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[moreeman06]

kumquats wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Really though, in what ways does she not seem to show parts of Asari culture in her personality? All there really is, is that she didn't become a typical dancer/merc. She still learned to use biotics, she still learned to be independent, she still learned to hold her own in a fight, and she clearly still had some of that adventurous spirit.

I can't agree with Wrex and Garrus, being so outrageously different from the typical Turian/Krogan behaviour. Especially not after ME3. Of course they struggle with their personal storys, but I can at least get an idea, how Krogans and Turians behave.

Asari are communal beings, Liara is extremly private, even more in ME3.
Asari cherish the time they spend with their partners and don't dwell on their passing? Hello Redemption Comics.
Asari are a very passiv Species, if there is a situation, normal behaviour indicates, that they observer for many years, before they do something. How long did Liara think about rescuing Feron?
'Humans are creatures of actions.' And so is Liara.

At least she is adventurous. ^^

We should maybe agree, to disagree. You feel like a race like the asari can blow something like the Klingons culture away. And I think, BW still has a lot of work to do with their Lore.
ME Universe is young, they need time to develop and I don't think they can compete against SW or ST, yet.

So yeah, like I wrote. ME Universe has a lot of potential and they don't use it. Thessia is the best example for it.
The asari deserve whole DLC, they got completely wasted in ME3. But that's just me.

Some might say that Liara's more aggressive nature would be the result of melding with Shepard, especially since she doesn't come across like a person of action when you first meet her,  although her being a private person is part of her personality.  Liara all in all is a wonderful character.  as for Garrus he seems to be more individualistic than what you would get or expect from the Turian proto-Roman military state.... i mean heiracrchy.  Wrex is as eve says "a mutant"  in that he is one of the few Krogan, and one of the only males (poor Charr and Ereba) who not only seems to be able to keep his blood rage in check but acts more with his brain than brawn  and has the sense to try and unite the Krogan and keep them in line.  just trying to play Devil's advocate here on the issue.   

But I do agree with you that ME is still in its infancy although its going to be hard if not impossible to flesh out with the endings we have now, considering that if they did happen then there isn't much left to work with.  but yeah i did wish that Thessia was longer also.

as an aside, I've never seen Babylon 5 is it really that good?

[Arcataye]

Aristobulus500 wrote...
*snip about dream sequences*

Well well, you come up with great points once again. You should spread that post around, I think it's great. It would be sad, but hey that's the whole idea! Like you said, the kid didn't matter at all to me. I felt that the "nightmare" sequences were just some filler with no meaning. The whispers of the dead were nice, but chasing the kid totally ruined the mood.
Seems like they just assumed that the players would get some connection to the kid and care about him, like they assumed the players would care about the epilogue Stargazer. No. What the hell were they really thinking?

DarkCloudd wrote...
And after seeing her full character arc
across the 3 games I have to say, I believe she is one of the best
written characters I have ever seen in a video game.

Agree. I haven't seen a "better" character anywhere else yet.
Maybe someone would point out Star Trek or some similar long series, but I've never watched them so I can't say.

polor89 wrote...
guys take a look at that

its a ME3 fan ending with the LI as liara its actually very nice and funny

Glad you liked it.

Modifié par Arcataye, 24 avril 2012 - 07:25 .

[HetmanNG]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

On the other hand, the dream sequences were one of the worst parts of the game and really failed to be meaningful at all. They were just a slog to get through so you could see the rest of the game, and they weren't emotional or moving at all, because you had no connection to the kid and he meant nothing to you.

It's not a coincidence that most people report the only part of the dreams that actually did disturb them was the voices of the crewmembers they had come to know and love, whispering to them.

To that end, I definitely say that Liara should've been included. First of all, the thing you must keep in mind is that this is a nightmare - it's supposed to be disturbing, not just to Shepard, but to the player as well. the player needs to be just as horrified and just as shocked as Shepard is, and just as glad to wake up from it, not because he's ****ing bored by the monotone but because it was really ****ing unpleasant and disturbing.

So, now that I've set the tone, let me describe how the dreams could've been done well - at least, I think so. First of all, scrap the useless ****ing kid. Keep the whispers of the dead. Change the location from a forest you don't recognize - have it be places familiar to the player - the Citadel, Illium, etc. Except as you wander around it, it's distorted in strange ways - it appears off. Discolored, or just warped, or parts of it lead to where it shouldn't.

If you want to keep Shepard chasing after a figure - change it up as the dreams progress. The first dream, he's chasing the shadow of the one killed on Vermire, before seeing them exploded by a bomb in front of his face.

The second, it's Mordin. If Shepard let Mordin cure the Genophage, Mordin just burns up in front of him like how the kid usually does in the original game. If Shepard killed Mordin, however, then Mordin is riddled with bullets and is just hurling accusations at Shep and asking him "why?" before he burns up. If Mordin didn't make it to ME3, I guess you can replace it with Padok Wiks.

The third and final nightmare? Go all out. This should be the most disturbing. It needs to focus around the LI though. Here's the thing, in the original game, the final nightmare has all the same flaws the other dreams do, except it's even worse because it's just out of place and inappropriate - Shepard goes from an emotional romance/sex scene with his lover, to that nightmare, then back to reality with his LI. The LI has nothing to do with them though, it just doesn't fit.

To stay with the theme, it should. Not to mention Shep's LI is going to be one of the characters most significant to Shep and the most powerful nightmare should regard them. So, in this dream, Shep is...say, the Citadel. Maybe the council chambers, or just some twisting halls of the wards. Doesn't really matter - but throughout this dream, he should be chasing after his LI. I'm gonna ruin with Liara for the sake of it, but the concept applies to whoever the LI is. So, he sees Liara, and runs toward her, but as he gets closer, Reaper forces appear and push her away.

Shepard follows them, and you hear the sounds of Liara fighting with them. At first it sounds like she's holding her own, but then things start to get worse and it sounds like she's being overwhelmed. Shepard catches up just in time to see her get taken down - but not killed - and a Banshee is picking up her battered - but still conscious and awake - body. Shepard gets blocked by a few cannibals or marauders or husks - basic Reaper forces, as the Banshee carries Liara off.

While you fight off these few forces, you hear Liara weakly protesting, perhaps apologizing to Shepard, or telling him to leave while he still can. After you defeat the the troops, Shepard catches up to the Banshee just in time to see it impale Liara, and toss her aside. Shepard has to fight the banshee, and because it's a dream, it's set to die easily so it's not a hard fight or something. Shep runs over to Liara, and she's still barely alive...but she's losing a ton of blood from various wounds, especially the wound from the Banshee, and worst of all, she's turning into a banshee. Her eyes are black, she looks up at Shepard, and pleads with him to end it before she fully transforms and turns against him.

Then Shepard wakes up, and looks over at Liara sleeping beside him - perfectly fine. Now, isn't that more fitting, more powerful, more moving, than the garbage we got? I think this would do a much better job of showing off the horrors of the war Shep is involved in, too, and the worst case scenarios the war could bring about, on Shepard and the people he cares about, personally. I think this would actually be a scene disturbing and moving to the player, too, not just Shepard.

In fact that's exactly why I suggest it. I, personally, would not in the slightest enjoy going through it. I would hate it, it would be painful. But that's the point. It's a nightmare. If I'm not disturbed, it's not doing its' job right.

Aside from actually being a nightmare, this also has the benefit of being coherent and consistent with the rest of the scenes - all 3 scenes would be centered around his LI, instead of going from LI -> No LI -> LI.

hello
Your idea/"artistic vision":D of Shepard's nightmares is strong emotionally. I like it! You should copy it to this thread ME3 Suggested Changes Feedback Thread - Spoilers Allowed
or this On the Mass Effect 3 endings. Yes, we are listening.* Bioware should know what is artistic vision/integrity and how it should look like.

*Why not in endings thread;) Casper in ME3 is unnecessary

By Charlesws

Modifié par HetmanNG, 24 avril 2012 - 07:22 .

[Aristobulus500]

kumquats wrote...
I can't agree with Wrex and Garrus, being so outrageously different from the typical Turian/Krogan behaviour. Especially not after ME3. Of course they struggle with their personal storys, but I can at least get an idea, how Krogans and Turians behave.

When you first meet Wrex, he's basically a typical Krogan merc. If you kill him on vermire he never really gets a chance to prove himself.

We should maybe agree, to disagree. You feel like a race like the asari can blow something like the Klingons culture away.

I do, given the time. ME has 3 games and some terrible comics and novels to its name. Star Trek and SW have how many episodes, movies, books, comics? It's not fair.

ME Universe is young, they need time to develop and I don't think they can compete against SW or ST, yet.

This is just it. Yet. If Walters/Hudson didn't torch the IP with the ending, it could've started building up that lore and fleshing out the galaxy more with more entries into the universe, possibly even not about Shepard but games that just take place on a smaller scale on just a few or even one planet, to really flesh out alien culture more.

So yeah, like I wrote. ME Universe has a lot of potential and they don't use it. Thessia is the best example for it.
The asari deserve whole DLC, they got completely wasted in ME3. But that's just me.

I've already said multiple times that Thessia and the Asari really did not have their potential used at all in ME3. They really, really, really needed a long, in depth section like Rannoch and Tuchanka got. What they got was awful and terrible and disconnected and completely shoehorned in and made no sense.

[H4nniba11]

Yesterday I played again that mission where you meet Jacob again. I must have missed that conversation in the first time but this time when Shepard said ''I understand'' and Jacob responds ''No you don't, Normandy is your real love'' I was thinking ''WHERE THE HELL IS RENEGADE PUNCH WHEN YOU NEED ONE''. Had anyone else similar feelings in that point? Another thing: there was some discussion about fan movement earlier in this thread. Something about loggin in BSN on friday 27th and not logging in on following weekend? Any information is appreciated (Unfortunately I can't spend as much time as I'd like in this thread so I just hastily try to pick interesting points in converstations and check new picks).

[Aristobulus500]

HetmanNG wrote...
hello
Your idea/"artistic vision":D of Shepard's nightmares is strong emotionally. I like it! You should copy it to this thread ME3 Suggested Changes Feedback Thread - Spoilers Allowed
or this On the Mass Effect 3 endings. Yes, we are listening.* Bioware should know what is artistic vision/integrity and how it should look like.

*Why not in endings thread;) Casper in ME3 is unnecessary

Haha, you really think so? I appreciate it.

If you think it should go there, you can just quote me and post it there, if you want. I wouldn't know how to just post it over there.

[CDHarrisUSF]

moreeman06 wrote...

Some might say that Liara's more aggressive nature would be the result of melding with Shepard, especially since she doesn't come across like a person of action when you first meet her,  although her being a private person is part of her personality.

That's how I understood it, as well... especially considering the conversation you have with Liara early on in ME1 regarding their biology, culture, etc. When she is telling Shepard about how their reproduction works, she says that when bonding they explore their partner's genes and personality in order to incorporate desirable traits into the species and pass the traits on to their children. This is a reason given as to why their culture places a stigma on purebloods, because they (or at least most of them) feel that nothing is gained by mating with another asari. Also, when the subject of asari lifespan comes up, she mentions that a part of their bondmate lives on within them through their union. So, it seemed only natural that some of the traits which drew Liara to Shepard would rub off on her.

Modifié par CDHarrisUSF, 24 avril 2012 - 07:40 .

[rubynorman]

@H4nniba11:
http://social.biowar...11600342-1.html

[Erenbe]

H4nniba11 wrote...

Yesterday I played again that mission where you meet Jacob again. I must have missed that conversation in the first time but this time when Shepard said ''I understand'' and Jacob responds ''No you don't, Normandy is your real love'' I was thinking ''WHERE THE HELL IS RENEGADE PUNCH WHEN YOU NEED ONE''. Had anyone else similar feelings in that point?

Pretty much what you experienced. I actually liked Jacob to some extent after ME2.If you overlook the creepy flirty voice that Shep shows when talking to him it was bearable. But he completely blew it with his stupid comment in that scene you describe. Renegade punch would have been great....it's highly frustrating and annoying to listen to him being so insistent about my Shep not having a future with a family or the LI. 
If anyone deservers a future with the LI (in this case with Liara) it would be Shep! <_< Man...this still annoys me!

[Erenbe]

moreeman06 wrote...
Some might say that Liara's more aggressive nature would be the result of melding with Shepard, especially since she doesn't come across like a person of action when you first meet her,  although her being a private person is part of her personality.  Liara all in all is a wonderful character. 

Do we see something similar in Shep? Well, I guess it would be hard to program this into the game seeing as Shepard has so many LI options but I would like to think that Liara left some traces. 

[Aristobulus500]

I wouldn't mind Jacob saying all that, if he only said it to a Shep that didn't have a romance. But to a Shep romancing someone? Especially, you know, a Liara loyal Shep who stayed with her through 3 games? Should get an interrupt or a dialogue option to correct him.

[H4nniba11]

Rubynorman, thanks. Definitely going to participate.

[MRadway]

By Charlesws

That was so beautiful! 

[Yuqi]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

It boggles my mind when people tell me they think Liara is a sexist character and that the relationship between her and Shep is completely unequal and is just Shep taking advantage of her.

Really is the case that some people just never let their first impressions go. And then look for reasons they were right.

Sexiest character overall?Hmnn...no that defiantly goes to Miranda, Ashly, ME3 Jack, and or Traynor.( Because they are human.)

And Liara being with a Renegade makes as much sense, as her being with a Paragon. What is with the Renegade hating?

[rubynorman]

Renegade dialogue "let's enjoy ourself" -> eww
Maybe they use each other 8-} I don't think renegade Shep uses Liara, not in ME3 maybe in ME1 (IMO)
Paragon dialogue "I love you too, Liara"
" Show me" -> :X
Miranda in ME2 is sexist (IMO) but in ME3 I think she has more emotion.

[CrazyGreggy]

moreeman06 wrote...
as an aside, I've never seen Babylon 5 is it really that good?

Yes, definitely. Season 1 can be a bit of a slog in parts, but if you haven't seen B5, you need to. If the artwork already there wasn't so damn perfect, the picture on Violently Protective Girlfriend on tvtropes would be Delenn saying "if you value your lives, BE SOMEWHERE ELSE".

[Rolling Flame]

Erenbe wrote...

moreeman06 wrote...
Some might say that Liara's more aggressive nature would be the result of melding with Shepard, especially since she doesn't come across like a person of action when you first meet her,  although her being a private person is part of her personality.  Liara all in all is a wonderful character. 

Do we see something similar in Shep? Well, I guess it would be hard to program this into the game seeing as Shepard has so many LI options but I would like to think that Liara left some traces. 

I suppose you can make that happen yourself. Just start as a Renegade and slowly lean towards Paragon after each meld.

[Sarcastic Tasha]

I think renegade Shep goes well with Liara. Obviously you can't choose every "renegade" option without causing problems. But choosing every "paragon" option would cause problems too (paragon Shep in ME2 disapproves of Liara's criminal activities). Personally I found Liara and renegade Shep more interesting than Liara and paragon Shep, though that may just be because I prefer my renegade Shep in general.

[Erenbe]

Rolling Flame wrote...

Erenbe wrote...

moreeman06 wrote...
Some might say that Liara's more aggressive nature would be the result of melding with Shepard, especially since she doesn't come across like a person of action when you first meet her,  although her being a private person is part of her personality.  Liara all in all is a wonderful character. 

Do we see something similar in Shep? Well, I guess it would be hard to program this into the game seeing as Shepard has so many LI options but I would like to think that Liara left some traces. 

I suppose you can make that happen yourself. Just start as a Renegade and slowly lean towards Paragon after each meld.

Hmm, yeah I guess I already did that 
ME1 I was pure Paragon....then ME2 after being dead and resurrected I tended to chose more of the Renegade options but kept a Paragade outlook (never could bring myself to do the really nasty things as Renegade). It fit with the feeling of being abandoned by everyone (Alliance, Council, etc) and not being believed by the VS, Council, etc when telling them about the Reaper threat and only using Cerberus for their resources.
Meeting Liara on Illium was frustrating in the beginning and cemented the Renegade outlook but LotSB put me back onto the light path so to speak. And having her with me in ME3 is just heavenly  
So yeah...at least in my playthrough Liara has an effect on Shep's choices and decisions!

What really bothered me though was in ME1 when I had Kaidan survive and had the Liara/Kaidan combo with me during the last fight with Saren. It seems Liara is then by default the character that urges you to save the fleet and sacrifice the council, she is also the one that puts a bullet through Saren's head when you send them to check on his body. That seems slightly out of character for her in ME1 



Edit: not enough blue in here

Modifié par Erenbe, 24 avril 2012 - 09:56 .

[kumquats]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

We should maybe agree, to disagree. You feel like a race like the asari can blow something like the Klingons culture away.

I do, given the time. ME has 3 games and some terrible comics and novels to its name. Star Trek and SW have how many episodes, movies, books, comics? It's not fair.

ME builds on the foundations they laid down and improves on it. Especially in the alien races and characters and their cultures - that they even have cultures.

After you see, that ME didn't improve anything, yet. That ST actually has very detailed alien culturs. I will finally reveal why ME will never touch ST.

The main focus of Star Trek are NOT the alien races. This franchise is all about the message. People are invested into Star Trek, because they always have a message. The detailed races are a development. Codexes have been changed.

Mass Effect is all about the alien cultures and after ME3 and after Tuchanka, if you really think, that Wrex is not a typical Krogan. Then they failed, they failed all the way.
Krogan Mercs are what the Turians and the Salarians made them become. I mean, **** yeah, after two games, we finally know what Krogan culture looks like....
Or maybe Mass Effect had a message: You can try, but you will never succeed in the end.

A franchise that is all about alien species, we have the asari. We can speculate about them all day long.
Liara deserves a better race then the asari. Retake their Codex!

moreeman06 wrote...

Some might say that Liara's more
aggressive nature would be the result of melding with Shepard,
especially since she doesn't come across like a person of action when
you first meet her,  although her being a private person is part of her
personality. 

You can continue speculate about that. I roleplay like that with my Renegade, but headcanon is headcanon is headcanon. I'd rather had Liara in ME3 that said: " I didn't know how to handle your loss and the asari teachings didn't give me the answers I was seeking. Maybe.... maybe after our union, when your mind touched mine, I became more like you....more human."
I wouldn't  have had a problem.

Modifié par kumquats, 24 avril 2012 - 09:57 .

[Arcataye]

Relevant:

Modifié par Arcataye, 24 avril 2012 - 10:10 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Spartx9 wrote...
 (watch at your own risk, all of the voices of the killable crew members which is really depressing)

One thing I'm kinda glad that you don't hear liara at all. Would make that dream sequence even more depressing 

Also need to read up on a few fan fics that were posted this weekend.

On the other hand, the dream sequences were one of the worst parts of the game and really failed to be meaningful at all. They were just a slog to get through so you could see the rest of the game, and they weren't emotional or moving at all, because you had no connection to the kid and he meant nothing to you.

It's not a coincidence that most people report the only part of the dreams that actually did disturb them was the voices of the crewmembers they had come to know and love, whispering to them.

To that end, I definitely say that Liara should've been included. First of all, the thing you must keep in mind is that this is a nightmare - it's supposed to be disturbing, not just to Shepard, but to the player as well. the player needs to be just as horrified and just as shocked as Shepard is, and just as glad to wake up from it, not because he's ****ing bored by the monotone but because it was really ****ing unpleasant and disturbing.

So, now that I've set the tone, let me describe how the dreams could've been done well - at least, I think so. First of all, scrap the useless ****ing kid. Keep the whispers of the dead. Change the location from a forest you don't recognize - have it be places familiar to the player - the Citadel, Illium, etc. Except as you wander around it, it's distorted in strange ways - it appears off. Discolored, or just warped, or parts of it lead to where it shouldn't.

If you want to keep Shepard chasing after a figure - change it up as the dreams progress. The first dream, he's chasing the shadow of the one killed on Vermire, before seeing them exploded by a bomb in front of his face.

The second, it's Mordin. If Shepard let Mordin cure the Genophage, Mordin just burns up in front of him like how the kid usually does in the original game. If Shepard killed Mordin, however, then Mordin is riddled with bullets and is just hurling accusations at Shep and asking him "why?" before he burns up. If Mordin didn't make it to ME3, I guess you can replace it with Padok Wiks.

The third and final nightmare? Go all out. This should be the most disturbing. It needs to focus around the LI though. Here's the thing, in the original game, the final nightmare has all the same flaws the other dreams do, except it's even worse because it's just out of place and inappropriate - Shepard goes from an emotional romance/sex scene with his lover, to that nightmare, then back to reality with his LI. The LI has nothing to do with them though, it just doesn't fit.

To stay with the theme, it should. Not to mention Shep's LI is going to be one of the characters most significant to Shep and the most powerful nightmare should regard them. So, in this dream, Shep is...say, the Citadel. Maybe the council chambers, or just some twisting halls of the wards. Doesn't really matter - but throughout this dream, he should be chasing after his LI. I'm gonna ruin with Liara for the sake of it, but the concept applies to whoever the LI is. So, he sees Liara, and runs toward her, but as he gets closer, Reaper forces appear and push her away.

Shepard follows them, and you hear the sounds of Liara fighting with them. At first it sounds like she's holding her own, but then things start to get worse and it sounds like she's being overwhelmed. Shepard catches up just in time to see her get taken down - but not killed - and a Banshee is picking up her battered - but still conscious and awake - body. Shepard gets blocked by a few cannibals or marauders or husks - basic Reaper forces, as the Banshee carries Liara off.

While you fight off these few forces, you hear Liara weakly protesting, perhaps apologizing to Shepard, or telling him to leave while he still can. After you defeat the the troops, Shepard catches up to the Banshee just in time to see it impale Liara, and toss her aside. Shepard has to fight the banshee, and because it's a dream, it's set to die easily so it's not a hard fight or something. Shep runs over to Liara, and she's still barely alive...but she's losing a ton of blood from various wounds, especially the wound from the Banshee, and worst of all, she's turning into a banshee. Her eyes are black, she looks up at Shepard, and pleads with him to end it before she fully transforms and turns against him.

Then Shepard wakes up, and looks over at Liara sleeping beside him - perfectly fine. Now, isn't that more fitting, more powerful, more moving, than the garbage we got? I think this would do a much better job of showing off the horrors of the war Shep is involved in, too, and the worst case scenarios the war could bring about, on Shepard and the people he cares about, personally. I think this would actually be a scene disturbing and moving to the player, too, not just Shepard.

In fact that's exactly why I suggest it. I, personally, would not in the slightest enjoy going through it. I would hate it, it would be painful. But that's the point. It's a nightmare. If I'm not disturbed, it's not doing its' job right.

Aside from actually being a nightmare, this also has the benefit of being coherent and consistent with the rest of the scenes - all 3 scenes would be centered around his LI, instead of going from LI -> No LI -> LI.

I had my own ideas on how to fix the dream sequences but I like yours aswell. I can definetly agree with you that the last dream sequence hould have takend advantage of the fact that it comes after the romance sequence.

[Akernis]

Aristobulus500 wrote...
*Talking about nightmare*

*Shudder*
That would have been extremely disturbing, effectve, but disturbing.

And I know, I had a nightmare about two weeks ago that was nearly completly identical to waht you said, with me as Shepard and seeing Liara being impaled by a banshee and then cheking on her to find out she is becomming huskified.
Then I (still dreaming as Shepard) woke up to find Liara laying next to me in bed, safe, sound and unharmed.
 
So trust me that scene would be really emotional and scary

[moreeman06]

Arcataye wrote...

Relevant:

yes completely relevant, and a great way to wake up in the morning.  I love wingedmoggy's work

kumquats wrote...
*snip*

A franchise that is all about alien species, we have the asari. We can speculate about them all day long.
Liara deserves a better race then the asari. Retake their Codex![smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/sideways.png[/smilie]

moreeman06 wrote...

Some might say that Liara's more 
aggressive nature would be the result of melding with Shepard, 
especially since she doesn't come across like a person of action when 
you first meet her,  although her being a private person is part of her 
personality.  

You can continue speculate about that. I roleplay like that with my Renegade, but headcanon is headcanon is headcanon. I'd rather had Liara in ME3 that said: " I didn't know how to handle your loss and the asari teachings didn't give me the answers I was seeking. Maybe.... maybe after our union, when your mind touched mine, I became more like you....more human."
I wouldn't  have had a problem. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

 

that's how alot of us headcanon it if i'm not wrong, mostly because what is said in the codex about how they explore through the partners personality to find the most desirable traits.  although i would have liked something alont those lines in the game also.  as for retaking the Asari Codex to make them more worthy of Liara.... well i like that she's unique although i want my try and fail at Thessia DLC.

CDHarrisUSF wrote...

moreeman06 wrote...

Some might say that Liara's more aggressive nature would be the result of melding with Shepard, especially since she doesn't come across like a person of action when you first meet her,  although her being a private person is part of her personality.

That's how I understood it, as well... especially considering the conversation you have with Liara early on in ME1 regarding their biology, culture, etc. When she is telling Shepard about how their reproduction works, she says that when bonding they explore their partner's genes and personality in order to incorporate desirable traits into the species and pass the traits on to their children. This is a reason given as to why their culture places a stigma on purebloods, because they (or at least most of them) feel that nothing is gained by mating with another asari. Also, when the subject of asari lifespan comes up, she mentions that a part of their bondmate lives on within them through their union. So, it seemed only natural that some of the traits which drew Liara to Shepard would rub off on her.

 

this^^

Erenbe wrote...
*snip*
Do we see something similar in Shep? Well, I guess it would be hard to program this into the game seeing as Shepard has so many LI options but I would like to think that Liara left some traces. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

 

I'd like to think so,  I normally play a pretty full paragon or paragade but I'd like to say that Liara has a more calming affect on Tiberius

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[Mobius-Silent]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

To that end, I definitely say that Liara should've been included. First of all, the thing you must keep in mind is that this is a nightmare - it's supposed to be disturbing, not just to Shepard, but to the player as well. the player needs to be just as horrified and just as shocked as Shepard is, and just as glad to wake up from it, not because he's ****ing bored by the monotone but because it was really ****ing unpleasant and disturbing.

I disagree, to me the dream was there simply to convey guilt, thats why all the voices are from the dead and the number of shadowy figures increases through the story. The perfect time for it (IMHO) was when Shepard was finally feeling a little calmer and a little better "I'm here with my love and people are still dying"