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[DarkCloudd]

Tyranniac wrote...

 So I'm replaying ME1 at the moment, and I have to say... it is really boring. Especially when coming straight from ME3. I mean, the storyline and characters and all are great of course, especially the Liara romance, but all the gameplay is so boring. The conversations aren't fluid at all either. It feels great to have tons of dialogue choices though, and the Mako driving is fun as always.

Yea I know what you mean, its a completely different playstyle compared to ME3 but its not all bad. Though I do have to say, the insanity playthrough that I'm currently working on in ME1 is very interesting. I'm not sure if you are serious about the Mako. Its good on most planets but there are times.

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Although what class are you? Playing an adept is hilarious, especially when you team with Liara. But the gunplay is really massively boring in ME1. But, the biotics are never more powerful than they are in ME1, so you might as well take advantage of that.

I know you weren't asking me but I'm currently working on a playthrough for every class so I can see how they progress through the trilogy. The two new classes I have started are Adept and Vanguard right now, but I plan on having at least 1 of every class just to keep me occupied.

Modifié par DarkCloudd, 25 avril 2012 - 07:32 .

[Aristobulus500]

I always like playing a biotic Shep - especially Adept. Not only do I just find biotics to be a very interesting concept in ME - it's a concept that drew me to try the game before I knew much about it, and it's more unique than typical SHOOTY GUN BANG BANG playstyle, but I feel it suits a Shep better that is gonna romance Liara. Gives them even more to connect on.

Can't you just imagine Liara helping Shep out with his biotics?

[Tyranniac]

Wulfram wrote...

What difficulty are you playing ME1 on?

I find it's lots more entertaining on Veteran. Insanity it just takes too long to kill anything.

Well, I started out on Hardcore, but after a while I just couldn't stand the dullness of the combat and switched it down to casual and gave myself a supergun and superspeed. 

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...
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Yeah. ME I liked for the story, the setting, the atmosphere, and especially the characters. The combat is not at all why I liked it.

Although what class are you? Playing an adept is hilarious, especially when you team with Liara. But the gunplay is really massively boring in ME1. But, the biotics are never more powerful than they are in ME1, so you might as well take advantage of that.

 

Well, I'm a soldier... so... yeah. (Not really a fan of biotic Shep, since biotics are never used in cutscenes and that feels strange.

DarkCloudd wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...
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Yea I know what you mean, its a completely different playstyle compared to ME3 but its not all bad. Though I do have to say, the insanity playthrough that I'm currently working on in ME1 is very interesting. I'm not sure if you are serious about the Mako. Its good on most planets but there are times.

 

Of course I'm serious about the Mako! I missed it so much in ME3 

[The Star Treker]

It took me a while but I finally finish editing it and uploaded it. Here is my newest tribute to our favorite blue Asari. :wub:

Mass Effect - Wherever You Will Go (A Liara Tribute)

Modifié par The_Star_Treker, 25 avril 2012 - 07:37 .

[Deltakarma]

Lizardviking wrote...

Deltakarma wrote...

I think they should have made it so that Liara's "Father" was on the Normandy. So she can "look-over" her/his daughter and Shep. Now a mission with her sacrificing herself to save them both as an LI thing.... mother of god that would have been epic. And a nice little cutscene where Liara cries in your sheps arms after losing her father, oh my god I dont think I can talk about this anymore, I might tear up /uploads_user/1070000/1069890/137365.gif

I can wholeheartly agree that we should been able to recruit Aethyta, after all, the Normandy lacks a bartender! 

But the second part? What would killing Aethyta acomplish from a story telling perspective, other than to add drama that I feel is not needed. Just my opinion.

Well you need something to bring them in closer dont you agree to that? Having Liara's father die, along with killing Benezia and the fall of her home planet, dont you think Liara would have been a reck? Might hve to make Aethyta dieing a choice or something since it could be a way for Liara to commit suicide

But lets not think of that [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]

You Shep would give emotional support, and hell, you may even get more lucky before you hit the Cerberus Base Hehehehe

"Increasing the amount of times to have blue babies with every emotional mission" hehehe

But honestly, seeing Aethyta at the bar and how she reacted to you being in Cerberus and her trying to defend her child was gosh darn beautiful. I was like "Father in Law!"

[Aristobulus500]

Man that's creepy, you want more occasions of Liara being an emotional wreck cause Shep might have sex with her more?

That's both absurd and creepy. ****, they have a close relationship so that you shouldn't need some major moment for them to get it on if you really want it, just say you want a time where they have sex with eachother to blow off steam and cause they just like eachother that much. You don't have to traumatize Liara more for it.

[polor89]

[quote]Tyranniac wrote...

[quote]Wulfram wrote...

What difficulty are you playing ME1 on?

I find it's lots more entertaining on Veteran. Insanity it just takes too long to kill anything.
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Well, I started out on Hardcore, but after a while I just couldn't stand the dullness of the combat and switched it down to casual and gave myself a supergun and superspeed. 

You cannnot enjoy ME1 gameplay (VERY BORING) at all if you have play ME2 or ME3 when i did my mass effect marathon 2 weeks ago(i play ME1- ME2- ME3) in ME1 i just used a trainer so i cheated and i had infinitive life and no overheating so the only problem i had was with the F@@@ing drones(at luna base for example) where they shoot at you and you cant get up and i couldnt die so i had to wait around 3 minutes to just get up

[Robhuzz]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Man that's creepy, you want more occasions of Liara being an emotional wreck cause Shep might have sex with her more?

That's both absurd and creepy. ****, they have a close relationship so that you shouldn't need some major moment for them to get it on if you really want it, just say you want a time where they have sex with eachother to blow off steam and cause they just like eachother that much. You don't have to traumatize Liara more for it.

I concur. The implications of that particular post are... disturbing.

I'm not even sure I could stand having Liara become an emotional wreck again. Not because I don't like drama from time to time, but because of the way it was handled in ME3. All the time it's Liara who comforts Shepard. About Earth, about not getting the requested help from the council, about his guilt in working with cerberus. Then the time comes when someone really needs to talk to Liara after Thessia, and all we get is "How many people died because of me" which Shepard replies to with "None"

I mean it didn't require a full fledged romantic scene but would it have been so bad if Shepard had climbed on the bed and sat down next to Liara and hugged her for a bit? I think not.

Sure, she needed someone to snap her out of her guilt and grief but afterwards she really needed a quiet moment and someone to share that grief with.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 25 avril 2012 - 08:00 .

[Grimwick]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

I always like playing a biotic Shep - especially Adept. Not only do I just find biotics to be a very interesting concept in ME - it's a concept that drew me to try the game before I knew much about it, and it's more unique than typical SHOOTY GUN BANG BANG playstyle, but I feel it suits a Shep better that is gonna romance Liara. Gives them even more to connect on.

Can't you just imagine Liara helping Shep out with his biotics?

I sometimes imagine Shep gets headaches from earlier implants/scars from biotics training and Liara helps train her like she offeres Kaiden in ME1. Seems really sweet... in my head. 

[Deltakarma]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Man that's creepy, you want more occasions of Liara being an emotional wreck cause Shep might have sex with her more?

That's both absurd and creepy. ****, they have a close relationship so that you shouldn't need some major moment for them to get it on if you really want it, just say you want a time where they have sex with eachother to blow off steam and cause they just like eachother that much. You don't have to traumatize Liara more for it.

Its for a higher chance of teh blue babies

Anyways, I was joking about all that anyways. But I will stick to what I said first about Aethyta getting onto the Normandy and watching over Liara, since that was/is her initial job. Having her die would be some good effect in the story for Liara. Might actually give a "kill yourself" moment like Tali or Ashley/Kaidan. Honestly, that would have been a good thing to have in my opinion. I love stories that push characters to the edge and make them break down.

Sort of like how Shepard is. If the IT was/is true, then it would be PERFECT. Shepard is pretty much breaking down already, and what better way to finish it off in a way like Indoctrination. Hell, maybe Indoc. Liara.

*shrugs*

Just my style of writing I guess. Gives more conflict and more effects. But in no way I would use Liara as a sex doll just to make her feel better, thats just being a douche. My MShepard may say some mean things, but I wouldnt use Liara like that. I love her to much to use her in a way that makes it seem like I am a sex-crazed Shep, just like how Jack was in ME2.

[Aristobulus500]

Robhuzz wrote...
I concur. The implications of that particular post are... disturbing.

I'm not even sure I could stand having Liara become an emotional wreck again. Not because I don't like drama from time to time, but because of the way it was handled in ME3. All the time it's Liara who comforts Shepard. About Earth, about not getting the requested help from the council, about his guilt in working with cerberus. Then the time comes when someone really needs to talk to Liara after Thessia, and all we get is "How many people died because of me" which Shepard replies to with "None"

I mean it didn't require a full fledged romantic scene but would it have been so bad if Shepard had climbed on the bed and sat down next to Liara and hugged her for a bit? I think not.

Sure, she needed someone to snap her out of her guilt and grief but afterwards she really needed a quiet moment and someone to share that grief with.

Yeah. We really heavily covered why the post-Thessia scene with Liara is pretty disappointing. Everything Liara does is emotional, powerful, and in character...but Shepard? Completely fails. The biggest reason is that the scene just barely changes at all between a Shep that romanced her and a Shep that didn't. They wrote that scene to try to be a catch-all for every Shepard, but in the end it just only works for a Shepard that isn't romancing her.

It's completely awkward and jarring for a Shep that *is* romancing her though, because he just seems really cold and distant and unwilling to really comfort her and help her when she needs it. He really should've sat on the bed with her and physically comforted her and such.

[Akernis]

Robhuzz wrote...
I mean it didn't require a full fledged romantic scene but would it have been so bad if Shepard had climbed on the bed and sat down next to Liara and hugged her for a bit? I think not.

Sure, she needed someone to snap her out of her guilt and grief but afterwards she really needed a quiet moment and someone to share that grief with.

Yeah, the is the thing about the game (beyond the ending of course) that I would have most liked to see change. I would be great to just be able to sit and comfort her.

[Arcataye]

Okay, I was bored so...
Screensaver version of Neehs kiss gif (this one).
DL from Mediafire
Works atleast on Win7 64-bit with 1920x1200 monitor.

"I take no responsibility if it destroys your computer... blah.. blah.. legal stuff, you know the usual."

Neeh, there's a link to your dA for credits. If you don't like it just say so, I'll delete it.

[Aristobulus500]

Deltakarma wrote...Its for a higher chance of teh blue babies

Anyways, I was joking about all that anyways. But I will stick to what I said first about Aethyta getting onto the Normandy and watching over Liara, since that was/is her initial job. Having her die would be some good effect in the story for Liara. Might actually give a "kill yourself" moment like Tali or Ashley/Kaidan. Honestly, that would have been a good thing to have in my opinion. I love stories that push characters to the edge and make them break down.

Sort of like how Shepard is. If the IT was/is true, then it would be PERFECT. Shepard is pretty much breaking down already, and what better way to finish it off in a way like Indoctrination. Hell, maybe Indoc. Liara.

*shrugs*

Just my style of writing I guess. Gives more conflict and more effects. But in no way I would use Liara as a sex doll just to make her feel better, thats just being a douche. My MShepard may say some mean things, but I wouldnt use Liara like that. I love her to much to use her in a way that makes it seem like I am a sex-crazed Shep, just like how Jack was in ME2.

Having Aethyta die just seems unecessary. You already have that same emotional moment with Liara where she's brought to the brink of despair, with Thessia falling. And it's already incredibly poorly handled as far as Shep is concerned.

What you're asking for is a scene that'd essentially be a repeat of the post-Thessia scene. Sure, you can suggest ways that they handle a scene where Shepard helps Liara get over Aethyta's death so that it's more powerful than the post-Thessia scene, but here's something you're missing, with that.

Anything you suggest as something that'd work for a post-Aethyta death scene, would also work as a suggestion on how to improve the concept of Liara being distraught over Thessia being lost and Shepard dealing with that. You don't need both scenes, you just need one of them to work and be really powerful.

[Akernis]

Deltakarma wrote...
Hell, maybe Indoc. Liara.

How can you even suggest that

[Wulfram]

Robhuzz wrote...

Sure, she needed someone to snap her out of her guilt and grief but afterwards she really needed a quiet moment and someone to share that grief with.

I still say Liara's not a sharing grief kind of person.

[lillitheris]

I have to agree about Thessia, I was really disappointed. Another moment was after Mars…I don't know why Shepard snapped at Liara (and basically completely reversed the dynamic where just a moment earlier she had been the one to tell Liara to not lose hope).

I did specifically mention Thessia in the small LI improvements thread but, then again, I guess it's pretty unabashedly written from a Liara perspective anyway

If any of you have suggestions on that, by the by, I'd love to hear them.

[Aristobulus500]

Wulfram wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

Sure, she needed someone to snap her out of her guilt and grief but afterwards she really needed a quiet moment and someone to share that grief with.

I still say Liara's not a sharing grief kind of person.

With most people I'd agree, but not her lover.

[Deltakarma]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Anything you suggest as something that'd work for a post-Aethyta death scene, would also work as a suggestion on how to improve the concept of Liara being distraught over Thessia being lost and Shepard dealing with that. You don't need both scenes, you just need one of them to work and be really powerful.

True, True. I was going to say perhaps have her fight on the lines of Thessia and meet her where you get the other beacon? Perhaps Kai Leng killed all the scientists there, but Aethyta just got there to see whats goin on. And maybe have Kai Leng kill her when he "appears" and Liara getting pissed that it seems she is going to trash the whole place. Your point with the whole "one than two" thing is understandable. If Bioware did do something where it was seperate yet smushed together will most likely have Liara fans screaming "Whut da hell Bioware!?".

How can you even suggest that

My spur of the moment cause I thought of Liara being depressed since Shep was starting to wear down
How about we save Liara by turning into Shepard-Man and saving the day with the "Biotic God"? Would that make you forget^_^

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Aristobulus500 wrote...
Having Aethyta die just seems unecessary. You already have that same emotional moment with Liara where she's brought to the brink of despair, with Thessia falling. And it's already incredibly poorly handled as far as Shep is concerned.

What you're asking for is a scene that'd essentially be a repeat of the post-Thessia scene. Sure, you can suggest ways that they handle a scene where Shepard helps Liara get over Aethyta's death so that it's more powerful than the post-Thessia scene, but here's something you're missing, with that.

Anything you suggest as something that'd work for a post-Aethyta death scene, would also work as a suggestion on how to improve the concept of Liara being distraught over Thessia being lost and Shepard dealing with that. You don't need both scenes, you just need one of them to work and be really powerful.

This.

You do not need constant drama or multiple events in case with one character's storyline, have one powerful and emotional scene where they are distraught and overwhelmed. Having Liara have two moments of such moments is unnecessary.

[Wulfram]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

With most people I'd agree, but not her lover.

Well, she shuts out Shepard pretty hard after Benezia's death.  Even if the romance is ongoing.

[Robhuzz]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...
I concur. The implications of that particular post are... disturbing.

I'm not even sure I could stand having Liara become an emotional wreck again. Not because I don't like drama from time to time, but because of the way it was handled in ME3. All the time it's Liara who comforts Shepard. About Earth, about not getting the requested help from the council, about his guilt in working with cerberus. Then the time comes when someone really needs to talk to Liara after Thessia, and all we get is "How many people died because of me" which Shepard replies to with "None"

I mean it didn't require a full fledged romantic scene but would it have been so bad if Shepard had climbed on the bed and sat down next to Liara and hugged her for a bit? I think not.

Sure, she needed someone to snap her out of her guilt and grief but afterwards she really needed a quiet moment and someone to share that grief with.

Yeah. We really heavily covered why the post-Thessia scene with Liara is pretty disappointing. Everything Liara does is emotional, powerful, and in character...but Shepard? Completely fails. The biggest reason is that the scene just barely changes at all between a Shep that romanced her and a Shep that didn't. They wrote that scene to try to be a catch-all for every Shepard, but in the end it just only works for a Shepard that isn't romancing her.

It's completely awkward and jarring for a Shep that *is* romancing her though, because he just seems really cold and distant and unwilling to really comfort her and help her when she needs it. He really should've sat on the bed with her and physically comforted her and such.

So true. I was very sad to see there was no distinction between romanced and unromanced Liara AT ALL during some of the more beautiful scenes. Among them the time capsule scene. Now I know the Liara romance was the most developed and best romance of the entire trilogy so I have absolutely no reason to complain but I'd think they could at least alter the scenes you had with Liara just a bit. There could've been at least a few hints, a few minor dialogue tweaks to show their romance. Liara was talking about Shepard to record into the time capsule, by all accounts the love of her life when romanced as early as ME1, and you couldn't make that out at all.

The romance was still absolutely beautiful, the cabin scene was great, the gift scene on Earth almost made me cry, but when looking back there are still so many little things they could've done to improve it. So many missed opportunities....

[Deltakarma]

Robhuzz wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...
I concur. The implications of that particular post are... disturbing.

I'm not even sure I could stand having Liara become an emotional wreck again. Not because I don't like drama from time to time, but because of the way it was handled in ME3. All the time it's Liara who comforts Shepard. About Earth, about not getting the requested help from the council, about his guilt in working with cerberus. Then the time comes when someone really needs to talk to Liara after Thessia, and all we get is "How many people died because of me" which Shepard replies to with "None"

I mean it didn't require a full fledged romantic scene but would it have been so bad if Shepard had climbed on the bed and sat down next to Liara and hugged her for a bit? I think not.

Sure, she needed someone to snap her out of her guilt and grief but afterwards she really needed a quiet moment and someone to share that grief with.

Yeah. We really heavily covered why the post-Thessia scene with Liara is pretty disappointing. Everything Liara does is emotional, powerful, and in character...but Shepard? Completely fails. The biggest reason is that the scene just barely changes at all between a Shep that romanced her and a Shep that didn't. They wrote that scene to try to be a catch-all for every Shepard, but in the end it just only works for a Shepard that isn't romancing her.

It's completely awkward and jarring for a Shep that *is* romancing her though, because he just seems really cold and distant and unwilling to really comfort her and help her when she needs it. He really should've sat on the bed with her and physically comforted her and such.

So true. I was very sad to see there was no distinction between romanced and unromanced Liara AT ALL during some of the more beautiful scenes. Among them the time capsule scene. Now I know the Liara romance was the most developed and best romance of the entire trilogy so I have absolutely no reason to complain but I'd think they could at least alter the scenes you had with Liara just a bit. There could've been at least a few hints, a few minor dialogue tweaks to show their romance. Liara was talking about Shepard to record into the time capsule, by all accounts the love of her life when romanced as early as ME1, and you couldn't make that out at all.

The romance was still absolutely beautiful, the cabin scene was great, the gift scene on Earth almost made me cry, but when looking back there are still so many little things they could've done to improve it. So many missed opportunities....

Since I romanced her all the way from 1, and when I first played through 3, I was surprised that she called me "friend", and there seemed to be no different dialouge for relationships at all. It seems the most interaction with Liara is when your on the Citadel, which I think was a beautiful place for it. I still wanted some things that changed.

For example the whole time capsule thing. If you chose the top one where she says stuff about you from her point of view, I was surprised she didnt say something like, "Shepard was more than a dear friend..... and to the others he/she met, they followed him/her to the end." Not even that, even when you sit down and relax. I was hoping for a hand holding moment and her resting her head on your shoulders. 

Another reason why I wish crew interaction was a bit like ME2. Everytime I visisted someone, they always had something to say. It seems like Garrus did. I went to Liara after every mission and was mad that I wasted a loading screen on seeing if she was talkable.

[Dude on Fire]

I cried for Liara when 'An End Once And For All' started playing. So much was destroyed... but I cried for her.

[Robhuzz]

Wulfram wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

Sure, she needed someone to snap her out of her guilt and grief but afterwards she really needed a quiet moment and someone to share that grief with.

I still say Liara's not a sharing grief kind of person.

What exactly makes you think that? She didn't openly share her grief over the death of her mother in ME1 but in the cabin scene after Lotsb and during Lotsb (though she has tucked it away) it's pretty obvious she's still not completely over the fact that she lost Shepard 2 years ago, and it shows as she starts crying later on in the scene and embraces Shepard's comfort, showing that she does, in fact, share it.