Aristobulus500 wrote...
Eh, I'm gonna throw in about Tali - I think she's a pretty boring character. I don't hate her - but she's like - the most uninteresting alien character by far. She's like the Kaidan of the alien characters, for me.
In ME1 all she was, was an encyclopedia about the Quarians, and she didn't do a good job endearing the Quarians to me by talking about how they enslaved a sentient race. And aside from being a Quarian, there wasn't much to her character there at all.
Young woman out on her own away from her own people for the first time, of course she'll be hyper-defensive about any perceived slight or criticism. Tell an 18 year old about the bad parts of their country's history when you're from somewhere else and you'll get the "how dare you judge us, foreigner?!" response 9 times out of 10.
In ME2, she was just too weak. She spends too much of the game just bumbling around trying way too hard to the reincarnation of Shepard for the Quarians and just failing, and then she has that really creepy hero worship crush on Shepard. She doesn't stand on her own nearly enough.
I can see this, to a point. I would, however, compare Freedom's Progress to Haestrom. On FP she can't control her people, no respect is shown to her and to cap it all she probably feels embarrassed when her arse is pulled out of the fire by her old Commander. She could take it as either a) a sign that Shepard still gives a crap about her and has been rescued/shown how it's done once more or
a lesson in how NOT to lead. She grows a lot between those two missions imo, but she's also learned to stand up for the vulnerable, viz her reaction when Miranda suggests Shepard "grab" Veetor.
And in ME3? A lot of the same. She gives in to pressure even though she's an Admiral, and is still hung up on being Quarian Shepard, even asks Shepard what he would do in her position. She's pushed around by the other Admirals and doesn't stand her ground, just overall weak. And her romance? ****ing creepy as ****. The sharpness in the way she'll do things like declare Shepard is "MINE." is just...
She's still only (equivalent) 21. I remember an ex-girlfriend of that age openly telling me her sister needed to get her own man as she wasn't sharing hers. I remember taking that kind of possessiveness pretty badly too, but that was an idle conversation and I'm pretty sure I hadn't just had 2.5 years of identity crisis hit me square in the face like Shepard had. Don't ignore the context of the "mine", the line is "You're real. Real and mine." Not the most eloquent way to reassure your BF, but not the worst way either.
As for giving in to pressure, she openly states she shut up when outvoted so as to present a united front. Sounds pretty mature to me.
Her terrible Talimancer fanbase is just icing, and is even more motivation to not like her. I mean, sure, you shouldn't let a bad fanbase color your perceptions of a character too much, but they do have some effect. After all, it's true that if you say you like Tali or she's your favorite LI, people are going to lump you in with Talimancers before you even do anything else. And I wouldn't want to be associated with Talimancers.
Their outliers, to borrow a statistical term, are about as weird/scary as it gets, true.
Edit - and of course, Tali pretty much steadfastly refuses to admit that enslaving the Geth was wrong. Huge points against her for that.
Can't think of a conversation option in ME3 that checks for character development in that regard, but her actions towards Legion and reaction to his death (assuming you make peace, which I always do) show clear evidence that she no longer feels that way. Plus she voted against the war and kept in touch with Legion between ME2 and ME3.
I think Tali gets a rough deal from her detractors, almost the mirror to her extreme supporters. I like the character, have 1 Shepard that romanced her just so I could see those conversations on my own screen (1900x1200) rather than crappy YouTube quality.
I can see where some of your points come from, but a lot of it feels a bit like a first impression sticking around. Sort of how I feel about Kaidan actually
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but if i am right that every asari is born with biotics does this mean she doesnt need an amp neither implants? maybe she uses some kind of amp to just improve her biotic power
Gosh...I won't get that image out of my head anymore 
