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[MidnightRaith]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Benezia probably just wanted her to go into a field where she'd probably have more power and sway over Asari society - maybe some kind of high ranking politician or something, and felt that as an archaeologist, she'd never really have any real pull, and would just kinda fade away into obscurity.

Yes, but Aethyta kinda puts a hole in that explanation. I would have believed that prior to Liara speaking with her, but she managed to get Benezia to refrain from forcing Liara to choose a field to her liking. It also seems a bit immature for a matriarch to let this come between them. I think the rift had more to do with Liara than anything else, especially when you take into account Benezia's line of always being proud of Liara before she falls under indoctrination again on Noveria. Perhaps Benezia simply didn't take Liara's choice in field too seriously, or didn't appear to take Liara's choice too seriously. Like she seemed to think it was temporary, and Liara began the rift out of hurt feelings. A confrontation on it and a wrong choice of words could significantly hurt their relationship, rather than anything conscious on Benezia's part.

[FRANCESCO84Inn]

HELP

after the Cerberus attack on the Citadel, Liara send to Shepard an e-mail, she wants meet Shepard in the Market of Presidium, in this dialogue Liara calls again Shepar friend, this is normal ?

why if i romanced Liara in ME1, in ME2 after the dlc LotSB, and after some diaoglue in ME3 ,she call Shepard frineds in the time capsule and in the Presidium ?

this not have sense, and not have sense the dialogue after Thessia, why i not have the romance interrupation for liara, BioWare have just put a generic paragon interrupation for friend not for partner, sorry but i don't like this .

Modifié par FRANCESCO84Inn, 28 avril 2012 - 06:40 .

[Akernis]

MidnightRaith wrote...
but it looks like Liara definitely had more than her fair share of adventures as an archeologist.
*snip*
Maybe she didn't approve of the dangers associated with it though.

I don't think Liara had many trouples with pirates of the like, she says that she her life has been rather dull (at least compared to Shepard's) and rarely has had problems, of course she could just be modest but I doupt that she has ever run into things a few biotic attacks could not handle... untill Therum that is.

P.s. that is one awesome asari cosplay  

[Erenbe]

Akernis wrote...

MidnightRaith wrote...
but it looks like Liara definitely had more than her fair share of adventures as an archeologist.
*snip*
Maybe she didn't approve of the dangers associated with it though.

I don't think Liara had many trouples with pirates of the like, she says that she her life has been rather dull (at least compared to Shepard's) and rarely has had problems, of course she could just be modest but I doupt that she has ever run into things a few biotic attacks could not handle... untill Therum that is.

Why do I get this image of Liara being all Indiana Jones/Lara Croft like trashing pirates and smugglers and the likes to safe her Prothean ruins?....and then downplaying it when talking about because it's no big deal for her....a daily occurence so to speak  

new one by the Master of Femshep/Liara

Modifié par Erenbe, 28 avril 2012 - 06:41 .

[Aristobulus500]

Liara definitely seems to have some of Indiana Jones in her. I mean, she's no weak frail damsel.

[Akernis]

FRANCESCO84Inn wrote...

after the Cerberus attack on the Citadel, Liara send to Shepard an e-mail, she wants meet Shepard in the Market of Presidium, in this dialogue Liara calls again Shepar friend, this is normal ?

why if i romanced Liara in ME1, in ME2 after the dlc LotSB, and after some diaoglue in ME3 ,she call Shepard frineds in the time capsule and in the Presidium ?

this not have sense, and not have sense the dialogue after Thessia, why i not have the romance interrupation for liara, BioWare have just put a generic paragon interrupation for friend not for partner, sorry but i don't like this .

We all (or most at least) agree here. both times are normal.

On the Presidium she calls you a friend, presumably to test how you would respond, most don't like it.

In the time capsul scene Liara's writer has said that even if Liara is in a romantic relationship with Shepard she still considers him/her a friend in addition to lover, though her writer admits that there should probably have been a romance variation with Liara putting her head on Shepard's shoulder in that scene.

Yeah and the post-Thessia comforting, even if Liara was excelent, was extremely poorly handled by a romanced Shepard. Shepard should definately comfort his/her lover simply by sitting and being there for her.  

Modifié par Akernis, 28 avril 2012 - 10:28 .

[FRANCESCO84Inn]

@Akernis, thanks.

and in the Presidium Shepard give to Liara a flower or nothing ?

the dialogue after thessia in the Laira cabin for me is bad,
because preferred a romantic interruption.

Modifié par FRANCESCO84Inn, 28 avril 2012 - 06:46 .

[Akernis]

FRANCESCO84Inn wrote...

@Akernis, thanks.

and in the Presidium Shepard give to Liara a flower or nothing ?

Nothing, it just looks like it becouse of the angle

[FRANCESCO84Inn]

Akernis wrote...

FRANCESCO84Inn wrote...

@Akernis, thanks.

and in the Presidium Shepard give to Liara a flower or nothing ?

Nothing, it just looks like it becouse of the angle

this is so strange, but the flower, the chocolates for those are?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Liara definitely seems to have some of Indiana Jones in her. I mean, she's no weak frail damsel.

Too bad that she is the only female squadmember potrayed as a damsel in distress during her first scene huh?

I think that is why people think she is one, despite the fact that she is said to have done well on her own before.

[Erenbe]

Lizardviking wrote...
Too bad that she is the only female squadmember potrayed as a damsel in distress during her first scene huh?

I think that is why people think she is one, despite the fact that she is said to have done well on her own before.

Well, I blame it on her being in that Prothean bubble for quite some time and simply too weak to be able to fight against the Krogan battlemaster. I think that is a perfectly fine explanation for the entire scene. That some people draw conclusions about her battle strength from that very first scene and stand by it throughout the entire ME series....well yeah, I don't know if they are even trying to get to know her. 

[Aristobulus500]

Lizardviking wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Liara definitely seems to have some of Indiana Jones in her. I mean, she's no weak frail damsel.

Too bad that she is the only female squadmember potrayed as a damsel in distress during her first scene huh?

I think that is why people think she is one, despite the fact that she is said to have done well on her own before.

Definitely. I've complained about how weak she seems in that scene before - I definitely think she wouldn't have so many haters if that first scene was stronger.

Erenbe wrote...
Well,
I blame it on her being in that Prothean bubble for quite some time and
simply too weak to be able to fight against the Krogan battlemaster. I
think that is a perfectly fine explanation for the entire scene. That
some people draw conclusions about her battle strength from that very
first scene and stand by it throughout the entire ME series....well
yeah, I don't know if they are even trying to get to know her. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png[/smilie]

No, they are definitely not trying to get to know her. Of course, that's because as you say, they've made up their minds on her character after that first scene and everything after that they try to twist to fit the definiton they've made up for her.

Modifié par Aristobulus500, 28 avril 2012 - 06:53 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Liara definitely seems to have some of Indiana Jones in her. I mean, she's no weak frail damsel.

Too bad that she is the only female squadmember potrayed as a damsel in distress during her first scene huh?

I think that is why people think she is one, despite the fact that she is said to have done well on her own before.

Definitely. I've complained about how weak she seems in that scene before - I definitely think she wouldn't have so many haters if that first scene was stronger.

I think her constant fainting in the debriefing scenes sure as hell did not help either.

[Arcataye]

FRANCESCO84Inn wrote...
this is so strange, but the flower, the chocolates for those are?

Ashley or Kaidan, the one who survived.
I really thought I could give some books or flowers to Liara, but no... <_<

Modifié par Arcataye, 28 avril 2012 - 06:59 .

[FRANCESCO84Inn]

Arcataye wrote...

FRANCESCO84Inn wrote...
this is so strange, but the flower, the chocolates for those are?

Ashley or Kaidan, the one who survived.
I really thought I could give some books or flowers to Liara, but no... <_<

i'm vary nervous for this, why Shepard not give more attention to Liara whit  some gifts,

or why not its possible kiss  Liara in some place or stay with her in ather place in the Citadel ?

[moreeman06]

Arcataye wrote...

FRANCESCO84Inn wrote...
this is so strange, but the flower, the chocolates for those are?

Ashley or Kaidan, the one who survived.
I really thought I could give some books or flowers to Liara, but no... <_<

No i wish that ME had a gift system though

[Erenbe]

Lizardviking wrote...
I think her constant fainting in the debriefing scenes sure as hell did not help either.

Forcing your way into the mind of THE Commander Shepard...the person who survived the Prothean beacon...has to be exhausting. Even if Shepard gave the OK for this, I would think that there are enough mental barriers to push through for even the strongest asari to be weakend by it.
Well, some might say that Shiala didn't faint when she transferred the cypher into Shep's brain but she survived the Thorian and had her brain scrambled around enough by Saren and the Thorian to be de-sensitized. Also, I think she's older than Liara and might have more experience with mind-melding. Somehow I can't see Benezia hiring asari commandos that just barely left their homes. 

Well, but I guess neither of these arguments will sway someone who is totally convinced that Liara is barely more than piece of useless baggage. 

As Aristobolus said....a stronger introduction might have helped....although, I don't see Ashley being introduced in a much better way. She was running away from some Geth and then lay stretched out on the floor when Shep arrives. So yeah....luckily they got rid of Jenkins so that she could join the fight immediately. Liara was a victim of the 2-squatmate limitation that the game comes with. 

Modifié par Erenbe, 28 avril 2012 - 07:13 .

[Aristobulus500]

All the arguments you're making are perfectly acceptable, Erenbe, but you're missing that they are basically good in hindsight. They don't help make that any less of a bad first impression, the people soured on her aren't going to listen to you. They've made up their minds and they don't WANT to hear that she's a good character. They WANT to be right in believing she's weak.

They will actively ignore or twist arguments to the contary.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Erenbe wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...
I think her constant fainting in the debriefing scenes sure as hell did not help either.

Forcing your way into the mind of THE Commander Shepard...the person who survived the Prothean beacon...has to be exhausting. Even if Shepard gave the OK for this, I would think that there are enough mental barriers to push through for even the strongest asari to be weakend by it.
Well, some might say that Shiala didn't faint when she transferred the cypher into Shep's brain but she survived the Thorian and had her brain scrambled around enough by Saren and the Thorian to be de-sensitized. Also, I think she's older than Liara and might have more experience with mind-melding. Somehow I can't see Benezia hiring asari commandos that just barely left their homes. 

Well, but I guess neither of these arguments will sway someone who is totally convinced that Liara is barely more than piece of useless baggage. 

I feel you can show someone as becoming exchausting without making them look weak. The VA preformance and the animations resulted in Liara's fainting becoming annoying and had her appear weaker than she should IMO.

As Aristobolus said....a stronger introduction might have helped....although, I don't see Ashley being introduced in a much better way. She was running away from some Geth and then lay stretched out on the floor when Shep arrives. So yeah....luckily they got rid of Jenkins so that she could join the fight immediately. Liara was a victim of the 2-squatmate limitation that the game comes with.

Ashley is shown taking out a few geth drones and is seen readying her assault rifle, ready to make a last stand against the Geth attacking her. That is quite different.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 28 avril 2012 - 07:18 .

[FRANCESCO84Inn]

i play ME only whit Biotic class, in some animation in all games my Female Shepard not use biotic power only a guns, on Virmine against, or take for example the first meeting whit Leng , Sheaprd and Co not stop this villian whit Biotic Power, the player not have the interrupation to block attack of Leng to Thane, not for kill Leng, only fo rdo it escape,

and in the scene on the Taxi in the Attack of Citadel , my Shepard not use Biotic Power, use only gun, the same on Thessia.

Modifié par FRANCESCO84Inn, 28 avril 2012 - 07:30 .

[draken-heart]

just some random self-made Liara dialogue:

Liara: So, Samantha, why is it that you are never on the Citadel when Shepard wants to talk to you?
Samantha: I-i just do not think going on a date w/Shepard is a good idea right now.
Liara: what do you mean?
Samantha: it is just, we are in the middle of a war and-i can see you are not going to accept this as an answer so, even though i am confident in my sexuality, i just do not want many people knowing it.
Liara: ah, okay then.
Samantha: i am going to get back to work. *leaves Liara's quarters to get back to work*
Liara: Glyph, you got that recorded right?
Glyph: yes, doctor.
Liara: good, make sure to keep it on-hand.

Modifié par draken-heart, 28 avril 2012 - 07:33 .

[Erenbe]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

All the arguments you're making are perfectly acceptable, Erenbe, but you're missing that they are basically good in hindsight. They don't help make that any less of a bad first impression, the people soured on her aren't going to listen to you. They've made up their minds and they don't WANT to hear that she's a good character. They WANT to be right in believing she's weak.

They will actively ignore or twist arguments to the contary.

Oh I know. That's why I try to avoid any Liara hate thread that is out there  Trying to convince these people is as rewarding as talking to a lamp post. 
Well, personally I never got the impression that Liara is weak. But that might have to do with the fact that I usually am too busy not getting rushed by the Krogan battlemaster than paying attention to where Liara is cowering. And there is the whole scene with her hanging in the bubble before the fight...you actually have a conversation with her and that won me over the first time I met her in game.  The idea that she got herself into that situation by pressing a button....with no real idea what it would actually do....that is somehow endearing  Not in a damsel in distress kind of way but more in the geeky scientist kind of way. I mean, she had the Krogan and some Geth knocking on her front door...she had to get into safety quickly. I suppose she was pretty surprised when she found herself in stasis after pressing a button she was convinced would just errect a protective layer between her and her attackers. 

Lizardviking wrote...
Ashley is shown taking out a few geth drones and is seen readying her assault rifle, ready to make a last stand against the Geth attacking her. That is quite different.

Hmm maybe I am mixing up fanfic and game-scenes right now.....i had the impression she was laying on the floor at some point. 

But sure they could have changed the introduction of Liara and make her look stronger....but for me personally she never appeared weak to begin with. I can live with all the explanations I delivered above...and work my head around the whole thing 

Modifié par Erenbe, 28 avril 2012 - 07:35 .

[FRANCESCO84Inn]

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[CrazyGreggy]

Erenbe wrote...
Hmm maybe I am mixing up fanfic and game-scenes right now.....i had the impression she was laying on the floor at some point. 

Oh Ashley does fall over and end up shooting while flat on her backside. Can't see anyone labelling her as the squadmate that gets everyone killed or falls over her own feet, though.