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Next on today's agenda: determining the chemical formula of asari sweat

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liesandpropaganda wrote...

Next on today's agenda: determining the chemical formula of asari sweat


To the lab! 

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liesandpropaganda wrote...

Next on today's agenda: determining the chemical formula of asari sweat


91% Water.
1% NaCl, Vitamin C, uric acid and ammonia.
8% Space lesbianism.

Discuss.

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liesandpropaganda wrote...

Next on today's agenda: determining the chemical formula of asari sweat


It's similar to Irish Whiskey! Image IPB

Do Asari actually sweat though?

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on a second note, better not, Liara fans may want to lynch me :ph34r:

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So after a few weeks, I decide to check in on the Liara thread:

liesandpropaganda wrote...

Next on today's agenda: determining the chemical formula of asari sweat


:blink:

... I guess it was only a matter of time.

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A wise decision my dear Isaac

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I don't think religion is really something that concerns Liara, she might believe in the asari religion (the name of which escapes me) or simply believe in "somehting" more than the mundane (not that I am calling Reapers mundane but you know what I mean) or she might not care at all, beyond common phrases like "by the goddess".

If she believes I doubt that it is more than casually.
But she rarely gives any insight into herself as a person so it is hard to judge.

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IsaacShep wrote...

on a second note, better not, Liara fans may want to lynch me :ph34r:


I believe you didn't think this through .
Not unlike Liara, I am a very good information broker.

[Data retrieval process initiated...]

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liesandpropaganda wrote...

A wise decision my dear Isaac

:P Will continue to troll on Liara all over other parts of the forum :devil:

Seriously though, I actually liked her more in ME3. I also started to like Tali (who I H-A-T-E-D in ME1 & ME2). On the other hand, Garrus dropped down from my 'like' list to the very bottom.

nothing was here :ph34r::devil:

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Sunnie22 wrote...

*snip*

moreeman06 wrote...
I'd probably go with the underbelly of a snake or skin,  you know the smooth slick skin that gets made into leather, than i would liken it to actual scales.

also sunnie nice new avatar


Well, thats also not even close to reality.

*snip*

In this pic you see the underside of a snake. The scales are very wide and short, but they still overlap. This overlap and the ability to modulate the amount of overlap between the segments is what allows snakes to motivate themselves.
 
As for the avatar, its not new, just havent used it for a long time, but thanks anyway! /uploads_user/1070000/1069890/194297.gif


i was talking more texture wise then actual construct wise on the comparison sorry if i didn't communicate that properly.  although after seeing some of those above pics i'm going to retract any comparisons i said to snakes and hop on board the "its just like human skin just in larger segments" argument.  


and no problem, its the first time i've seen it :)

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Akernis wrote...

I don't think religion is really something that concerns Liara, she might believe in the asari religion (the name of which escapes me) or simply believe in "somehting" more than the mundane (not that I am calling Reapers mundane but you know what I mean) or she might not care at all, beyond common phrases like "by the goddess".

If she believes I doubt that it is more than casually.
But she rarely gives any insight into herself as a person so it is hard to judge.



I know that's common, but what made me wonder (I'd always assumed atheism, woman of science and all that) is the "Goddess be with them" on the Tuchanka mission. 

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This may be a re-post, but I thought it was cute none-the-less!

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As for religion i think the word most of us are looking for is agnostic (someone who isn't quite sure about the existance/nonexistance of a deity.)  since agnosticism also has several subsects i think Liara would fall under either soft agnosticism (no idea if they exist but willing to withold judgement until it can be confirmed through observation)  or as a agnostic Theist,  one that believes most religious tenants but isn't entirely sure of whehter a deity exists or not.  an agnostic Theist and soft agnostic both tend to be more open towards the idea of a deity and some will even acknowledge its existance.  

@Akernis:  thanks for giving Hollow a more comprehensive summary, I'm afraid i forgot to add what all those serious discussions were about:D  also i have to say that Neeh's and this one are some of my favorites as well as the one in my avatar
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CmdrSlander wrote...

I know that's common, but what made me wonder (I'd always assumed atheism, woman of science and all that) is the "Goddess be with them" on the Tuchanka mission. 

I don't think it is anything more than a slightly retualistic way of saying "I wish them luck" or "i hope they make it" I think it would be common with asari like like Primarch Victus says something along the lines of "spirits grant them rest". 
While it could mean otherwise I doupt there is much faith related in it. 

@Moreenman: yeah that is more or less what I mean, not actively faithful but not entirely dismissive either.

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CmdrSlander wrote...

Here's something to ponder:

Is Liara religious?

I ask this because I was replaying the Tuchanka mission and she said "Goddess be with them" about the Turian pilots as they headed towards the Reaper. Her saying "Goddess" as an expression, as many Asari do (even though few still follow Athame) is normal, but there's a big difference between saying "Oh My God!" (in human culture anyway) and "God be with you" the former is normal even in non-religious persons, but the latter usually denotes strong faith on the part of the speaker.

Honestly, we know too little about asari religious beliefs for me to make any kind of judgement about whether and to what extent Liara may be religious or what that may imply. Even any guesses would be based purely on our own experience with human religions (like scientists being less religious... that could easily be just a 'human thing', other species' religious beliefs may not be as incompatible with science as our own).

Asari religions do seem to be very different from our own though. The mainstream religion is pantheistic and the one prominent monotheistic religion worships a goddess credited with bringing knowledge and enlightenment to the asari. Quite different than human religions, which in comparison seem somewhat over concerned with prescribing rules of worship and behaviour. I doubt even hardcore atheists would have a problem with 'religious' asari :)

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CmdrSlander wrote...

Here's something to ponder:

Is Liara religious?

I ask this because I was replaying the Tuchanka mission and she said "Goddess be with them" about the Turian pilots as they headed towards the Reaper. Her saying "Goddess" as an expression, as many Asari do (even though few still follow Athame) is normal, but there's a big difference between saying "Oh My God!" (in human culture anyway) and "God be with you" the former is normal even in non-religious persons, but the latter usually denotes strong faith on the part of the speaker.


I would think she is to some extent. After all, Benezia seemed to be similar to a preacher. Whether she's deeply religious is hard to say, but some of the more subtle hints seem to point to the idea that Liara believes in Athame, rather than the mainstream religion.

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I'd say that by and large, space travel and alien species will kill off most deistic religions in a matter of a generation or two, save the ones that become even more fervent in belief.

The asari faith, such as it is, seems to resemble buddhism in scope, in that it's spiritual but not religious as commonly understood. There aren't really any god-entities, just the ability – or struggle – to transcend one's own boundaries (whether outward or inward).

I do have to say that religions can't be more or less compatible with science. If it's science, it's science, not religion :)

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lillitheris wrote...

I do have to say that religions can't be more or less compatible with science. If it's science, it's science, not religion :)

Of course religions can be more or less compatible with science. Some religions may preach something that is directly contradicted by scientific evidence (like Earth being created 6000 years ago), while others may entail simply believing in something that is beyond the scope of current scientific knowledge (for instance that our soul may survive our physical death). While in the latter case such beliefs are still not scientific (as they are not verifiable), they do not contradict known scientific facts.

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lillitheris wrote...

I'd say that by and large, space travel and alien species will kill off most deistic religions in a matter of a generation or two, save the ones that become even more fervent in belief.

The asari faith, such as it is, seems to resemble buddhism in scope, in that it's spiritual but not religious as commonly understood. There aren't really any god-entities, just the ability – or struggle – to transcend one's own boundaries (whether outward or inward).

I do have to say that religions can't be more or less compatible with science. If it's science, it's science, not religion :)


Eh, that's actually a misconception. I never understood why Bioware seemed to think that just because aliens exist, means that it automatically voids religions based on a deity. For instance, neither the Bible, nor the Roman Catholic Church make any references to aliens in text, or in sermons. It's not because we don't believe aliens exist, but because it is not relevant to the religion, or it's role in our lives in any way whatsoever. If an alien landed in my backyard, for instance, that wouldn't shake my belief at all really. I'd just think, "Huh... sweet." So, long as it's peaceful anyway. Apparently Lutherans think the same way, from what a pastor I'm acquainted with has told me.

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Hmmm...

For all of you tablet owners here, what would be the best, yet cheapest tablet to get? A little off topic, yes, but it helps in the long run.

On a side-note, needs more M!Shep and Liara. Probably linked before, but that was one of the best interactive LI romance I ever have seen in ME2. I have done Tali, Jack, and Miranda, but a scene like this, it blows them all away.

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God I love LoTSB!

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MidnightRaith wrote...

...some of the more subtle hints seem to point to the idea that Liara believes in Athame, rather than the mainstream religion.

Well, this whole discussion started because Liara's been heard to refer to the 'Goddess', even beyond just the usual 'Goddess!' or 'By the Goddess!' exclamations. Since the Goddess in question is in fact Athame, then if these references are to mean she holds some religious beliefs, she would obviously believe in Athame.

It's hard to say though if Athame worshipers still literally believe the Goddess to be an actual deity, even harder still how their views of her may compare to the human monotheistic views of god. I got the feeling that Athame worshipers considered her more of a protector of the asari, not as an omnipotent and omniscient deity typical of human monotheistic religions.

Now thinking back to the mission on Thessia, Liara was certainly shocked to learn the truth abouth Athame, but she hardly seemed like a deeply religious person who's faith has just been shocked to the core. She seemed more concerned about the implications for asari society and psyche. I would take that as an indication that she's not likely deeply religious and after finding out the truth about Athame she would probably be rational enough about it to rethink even those beliefs she may have had.

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Sunnie22 wrote...

liesandpropaganda wrote...

Next on today's agenda: determining the chemical formula of asari sweat


It's similar to Irish Whiskey! Image IPB

Do Asari actually sweat though?


That's... a good point.  Not all animals sweat.  Or is that get sunburnt?  Would asari be able to get sunburnt?  Would their skin turn purple?

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TheMarshal wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

liesandpropaganda wrote...

Next on today's agenda: determining the chemical formula of asari sweat


It's similar to Irish Whiskey! Image IPB

Do Asari actually sweat though?


That's... a good point.  Not all animals sweat.  Or is that get sunburnt?  Would asari be able to get sunburnt?  Would their skin turn purple?

Not all animals sweat, but all warm-blooded animals do have to regulate their internal temperature one way or another. Most mammals cool off by sweating, though not all of them have sweat glands all over their bodies. Asari though don't seem to have an obvious alternative mechanism of cooling off, so I would guess they do indeed sweat, though maybe not in all the same areas as humans.

Hm, it's too bad their scalp crests aren't more flexible... then we could imagine asari flapping them to cool off, kind of like elephants flap their ears (yeah, I know, here we go again comparing something asari to elephants...)


edit: great, my first TotP and I manage to screw up with a double post :blush:.

I guess I have to post a good pic to make up for it... how about:
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double post... sorry

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