and her race is a large foundation for the Asari and Liara, though. I think Liara is a much stronger character than Troi is, though, because she comes across as more independent and less awkward, especially into ME2/3.

But you *are* right that there is more they could've done with the Liara/Shep romance, especially with certain scenes in ME3, but I don't think they did a bad job at all. I think there is a ton of chemistry between Shep/Liara.

CDHarrisUSF wrote...

yesikareyes wrote...

Someone
on twitter called Liara a blue cerberus cheerleader... that's right! I
went apesh*t. First, Liara is not part of Cerberus ...

...
not only is she not part of Cerberus, but it's made pretty clear that
she strongly dislikes them and only cooperated out of necessity. She
seems like she comes close to crying when she tells Shepard how they acquired his/her body in ME2.
If she were a Cerberus cheerleader, she wouldn't have been afraid
Shepard would hate her for giving his/her body to Cerberus. If that
didn't make her position clear enough, Cerberus attacking the Shadow
Broker's ship and Liara ramming it into a Cerberus cruiser while escaping on a shuttle should be a red flag. Who would be dumb enough to think she's on their side?

This goes back to what I said earlier. They do not care about the facts, they are railing against a made up character in their minds they have attached the name Liara to.

As well, do you really think any of them talked to Liara enough to find out how much recovering Shepard's body and turning it over to Cerberus absolutely crushed her? I promise you most of them didn't - they hit that "I should go" option as soon as they could and then didn't do her mission as well. Would not be surprised if a lot of them also didn't even do LotSB, or if they did, they again skipped through as much of Liara's dialogue as possible.

This is what I mean, they actually do these things. Because they are determined to dislike her. They want to dislike her. They aren't even listening anymore - to her, to us, to anyone. They've made up their minds. And you can't even tell them "dude the game directly contradicts your reasons for disliking her and that's not true because of this scene..." because they just are not interested in hearing it.They are not going to go back and actually watch the scene and hear all the dialogue with an open mind, so to them Liara never says all that. They really are just tearing away the vast majority of her character because they close out most of her dialogue.

[kumquats]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

But, as far as Star Trek...I mean, okay yeah Riker and Troy's relationship is well done, but this might be a bit subjective but...Troy doesn't really feel alien. Certainly not like Liara does. Again, this is very likely just due to the tech they had at the time when they made the show (almost all of the aliens are extremely human-like), but still. She comes across more as a human with special powers than she does a full fledged alien, to me.

I definitely think her and her race is a large foundation for the Asari and Liara, though. I think Liara is a much stronger character than Troi is, though, because she comes across as more independent and less awkward, especially into ME2/3.

But you *are* right that there is more they could've done with the Liara/Shep romance, especially with certain scenes in ME3, but I don't think they did a bad job at all. I think there is a ton of chemistry between Shep/Liara.

Of course there is chemistry. You create one half of that couple. If you didn't feel like Liara was a good choice for your Shepard, you wouldn't be here now.
Every Shepard is different, that's a huge advantage. You can create the chemistry.

The thing you say about Troi, is the exact same thing, I felt about Liara in ME1. Liara doesn't feel alien at all. Why do you think people see Liara as a stalker? Because Liara gets judged by human standards and they completly dismiss the fact, that asari are a very open race.
When Liara says in the romance scene: She respects your privacy, unlike me....
Asari share their space on starships, would it be so strange to assume that they really don't understand the concept of personal space and privacy?
We can speculate about that, because BW doesn't give any answers.

People never use human standards on Wrex, because he doesn't look like a blue human. Only ME3, Liara becomes more alien .
I feel like BW left me alone and I have to figure out everything on my own. Or I'm just overthinking.

(Of course ST is full of humanoid species. The actors are humans after all. )^^

[rubynorman]

We need something to talk about, guys. I'm tired of these topics about hater.
EDIT: my first top. No, I wasn't ready for this what should I do

EDIT 2: got it

Modifié par rubynorman, 23 avril 2012 - 04:40 .

[Wulfram]