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[VarrenSoldier]

You sabotaged the cure?
I never have the heart to shoot Mordin, Wrex or the VS.

[Yuqi]

VarrenSoldier wrote...

You sabotaged the cure?
I never have the heart to shoot Mordin, Wrex or the VS.

Yes, and I felt awful. Didn't care about killing Kaidan though. 

Modifié par Yuqi, 24 avril 2012 - 12:43 .

[TMA LIVE]

I don't think I'll every play renegade again in the ME series. I got burned when my experience and my Renegon felt too similar to my Paragade game in ME3, except not as good.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 24 avril 2012 - 12:53 .

[Aristobulus500]

It boggles my mind when people tell me they think Liara is a sexist character and that the relationship between her and Shep is completely unequal and is just Shep taking advantage of her.

Really is the case that some people just never let their first impressions go. And then look for reasons they were right.

[sillymonkboy]

Tyranniac wrote...

The Lightspeaker wrote...

I think Liara bothers people because regardless of what you do she is in love with Shepard. You don't have to return that love, but she cares about Shepard regardless. People don't feel comfortable about that, even though it's a very "real" thing to happen.

Regardless they can all just bugger off.

I really like that they decided to do this, it is indeed a very real thing and an interesting thing to include.

If this is the case, then it is quite ironic.  Virtually everyone has had (or will have) at least one person for whom they hold a level of unrequited affection/love.  Perhaps it is the very fact that we rarely realize when someone holds a torch for us is why so many do not realize the universality of this.

[speedy111280]

The Lightspeaker wrote...

I think I look at the rest of the forum like...once a week now. That wasn't originally because of the Liara thing, more because of the pro-ending people being tiresome with the "YOU JUST DON'T GET IT!" angle. But either way, just another reason not to bother with elsewhere.


I think Liara bothers people because regardless of what you do she is in love with Shepard. You don't have to return that love, but she cares about Shepard regardless. People don't feel comfortable about that, even though it's a very "real" thing to happen.

Regardless they can all just bugger off.

This is pretty much the only thread I can handle for any extended period of time around here, because I love Bioware and ME (despite the endings) but the forums for Bioware games have always been full of hatred in my experience and that goes for all the games. I've been coming around since KOTOR and I can generally only stick around for a few weeks before it gets to be too much and I have to find alternate means of discussing the game. It seriously seems like Bioware has some of the most hateful and judgemental fans at times.

I think it's blatanly obvious that Liara is in love with Shepard regardless of if Shepard returns those feelings which I think is a big factor in why so many "hate" Liara. Personally, I think it's a great part of her storyline and a wonderful motivation for Liara to go to the lengths she does to get Shepard's body back in Redemption.

[Aristobulus500]

It makes Liara's character more consistent that she falls in love with Shepard even if he doesn't return it, I think. Rather than "press button to make character x love you, no one else does".

Despite that I say that, I think her character would be even stronger if she couldn't fall for Renegade Sheps. Kindof like how Alpha Protocol and Dragon Age did things, I liked that your morality had an impact on how characters thought of you, in those games.

Could've done the same things in ME.

[Spartx9]

Yuqi wrote...


I do warn you the dream sequences are much more potent, as a renegade. You hear the voices of every killable squadmate in the sequences..

 (watch at your own risk, all of the voices of the killable crew members which is really depressing)

One thing I'm kinda glad that you don't hear liara at all. Would make that dream sequence even more depressing 

Also need to read up on a few fan fics that were posted this weekend.

[d32f123]

browse.deviantart.com/ 
Part 4 of the Awakening 

[Aristobulus500]

Spartx9 wrote...
 (watch at your own risk, all of the voices of the killable crew members which is really depressing)

One thing I'm kinda glad that you don't hear liara at all. Would make that dream sequence even more depressing 

Also need to read up on a few fan fics that were posted this weekend.

On the other hand, the dream sequences were one of the worst parts of the game and really failed to be meaningful at all. They were just a slog to get through so you could see the rest of the game, and they weren't emotional or moving at all, because you had no connection to the kid and he meant nothing to you.

It's not a coincidence that most people report the only part of the dreams that actually did disturb them was the voices of the crewmembers they had come to know and love, whispering to them.

To that end, I definitely say that Liara should've been included. First of all, the thing you must keep in mind is that this is a nightmare - it's supposed to be disturbing, not just to Shepard, but to the player as well. the player needs to be just as horrified and just as shocked as Shepard is, and just as glad to wake up from it, not because he's ****ing bored by the monotone but because it was really ****ing unpleasant and disturbing.

So, now that I've set the tone, let me describe how the dreams could've been done well - at least, I think so. First of all, scrap the useless ****ing kid. Keep the whispers of the dead. Change the location from a forest you don't recognize - have it be places familiar to the player - the Citadel, Illium, etc. Except as you wander around it, it's distorted in strange ways - it appears off. Discolored, or just warped, or parts of it lead to where it shouldn't.

If you want to keep Shepard chasing after a figure - change it up as the dreams progress. The first dream, he's chasing the shadow of the one killed on Vermire, before seeing them exploded by a bomb in front of his face.

The second, it's Mordin. If Shepard let Mordin cure the Genophage, Mordin just burns up in front of him like how the kid usually does in the original game. If Shepard killed Mordin, however, then Mordin is riddled with bullets and is just hurling accusations at Shep and asking him "why?" before he burns up. If Mordin didn't make it to ME3, I guess you can replace it with Padok Wiks.

The third and final nightmare? Go all out. This should be the most disturbing. It needs to focus around the LI though. Here's the thing, in the original game, the final nightmare has all the same flaws the other dreams do, except it's even worse because it's just out of place and inappropriate - Shepard goes from an emotional romance/sex scene with his lover, to that nightmare, then back to reality with his LI. The LI has nothing to do with them though, it just doesn't fit.

To stay with the theme, it should. Not to mention Shep's LI is going to be one of the characters most significant to Shep and the most powerful nightmare should regard them. So, in this dream, Shep is...say, the Citadel. Maybe the council chambers, or just some twisting halls of the wards. Doesn't really matter - but throughout this dream, he should be chasing after his LI. I'm gonna ruin with Liara for the sake of it, but the concept applies to whoever the LI is. So, he sees Liara, and runs toward her, but as he gets closer, Reaper forces appear and push her away.

Shepard follows them, and you hear the sounds of Liara fighting with them. At first it sounds like she's holding her own, but then things start to get worse and it sounds like she's being overwhelmed. Shepard catches up just in time to see her get taken down - but not killed - and a Banshee is picking up her battered - but still conscious and awake - body. Shepard gets blocked by a few cannibals or marauders or husks - basic Reaper forces, as the Banshee carries Liara off.

While you fight off these few forces, you hear Liara weakly protesting, perhaps apologizing to Shepard, or telling him to leave while he still can. After you defeat the the troops, Shepard catches up to the Banshee just in time to see it impale Liara, and toss her aside. Shepard has to fight the banshee, and because it's a dream, it's set to die easily so it's not a hard fight or something. Shep runs over to Liara, and she's still barely alive...but she's losing a ton of blood from various wounds, especially the wound from the Banshee, and worst of all, she's turning into a banshee. Her eyes are black, she looks up at Shepard, and pleads with him to end it before she fully transforms and turns against him.

Then Shepard wakes up, and looks over at Liara sleeping beside him - perfectly fine. Now, isn't that more fitting, more powerful, more moving, than the garbage we got? I think this would do a much better job of showing off the horrors of the war Shep is involved in, too, and the worst case scenarios the war could bring about, on Shepard and the people he cares about, personally. I think this would actually be a scene disturbing and moving to the player, too, not just Shepard.

In fact that's exactly why I suggest it. I, personally, would not in the slightest enjoy going through it. I would hate it, it would be painful. But that's the point. It's a nightmare. If I'm not disturbed, it's not doing its' job right.

Aside from actually being a nightmare, this also has the benefit of being coherent and consistent with the rest of the scenes - all 3 scenes would be centered around his LI, instead of going from LI -> No LI -> LI.

[4stringwizard]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Spartx9 wrote...
 (watch at your own risk, all of the voices of the killable crew members which is really depressing)

One thing I'm kinda glad that you don't hear liara at all. Would make that dream sequence even more depressing 

Also need to read up on a few fan fics that were posted this weekend.

On the other hand, the dream sequences were one of the worst parts of the game and really failed to be meaningful at all. They were just a slog to get through so you could see the rest of the game, and they weren't emotional or moving at all, because you had no connection to the kid and he meant nothing to you.

It's not a coincidence that most people report the only part of the dreams that actually did disturb them was the voices of the crewmembers they had come to know and love, whispering to them.

To that end, I definitely say that Liara should've been included. First of all, the thing you must keep in mind is that this is a nightmare - it's supposed to be disturbing, not just to Shepard, but to the player as well. the player needs to be just as horrified and just as shocked as Shepard is, and just as glad to wake up from it, not because he's ****ing bored by the monotone but because it was really ****ing unpleasant and disturbing.

So, now that I've set the tone, let me describe how the dreams could've been done well - at least, I think so. First of all, scrap the useless ****ing kid. Keep the whispers of the dead. Change the location from a forest you don't recognize - have it be places familiar to the player - the Citadel, Illium, etc. Except as you wander around it, it's distorted in strange ways - it appears off. Discolored, or just warped, or parts of it lead to where it shouldn't.

If you want to keep Shepard chasing after a figure - change it up as the dreams progress. The first dream, he's chasing the shadow of the one killed on Vermire, before seeing them exploded by a bomb in front of his face.

The second, it's Mordin. If Shepard let Mordin cure the Genophage, Mordin just burns up in front of him like how the kid usually does in the original game. If Shepard killed Mordin, however, then Mordin is riddled with bullets and is just hurling accusations at Shep and asking him "why?" before he burns up. If Mordin didn't make it to ME3, I guess you can replace it with Padok Wiks.

The third and final nightmare? Go all out. This should be the most disturbing. It needs to focus around the LI though. Here's the thing, in the original game, the final nightmare has all the same flaws the other dreams do, except it's even worse because it's just out of place and inappropriate - Shepard goes from an emotional romance/sex scene with his lover, to that nightmare, then back to reality with his LI. The LI has nothing to do with them though, it just doesn't fit.

To stay with the theme, it should. Not to mention Shep's LI is going to be one of the characters most significant to Shep and the most powerful nightmare should regard them. So, in this dream, Shep is...say, the Citadel. Maybe the council chambers, or just some twisting halls of the wards. Doesn't really matter - but throughout this dream, he should be chasing after his LI. I'm gonna ruin with Liara for the sake of it, but the concept applies to whoever the LI is. So, he sees Liara, and runs toward her, but as he gets closer, Reaper forces appear and push her away.

Shepard follows them, and you hear the sounds of Liara fighting with them. At first it sounds like she's holding her own, but then things start to get worse and it sounds like she's being overwhelmed. Shepard catches up just in time to see her get taken down - but not killed - and a Banshee is picking up her battered - but still conscious and awake - body. Shepard gets blocked by a few cannibals or marauders or husks - basic Reaper forces, as the Banshee carries Liara off.

While you fight off these few forces, you hear Liara weakly protesting, perhaps apologizing to Shepard, or telling him to leave while he still can. After you defeat the the troops, Shepard catches up to the Banshee just in time to see it impale Liara, and toss her aside. Shepard has to fight the banshee, and because it's a dream, it's set to die easily so it's not a hard fight or something. Shep runs over to Liara, and she's still barely alive...but she's losing a ton of blood from various wounds, especially the wound from the Banshee, and worst of all, she's turning into a banshee. Her eyes are black, she looks up at Shepard, and pleads with him to end it before she fully transforms and turns against him.

Then Shepard wakes up, and looks over at Liara sleeping beside him - perfectly fine. Now, isn't that more fitting, more powerful, more moving, than the garbage we got? I think this would do a much better job of showing off the horrors of the war Shep is involved in, too, and the worst case scenarios the war could bring about, on Shepard and the people he cares about, personally. I think this would actually be a scene disturbing and moving to the player, too, not just Shepard.

In fact that's exactly why I suggest it. I, personally, would not in the slightest enjoy going through it. I would hate it, it would be painful. But that's the point. It's a nightmare. If I'm not disturbed, it's not doing its' job right.

Aside from actually being a nightmare, this also has the benefit of being coherent and consistent with the rest of the scenes - all 3 scenes would be centered around his LI, instead of going from LI -> No LI -> LI.

I'm not a Liaramancer, but I stumbled across this and just wanted to say that this is an excellent idea and 1,000x better than what we got in the game.  Pity you weren't the one writing the dream sequences instead.  

[Rolling Flame]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

I have to agree with replacing the kid and the forest, with people we knew and locations we were familliar with. It would certainly have a lot more impact, emotionally.

While your last dream sequence would certainly hit home hard, I'm not sure it would be great to place it after the romance scene as I feel it would sour it. 

[Spartx9]

Aristobulus500 wrote...
*snip*

Well damn, you just made the dream sequences even more depressing, but a lot more powerful and meaningful to the player. I would have loved to seen that implemented in.

[rubynorman]

d32f123 wrote...

browse.deviantart.com/ 
Part 4 of the Awakening 

"Come on, I need you. Wake up sleepy head!"
D'awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww *fav*

quilate.deviantart.com/art/LIA2-FemShepXLiaraT-soni-My-letter-to-Bioware-298008596

I'm commander Shepard and this is my favorite letter.

[moreeman06]

Akernis wrote...

moreeman06 wrote...

Akernis wrote...

@ruby: It will likely take a good deal of time before I get to that scene as I don't do the chapters in chronological order and I only in the progress of writing the first one.

wait your writing something.... how did i miss that

Because I have not mentioned it before . I am working on a story bout how I would like the ending, and hopefully more afterwards. Liara is not the focus but as my favourite and LI she does get a deal screentime, particularly later.
I am between a third and halfway through the first chapter.

That would be a good reason why  i haven't heard about it then.   As for the Liara haters let them hate they don't know what they're missing.  and i agree with you guys on Councilor Tevos she seemed the most asari out of any that were given screentime.  Benezia was shoved into bad guy territory, Liara is Liara:wub:,  and Aethyta.... well she is half krogan and it shows big time.   Plus she was the only councilor that i didn't want to kill every time she showed up on screen.

and finally since there is more people on this thread I'll throw another shameless plug in,  Its a bit of a rush job right now but i had a deadline for a contest to make so i can't fix anything till the end of the week.  as always critiques and comments are welcome, and thanks to Luxure/Yesikares/Logan Cloud, for taking peaks at it in its various stages of completions.  link

[DarkCloudd]

Since some people have posted their why I started romancing Liara in here, I guess I will post mine too. Gonna go into a little backstory too about how I got started on the ME series. Hopefully this won't be too much of a "Holy Wall of Text Batman!!!"

I work overnights at a gas station and became friends with a number of regulars. One of the guys in particular got started talking about gaming one night and asked what gamed I played. After a short conversation he said I should pick up Mass Effect 2 because he thought I would enjoy it. I decided what the hell, I don't mind shooter games and I have had good experience with Bioware so I'm gonna give it a try.

Bought and started playing ME2 I believe it was pre Overlord but I play on the PC so I got the Cerberus Network extras which was nice. Since I didn't know enought about the series I played the default Sheploo Soldier and romanced Miranda, which of course led me to the infamous "Oh I'm interested, *insert Rape Face*" line.  Was my reaction to that particular circumstance but I managed to push through and complete the game, only lost legion on that playthrough, but quickly decided to delete the save after I was done so I could get the bad taste out of my mouth from that dialog.

I quickly realised that starting in the middle of the series wasn't a very good idea because there was alot of dialog that took place that I didn't know the full meaning of. I had questions of "Why are the geth so feared" "Who is this Soverign thing they keep talking about" "Who is the Saren they keep talking about also". Needless to say I was confused. I started to browse BSN here to get more info and it helped somewhat but there were still unanswered questions.

So after much begging my wife allowed me to find and purchase ME1 online for the PC so I could get the entire story. While I was waiting I stumbled across some "Fox News hates Liara" stuff and was even more confused about the entire thing. After ME1 arrived I decided to play a Femshep in ME1 (that Miranda Romnace dialog completely ruined BroShep for me) and romance Liara just to see what all the fuss was about and I was pleasently suprised.

Hale's and Hillis's voice acting were some of the best I had ever heard in a game before. After that first playthrough and the first few times I talked with Liara I was completely melted by her. She is such a nerd to begin with it was very endearing to me and I couldn't help but fall in love with her. And after seeing her full character arc across the 3 games I have to say, I believe she is one of the best written characters I have ever seen in a video game. The only downfall is now I can't not romance her with any other character that I make in ME1, I just can't, Liara has poisoned me with sweetness from all of the other potential LI in the game.

Sorry for the wall of text and if you can't tell I'm not a writer so if its terrible my apologies.


Plus how could you say no to this face.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Spartx9 wrote...
 (watch at your own risk, all of the voices of the killable crew members which is really depressing)

One thing I'm kinda glad that you don't hear liara at all. Would make that dream sequence even more depressing 

Also need to read up on a few fan fics that were posted this weekend.

On the other hand, the dream sequences were one of the worst parts of the game and really failed to be meaningful at all. They were just a slog to get through so you could see the rest of the game, and they weren't emotional or moving at all, because you had no connection to the kid and he meant nothing to you.

It's not a coincidence that most people report the only part of the dreams that actually did disturb them was the voices of the crewmembers they had come to know and love, whispering to them.

To that end, I definitely say that Liara should've been included. First of all, the thing you must keep in mind is that this is a nightmare - it's supposed to be disturbing, not just to Shepard, but to the player as well. the player needs to be just as horrified and just as shocked as Shepard is, and just as glad to wake up from it, not because he's ****ing bored by the monotone but because it was really ****ing unpleasant and disturbing.

So, now that I've set the tone, let me describe how the dreams could've been done well - at least, I think so. First of all, scrap the useless ****ing kid. Keep the whispers of the dead. Change the location from a forest you don't recognize - have it be places familiar to the player - the Citadel, Illium, etc. Except as you wander around it, it's distorted in strange ways - it appears off. Discolored, or just warped, or parts of it lead to where it shouldn't.

If you want to keep Shepard chasing after a figure - change it up as the dreams progress. The first dream, he's chasing the shadow of the one killed on Vermire, before seeing them exploded by a bomb in front of his face.

The second, it's Mordin. If Shepard let Mordin cure the Genophage, Mordin just burns up in front of him like how the kid usually does in the original game. If Shepard killed Mordin, however, then Mordin is riddled with bullets and is just hurling accusations at Shep and asking him "why?" before he burns up. If Mordin didn't make it to ME3, I guess you can replace it with Padok Wiks.

The third and final nightmare? Go all out. This should be the most disturbing. It needs to focus around the LI though. Here's the thing, in the original game, the final nightmare has all the same flaws the other dreams do, except it's even worse because it's just out of place and inappropriate - Shepard goes from an emotional romance/sex scene with his lover, to that nightmare, then back to reality with his LI. The LI has nothing to do with them though, it just doesn't fit.

To stay with the theme, it should. Not to mention Shep's LI is going to be one of the characters most significant to Shep and the most powerful nightmare should regard them. So, in this dream, Shep is...say, the Citadel. Maybe the council chambers, or just some twisting halls of the wards. Doesn't really matter - but throughout this dream, he should be chasing after his LI. I'm gonna ruin with Liara for the sake of it, but the concept applies to whoever the LI is. So, he sees Liara, and runs toward her, but as he gets closer, Reaper forces appear and push her away.

Shepard follows them, and you hear the sounds of Liara fighting with them. At first it sounds like she's holding her own, but then things start to get worse and it sounds like she's being overwhelmed. Shepard catches up just in time to see her get taken down - but not killed - and a Banshee is picking up her battered - but still conscious and awake - body. Shepard gets blocked by a few cannibals or marauders or husks - basic Reaper forces, as the Banshee carries Liara off.

While you fight off these few forces, you hear Liara weakly protesting, perhaps apologizing to Shepard, or telling him to leave while he still can. After you defeat the the troops, Shepard catches up to the Banshee just in time to see it impale Liara, and toss her aside. Shepard has to fight the banshee, and because it's a dream, it's set to die easily so it's not a hard fight or something. Shep runs over to Liara, and she's still barely alive...but she's losing a ton of blood from various wounds, especially the wound from the Banshee, and worst of all, she's turning into a banshee. Her eyes are black, she looks up at Shepard, and pleads with him to end it before she fully transforms and turns against him.

Then Shepard wakes up, and looks over at Liara sleeping beside him - perfectly fine. Now, isn't that more fitting, more powerful, more moving, than the garbage we got? I think this would do a much better job of showing off the horrors of the war Shep is involved in, too, and the worst case scenarios the war could bring about, on Shepard and the people he cares about, personally. I think this would actually be a scene disturbing and moving to the player, too, not just Shepard.

In fact that's exactly why I suggest it. I, personally, would not in the slightest enjoy going through it. I would hate it, it would be painful. But that's the point. It's a nightmare. If I'm not disturbed, it's not doing its' job right.

Aside from actually being a nightmare, this also has the benefit of being coherent and consistent with the rest of the scenes - all 3 scenes would be centered around his LI, instead of going from LI -> No LI -> LI.

+ 100   Really like this dream sequence than the one in the game. I always feel annoyed going through the thing. It's a chore than a joy.

P.S. On why I had femShep romanced Liara. The char was actually off-putting in ME 1. I felt she was kind of juvenile like in her dialogue; shy, awkward. Understandable when she mentioned she isolate herself from other people. Her confession of her feelings was sudden and jarring so I had femShep refused her and I must confessed I'm not keen in such a relationship.

Then came ME 2. What can I say? It's like she suddenly did an about-face / gew up / matured. I was taken aback and very impressed that she, the only one of the surviving Normandy crew, refused to give Shepard up to the dead. She searched until the body was found and took a chance, against odds that Shepard could be revived.

I was moved. Defintely, so I went back to ME 1, played another round and did a 180 turn and chose to romance her.  

Modifié par Obsidian Gryphon, 24 avril 2012 - 03:26 .

[Aristobulus500]

Rolling Flame wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

I have to agree with replacing the kid and the forest, with people we knew and locations we were familliar with. It would certainly have a lot more impact, emotionally.

While your last dream sequence would certainly hit home hard, I'm not sure it would be great to place it after the romance scene as I feel it would sour it. 

While you may be right, and I certainly feel the current dream sours the romance scene and I just want to delete it from the game, what I'm trying to do is show that the concept of nightmares can be done appropriately and actually have an impact on the player.

Moving it to a different spot is doing more than working with the basic concept they gave us, I feel. Walters/Hudson decided to place a dream sequence there, and only have 3 dream sequences, so that's what I went with. I wanted to see how powerful and effective of a scene I could make, working with what they laid down.

[rubynorman]

DarkCloudd wrote...
Miranda, which of course led me to the infamous "Oh I'm interested, *insert Rape Face*" line. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/sick.png../../../images/forum/emoticons/sick.png../../../images/forum/emoticons/sick.png../../../images/forum/emoticons/sick.png Was
my reaction to that particular circumstance but I managed to push
through and complete the game, only lost legion on that playthrough, but
quickly decided to delete the save after I was done so I could get the
bad taste out of my mouth from that dialog.

This is why I never have any Sheploo playthrough. When I play ME, it mean I'll romance Liara. But this line "Oh I'm interested, *insert Rape Face*" (youtube) has burned into my brain with Sheploo's face. I was like "No! How could I bring myself to let that face romance Liara"
Believe me <<<< my avatar wasn't my choice.

Hey. It is always nice to read experiences from other Liaramancers

moreeman06 wrote...

and finally since there is more people
on this thread I'll throw another shameless plug in,  Its a bit of a
rush job right now but i had a deadline for a contest to make so i can't
fix anything till the end of the week.  as always critiques and
comments are welcome, and thanks to Luxure/Yesikares/Logan Cloud, for
taking peaks at it in its various stages of completions.  link

I like the first part of the story, ehmm.. smexy time, but after Ilium it seems a little rush

Modifié par rubynorman, 24 avril 2012 - 03:34 .

[Rolling Flame]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Rolling Flame wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

I have to agree with replacing the kid and the forest, with people we knew and locations we were familliar with. It would certainly have a lot more impact, emotionally.

While your last dream sequence would certainly hit home hard, I'm not sure it would be great to place it after the romance scene as I feel it would sour it. 

While you may be right, and I certainly feel the current dream sours the romance scene and I just want to delete it from the game, what I'm trying to do is show that the concept of nightmares can be done appropriately and actually have an impact on the player.

Moving it to a different spot is doing more than working with the basic concept they gave us, I feel. Walters/Hudson decided to place a dream sequence there, and only have 3 dream sequences, so that's what I went with. I wanted to see how powerful and effective of a scene I could make, working with what they laid down.

Fair enough, what you did was excellent. Seeing the LI being huskified and begging to be killed would've had a huge effect on a lot of people, myself included. Seems like a missed opportunity, now. Sort of.

[moreeman06]

rubynorman wrote...

DarkCloudd wrote...
Miranda, which of course led me to the infamous "Oh I'm interested, *insert Rape Face*" line. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/sick.png../../../images/forum/emoticons/sick.png../../../images/forum/emoticons/sick.png../../../images/forum/emoticons/sick.png Was
my reaction to that particular circumstance but I managed to push
through and complete the game, only lost legion on that playthrough, but
quickly decided to delete the save after I was done so I could get the
bad taste out of my mouth from that dialog.

This is why I never have any Sheploo playthrough. When I play ME, it mean I'll romance Liara. But this line "Oh I'm interested, *insert Rape Face*" (youtube) has burned into my brain with Sheploo's face. I was like "No! How could I bring myself to let that face romance Liara"
Believe me <<<< my avatar wasn't my choice.

Hey. It is always nice to read experiences from other Liaramancers

moreeman06 wrote...

and finally since there is more people
on this thread I'll throw another shameless plug in,  Its a bit of a
rush job right now but i had a deadline for a contest to make so i can't
fix anything till the end of the week.  as always critiques and
comments are welcome, and thanks to Luxure/Yesikares/Logan Cloud, for
taking peaks at it in its various stages of completions.  link

I like the first part of the story, ehmm.. smexy time, but after Ilium it seems a little rush

yeah i misread the time on the deadline for the contest and thought i had an hour less than i really did so parts of LOTSB and ME3 were cut down I have more to add but i can't do that till the contest ends.

[Cadwyn]

The attempts to compare ME and Star Trek make me think of another maybe good candidate for analogies : Babylon 5. The item Sheridan-Delenn could very well be Shepard-Liara, the B5 station is a sort of Citadel and Shadows-Vorlons could be Reapers-Protheans.

There are of course a lot of similarities between many Sci-Fi worlds but I thought these ones were relevant.

[IliyaMoroumetz]

Cadwyn wrote...

The attempts to compare ME and Star Trek make me think of another maybe good candidate for analogies : Babylon 5. The item Sheridan-Delenn could very well be Shepard-Liara, the B5 station is a sort of Citadel and Shadows-Vorlons could be Reapers-Protheans.

There are of course a lot of similarities between many Sci-Fi worlds but I thought these ones were relevant.

Funny you should mention that, a friend of mine said, "If you want to see ME3 done right, watch Babylon 5."

[The Star Treker]

IliyaMoroumetz wrote...

Cadwyn wrote...

The attempts to compare ME and Star Trek make me think of another maybe good candidate for analogies : Babylon 5. The item Sheridan-Delenn could very well be Shepard-Liara, the B5 station is a sort of Citadel and Shadows-Vorlons could be Reapers-Protheans.

There are of course a lot of similarities between many Sci-Fi worlds but I thought these ones were relevant.

Funny you should mention that, a friend of mine said, "If you want to see ME3 done right, watch Babylon 5."

Comparisons: Mass Effect and Star Trek, etc.

It's green (Mass Effect 2/Star Trek TOS)

Modifié par The_Star_Treker, 24 avril 2012 - 05:27 .

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Aristobulus500 wrote...

Really though, in what ways does she not seem to show parts of Asari culture in her personality? All there really is, is that she didn't become a typical dancer/merc. She still learned to use biotics, she still learned to be independent, she still learned to hold her own in a fight, and she clearly still had some of that adventurous spirit.

I can't agree with Wrex and Garrus, being so outrageously different from the typical Turian/Krogan behaviour. Especially not after ME3. Of course they struggle with their personal storys, but I can at least get an idea, how Krogans and Turians behave.

Asari are communal beings, Liara is extremly private, even more in ME3.
Asari cherish the time they spend with their partners and don't dwell on their passing? Hello Redemption Comics.
Asari are a very passiv Species, if there is a situation, normal behaviour indicates, that they observer for many years, before they do something. How long did Liara think about rescuing Feron?
'Humans are creatures of actions.' And so is Liara.

At least she is adventurous. ^^

We should maybe agree, to disagree. You feel like a race like the asari can blow something like the Klingons culture away. And I think, BW still has a lot of work to do with their Lore.
ME Universe is young, they need time to develop and I don't think they can compete against SW or ST, yet.

So yeah, like I wrote. ME Universe has a lot of potential and they don't use it. Thessia is the best example for it.
The asari deserve whole DLC, they got completely wasted in ME3. But that's just me.