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[Neeh]

TMA LIVE wrote...

I know that bug, but I mean, were there written lines that were never recorded?

There's tons of confirmed cut lines, tough most of 'em are from the leaked script,
Some thread explained how the priority earth mission was drasticly cut down too, I honestly wouldn't mind if they'd set ME3 6 months further back and really fill out the edges :l

[TheMarshal]

I'm sure there were some things that were written but didn't make it to the final game. Maybe they sounded wrong, or maybe they didn't work with certain story changes. No way of knowing, but... speculation!!

[Tyranniac]

Neeh wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I know that bug, but I mean, were there written lines that were never recorded?

There's tons of confirmed cut lines, tough most of 'em are from the leaked script,
Some thread explained how the priority earth mission was drasticly cut down too, I honestly wouldn't mind if they'd set ME3 6 months further back and really fill out the edges :l

I agree.

Also, just have to say, your new avatar is amazing.  

[Arcataye]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

Hey
Liara fans, I have a question for you Liaras last scene in ME3,
where she err does something to shepard? Can anyone explain that to me?

It's a mind-meld, like back in ME1 when she melds
with Shep over the Cipher. And they've done it during sex. Except this
is a full mind meld, she's sharing basically everything she is, with
Shepard, and connecting with him entirely. It's sharing her memories,
her essence, everything - with Shepard. It's really powerful.

Yes, but I guess Terrorize is asking about it from a non-LI perpective.

In that case, it's just her way to say goodbye to her most trusted friend. She won't show it to just random people. It's the same as in ME1 but not about the porthean visions. She ain't raping Shepard or anything if you're afraid of that, I see that argument thrown around everywhere and I'm tired of it.

TMA LIVE wrote...
http://social.biowar.../index/11693226
Any truth to this? Were there written lines that got cut?

Seems like whatever Liara thread will turn to just another "let's flame Liara" -thread. <_<
I hope the negative people never get an idea to come here in force.

Modifié par Arcataye, 26 avril 2012 - 05:01 .

[Grimwick]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

YourFunnyUncle wrote...

I had this as my wallpaper for ages...

Personally, I've used this as my wallpaper for ages. Let's see if this auto scales down to a decent size.

That's an awesome wallpaper! Do you have a link perhaps? :happy: 

[Aristobulus500]

Arcataye wrote...

Seems like whatever Liara thread will turn to just another "let's flame Liara" -thread. <_<
I hope the negative people never get an idea to come here in force.

On the other hand, seeing one of them have the guts to actually try to defend their inane theories here would be interesting. They never will, though - because as I said before, they aren't actually interested in real discussion or changing their minds. They just want to **** on Liara regardless of truths.

[Aristobulus500]

Grimwick wrote...
That's an awesome wallpaper! Do you have a link perhaps? :happy: 

It is a link! Just right click it, copy image location, paste. That takes you to the full size version.

I love it for being a more casual look at Liara's life - that dress, instead of combat armor for a change, with a great view of Illium out the window in the background. Really does feel like a glimpse at what everyday life would be like for an alien civilization like that. Same as the other Asari picture on Thessia, really.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

In the Kaidan romance there was dialog suggesting that Shepard and Kaidan sees each other and spends time together off-screen. I thought that was a nice touch and feel it is a shame that such dialog does not exist between Liara and Shepard in their romance. Anyone else thinking the same?

[Aristobulus500]

Lizardviking wrote...

In the Kaidan romance there was dialog suggesting that Shepard and Kaidan sees each other and spends time together off-screen. I thought that was a nice touch and feel it is a shame that such dialog does not exist between Liara and Shepard in their romance. Anyone else thinking the same?

Absolutely. Especially since so many people seem to have trouble realizing that events and interactions very likely happen between the characters off screen, that you don't get to see as the player. Those kinds of lines really help sell that, and also sell the depth of their relationship that they casually hang out together and such like that.

[TheMarshal]

Lizardviking wrote...

In the Kaidan romance there was dialog suggesting that Shepard and Kaidan sees each other and spends time together off-screen. I thought that was a nice touch and feel it is a shame that such dialog does not exist between Liara and Shepard in their romance. Anyone else thinking the same?

Yeah, though I imagine the same could be said for most of the romances.  And I agree with Aristobulus that its absence only serves to foster the impression that the only things that happen in the universe are the things that we see happening.

[Tyranniac]

Lizardviking wrote...

In the Kaidan romance there was dialog suggesting that Shepard and Kaidan sees each other and spends time together off-screen. I thought that was a nice touch and feel it is a shame that such dialog does not exist between Liara and Shepard in their romance. Anyone else thinking the same?

That would have been nice, although I don't really think they did spend much time together off-screen (if you're talking about ME3). I'm sure Shepard came over to Liara's office and maybe just kept her company for a little while, but I got the feeling that they were both too busy to spend much time together, and that the weight of what they were doing made it hard for them to relax, which makes the few moments they have together all the more touching in my opinion.

Just to clarify: I do think a line like that would have been great sine there certainly was some such interaction, but I think that a Shepard with Liara probably spent less time with their LI off-screen than some others.

[FRANCESCO84Inn]

BioWare have developed ME2 in 3 years, ME3 only in 2 years, time and money have cut ME3, and more story element in the trilogy,

honestly ME not was have a good life, cut and change storyline element, chage and cut in the game-play, ghage in the graphics,

for me BioWare have dispelled too many energie in part not necessary like ME Galaxy, ME Infiltrator, another project cut,

Mass Effect trilogy was have the priority.

So in ME and in ME3 I would have liked more and more romance moment whit Liara in the Citadel and in the Normandy, some scen whit kiss and more dialogue about the past of Liara and Shepard.

Modifié par FRANCESCO84Inn, 26 avril 2012 - 05:17 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

In the Kaidan romance there was dialog suggesting that Shepard and Kaidan sees each other and spends time together off-screen. I thought that was a nice touch and feel it is a shame that such dialog does not exist between Liara and Shepard in their romance. Anyone else thinking the same?

Absolutely. Especially since so many people seem to have trouble realizing that events and interactions very likely happen between the characters off screen, that you don't get to see as the player. Those kinds of lines really help sell that, and also sell the depth of their relationship that they casually hang out together and such like that.

Would be cool if we heard that Liara and Shepard have spend time together, perhaps they had a cup of coffee over in Liara's cabin?

[Grimwick]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Grimwick wrote...
That's an awesome wallpaper! Do you have a link perhaps? :happy: 

It is a link! Just right click it, copy image location, paste. That takes you to the full size version.

I love it for being a more casual look at Liara's life - that dress, instead of combat armor for a change, with a great view of Illium out the window in the background. Really does feel like a glimpse at what everyday life would be like for an alien civilization like that. Same as the other Asari picture on Thessia, really.

Oh, right, thanks! 

I really like the aesthetic, so casual.

[Aristobulus500]

Tyranniac wrote...
That would have been nice, although I don't really think they did spend much time together off-screen (if you're talking about ME3). I'm sure Shepard came over to Liara's office and maybe just kept her company for a little while, but I got the feeling that they were both too busy to spend much time together, and that the weight of what they were doing made it hard for them to relax, which makes the few moments they have together all the more touching in my opinion.

Just to clarify: I do think a line like that would have been great sine there certainly was some such interaction, but I think that a Shepard with Liara probably spent less time with their LI off-screen than some others.

You might be right - to an extent. It's ridiculous to think they never had any downtime to spend together. ****, even in scenes you see in game, you see that the squad occasionaly DOES get downtime. Even Liara, as sometimes she'll leave her office just to go chill in the lounge - remember the scene of her and Garrus just chilling out there? Even Liara knows that she needs to take breaks every now and then.

So it's ridiculous to think that during one of her breaks, she'd never go spend time with her lover if she can think to spend time with Garrus.

Also, keep in mind the scale here - the game very likely takes place over a longer time period than you imagine, so when you say "they don't spend time together" that's a taller statement than you may realize. I don't know the ME3 timeline, but consider this as a reference - Mass Effect 1. It FEELS like it takes around a week or so to complete.

It actually takes months. There's lots of downtime in ME1 that you don't see, lots of time for the squad - and Shep/Liara to spend time together - off screen. The same most definitely holds true for ME3.

Though I will admit that Shep/Liara might spend less time together relative to other Shep/LI combos due to being busy more often, I don't think they spent no time together.

[FRANCESCO84Inn]

i update my Female Shepard and Liara gallery on BSN :

http://social.biowar.../albums/1326084

http://social.biowar.../albums/1325665

[Ecrulis]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Ecrulis wrote...

In terms of the mind meld I have it headcannoned that Liara is pregnant by priority: earth. Also found this on fanfiction.net,

http://www.fanfictio...3_Liaras_Ending

I happened to like it

Not the most well written fan-fic, but the basic events in there are exactly the type of ending that should've been possible in the game if you were a completionist and had a really high EMS. That kind of Star Wars ending is perfect for the soft sci-fi space opera that is Mass Effect. This nonsensical downer ending for the sake of being "artistic" and "deep" is just garbage and I'll never accept it.

Far as I'm concerned, indoctrination theory was true, then Shepard wakes up and basically what happens in that fanfic happens.

That was basically why i liked it, I have a few edits in my head in terms of diologue and flow of the events, but all in all this is what should have happened would actually make EMS mean something

[TheMarshal]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

You might be right - to an extent. It's ridiculous to think they never had any downtime to spend together. ****, even in scenes you see in game, you see that the squad occasionaly DOES get downtime. Even Liara, as sometimes she'll leave her office just to go chill in the lounge - remember the scene of her and Garrus just chilling out there? Even Liara knows that she needs to take breaks every now and then.

So it's ridiculous to think that during one of her breaks, she'd never go spend time with her lover if she can think to spend time with Garrus.

Also, keep in mind the scale here - the game very likely takes place over a longer time period than you imagine, so when you say "they don't spend time together" that's a taller statement than you may realize. I don't know the ME3 timeline, but consider this as a reference - Mass Effect 1. It FEELS like it takes around a week or so to complete.

It actually takes months. There's lots of downtime in ME1 that you don't see, lots of time for the squad - and Shep/Liara to spend time together - off screen. The same most definitely holds true for ME3.

Though I will admit that Shep/Liara might spend less time together relative to other Shep/LI combos due to being busy more often, I don't think they spent no time together.

I imagine each of the games takes 6-12 months start to finish, not counting any period in which Shepard was dead.  Despite Liara's workaholic nature, I can't imagine she and Shepard spent no time together, even if it was only during moments like this:

[Ecrulis]

TheMarshal wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

You might be right - to an extent. It's ridiculous to think they never had any downtime to spend together. ****, even in scenes you see in game, you see that the squad occasionaly DOES get downtime. Even Liara, as sometimes she'll leave her office just to go chill in the lounge - remember the scene of her and Garrus just chilling out there? Even Liara knows that she needs to take breaks every now and then.

So it's ridiculous to think that during one of her breaks, she'd never go spend time with her lover if she can think to spend time with Garrus.

Also, keep in mind the scale here - the game very likely takes place over a longer time period than you imagine, so when you say "they don't spend time together" that's a taller statement than you may realize. I don't know the ME3 timeline, but consider this as a reference - Mass Effect 1. It FEELS like it takes around a week or so to complete.

It actually takes months. There's lots of downtime in ME1 that you don't see, lots of time for the squad - and Shep/Liara to spend time together - off screen. The same most definitely holds true for ME3.

Though I will admit that Shep/Liara might spend less time together relative to other Shep/LI combos due to being busy more often, I don't think they spent no time together.

I imagine each of the games takes 6-12 months start to finish, not counting any period in which Shepard was dead.  Despite Liara's workaholic nature, I can't imagine she and Shepard spent no time together, even if it was only during moments like this:

This is how I see it too, while they may not have as much down time as they'd like they definitely spend as many nights together as they can.

[polor89]

The events of ME3 actually are probably around 6 to 7 months in the final goodbye with tali shepard says something about returning to earth a few months

[Tyranniac]

Okay, once again: I never said they didn't have any time together off-screen, I just think they had very little.

Modifié par Tyranniac, 26 avril 2012 - 05:53 .

[polor89]

[quote]frudi wrote...

[quote]
[quote]Terrorize69 wrote...

Hey
Liara fans, I have a question for you Liaras last scene in ME3,
where she err does something to shepard? Can anyone explain that to me?
[/quote]

It's a mind-meld, like back in ME1 when she melds
with Shep over the Cipher. And they've done it during sex. Except this
is a full mind meld, she's sharing basically everything she is, with
Shepard, and connecting with him entirely. It's sharing her memories,
her essence, everything - with Shepard. It's really powerful.[/quote]

Yes, but I guess Terrorize is asking about it from a non-LI perpective.

In that case, it's just her way to say goodbye to her most trusted friend. She won't show it to just random people. It's the same as in ME1 but not about the porthean visions. She ain't raping Shepard or anything if you're afraid of that, I see that argument thrown around everywhere and I'm tired of it.[/quote]
Through ME2 and ME3 it seemed obvious to me that Liara loves Shepard, even if (s)he (meaning Shepard) is involved with someone else, and the non-LI version of the gift scene imho just reinforces that idea. I guess that's part of why some people would find the scene disturbing; in my mind it's just a matter of cultural differences between humans and asari and how each express affection (romantic or platonic) differently.
I don't understand the people complaining about it though - you can ask Liara for clarification beforehand and you can always say no if the idea makes you uncomfortable. I for one found the non-LI version just as beautiful and meaningful as the LI one, even if I only watched it on youtube (I honestly doubt that my one Tali romancing Shep will ever get a chance to make it through ME3, so chances are I'll never see that version in-game).
And the idea of her using Shep to conceive there, is to me just too nonsensical to even bother debating in this thread.[/quote]

The idea of liara raping shepards mind or whatever else is IDIOTIC in ME1 you connect minds a few times and when she asked you before the final battle is "creepy"?
As frudi said the non-LI version of her gift is absolutely amazing and matches the LI
I dont get why all this fuss is about

[Sunnie]

Actually, theres quite a few times others candidly comment on the time Shepard and Liara spend together off screen, some of it rather directly pointing at sexy time.


omg top again:

Modifié par Sunnie22, 26 avril 2012 - 06:01 .

[TheMarshal]

frudi wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...

But... there's still a chance for reunion in the Destroy ending. (And yeah, I've moved from completely rejecting the ending to being faintly hopeful about the Extended Cut.)

I do have some hope for the Extended Cut, but honestly, with all of Bioware's statements so far regarding the endings, I am really sceptical that they are even willing and/or capable of accepting just how nonsensical the current endings are.
I fear that EC will just push harder the idea that Synthesis and Control are the actual good endings and Destroy really does destroy the Geth and EDI (and possibly even others that rely on synthetic upgrades). With the current endings, I can easily dismiss Control and Synthesis as being totaly nonsensical and not even achieving the goal (peace), so Destroy is really the only possible choice for me, even without considering that Shepard can survive. But if they fix Control and Synthesis options enough for them to actually make some sense... as much as I (and my Shep) love Liara, if there are other viable options available, the price of Destroy just seems too high.

The problem I have with the "Clarification" DLC is that their vision of Shepard has been made pretty clear both by the Stargazer scene and the little blurb after the credits rolled, as well as various tweets and blurbs from employees of the company.  Bioware seems to view Shepard as a legend rather than a person.  This despite all the personal relationships that we spent the past 5 years building up with these characters.  I imagine this DLC will do little more than explain the glaring plotholes (how people standing by our side teleported to the Normandy as it was fleeing the battle.  WHY the Normandy was fleeing the battle. Etc.) and will most certainly not focus on making the options where Shepard sacrifices herself/himself more palatable.