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[rubynorman]

I could never make a renegade Shep, it just wasn't myself I won't do these things in real life. I can't play like that. My main playthrough is nearly pure paragon. I only renegade 3 times, one for Liara in Ilium, "nobody mess with my girl", tell Kelly to change her identity.
But I must admit some renegade choices/ interruptions are so cool: headbut a krogan, kill Kai Leng, "Run! It's a boom"
If my memory is correct, Wrex told me to kill the council while Liara wanted me to save them in ME1.

[moreeman06]

rubynorman wrote...

I could never make a renegade Shep, it just wasn't myself I won't do these things in real life. I can't play like that. My main playthrough is nearly pure paragon. I only renegade 3 times, one for Liara in Ilium, "nobody mess with my girl", tell Kelly to change her identity.
But I must admit some renegade choices/ interruptions are so cool: headbut a krogan, kill Kai Leng, "Run! It's a boom"
If my memory is correct, Wrex told me to kill the council while Liara wanted me to save them in ME1.

that would be were i got most of my renegade options.  headbutt a Krogan, explode a fuel tank, no one messes with my girl aka you threaten liara i will destroy you and your cohorts...... oh wait that happened,  to soon.... yeah too soon

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

When I first played through Cronos station I always wanted the second squadmate you bring with to argue and talk with TIM, if for no reason other than because I never cared much for EDI in ME3. But I understood why they did not since alot of the squadmates do not have anything in their story that could have been brought up for TIM to use as an example (aside from the obvious one with EDI).

But then it hit me that Liara had a perfect example.

Instead of destroying the broker's network after killing him, Liara instead took control of it and became the new SB. She gave herself unprecedented amounts of power in the name of a higher cause.

So what do you guys think? Should TIM have challenged Liara on this aspect? Using her own actions to prove the merit of control? And if yes, what would Liara answer in response?

Modifié par Lizardviking, 24 avril 2012 - 12:41 .

[moreeman06]

Lizardviking wrote...

When I first played through Cronos station I always wanted the second squadmate you bring with to argue and talk with TIM, if for no reason other than because I never cared much for EDI in ME3. But I understood why they did not since alot of the squadmates do not have anything in their story that could have been brought up for TIM to use as an example (aside from the obvious one with EDI).

But then it hit me that Liara had a perfect example.

Instead of destroying the broker's network after killing him, Liara instead took control of it and became the new SB. She gave herself unprecedented amounts of power in the name of a higher cause.

So what do you guys think? Should TIM have challenged Liara on this aspect? Using her own actions to prove the merit of control? And if yes, what would Liara answer in response?

yeah i think it would have been cool for him to challenge Liara considering they have a mutual hatred and after their little confrontation on Mars i was hoping for more.   I think Liara would say something along the lines that she wasn't controlling anything but using the network to guide and assist others eg. Shepard/refugees/crucible engineers  and then i think that Shep would have blasted the hologram out of existance and using space magic teleported to the Citadel and beat TIM into a coma while faux-ninja leng watched helplessly

[Akernis]

Lizardviking wrote...

When I first played through Cronos station I always wanted the second squadmate you bring with to argue and talk with TIM, if for no reason other than because I never cared much for EDI in ME3. But I understood why they did not since alot of the squadmates do not have anything in their story that could have been brought up for TIM to use as an example (aside from the obvious one with EDI).

But then it hit me that Liara had a perfect example.

Instead of destroying the broker's network after killing him, Liara instead took control of it and became the new SB. She gave herself unprecedented amounts of power in the name of a higher cause.

So what do you guys think? Should TIM have challenged Liara on this aspect? Using her own actions to prove the merit of control? And if yes, what would Liara answer in response?

I don't know what she would have said, likely something along EDI's "it was nessecary" or perhpas something along the lines of "I would never have (inset the experiments on Horizon or similar)" 
But we can see that she struggles with the idea, most obvious when she earlier on Chronos has the line "if it could have saved Thessia... I don't know".

This is of course up to interpetation but I never felt like Liara wanted the power of being the Shadow Broker. She saw the position as an oppotinity to help.
And beyond the single scene with Sekat in LotSB where she was still behind her closed mental shield she never exhibited the "end justifices the means" mentality.

Modifié par Akernis, 24 avril 2012 - 01:12 .

[polor89]

Lizardviking wrote...

When I first played through Cronos station I always wanted the second squadmate you bring with to argue and talk with TIM, if for no reason other than because I never cared much for EDI in ME3. But I understood why they did not since alot of the squadmates do not have anything in their story that could have been brought up for TIM to use as an example (aside from the obvious one with EDI).

But then it hit me that Liara had a perfect example.

Instead of destroying the broker's network after killing him, Liara instead took control of it and became the new SB. She gave herself unprecedented amounts of power in the name of a higher cause.

So what do you guys think? Should TIM have challenged Liara on this aspect? Using her own actions to prove the merit of control? And if yes, what would Liara answer in response?

There is a difference between controlling a network of information and controlling the reapers but liara said something in cronos station that maybe is not so bad to take control of something like the Illusive man  does and she maybe would have done if it would have save thessia from the reapers but i think shepard would have talk her down from doing such extreme things 

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Akernis wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

When I first played through Cronos station I always wanted the second squadmate you bring with to argue and talk with TIM, if for no reason other than because I never cared much for EDI in ME3. But I understood why they did not since alot of the squadmates do not have anything in their story that could have been brought up for TIM to use as an example (aside from the obvious one with EDI).

But then it hit me that Liara had a perfect example.

Instead of destroying the broker's network after killing him, Liara instead took control of it and became the new SB. She gave herself unprecedented amounts of power in the name of a higher cause.

So what do you guys think? Should TIM have challenged Liara on this aspect? Using her own actions to prove the merit of control? And if yes, what would Liara answer in response?

I don't know what she would have said, likely something along EDI's "it was nessecary" or perhpas something along the lines of "I would never have (inset the experiments on Horizon or similar)" 
But we can see that she struggles with the idea, most obvious when she earlier on Chronos has the line "if it could have saved Thessia... I don't know".

This is of course up to interpetation but I never felt like Liara wanted the power of being the Shadow Broker. She saw the position as an oppotinity to help.
And beyond the single scene with Sekat in LotSB where she was still behind her closed mental shield she never exhibited the "end justifices the means" mentality.

That is what I believe. But from an in-universe perspective, I doubt TIM would see it like that. He simply saw Liara taking control of the SB network instead of shutting it down, using it futher whatever goals or agenda she had.

[Wulfram]

Liara didn't set up death camps or sabotage the war against the reapers to get control of the Shadow Broker's network.

[rubynorman]

IMO: Liara didn't do anything harmful after talking control of the SB network. If she destroyed it, other brokers would eventually become a new "king of broker" aka SB and bad thing could happen. It's better that she is cotrolling it. But TIM who has done many evil experiments, turning people into husk, children experiment, etc. It's different.

[Tyranniac]

 

Akernis wrote...

kumquats wrote...
Was the whole stuff about the Protheans in the Athema Temple to your liking?.

Not particularly, it worked great as a plot device/dark revelation but i am not a fan of it overall. 
I generally like the asari and that revelation makes it seems like they can't do anything on their own and that it was only through Prothean intervention that they were able to accomplish anything at all.

I actually don't really like the way that the Protheans are depicted as having ochestrated so much in ME3. Javiks attitude and descriptions of his people didn't really help the matter.    

I know that I am exaggerating and I believe that the asari was did figure out most things for themselves they were simply given some tools, they still had to use them for themselves. But it still leaves a somewhat bitter taste for me.  

 

Am I the only one that thought Thessia was alright? It was certainly too short, but I like what they did include.

Rolling Flame wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

I have to agree with replacing the kid and the forest, with people we knew and locations we were familliar with. It would certainly have a lot more impact, emotionally.

While your last dream sequence would certainly hit home hard, I'm not sure it would be great to place it after the romance scene as I feel it would sour it. 

Of course the last dream should be after the romance scene, especially if it includes the LI.

[Aristobulus500]

Tyranniac wrote...


Am I the only one that thought Thessia was alright? It was certainly too short, but I like what they did include.

It's not so much that the Thessia mission was bad...it's just that as a whole, the Asari and Thessia were not given enough. That same mission could stay in, and if there were 3-4 more missions on Thessia all centered around an arc with a giant decision to make just like Rannoch/Tuchanka had? It wouldn't stand out as particularly bad or anything.

Well, for the most part.

See, the problems with Thessia are this - It's just a single mission. It might as well be a random n7 mission, and it has no real connection to what else is going on, not like Palaven and Tuchanka did, and Rannoch was a whole arc to itself. So it feels really forced, "oh we better put *something* in for the Asari because we haven't even used them at all so far". The Asari don't even go to the summit! You spend a ton of time with the Krogan, Turians, and Quarians though. You barely deal with the Asari.

As well, the beacon is just stupid and ridiculous, and so is Kai Leng. Kai Leng uses plot armor to win and summons in a gunship that you can't take down even though you've taken down gunships before.

Why is the beacon stupid though? Because it doesn't make sense and it's entirely glossed over. The beacon being revealed should be a serious blow to the Asari, because it means they've been breaking a law that is considered very serious - hiding Prothean tech. But the consequences of it are just glossed over and forgotten about.

Even then though, the beacon, as I keep saying, just doesn't make sense. This is because, there are only 2 possible situations when it comes to the beacon - either the Asari can completely understand the beacon, or they can't.

See, they are said to have gotten an unfair advantage from the beacon. It's supposedly why they are on top. Yet there are some problems...

First of all, if the Asari CAN read the prothean beacon entirely, then yes they can very likely get a lot of tech from it and stay on top. However, this makes Shepard pretty much redundant - a large part of why Shepard is said to be special is that he can understand Prothean tech and videos. I mean, on Eden Prime, he is the only one to see all that about Javik's history and the fall of the Protheans. Liara, even, only sees static.

Yet, if the Asari can read prothean tech - he's not needed. Why was Shepard even sent to Eden Prime in the first place, then - the Asari would've sent one of their own to read the beacon. Further, if the Asari can read prothean tech, why didn't they know about the Reapers? It seems ridiculous to think that the Protheans wouldn't have mentioned the Reapers in that beacon on Thessia - and wouldn't have mentioned the Reapers in any other beacons the Asari have come across.

Okay so, what if they can't understand the beacon? Then...it's not really a huge advantage. All that beacon would've given them, is a chance to try to scrape at the surface and understand it, same as the humans did with the prothean tech on Mars, and other races did when they found prothean tech near them. The only advantage the Asari have, in this case, is that the beacon was closer and was actually on their planet, and didn't require them to already have space travel of some form, to study.

All that means is they get a head start. It would explain how they were the first space faring race and were the ones to start the galactic community. But in the modern days? They aren't getting any special advantages from the prothean beacon on Thessia anymore, that puts them ahead of the other races, it just doesn't make sense. Everyone has access to some form of prothean tech to study.

Further, the Asari don't even seem to be all that much more advanced than the other races, so it really does seem like they aren't actually getting some kind of continual secret boost from Prothean Tech. The Salarians and Turians both seem to have a more advanced military and weapons department. Though, I could imagine the Asari have higher tech when it comes to quality of life tech and tech relating to healthcare and such, but that's got nothing to do with military power keeping them on top.

This is what I mean when I complain about Thessia and the way Asari are handled in ME3. I admit that for the most part, the Thessia mission - by itself - is fine though. Going through it with Liara, meeting other Asari desperately trying to form a last defense, having to deal with Liara getting angrier and angrier and more distraught, that post Thessia scene with Liara...those are all, mostly, fine, it's just a lack of anything else. That shouldn't have been all.

[adneate]

Tyranniac wrote...
Am I the only one that thought Thessia was alright? It was certainly too short, but I like what they did include.

Like a lot of things in the game it goes off half cocked, when you compare Thessia to Rannoch or Tuchunka it's evident that way more could have been done with the location and the Asari. Losing the planet would have had a much a much bigger impact if we spent more than no time at all on it before everything went to crap.

When you show up on Thessia the battle is pretty much already a lost cause and the Asari are hanging on by a thread. If we showed up earlier and got a sense that we were turning things around and the fight was going in our favour then we get beat and have to run there would have been a much better sense of loss.

As it stands we lose the planet and my honest reaction from a military standpoint is, that was the likely outcome from the start. You can't win an urban battle with light infantry and air assets and a species that's not suited or has the mindset for a heavy attritional slugging match. The Asari just aren't capable of putting up a street by street fight and taking tens of thousands of losses per city. They even admit it themselves that they just aren't physically capable of fighting like that and they aren't ready for it by any measure.

They should have done a much better job of showing how desperate the Asari situation was and how alien this kind of warfare is to them.

[Tyranniac]

[quote]Aristobulus500 wrote...

It's not so much that the Thessia mission was bad...it's just that as a whole, the Asari and Thessia were not given enough. That same mission could stay in, and if there were 3-4 more missions on Thessia all centered around an arc with a giant decision to make just like Rannoch/Tuchanka had? It wouldn't stand out as particularly bad or anything. 

Well, for the most part.

See, the problems with Thessia are this - It's just a single mission. It might as well be a random n7 mission, and it has no real connection to what else is going on, not like Palaven and Tuchanka did, and Rannoch was a whole arc to itself. So it feels really forced, "oh we better put *something* in for the Asari because we haven't even used them at all so far". The Asari don't even go to the summit! You spend a ton of time with the Krogan, Turians, and Quarians though. You barely deal with the Asari.

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I agree that there should have been more, to be equal to the other races. There is absolutely a lack of content with Thessia and the asari.


[quote]Aristobulus500 wrote... 

As well, the beacon is just stupid and ridiculous, and so is Kai Leng. Kai Leng uses plot armor to win and summons in a gunship that you can't take down even though you've taken down gunships before.

[/quote] 

I did not mind the Kai Leng part really, it could have been done better but nothing wrong with it.

[quote]Aristobulus500 wrote...  

Why is the beacon stupid though? Because it doesn't make sense and it's entirely glossed over. The beacon being revealed should be a serious blow to the Asari, because it means they've been breaking a law that is considered very serious - hiding Prothean tech. But the consequences of it are just glossed over and forgotten about.

[/quote] 

They should probably have included som additional consequences, but I do think that the fact that there is a Reaper invasion going on made the whole thing less important (Although then again, that also makes the whole thing worse. There should have been more outrage over the fact that the asari didn't share the knowledge of this beacon sooner.)

[quote]Aristobulus500 wrote...   

Even then though, the beacon, as I keep saying, just doesn't make sense. This is because, there are only 2 possible situations when it comes to the beacon - either the Asari can completely understand the beacon, or they can't.

See, they are said to have gotten an unfair advantage from the beacon. It's supposedly why they are on top. Yet there are some problems...

First of all, if the Asari CAN read the prothean beacon entirely, then yes they can very likely get a lot of tech from it and stay on top. However, this makes Shepard pretty much redundant - a large part of why Shepard is said to be special is that he can understand Prothean tech and videos. I mean, on Eden Prime, he is the only one to see all that about Javik's history and the fall of the Protheans. Liara, even, only sees static.

Yet, if the Asari can read prothean tech - he's not needed. Why was Shepard even sent to Eden Prime in the first place, then - the Asari would've sent one of their own to read the beacon. Further, if the Asari can read prothean tech, why didn't they know about the Reapers? It seems ridiculous to think that the Protheans wouldn't have mentioned the Reapers in that beacon on Thessia - and wouldn't have mentioned the Reapers in any other beacons the Asari have come across.

Okay so, what if they can't understand the beacon? Then...it's not really a huge advantage. All that beacon would've given them, is a chance to try to scrape at the surface and understand it, same as the humans did with the prothean tech on Mars, and other races did when they found prothean tech near them. The only advantage the Asari have, in this case, is that the beacon was closer and was actually on their planet, and didn't require them to already have space travel of some form, to study.

All that means is they get a head start. It would explain how they were the first space faring race and were the ones to start the galactic community. But in the modern days? They aren't getting any special advantages from the prothean beacon on Thessia anymore, that puts them ahead of the other races, it just doesn't make sense. Everyone has access to some form of prothean tech to study.

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I disagree. This beacon is likely different than the one on Eden Prime since it contains a VI rather than a message. I think it is reasonable to think the asari may have extracted a bit of the information without coming close to finding all of it, especially since it seems unlikely that they had activated the VI itself as it appears to require a Prothean (or the Chiper) to activate.

Also, isn't it established that most of what the asari gained from the Protheans was gained by direct intervention rather than learning from the beacon?

[quote]Aristobulus500 wrote...    

Further, the Asari don't even seem to be all that much more advanced than the other races, so it really does seem like they aren't actually getting some kind of continual secret boost from Prothean Tech. The Salarians and Turians both seem to have a more advanced military and weapons department. Though, I could imagine the Asari have higher tech when it comes to quality of life tech and tech relating to healthcare and such, but that's got nothing to do with military power keeping them on top.

[/quote] 

Well, we have the biotics and he ability to meld and reproduce with any species. This made them exeptionally well suited for spreading across the galaxy (This was obviously not from the beacon but from previous manipulation, but it shows that they are more advanced biologicaly, if not technically). One could also imagine that early trade helped bring turians and salarians up to the asari level of technology (which the salarians likely then surpassed due to their high intelligence and such).

Most of the asari technological advantage is probably gone at this point since they have shared much of it as far as I can gather.

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[quote]Aristobulus500 wrote...     

This is what I mean when I complain about Thessia and the way Asari are handled in ME3. I admit that for the most part, the Thessia mission - by itself - is fine though. Going through it with Liara, meeting other Asari desperately trying to form a last defense, having to deal with Liara getting angrier and angrier and more distraught, that post Thessia scene with Liara...those are all, mostly, fine, it's just a lack of anything else. That shouldn't have been all.

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I agree with some of what you're saying but not all of it. More clarity on the whole thing would certainly have been useful though. And yes, Liara throughout Thessia and afterwards was great. (Shepard after Thessia though, not so much.)

[quote]adneate wrote...

[quote]Tyranniac wrote...
Am I the only one that thought Thessia was alright? It was certainly too short, but I like what they did include.
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Like a lot of things in the game it goes off half cocked, when you compare Thessia to Rannoch or Tuchunka it's evident that way more could have been done with the location and the Asari. Losing the planet would have had a much a much bigger impact if we spent more than no time at all on it before everything went to crap.

When you show up on Thessia the battle is pretty much already a lost cause and the Asari are hanging on by a thread. If we showed up earlier and got a sense that we were turning things around and the fight was going in our favour then we get beat and have to run there would have been a much better sense of loss.

As it stands we lose the planet and my honest reaction from a military standpoint is, that was the likely outcome from the start. You can't win an urban battle with light infantry and air assets and a species that's not suited or has the mindset for a heavy attritional slugging match. The Asari just aren't capable of putting up a street by street fight and taking tens of thousands of losses per city. They even admit it themselves that they just aren't physically capable of fighting like that and they aren't ready for it by any measure.

They should have done a much better job of showing how desperate the Asari situation was and how alien this kind of warfare is to them.
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I agree with this. Perhaps I sounded a bit more positive than I intended. Thessia could have been handled a lot better, but I don't think it is bad by any means.

[Akernis]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...


Am I the only one that thought Thessia was alright? It was certainly too short, but I like what they did include.

*problems with the Thessia mission *

Well I basically agree with just about everything you said here. I actually liked the mission in itself, except for the whole Beacon/Prothean part but it should have been considerable longer, not the mission but the story-arch.

Another problem I had with that part of the game that you basically dosn't see anything to the asari after that at all, The Destiny Ascnesion gets a zoom-in when the fleets arrive at Earth but thats it, we don't talk to any asari, we don't see them help, we don't hear anything from Thessia or well anything, it is like they simply gone after you speak with Councilor Tevos.

Another thing thing that bothered my slightly, everyone speak of Thessia as if it is "lost" well sure the asari cannot put up a fight like Palaven but earth is completly outmatched as well an no-one treats it as lost, even the describtion of the planet notes that husks have severely difficult with capturing a entire population of potential biotics. Thessia still have a population of about 5 and a half bilion if I recall correctly so the Reapers would still need years or decades to finish it (I can't recall how fast the harvest process goes).
It is as if the Reapers land and then boom every asari of Thessia; gone.

Edit: Aslo the asari are advanced in preciesely the areas the Protean are not; patience, deplomacy, peace etc. it make slittle sense that they learned that from either the beacon or prethean manipulation.

Modifié par Akernis, 24 avril 2012 - 04:14 .

[TheMarshal]

adneate wrote...

Like a lot of things in the game it goes off half cocked, when you compare Thessia to Rannoch or Tuchunka it's evident that way more could have been done with the location and the Asari. Losing the planet would have had a much a much bigger impact if we spent more than no time at all on it before everything went to crap.

When you show up on Thessia the battle is pretty much already a lost cause and the Asari are hanging on by a thread. If we showed up earlier and got a sense that we were turning things around and the fight was going in our favour then we get beat and have to run there would have been a much better sense of loss.

As it stands we lose the planet and my honest reaction from a military standpoint is, that was the likely outcome from the start. You can't win an urban battle with light infantry and air assets and a species that's not suited or has the mindset for a heavy attritional slugging match. The Asari just aren't capable of putting up a street by street fight and taking tens of thousands of losses per city. They even admit it themselves that they just aren't physically capable of fighting like that and they aren't ready for it by any measure.

They should have done a much better job of showing how desperate the Asari situation was and how alien this kind of warfare is to them.

Agreed.  Right now it just plays as the Reapers are invading Thessia, with the expected casualties.  Same thing's been happening to Earth since day 1.  Palaven's been hit just as hard.  So when Liara is distraught about her people dying, it seems a little...  off.  Like, yeah, Liara.  People are dying in this war.  They've been dying since day 1.

[Aristobulus500]

Here's the thing though - yes, we learn the Asari are physically better due to Prothean meddling, and that the Protheans protected them, but that's not anything that should really change the Asari's position in society. Regardless of why they are as they are, they still are. It might be a blow to Asari egos to learn about that, but that's about it. It doesn't really change the present with them.

But the beacon...for one thing, you have to activate it. It took Shepard, with the cipher, or Javik, to activate it. Meaning, it took a prothean presence, so it can be likely that the Asari lacked the means to activate the VI. In which case, they really didn't get a huge boost from the tech.

If they did activate the VI somehow and learned from that - well as you admit, they seem to have shared everything they learned from it anyway, they just didn't say it came from a prothean beacon on their planet.

And since they seem to be sharing all their tech anyway, what's the big deal here? Who cares? And why bother keeping that beacon a secret if you're sharing all the tech anyway? It just doesn't make sense.

I feel like they wanted the beacon to be a reveal of "this is why, in the present, a specific race is so much more powerful than the rest, and if this leaked, they would probably be toppled and lose their standing maybe even face war and extinction" except...that's not what is actually shown, because the Asari DON'T seem to be particularly more advanced than the other races, if at all, and it doesn't make sense that the prothean beacon could give them that much of an advantage anyway.

[Arcataye]

Thessia?
Would've loved to see much more of it during the trilogy. But all we got was that little mission with a crappy "bossfight".


dA

Modifié par Arcataye, 24 avril 2012 - 04:19 .

[TheMarshal]

I dunno... Finding out that your entire religion is based on a lie might have some lasting effects on the asari populace...

[Aristobulus500]

TheMarshal wrote...

Agreed.  Right now it just plays as the Reapers are invading Thessia, with the expected casualties.  Same thing's been happening to Earth since day 1.  Palaven's been hit just as hard.  So when Liara is distraught about her people dying, it seems a little...  off.  Like, yeah, Liara.  People are dying in this war.  They've been dying since day 1.

Do I have to repeat myself here? There's a huge difference between Thessia and Palaven/Earth.

Thessia is lost. Earth and Palaven aren't. Earth and Palaven are hit hard, but there's defenses being mounted to defend/retake them. The entire point of going to Tuchanka is to get Krogans to defend Palaven, so that you can get both races to help defend and retake Earth. The entire game is about mounting a force to defend and retake Earth.

Thessia? No such luck. Shepard leaves Thessia and that's it. There's no effort being made to go retake Thessia. Shepard isn't doing anything else for Thessia, and no forces are being allocated there like have been sent to Palaven and are building to be sent to Earth.

Thessia will only be regained as part of the general spoils that would be regained if the galaxy defeats the Reapers. It is in pretty much exactly the same state as the Batarian homeworld, basically, if you want a comparison, because nobody is helping the batarians and nobody is helping the Asari.

[Aristobulus500]

Arcataye wrote...

Thessia?
Would've loved to see much more of it during the trilogy. But all we got was that little mission with a crappy "bossfight".

I REALLY like this image for a look at peaceful Thessia, and especially love the casual dress there, but I have one complaint.

Does that Asari really look like Liara to you? To me, it doesn't. It looks like a random Asari, that isn't Liara. That didn't bother me at all until I found out it was supposed to be Liara though.

And I'm having trouble saying why it doesn't look like Liara to me, but it just doesn't. I think it's something in the face or something.

[Tyranniac]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Here's the thing though - yes, we learn the Asari are physically better due to Prothean meddling, and that the Protheans protected them, but that's not anything that should really change the Asari's position in society. Regardless of why they are as they are, they still are. It might be a blow to Asari egos to learn about that, but that's about it. It doesn't really change the present with them.

But the beacon...for one thing, you have to activate it. It took Shepard, with the cipher, or Javik, to activate it. Meaning, it took a prothean presence, so it can be likely that the Asari lacked the means to activate the VI. In which case, they really didn't get a huge boost from the tech.

If they did activate the VI somehow and learned from that - well as you admit, they seem to have shared everything they learned from it anyway, they just didn't say it came from a prothean beacon on their planet.

And since they seem to be sharing all their tech anyway, what's the big deal here? Who cares? And why bother keeping that beacon a secret if you're sharing all the tech anyway? It just doesn't make sense.

I feel like they wanted the beacon to be a reveal of "this is why, in the present, a specific race is so much more powerful than the rest, and if this leaked, they would probably be toppled and lose their standing maybe even face war and extinction" except...that's not what is actually shown, because the Asari DON'T seem to be particularly more advanced than the other races, if at all, and it doesn't make sense that the prothean beacon could give them that much of an advantage anyway.

Well, I can agree that it doesn't really make much sense they kept it secret (The only reason I can think of is some deep-rooted cultural shame of being "enlightened" by the Protheans). I don't really agree that they couldn't have learned things from the beacon without activating the VI though. I imagine they could have managed to extract bits and pieces from it.

I do think it could also be that the beacon was simply set to provide information to keep the asari advancing at a steady rate, but not inform them of the Reapers too soon because if they became aware of it before being developed enough to be harvested, this could probably make the Reapers invade sooner than planned or at least intervene somehow if they learned of it in order to prevent organized resistance.

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Arcataye wrote...

Thessia?
Would've loved to see much more of it during the trilogy. But all we got was that little mission with a crappy "bossfight". [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/sad.png[/smilie]

I REALLY like this image for a look at peaceful Thessia, and especially love the casual dress there, but I have one complaint.

Does that Asari really look like Liara to you? To me, it doesn't. It looks like a random Asari, that isn't Liara. That didn't bother me at all until I found out it was supposed to be Liara though.

And I'm having trouble saying why it doesn't look like Liara to me, but it just doesn't. I think it's something in the face or something.

 

Huh, that supposed to be Liara? I agree it doesn't look like her. Great picture though.

Modifié par Tyranniac, 24 avril 2012 - 04:23 .

[Achossa]

felipejiraya wrote...

I remember that female asari that was buying guns on Illium saying she was 60 and had just leave their parents' house.

You didn't just say 'female Asari', did you?

[Arcataye]

Aristobulus500 wrote...
Does that Asari really look like Liara to you? To me, it doesn't. It looks like a random Asari, that isn't Liara. That didn't bother me at all until I found out it was supposed to be Liara though.

And I'm having trouble saying why it doesn't look like Liara to me, but it just doesn't. I think it's something in the face or something.

Don't get all hostile, it doesn't look like Liara to me either, but it's the artists vision and I respect that. I won't argue as the art itself is breathtaking. Even tho he has named it as liara.jpg on his site, on dA it's called just "Asari". Maybe as a precaution against angry comments.

Can't stop staring at the background, clouds, bridge, spaceship.. damn.

Modifié par Arcataye, 24 avril 2012 - 04:27 .

[TheMarshal]

edit: Screw it, I don't feel like having that be the totp.

Have a comic instead:


MassEffect: Bearable
~Hornhell

Modifié par TheMarshal, 24 avril 2012 - 04:29 .

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Akernis wrote...
It is as if the Reapers land and then boom every asari of Thessia; gone.

From a military standpoint though I can see how that conclusion can be reached and basically when the Reapers land the command and control structure implodes and the Asari's small standing army has basically had the fight kicked out of it. Whereas on Earth and Palaven the command and control either surivives initial contact to some degree or reestablishes itself and the standing forces are large enough to absorb what are essentially catastrophic losses while maintaining some semblance of veterancy.

That's the most critcal part of reorganizing a shattered unit, you have to have people who know what they're doing that you can reform the unit around, senior NCOs and Officers that can direct green recruits effectively and maintain the unit as a fighting force. Which is how things would play out on Earth and Palaven, combat units are wiped out as effective forces but the survivors rebuild the unit and the experience of said survivors allows them to direct civilians and reserve troops effectively.

On Thessia the standing army is already small and it's almost total destruction by the Reapers leaves the large civilian population without any leadership and command structure at all. There isn't a big enough core of people who know what to do, so most civilian resistance is going to be ineffective and short lived. Especially when that enemy force is interested in extermination not occupation. Then you factor in that even that standing army probably has little direct experience with full scale urban warfare operations, if any at all.

It's pretty much hopeless once the army is wiped out, that cold truth is the chances of any effective resistance are very low for Thessia.