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[WaterWar]

Tyranniac wrote...

WaterWar wrote...

Regarding asari not having implants: I think I recall from somewhere that asari also need implants, but the implants doesn't have to be so advanced as they are in humans, because of the biotic nature of Thessia and asari. Unfortunately I can't seem to find my source anywhere. 
The Wiki also says that asari doesn't need them, so it's proberly just me with a bad memory 

The implants Shepard has is L5 (adept and vanguard). Kaidan has L2 implants.

 

Asari do not need implants, but they often use amplifiers, perhaps that's what you were thinking of?

That might be what I was thinking of, yes. I sometimes comfuse amplifiers with implants.

EDIT: The asari, as said, might have them somewhere in the upper regions of the spine, just like humans. It makes sense because they are so similar to humans, physiologically, that most of the nerves pass through the spine. Therefore placing an amp there would give it access to nearly all nerves in the body, either directly or though another nerve.

As someone said I personally like the way the games depict biotics over the way the novels do. I love how you in ME3 can fight without having to use a weapon at all. Very impressive and adds to the uniqueness of the biotic-users.

Wherether or not krogans are natural biotics I would suspect them to NOT be. In my understanding the also natural biotics are the asari. Tuchunka doesn't have any major eezo sources as far as I remember and therefore the krogran wouldn't have been exposed to it in the same way the asari have been on Thessia.

Modifié par WaterWar, 05 mai 2012 - 11:17 .

[Tyranniac]

rubynorman wrote...

Asari don't need implants to use biotics but they can choose to have it. I remember after Grissom Academy Mission, Shepard delivered an implant protocol to an Asari in the Citadel's hospital. She said they just need to change it a little then it can work on Asari.

I'm guessing you're referring to this side mission: 
http://masseffect.wi..._Amp_Interfaces 

If so, then this is exactly what I was talking about: Interface port implants are needed to use biotic amps. This is what this is, this is not the kind of implants that humans need to use biotics.

[rubynorman]

WaterWar wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...

WaterWar wrote...

Regarding asari not having implants: I think I recall from somewhere that asari also need implants, but the implants doesn't have to be so advanced as they are in humans, because of the biotic nature of Thessia and asari. Unfortunately I can't seem to find my source anywhere. 
The Wiki also says that asari doesn't need them, so it's proberly just me with a bad memory 

The implants Shepard has is L5 (adept and vanguard). Kaidan has L2 implants.

 

Asari do not need implants, but they often use amplifiers, perhaps that's what you were thinking of?

That might be what I was thinking of, yes. I sometimes comfuse amplifiers with implants.

As someone said I personally like the way the games depict biotics over the way the novels do. I love how you in ME3 can fight without having to use a weapon at all. Very impressive and adds to the uniqueness of the biotic-users.

Wherether or not krogans are natural biotics I would suspect them to NOT be. In my understanding the also natural biotics are the asari. Tuchunka doesn't have any major eezo sources as far as I remember and therefore the krogran wouldn't have been exposed to it in the same way the asari have been on Thessia.

Only some Krogan have biotic talent. It's a gift like human.
As the Codex details, the Battle Masters were officers of the krogan military. Tough, disciplined, well-armed, and biotically gifted, a single Battle Master is said to be an equal match to ten soldiers of any other species.
EDIT:

Tyranniac wrote...

rubynorman wrote...

Asari
don't need implants to use biotics but they can choose to have it. I
remember after Grissom Academy Mission, Shepard delivered an implant
protocol to an Asari in the Citadel's hospital. She said they just need
to change it a little then it can work on Asari.

I'm guessing you're referring to this side mission: 
http://masseffect.wi..._Amp_Interfaces 

If
so, then this is exactly what I was talking about: Interface port
implants are needed to use biotic amps. This is what this is, this is
not the kind of implants that humans need to use biotics.

Thanks for correcting me. I confuse amplifiers with implants all the times

Modifié par rubynorman, 05 mai 2012 - 11:29 .

[Erenbe]

WaterWar wrote...
Wherether or not krogans are natural biotics I would suspect them to NOT be. In my understanding the also natural biotics are the asari. Tuchunka doesn't have any major eezo sources as far as I remember and therefore the krogran wouldn't have been exposed to it in the same way the asari have been on Thessia.

Maybe natural biotics is the wrong word to use here. How about mutations? The majority of all krogans doesn't seem to be biotics users but there are cases of krogans being able to utilize it and whenever these few cases are mentioned there is no mentioning of any implants whatsoever. 

As far as I understood implants they don't work like "hey put this in and you can use biotics" but like "oh you have some small ability for biotics..here take this to really use it". Kaidan and other human biotics in ME1 were singled out because of their ingrained ability to use biotics....I think the implants helped them to really use it and control it.

Magicalzebra

We need more Liara in here 

Modifié par Erenbe, 05 mai 2012 - 11:26 .

[WaterWar]

Erenbe wrote...

Maybe natural biotics is the wrong word to use here. How about mutations? The majority of all krogans doesn't seem to be biotics users but there are cases of krogans being able to utilize it and whenever these few cases are mentioned there is no mentioning of any implants whatsoever. 

As far as I understood implants they don't work like "hey put this in and you can use biotics" but like "oh you have some small ability for biotics..here take this to really use it". Kaidan and other human biotics in ME1 were singled out because of their ingrained ability to use biotics....I think the implants helped them to really use it and control it.

As far as I have understood, asari are actually natural biotics because of the eezo rich nature of Thessia.
I agree with you that all the other species gain biotic abilities through mutations of some sort. The first human biotics were the result of accidents involving eezo and young babies. These accidents often resulted in death, cancer and other not-so-nice effects. A few were lucky enough to gain the ability to manipulate dark energy/matter (forgot what it is called) and then they had the implants implanted. I remember reading this in the second novel when Kahlee is at the Grissom Academy.

[Tyranniac]

[quote]Erenbe wrote...

As far as I understood implants they don't work like "hey put this in and you can use biotics" but like "oh you have some small ability for biotics..here take this to really use it". Kaidan and other human biotics in ME1 were singled out because of their ingrained ability to use biotics....I think the implants helped them to really use it and control it.

[/quote]

You are right, implants simply bring their biotics to levels where it can actually be used for something.

[quote]WaterWar wrote...

[quote]Erenbe wrote...

As far as I have understood, asari are actually natural biotics because of the eezo rich nature of Thessia. 
I agree with you that all the other species gain biotic abilities through mutations of some sort. The first human biotics were the result of accidents involving eezo and young babies. These accidents often resulted in death, cancer and other not-so-nice effects. A few were lucky enough to gain the ability to manipulate dark energy/matter (forgot what it is called) and then they had the implants implanted. I remember reading this in the second novel when Kahlee is at the Grissom Academy.

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No, not the eezo rich nature of Thessia. It was the work of the Protheans, other than that you're right.

Modifié par Tyranniac, 05 mai 2012 - 11:30 .

[Akernis]

Tyranniac wrote...
If so, then this is exactly what I was talking about: Interface port implants are needed to use biotic amps. This is what this is, this is not the kind of implants that humans need to use biotics.

Oaky now I am confused, I was under the impression that all implant were the same (of course individual to each species but still) and simply allowed one to use amps, they simpley varied in how effective they were at that.
I don't think that there are various types of implants that serves diffirent purposes.

[WaterWar]

Tyranniac wrote...
No, not the eezo rich nature of Thessia. It was the work of the Protheans, other than that you're right.

How would the Protheans be able to 'give' the asari biotic abilities? I thought that it was the eezo on Thessia that enabled the asari to manipulate dark energy?

EDIT: Had a look at the wiki and it states that the Protheans altered the genome of the asari, thereby giving them their biotic ability. I was mistaken 

Modifié par WaterWar, 05 mai 2012 - 11:35 .

[lillitheris]

Catroi wrote...

Akernis wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...

Akernis wrote...

Yes, I just found and read that for myself, I gracefully concede the point.  

Glad I was able to explain myself. 

Anybody have something new to talk about?

Well a small question, since Liara uses amplifiers (at least if we go by ME1 game-mecanics) where do you guys think that asari amps are located?, humans have them at the base of the skull but we never hear about other races.

Edit: top, one moment.

knowing they have nearly the same biology as humans I guess it'd be located in the same area

For asari, the implanted amp is usually located between the spinal columns, connecting to both sides. The vertebrae pair selected is usually the 14th or 15th (that is, roughly at the height of the bottom half of the shoulder blade is on a human). The port, for those who opt for it, is usually simply opened to the back although it is possible to install additional wetware to bring the port to the sides or even through the chest.

Liara only has the implanted amp. Benezia judged her power sufficient without it and during the time when external amps were the only option for a significant boost, Liara was fully concentrated on her research. In 2185 she upgraded her implant, with the newest generation bringing her on par with the external amps. A port could be added in a simple outpatient procedure.

Newest external amps only provide 1-2% improvement over the NG extensible implants, and asari usually value simplicity and low maintenance over the debateable ability to change amps on the fly.                 

I guess I should start on the general physiology paper?

Edit:

The human terminology is stupid, asari define the components better:

‘Implant’ is an internal amplifier. It may or may not have an augment port that is accessible externally. The ‘amp’ upgrades are  external amplifier augmentations, and are connected through the augment port. There are also internal versions of the external augmentations.

Modifié par lillitheris, 05 mai 2012 - 11:41 .

[WaterWar]

Where do you get all those imformations from? They seem VERY specific and scientific. I would love to read more about it from whereever you got it.

[Tyranniac]

Akernis wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...
If so, then this is exactly what I was talking about: Interface port implants are needed to use biotic amps. This is what this is, this is not the kind of implants that humans need to use biotics.

Oaky now I am confused, I was under the impression that all implant were the same (of course individual to each species but still) and simply allowed one to use amps, they simpley varied in how effective they were at that.
I don't think that there are various types of implants that serves diffirent purposes.

Sorry, that post was clearly phrased in the wrong manner. What I mean is:

All biotics can use their abilities without implants, but for races other than the asari it will be practically useless, asari however can use biotic abilities efficently without implants.

With implants (and the amps that they allow for) biotics from most races will have their abilities amplified to useful levels, for the asari, it will further boost their biotic abilites.

So what I'm saying is that for humans (and as far as I know all non-asari) implants and amps are necessary, but for asari they simply provide a boost. I didn't mean to say they had different functions.

lillitheris wrote...

For asari, the implanted amp is usually located between the spinal columns, connecting to both sides. The vertebrae pair selected is usually the 14th or 15th (that is, roughly at the height of the bottom half of the shoulder blade is on a human). The port, for those who opt for it, is usually simply opened to the back although it is possible to install additional wetware to bring the port to the sides or even through the chest.

Liara only has the implanted amp. Benezia judged her power sufficient without it and during the time when external amps were the only option for a significant boost, Liara was fully concentrated on her research. In 2185 she upgraded her implant, with the newest generation bringing her on par with the external amps. A port could be added in a simple outpatient procedure.

Newest external amps only provide 1-2% improvement over the NG implants, and are seen as unnecessary by asari.

I guess I should start on the general physiology paper?

 

You might want to make it clear when you're making stuff up.

Modifié par Tyranniac, 05 mai 2012 - 11:41 .

[Akernis]

lillitheris wrote...

Catroi wrote...

Akernis wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...

Akernis wrote...

Yes, I just found and read that for myself, I gracefully concede the point.  

Glad I was able to explain myself. 

Anybody have something new to talk about?

Well a small question, since Liara uses amplifiers (at least if we go by ME1 game-mecanics) where do you guys think that asari amps are located?, humans have them at the base of the skull but we never hear about other races.

Edit: top, one moment.

knowing they have nearly the same biology as humans I guess it'd be located in the same area

For asari, the implanted amp is usually located between the spinal columns, connecting to both sides. The vertebrae pair selected is usually the 14th or 15th (that is, roughly at the height of the bottom half of the shoulder blade is on a human). The port, for those who opt for it, is usually simply opened to the back although it is possible to install additional wetware to bring the port to the sides or even through the chest.

Liara only has the implanted amp. Benezia judged her power sufficient without it and during the time when external amps were the only option for a significant boost, Liara was fully concentrated on her research. In 2185 she upgraded her implant, with the newest generation bringing her on par with the external amps. A port could be added in a simple outpatient procedure.

Newest external amps only provide 1-2% improvement over the NG implants, and are seen as unnecessary by asari.

I take it that all of that is your guessing rather than any in-game knowledge?
The idea that asari would have twin spinal columns rubs me the wrong way for some reason, about the only thing in you asari-phsiology I didn't agre with.

Tyranniac wrote...
Sorry, that post was clearly phrased in the wrong manner. What I mean is:

All biotics can use their abilities without implants, but for races other than the asari it will be practically useless, asari however can use biotic abilities efficently without implants.

With implants (and the amps that they allow for) biotics from most races will have their abilities amplified to useful levels, for the asari, it will further boost their biotic abilites.

So what I'm saying is that for humans (and as far as I know all non-asari) implants and amps are necessary, but for asari they simply provide a boost. I didn't mean to say they had different functions.

Okay, yeah I agree with that.

Modifié par Akernis, 05 mai 2012 - 11:46 .

[Obsidian Gryphon]

Tis fascinating to read this thread.  

I popped in to drop something. Back at the main forum, there's a thread to post a pix of your Shep and music that best describe Shep and story. Well, I can't think of any at the moment for that one but I do have one of many favs for my femShep and Liara. I always think of them whenever I hear this piece. Hope I'm not derailing the trend of the thread.



Anything With You

I want a future for them, a peaceful and fruitful life together. I'm a soppy romantic.

Modifié par Obsidian Gryphon, 05 mai 2012 - 11:46 .

[Tyranniac]

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...
I want a future for them, a peaceful and fruitful life together. I'm a soppy romantic.

Don't we all? 

[lillitheris]

Akernis wrote...

lillitheris wrote...
For asari, the implanted amp is usually located between the spinal columns, connecting to both sides. The vertebrae pair selected is usually the 14th or 15th (that is, roughly at the height of the bottom half of the shoulder blade is on a human). The port, for those who opt for it, is usually simply opened to the back although it is possible to install additional wetware to bring the port to the sides or even through the chest.

Liara only has the implanted amp. Benezia judged her power sufficient without it and during the time when external amps were the only option for a significant boost, Liara was fully concentrated on her research. In 2185 she upgraded her implant, with the newest generation bringing her on par with the external amps. A port could be added in a simple outpatient procedure.

Newest external amps only provide 1-2% improvement over the NG implants, and are seen as unnecessary by asari.

I take it that all of that is your guessing rather than any in-game knowledge?

Of course. Or, not really guessing, since there’s nothing to guess at. I’m defining :happy:

BioWare either forgot that asari need/typically use internal amps, or got themselves confused with their imprecise terminology.

The idea that asari would have twin spinal columns rubs me the wrong way for some reason, about the only thing in you asari-phsiology I didn't agre with.

I can see that. I have a few things depending on it though.

Also, it’s not twin columns (if your mental picture is of the human spine), it‘s still a single spine, just divided in two

[VarrenSoldier]

Erenbe wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...
Anybody have something new to talk about?

What would be Liara's favorite ice cream flavor? Or do you think she is more into frozen yogurth?

I can see her as a strawberry or simply berry kind of person. Not so much chocolate, but I don't know why not 

Hollow's not gonna be happy. .

Modifié par VarrenSoldier, 05 mai 2012 - 11:58 .

[Erenbe]

VarrenSoldier wrote...

Erenbe wrote...
What would be Liara's favorite ice cream flavor? Or do you think she is more into frozen yogurth?

I can see her as a strawberry or simply berry kind of person. Not so much chocolate, but I don't know why not 

Hollow's not gonna be happy. .

Well, she can bath in it all she likes  I would assume though she likes it slightly warm and not frozen cold. Thus, berry flavored ice cream for Liara! 

[rubynorman]

Stawberry ice cream. I think she would like something sweet and a little sour. And she likes hot cocoa in my headcanon.

[Dude on Fire]

I really feel like making my own fan-fic sometime in the future, one that will rewrite at least half of Priority: Earth and onward. I'd want to make the final battle something with the same kind of message and attitude of Dead Space 2's

**SPOILER ALERT** "Damnit, I trusted you! F*ck you, and f*ck your marker!!!!" **SPOILER ALERT**

Shepard deserves that - to overcome the cycle, overcome the system, overcome the rules, because of the simple fact that he/she is Commander effing Shepard.

[WaterWar]

lillitheris wrote...

Also, it’s not twin columns (if your mental picture is of the human spine), it‘s still a single spine, just divided in two

I can't quite seem to picture how a spine could be divided in two, but not being twin coloums at the same time. Is it like a human spine, only that you have widened it so there is a small gap in the middle of the spine, so to speak? 

[Grimwick]

Akernis wrote...

Edit: top
Even if it is sad there is something I like about this picture.

That's a good pic! She looks so depressed, I wonder how long it would have been after the Normandy attack that she moved to Ilium... 

[Mad-Hamlet]

Popping in from the FOR THE LITTLE BLUE CHILDREN thead over in story discussion to share this.

Using Neeh's newest animation I cobbled together this little banner. Thought I'd share.

Enjoy it or don't.
No, there is no maleShep version.

[Lars10178]

Wow, this thread has a lot of posts

[DarkCloudd]

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...
I want a future for them, a peaceful and fruitful life together. I'm a soppy romantic.

I know exactly what you mean Obsidian, that's exactly what I want for my Shep and Liara. I will get it one way or another. Either with the EC or with FanFics.

Edit: uh crap gotta find a ToTP pic.... ummm lets have a ME1 Shep/Liara/Tali pic.



That's definately not a VI Liara.

Modifié par DarkCloudd, 05 mai 2012 - 01:47 .

[Dude on Fire]

*Throws up at the sight of Tali*