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[FRANCESCO84Inn]

I don't understand the necessities to only have one real romance moment before the last mission, why not put more lovly moment whit Shepars and Liara on the Citadel and on the Normandy,
more lovly dialogue, and why if Liara is my only Li form ME1 in the capsule dialogue Liara call Shepard fiends, this not have sense, and not have more sense if i retake the romance start from ME1 in ME2 after the Mission abord thr Shadows Broker ship.

[Aristobulus500]

Sunnie22 wrote...

Actually, theres quite a few times others candidly comment on the time Shepard and Liara spend together off screen, some of it rather directly pointing at sexy time.

Come on. You can't say something like this and not go into more detail! Explain what you mean!

omg top again:

This is a rather interesting picture I haven't seen before. The art style is neat.

[Neeh]

I think I still prefer how Dragon age did it's romances. The current ME formula tends to just be a slow build up, then suddenly sexytime before the "point of no return" end. I felt my relationship in DA got alot more acknowledgement aswell, from snick remarks to disgust ^^

[Sunnie]

TheMarshal wrote...
The problem I have with the "Clarification" DLC is that their vision of Shepard has been made pretty clear both by the Stargazer scene and the little blurb after the credits rolled, as well as various tweets and blurbs from employees of the company.  Bioware seems to view Shepard as a legend rather than a person.  This despite all the personal relationships that we spent the past 5 years building up with these characters.  I imagine this DLC will do little more than explain the glaring plotholes (how people standing by our side teleported to the Normandy as it was fleeing the battle.  WHY the Normandy was fleeing the battle. Etc.) and will most certainly not focus on making the options where Shepard sacrifices herself/himself more palatable.

They have been saying all along that they are not changing the ending at all, nor are they going to ADD any additional options, which sort of misses the reason why a lot of people are upset about the ending.  Explaining away why/how space magic happened will not fix anything, and I firmly believe that anyone who is expecting anything more than just "more confusing crap tacked onto the already confusing crap" is seriously setting themselves up for even bigger disappointment. I would love to be wrong, but what they are saying basically hasn't said anything at all beyond being a PR stall tactic.

[Furean]

Hi. It's been a while. Here's a render.

[Ecrulis]

They have been saying all along that they are not changing the ending at all, nor are they going to ADD any additional options, which sort of misses the reason why a lot of people are upset about the ending.  Explaining away why/how space magic happened will not fix anything, and I firmly believe that anyone who is expecting anything more than just "more confusing crap tacked onto the already confusing crap" is seriously setting themselves up for even bigger disappointment. I would love to be wrong, but what they are saying basically hasn't said anything at all beyond being a PR stall tactic.

Sadly I have a feeling this is the case as well I just want one way for Shep to be reunited with Liara! is that so much to ask?

[Aristobulus500]

Neeh wrote...

I think I still prefer how Dragon age did it's romances. The current ME formula tends to just be a slow build up, then suddenly sexytime before the "point of no return" end. I felt my relationship in DA got alot more acknowledgement aswell, from snick remarks to disgust ^^

A mix between the two would be best. DA:O did have some good parts about its' romances, yet I wasn't as invested in those as I was the romance with Liara, and I thought the sex scenes in DA:O were ridiculous whereas I thought Liara's were tasteful and well done.

What I would most like to see taken from DA:O when it comes to its' characters though, and applied to ME, is the way characters regard the player character. For example, their relationship to you is affected by how you act - some will even turn against you if you do something they vehemently disagree with - overall this works to make them stronger, more consistent characters.

I mean, I really believe that heavy renegades should not be able to romance Liara, and paragons should probably not be able to romance Ashley.

Just a kind of thing similar to DA:O and Alpha Protocol, where you do something, make a moral decision, and you see how that changes what your team thinks of you. They like you more or less depending on who they are and what you did.

Furean wrote...

Hi. It's been a while. Here's a render.

This is pretty neat, I like the look at just Shep/Liara enjoying some downtime. You should make more like that.

Modifié par Aristobulus500, 26 avril 2012 - 06:16 .

[FRANCESCO84Inn]

Furean wrote...

Hi. It's been a while. Here's a render.

i need this scene whit Female Shepard and Liara, the idea is vary good.

[Erenbe]

Sunnie22 wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...
The problem I have with the "Clarification" DLC is that their vision of Shepard has been made pretty clear both by the Stargazer scene and the little blurb after the credits rolled, as well as various tweets and blurbs from employees of the company.  Bioware seems to view Shepard as a legend rather than a person.  This despite all the personal relationships that we spent the past 5 years building up with these characters.  I imagine this DLC will do little more than explain the glaring plotholes (how people standing by our side teleported to the Normandy as it was fleeing the battle.  WHY the Normandy was fleeing the battle. Etc.) and will most certainly not focus on making the options where Shepard sacrifices herself/himself more palatable.

They have been saying all along that they are not changing the ending at all, nor are they going to ADD any additional options, which sort of misses the reason why a lot of people are upset about the ending.  Explaining away why/how space magic happened will not fix anything, and I firmly believe that anyone who is expecting anything more than just "more confusing crap tacked onto the already confusing crap" is seriously setting themselves up for even bigger disappointment. I would love to be wrong, but what they are saying basically hasn't said anything at all beyond being a PR stall tactic.

This is pretty much what I think will happen, too. There is this tiny bit of hope left somewhere in a dark corner of my mind but as soon as I catch it I'll squish it to pieces. <_< 
It's a load of PR crap to make the fan backlash go away or at least quiet it down and in the end we'll be left with

Sunnie22 wrote ... "more confusing crap tacked onto the already confusing crap"

Modifié par Erenbe, 26 avril 2012 - 06:18 .

[Sunnie]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

Actually, theres quite a few times others candidly comment on the time Shepard and Liara spend together off screen, some of it rather directly pointing at sexy time.

Come on. You can't say something like this and not go into more detail! Explain what you mean!

I can, and I did! You need to literally run all over, often, and hit all the banter points, and then spend time going through scenes with different squad members and hearing the different comments being made. if you always use certain members in your squad, you will miss quite a bit of really good commentary.

Aristobulus500 wrote...

omg top again:

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This is a rather interesting picture I haven't seen before. The art style is neat.

Thanks, it's one of my original pieces! This is a companion piece to the Shepard version I did originally.

[Tyranniac]

Sunnie22 wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...
The problem I have with the "Clarification" DLC is that their vision of Shepard has been made pretty clear both by the Stargazer scene and the little blurb after the credits rolled, as well as various tweets and blurbs from employees of the company.  Bioware seems to view Shepard as a legend rather than a person.  This despite all the personal relationships that we spent the past 5 years building up with these characters.  I imagine this DLC will do little more than explain the glaring plotholes (how people standing by our side teleported to the Normandy as it was fleeing the battle.  WHY the Normandy was fleeing the battle. Etc.) and will most certainly not focus on making the options where Shepard sacrifices herself/himself more palatable.

They have been saying all along that they are not changing the ending at all, nor are they going to ADD any additional options, which sort of misses the reason why a lot of people are upset about the ending.  Explaining away why/how space magic happened will not fix anything, and I firmly believe that anyone who is expecting anything more than just "more confusing crap tacked onto the already confusing crap" is seriously setting themselves up for even bigger disappointment. I would love to be wrong, but what they are saying basically hasn't said anything at all beyond being a PR stall tactic.

I don't think speculating on what they will do with the Extended Cut serves much use. I find it very hard to foretell, but as I said I remain tenatively hopeful because:

1. I know there's a whole bunch of amazing writers at BioWare. (Let's just hope they get to work on the EC.)

2. They'll want to please people with the Extended Cut. So including what people want makes sense. (I know they won't add more options, but I would be satisfied with it making sense and there being a reunion with Normandy after the Destroy ending. It wouldn't be great, but it'd be acceptable.)

3. I'm just tired of being negative. Maybe I'm being delusional.

Feel free to taunt me when it turns out horrible. 

[polor89]

Sunnie22 wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...
The problem I have with the "Clarification" DLC is that their vision of Shepard has been made pretty clear both by the Stargazer scene and the little blurb after the credits rolled, as well as various tweets and blurbs from employees of the company.  Bioware seems to view Shepard as a legend rather than a person.  This despite all the personal relationships that we spent the past 5 years building up with these characters.  I imagine this DLC will do little more than explain the glaring plotholes (how people standing by our side teleported to the Normandy as it was fleeing the battle.  WHY the Normandy was fleeing the battle. Etc.) and will most certainly not focus on making the options where Shepard sacrifices herself/himself more palatable.

They have been saying all along that they are not changing the ending at all, nor are they going to ADD any additional options, which sort of misses the reason why a lot of people are upset about the ending.  Explaining away why/how space magic happened will not fix anything, and I firmly believe that anyone who is expecting anything more than just "more confusing crap tacked onto the already confusing crap" is seriously setting themselves up for even bigger disappointment. I would love to be wrong, but what they are saying basically hasn't said anything at all beyond being a PR stall tactic.

If you have read the ME3 Final hours you will undestand completely that they(C.Hudson) planned and did a more of a philosophical ending and wanted to make us think about humanity and synthetic life which was a total failure because none of us wanted that:(
The incoming dlc will probably feed more the anger about the endings hope i am wrong

[Aristobulus500]

Look, in short, I trust the writers.Patrick Weekes especially is amazing. I think it's entirely a question of how much control their superiors give them - the more the writing team is allowed to do their jobs, the better the ending will be - and the less freedom they have, the worse it will be. I fully believe that they completely understand the flaws in the ending though and what needs to happen for a satisfying ending, and I believe that they know just telling us "Yes the galaxy is ****ed and here is exactly why" won't fix their reputation is convince fans to buy more of their products.

I mean the entire reason we are in this mess in the first place is because Hudson/Walters didn't let the actual writing team - Weekes and co. - have any say on the matter.

Modifié par Aristobulus500, 26 avril 2012 - 06:23 .

[TheMarshal]

frudi wrote...

Very well put, I pretty much share the same concerns regarding EC. That's why I only have the slightest bit of hope that it may surprise us and actually fix things properly.

It's just easier to hand-wave the entire thing away and make up our own endings.  Bioware sees Shepard as a soldier, full stop.  Once a soldier's war is over, there is no more purpose for them.  Hence getting discarded the way s/he was.  So if Bioware's done with Shepard, I don't see any reason why we shouldn't go ahead and pick up the reins and go our own way.

[Tyranniac]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Look, in short, I trust the writers.Patrick Weekes especially is amazing. I think it's entirely a question of how much control their superiors give them - the more the writing team is allowed to do their jobs, the better the ending will be - and the less freedom they have, the worse it will be. I fully believe that they completely understand the flaws in the ending though and what needs to happen for a satisfying ending, and I believe that they know just telling us "Yes the galaxy is ****ed and here is exactly why" won't fix their reputation is convince fans to buy more of their products.

I mean the entire reason we are in this mess in the first place is because Hudson/Walters didn't let the actual writing team - Weekes and co. - have any say on the matter.

I agree with this, but it is also why I have some hope. I just can't help but hope that the writers will be allowed to do the best they can to salvage the ending without replacing it (which obviously won't happen.)

Now... I don't think I can talk about this any longer. Back to Liara please?

Edit: Okay, one more:

TheMarshal wrote...

frudi wrote...

Very well put, I pretty much share the same concerns regarding EC. That's why I only have the slightest bit of hope that it may surprise us and actually fix things properly.

It's just easier to hand-wave the entire thing away and make up our own endings.  Bioware sees Shepard as a soldier, full stop.  Once a soldier's war is over, there is no more purpose for them.  Hence getting discarded the way s/he was.  So if Bioware's done with Shepard, I don't see any reason why we shouldn't go ahead and pick up the reins and go our own way.

 

If the EC doesn't make the ending tolerable, then I will absolutely go back to allowing my own ending to override the "real" one. But... I won't give up just yet.

Modifié par Tyranniac, 26 avril 2012 - 06:28 .

[Sunnie]

TheMarshal wrote...

frudi wrote...

Very well put, I pretty much share the same concerns regarding EC. That's why I only have the slightest bit of hope that it may surprise us and actually fix things properly.

It's just easier to hand-wave the entire thing away and make up our own endings.  Bioware sees Shepard as a soldier, full stop.  Once a soldier's war is over, there is no more purpose for them.  Hence getting discarded the way s/he was.  So if Bioware's done with Shepard, I don't see any reason why we shouldn't go ahead and pick up the reins and go our own way.

Well, that is the case, and they have been saying as much. This was the end of Shepard's story, there will be other ME stuff happen in the future but Shepard is done. It's just real shame they couldn't give an option to go out on a high note, which has turned out to be a huge mistake (one of many, really).

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Sunnie22 wrote...
I can, and I did! You need to literally run all over, often, and hit all the banter points, and then spend time going through scenes with different squad members and hearing the different comments being made. if you always use certain members in your squad, you will miss quite a bit of really good commentary.

Dare I ask for a hint for which squadmates to take with you? And perhaps even which missions?

[polor89]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Look, in short, I trust the writers.Patrick Weekes especially is amazing. I think it's entirely a question of how much control their superiors give them - the more the writing team is allowed to do their jobs, the better the ending will be - and the less freedom they have, the worse it will be. I fully believe that they completely understand the flaws in the ending though and what needs to happen for a satisfying ending, and I believe that they know just telling us "Yes the galaxy is ****ed and here is exactly why" won't fix their reputation is convince fans to buy more of their products.

I mean the entire reason we are in this mess in the first place is because Hudson/Walters didn't let the actual writing team - Weekes and co. - have any say on the matter.

Patrick Weeks is probably my favourite he wrote Garrus Wrex and Javik characters that i love (not as much as liara <3) and a part of the genophage mission which was one of the best mission on ME3

[Deltakarma]

Quick question to you artists out there,

Do you guys go on google or something to either look at an Asari or simply just look at Liara in-game with the other Asari and just go off from that? Or just do whatever pops into your head and you draw?

I am pretty much getting a drawing pad altogether for some sketches of Krogan and Asari. I just cant draw a damn Asari >:C So perhaps by consensus or something, perhaps say whats best? es, its all about personal taste, but my personal taste sucks. I actually want to draw some fan-made Liara stuff and other things and put it in a time capsule and not forget about ME.

[FRANCESCO84Inn]

Honesly, why the dialogue about Shepard and Liara in the time capsule not its different if you are romanced Liara in ME1 and you have retake the relationship in ME2 afeter the LotSB,

ME3 have more and more part of the dialogue whit Shepard and Liara its made for no-Li, this is unacceptable, in the dialogue after Thessia Sheaprd not have a romance interruption or not reassures Liara as it gets for you girlfriend.

[TheMarshal]

Sunnie22 wrote...

Well, that is the case, and they have been saying as much. This was the end of Shepard's story, there will be other ME stuff happen in the future but Shepard is done. It's just real shame they couldn't give an option to go out on a high note, which has turned out to be a huge mistake (one of many, really).

Right.  My point wasn't so much "Boo hoo, this is the end of Shepard's story!" as it was "What the ****?!  Just because it's the end of the story doesn't mean you have to take her fracking life away!"

But yes, back to Liara...


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[TheMarshal]

frudi wrote...

Speaking of writers, who wrote Liara? I'm guessing it was several different people through different parts of the trilogy?

I think it was Karpyshyn in ME1, Walters for vanilla ME2, Weekes for LotSB, and I'm not sure for ME3.

edit: Wow, I get some real winners for TotP...
Have some blue!

Modifié par TheMarshal, 26 avril 2012 - 06:44 .

[TMA LIVE]

From what I gather:

ME1: Drew

ME2: Drew, Patrick, and Mac

LOTSB: Patrick, and bits by Sylvf.

ME3: Sylvf, with some parts written by John D and Patrick.