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[Akernis]

TheMarshal wrote...
So when Liara is distraught about her people dying, it seems a little...  off.  Like, yeah, Liara.  People are dying in this war.  They've been dying since day 1.

I didn't think that was particularly off, no matter how compasionate Liara is it would always hit home harder when seeing her own people die.
So far it has only happened to other people and even then she has only known about intellectually, she hasn't actually experienced it. She was not on Earth and what she saw on Palavan's moon was trained soldiers holding their own against husks, not even near the same as seeing your home world burn around you with no hope of victory.
Also Liara is not a soldier, while she may been an good fighter and has seen death alongside Shepard and co. she has never experienced war or slaughter in that way before. Unlike Shepard and nearly every other member of your friends who are career warriors.

Even for me it hit harder with Thessia's fall than Earth because the asari is a peaceful race.
While humans are not exactly Turans or Krogan they are still a culture used to war, the asari are not.

[Tyranniac]

adneate wrote...

Akernis wrote...
It is as if the Reapers land and then boom every asari of Thessia; gone.

From a military standpoint though I can see how that conclusion can be reached and basically when the Reapers land the command and control structure implodes and the Asari's small standing army has basically had the fight kicked out of it. Whereas on Earth and Palaven the command and control either surivives initial contact to some degree or reestablishes itself and the standing forces are large enough to absorb what are essentially catastrophic losses while maintaining some semblance of veterancy.

That's the most critcal part of reorganizing a shattered unit, you have to have people who know what they're doing that you can reform the unit around, senior NCOs and Officers that can direct green recruits effectively and maintain the unit as a fighting force. Which is how things would play out on Earth and Palaven, combat units are wiped out as effective forces but the survivors rebuild the unit and the experience of said survivors allows them to direct civilians and reserve troops effectively.

On Thessia the standing army is already small and it's almost total destruction by the Reapers leaves the large civilian population without any leadership and command structure at all. There isn't a big enough core of people who know what to do, so most civilian resistance is going to be ineffective and short lived. Especially when that enemy force is interested in extermination not occupation. Then you factor in that even that standing army probably has little direct experience with full scale urban warfare operations, if any at all.

It's pretty much hopeless once the army is wiped out, that cold truth is the chances of any effective resistance are very low for Thessia.

Incorrect. They would certainly be just as interested in harvesting on Thessia as on other worlds.

(The rest of it, I agree with though.)

[Arcataye]

TheMarshal wrote...

MassEffect: Bearable~Hornhell

Seen it before, but it still somehow makes me sad beyond words...

Could someone recommend some good happy Liara short fanfics? I don't feel like doing anything so it's a great moment to read something.. I can't get to start Dark Energy as the sheer size of it intimidates me.

Modifié par Arcataye, 24 avril 2012 - 04:42 .

[Akernis]

adneate wrote...

Akernis wrote...
It is as if the Reapers land and then boom every asari of Thessia; gone.

Especially when that enemy force is interested in extermination not occupation. Then you factor in that even that standing army probably has little direct experience with full scale urban warfare operations, if any at all.

It's pretty much hopeless once the army is wiped out, that cold truth is the chances of any effective resistance are very low for Thessia.

The reapers were never interested extermination... unless by extermination you mean reaperfying anything that moves... in which case I see your point.
I can see what you mean, but still while the Asari as a whole are in no way a militaristic society their troops, however few are still the best in the galaxy.
We also don't know how much of the asari military command is destroyed, only that communication and the like is dead (which is the case for Earth and Palavan as well) even Kai Leng mention in that stupid mail that the asari high command are doing everything they can, though of course I would not exactly call him reliable. 

[Aristobulus500]

That Thessia/Asari artwork - I have to say this. It just makes me resent what they did with Thessia in the games even more.

Can you imagine how wonderful and amazing it would be to get to explore that peaceful Thessia in that picture, with Asari wearing all kinds of casual clothes because they aren't on a space station or anything like that? To really get to see the heart of Asari culture?

Even for me it hit harder with Thessia's fall than Earth because the asari is a peaceful race.
While humans are not exactly Turans or Krogan they are still a culture used to war, the asari are not.

This is true. While the Asari certainly have a seedier underside too - look at Aria, and other dealing the Asari have had, it's nothing like the wars and atrocities humans, turians, and salarians have committed. The Asari race just feels more pure than the others - though not completely so. Still means it hurts more to see their culture lost than the rest.

[adneate]

Tyranniac wrote...
Incorrect. They would certainly be just as interested in harvesting on Thessia as on other worlds.

It's the same end result and the same methodology though, the Reapers do not take over existing power structures or impose law on the civilian populace. They harvest and destroy that population. Whereas an occupation force spreads out to establish control over an area and stands down from full scale combat operations the Reapers basically operate exactly the same. They just blow up less things now. They aren't giving the civilians any breating room or time to organize, they are keeping the pressure on them the whole time which makes it much harder to organize some sort of resistance to them.

[TheMarshal]

Arcataye wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

MassEffect: Bearable~Hornhell

Seen it before, but it still somehow makes me sad beyond words...

Could anyone recommend some good happy Liara short fanfics? I feel like reading something but..

Happy comics?  I actually don't know.  I've written a few fluffy pieces (check my sig for a link to Worlds Apart).

Interesting to note after checking my favorite stories page that none of my favorite stories are either short or fluffy...  Wonder what that says about me?  : P

[BeDotWe]

Hey, does anyone recall Liara and Shepard sweet talking to each other during missions? Like between Tali and Shepard during the dreadnought mission here : http://www.youtube.c...1lMO6XKGI#t=71s

[Arcataye]

Aristobulus500 wrote...
That Thessia/Asari artwork - I have to say this. It just makes me resent what they did with Thessia in the games even more.
Can you imagine how wonderful and amazing it would be to get to explore that peaceful Thessia in that picture, with Asari wearing all kinds of casual clothes because they aren't on a space station or anything like that? To really get to see the heart of Asari culture?

Yeah. The only time we get to go and see Thessia for ourselves it's already in ruins and the whole mission is just way too short, some parts of it are weird and then that crappy ninja comes jumping around. What the hell..
Hey, maybe it's... Thessia missionpack DLC release in december. <_<

Modifié par Arcataye, 24 avril 2012 - 04:48 .

[Tyranniac]

adneate wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...
Incorrect. They would certainly be just as interested in harvesting on Thessia as on other worlds.

It's the same end result and the same methodology though, the Reapers do not take over existing power structures or impose law on the civilian populace. They harvest and destroy that population. Whereas an occupation force spreads out to establish control over an area and stands down from full scale combat operations the Reapers basically operate exactly the same. They just blow up less things now. They aren't giving the civilians any breating room or time to organize, they are keeping the pressure on them the whole time which makes it much harder to organize some sort of resistance to them.

True to some extent, but on heavily populated planets the Reapers do seem to act more like an occupying force (still far from how a normal enemy would act surely, but still). Look at Earth: They set up processing centers and started indoctrinating governments to bring new laws into effect and spread propaganda. After destroying military installations the Reapers don't really appear to conduct much full scale combat. I'm guessing the situation on Thessia would be similar.

[Arcataye]

TheMarshal wrote...

Happy comics?  I actually don't know.  I've written a few fluffy pieces (check my sig for a link to Worlds Apart).

Interesting to note after checking my favorite stories page that none of my favorite stories are either short or fluffy...  Wonder what that says about me?  : P

Thank you for checking.
I've read Worlds Apart a while ago and it's beautiful, but also so happy it made me cry. :/
I'll just go read through all your stories as the two I've read so far are among my favourites.

Modifié par Arcataye, 24 avril 2012 - 04:59 .

[Akernis]

Arcataye wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...
That Thessia/Asari artwork - I have to say this. It just makes me resent what they did with Thessia in the games even more.
Can you imagine how wonderful and amazing it would be to get to explore that peaceful Thessia in that picture, with Asari wearing all kinds of casual clothes because they aren't on a space station or anything like that? To really get to see the heart of Asari culture?

Yeah. The only time we get to go and see Thessia for ourselves it's already in ruins and the whole mission is just way too short, some parts of it are weird and then that crappy ninja comes jumping around. What the hell..

Agreed, with both of you. Thessia would have been a wonderful place to explore. the planet is even called the jewel of the galaxy and all we get to see are a smoking ruin

Modifié par Akernis, 24 avril 2012 - 05:09 .

[Ajosraa]

*jumps into Thessia/Asari casulities discussion* ;P

Heya folks, good day to yee;P

Is it ever stated anywhere how many Humans, or Asari are left on their homeworlds by the end of the game? Or how long they will last?

I think I heard an estimate that the entire Earth could face depopulation by the Reapers within 10 years. Estimates for the length of ME3 I belive is something between 6 months to Maybe a year.

That means that basicly a little more then 1 billion Humans would have been killed/harvested on Earth in a year, if you use the 10 year estimate to approximate the rate by assuming a 1/10 Earth population decline each year.

There were 11.5 (estimate off top of my head) billion people on Earth at the opening of ME3, and around 6.5 billion Asari on Their home planet of Thessia.

If Thessia's population declined by 1/10 a year, then after ME3 There would be about 0.65 billion Asari dead/harvested. Thats using a relative rate. If Thessia had the same absolute rate of extermination as Earth (1.15 billion a year exactly) then Thessia would face depopulation in just under 6 years.

It looks grim...But it does at least look like a large chunk of Asari on Thessia would still be alive by the time Shepard gets the Crucible to fire. Though It could be about half of the population or even less that survives. Ouchy.

PS: I think that this experience will scar the Asari and could potentially cause a rethinking of their policy of being "light on war". This may act to push some of the Asari to a more militant mindset imo. But thats just a thought I got atm while thinking about a Post- Reaper invasion Thessia.

Modifié par Ajosraa, 24 avril 2012 - 05:09 .

[adneate]

Tyranniac wrote...
Look at Earth: They set up processing centers and started indoctrinating governments to bring new laws into effect and spread propaganda. After destroying military installations the Reapers don't really appear to conduct much full scale combat. I'm guessing the situation on Thessia would be similar.

A good point though it's still a pretty aggressive operational tempo, the Asari are in a similar state just way less equipped for it than everyone else. The more militaristic species have clear tools to bounce back with or at least keep their forces fighting and bog the Reapers down in a no holds barred killing match. The Asari just don't have the same tools and what they do have they don't seem to have enough of, it's a tall order to match what the Humans and Turians are doing on their homeworlds.

I wouldn't want to be Asari High Command when that mess shows up on the table, their instinct might be to send in forces to open evac lanes but the sensible option would be to just leave Thessia and it's population to their fate. Hoping that even a largely helpless populace will still take quite some time to be processed by the reapers.

[Tyranniac]

adneate wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...
Look at Earth: They set up processing centers and started indoctrinating governments to bring new laws into effect and spread propaganda. After destroying military installations the Reapers don't really appear to conduct much full scale combat. I'm guessing the situation on Thessia would be similar.

A good point though it's still a pretty aggressive operational tempo, the Asari are in a similar state just way less equipped for it than everyone else. The more militaristic species have clear tools to bounce back with or at least keep their forces fighting and bog the Reapers down in a no holds barred killing match. The Asari just don't have the same tools and what they do have they don't seem to have enough of, it's a tall order to match what the Humans and Turians are doing on their homeworlds.

I wouldn't want to be Asari High Command when that mess shows up on the table, their instinct might be to send in forces to open evac lanes but the sensible option would be to just leave Thessia and it's population to their fate. Hoping that even a largely helpless populace will still take quite some time to be processed by the reapers.

Yeah, I agree that they have an agressive tempo, and that the asari are ill-equipped to stay in the fight.

[The Lightspeaker]

Erenbe wrote...

Pretty much what you experienced. I actually liked Jacob to some extent after ME2.If you overlook the creepy flirty voice that Shep shows when talking to him it was bearable.

To be honest, I'd forgotten how irritating that all is until I started my new ME2 runthrough. I actually don't mind Jacob as a character but just trying to be friendly with him gets overwhelmingly flirty; some of the choices are literally "which one of these is supposed to be the one to tell him to back down? They're ALL come-ons."

rubynorman wrote...

I could never make a renegade Shep, it just wasn't myself I won't do these things in real life. I can't play like that.

I can relate to that. I've often tried to be the "antihero" type in games that allow it and whenever I do I just can't stick with it. It doesn't work for me. In games where I'm flat out the villain I'm ok; but the antihero thing just doesn't feel comfortable.

[Barquiel]

Ajosraa wrote...

*jumps into Thessia/Asari casulities discussion* ;P

Heya folks, good day to yee;P

Is it ever stated anywhere how many Humans, or Asari are left on their homeworlds by the end of the game? Or how long they will last?

In the leaked script, Shepard said 400 million asari died on Thessia...but the line doesn't appear in the game.

I found it a bit hard to believe that there is no resistance on Thessia. We know the asari are fighting guerrilla wars on some of the colony worlds...but Thessia is simply lost?

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Lusia
http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Cyone
http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Niacal
http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Trategos

Modifié par Barquiel, 24 avril 2012 - 05:18 .

[Aristobulus500]

I tried only once playing a renegade Shep. I just can't do it, though. He's too evil and I found myself wanting him to fail. It was one runthrough of ME1 and I hated him so much I never imported him and I've never switched from a paragon, Liara romancer again.

I just don't see how people can enjoy a full renegade Shep. He's a straight up sociopath, he's not a hero at all. He rather reminds me of Kratos from God of War, and I just find that disturbing. I also find it disturbing when people think Kratos is some kind of relateable badass or something. Same for Ren. Shep.

[sillymonkboy]

@TheMarshal - What is your favorite stories page?

[Akernis]

adneate wrote...
I wouldn't want to be Asari High Command when that mess shows up on the table, their instinct might be to send in forces to open evac lanes but the sensible option would be to just leave Thessia and it's population to their fate. Hoping that even a largely helpless populace will still take quite some time to be processed by the reapers.

What do you mean by sensible? in order to save military resources or ...?

[Tyranniac]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

I tried only once playing a renegade Shep. I just can't do it, though. He's too evil and I found myself wanting him to fail. It was one runthrough of ME1 and I hated him so much I never imported him and I've never switched from a paragon, Liara romancer again.

I just don't see how people can enjoy a full renegade Shep. He's a straight up sociopath, he's not a hero at all. He rather reminds me of Kratos from God of War, and I just find that disturbing. I also find it disturbing when people think Kratos is some kind of relateable badass or something. Same for Ren. Shep.

I agree, I can't do it either, and honestly can't see the appeal. Not that I mind if others do of course. There are quite a lot of renegade choices that I don't really have a problem with and normally use, but they are usually related to someone getting what they deserve (Examples: Shooting Fist, Leaving Jacob's father, Scolding Ashley about her racism, Treating Harkin the way he deserves). I of course do not make choices based on if they are paragon or renegade but on what I feel is appropriate for Shepard (and I usually form Shepard's personality by mixing my own with the experiences Shepard has been through).

Can't play a proper renegade though.

[Sunnie]

Barquiel wrote...

Ajosraa wrote...

*jumps into Thessia/Asari casulities discussion* ;P

Heya folks, good day to yee;P

Is it ever stated anywhere how many Humans, or Asari are left on their homeworlds by the end of the game? Or how long they will last?

In the leaked script, Shepard said 400 million asari died on Thessia...but the line doesn't appear in the game.

I found it a bit hard to believe that there is no resistance on Thessia. We know the asari are fighting guerrilla wars on some of the colony worlds...but Thessia is simply lost?

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Lusia
http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Cyone
http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Niacal
http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Trategos

I think the term "Lost" is being used to broadly when describing Thessia's situation.
 The population was estimated at 5.5 billion before the invasion, and if 400 million were lost, that's still 5.1 billion surviving. The planet and its population are hardly "lost". There's going to be a lot of severe infrastructure damage, and will sustain losses attributed to that, but the Asari are very intelligent and capable of quickly rebuilding their infrastructure and regaining control in short order.

[Aristobulus500]

Yeah, there are some small renegade choices that are okay - and some I even take as a major paragon player - like punching that quarian admiral in the gut for trying to blow Shepard and his squad up.

But it seems like all of the major renegade decisions are very sociopathic and I just can't deal with it. **** like taking Shiala to her knees, and coldly and calmly executing her by shooting her in the back of the head while she just kneels and waits. Like, what the ****. I honestly question the morals of players who try to defend that as okay.

It's even worse than the one where the Renegade shoots Mordin, to me, because at least when Shepard shoots Mordin he seems disgusted over it and like he really doesn't want to do it, he just feels forced into doing it. Executing Shiala - and many others - he seems to take pleasure in. It's downright disgusting.

[Tyranniac]

Sunnie22 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Ajosraa wrote...

*jumps into Thessia/Asari casulities discussion* ;P

Heya folks, good day to yee;P

Is it ever stated anywhere how many Humans, or Asari are left on their homeworlds by the end of the game? Or how long they will last?

In the leaked script, Shepard said 400 million asari died on Thessia...but the line doesn't appear in the game.

I found it a bit hard to believe that there is no resistance on Thessia. We know the asari are fighting guerrilla wars on some of the colony worlds...but Thessia is simply lost?

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Lusia
http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Cyone
http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Niacal
http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Trategos

I think the term "Lost" is being used to broadly when describing Thessia's situation.
 The population was estimated at 5.5 billion before the invasion, and if 400 million were lost, that's still 5.1 billion surviving. The planet and its population are hardly "lost". There's going to be a lot of severe infrastructure damage, and will sustain losses attributed to that, but the Asari are very intelligent and capable of quickly rebuilding their infrastructure and regaining control in short order.

I don't think anyone means lost as in "they're all dead." It's more that there is no defenses left and nothing can be done to protect the civilian population.

Oh, top:

 

Modifié par Tyranniac, 24 avril 2012 - 05:43 .

[FRANCESCO84Inn]

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