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[The Lightspeaker]

Tyranniac wrote...

Well done once again, I liked it! Suitable and emotional.

You have made a mistake however: Wrex was not on the Normandy when the Collectors attacked.

Was the last part from Redemption by the way? (I haven't read it so I have no clue.)

Lizardviking wrote...

Neither was Garrus. But since he worked on the Citadel it was possible he heard the news from the survivors themselves.

When researching I managed to find literally sod all details about where the hell anybody was for the attack. It added a ton of extra time to my work honestly. All you get is literally one cutscene and that's all I could find. If you guys have got some stuff I missed the please link it and I can make the adjustments I need to do. Thanks. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

Tyranniac wrote...

Was the last part from Redemption by the way? (I haven't read it so I have no clue.)

No, lead into Redemption. Not actually part of it.

lillitheris wrote...

One meta-note, though, is that I don’t think LotSB was intended to be played after the SM!

Quote:

"Like many of our missions, you can do the Shadowbroker DLC
before or after the suicide mission. However, because we understood that
most players would be coming to this after the suicide mission, we
weighted the dialog much more heavily toward the assumption that the
player had already completed it."

So, you CAN do it before you do
the suicide mission, but you'll get a different (and possibly more
flavorful) reaction if you play it after.

Reference:
http://social.biowar...ex/4638855&lf=8

Either way I've managed to plan the whole thing out so it works quite nicely in a very specific order.

Modifié par The Lightspeaker, 06 mai 2012 - 10:56 .

[Tyranniac]

Lizardviking wrote...

I will disagree with both statements, much stronger with the latter though.

Well, too make it as simple as possible:

The Illusive Man is the one that gives the intel to Shepard. That means Shepard must have gotten the intel before the Suicide Mission, and I don't know about you, but my Shepard would certainly head right to Illium and help Liara out as soon as she got the intel from TIM.

I think it makes a lot of sense for a Shepard that love Liara to want to clear up their relationship before going on away on a Suicide mission.

[Tyranniac]

The Lightspeaker wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...

Well done once again, I liked it! Suitable and emotional.

You have made a mistake however: Wrex was not on the Normandy when the Collectors attacked.

Was the last part from Redemption by the way? (I haven't read it so I have no clue.)

Lizardviking wrote...

Neither was Garrus. But since he worked on the Citadel it was possible he heard the news from the survivors themselves.

When researching I managed to find literally sod all details about where the hell anybody was for the attack. It added a ton of extra time to my work honestly. All you get is literally one cutscene and that's all I could find. If you guys have got some stuff I missed the please link it and I can make the adjustments I need to do. Thanks. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

I don't have any links, but when you meet Wrex on Tuchanka, he hasn't even heard that the Normandy has been destroyed until you tell him.

As for Garrus I don't know, but I do think Lizardviking is right because Jacob only mentions Liara and Tali when Shepard asks if the non-Alliance crew survived.

The Lightspeaker wrote...
Either way I've managed to plan the whole thing out so it works quite nicely in a very specific order. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

 

I take it you have a plan for explaining why Shepard didn't help Liara immediately then? 

Modifié par Tyranniac, 06 mai 2012 - 11:00 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

The Lightspeaker wrote...
When researching I managed to find literally sod all details about where the hell anybody was for the attack. It added a ton of extra time to my work honestly. All you get is literally one cutscene and that's all I could find. If you guys have got some stuff I missed the please link it and I can make the adjustments I need to do. Thanks. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

Jacob mentions on the Lazarus station that most of the alliance personal along with the quarian and the asari made it off the Normandy. The fact that he only mentions Liara and Tali heavily suggest  that they were the only aliens on the ship at the time.

Add to that that Wrex actually ask how the SR-1 is doing and Garrus' reaction when first seeing Shepard.

[The Lightspeaker]

I honestly couldn't remember the details of that conversation because I've literally blasted through ME2 as fast as possible in the limited time I've had. I'll make a few tiny adjustments.

Edit: Teeny, tiny edits made. Should be sufficient to clear up any inconsistencies. 

Modifié par The Lightspeaker, 06 mai 2012 - 11:05 .

[Tyranniac]

The Lightspeaker wrote...

I honestly couldn't remember the details of that conversation because I've literally blasted through ME2 as fast as possible in the limited time I've had. I'll make a few tiny adjustments.

I'm sure you'll be able to fix it. 

Looking forward ot the next piece by the way, I just started an ME2 playthrough a little while ago so this will be perfect to have something to read in the meanwhile like your other ones were for ME1.

[Furean]

Heyas folks. Here's yet another rendered scene from me that I've decided to call "Morning.".



And of course, wallpapers;

[The Lightspeaker]

Tyranniac wrote...
I'm sure you'll be able to fix it. 

It's already done, dunno if the new version has gone live yet though. Such a minor edit it only took about two minutes of editing. Just glad there's nothing more major.

[The Lightspeaker]

Tyranniac wrote...

The Lightspeaker wrote...
Either way I've managed to plan the whole thing out so it works quite nicely in a very specific order. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

 

I take it you have a plan for explaining why Shepard didn't help Liara immediately then? 

Not an explicit explanation because I never felt it needed "explaining" in that way. Although I'll be using my take on it as the "why", which is basically the explanation I've had in my head all along; so that'll be basically the basis of it. There's going to be an overall theme here running through the next couple of chapters methinks.


Err...doublepost...have some eyes:

Modifié par The Lightspeaker, 06 mai 2012 - 11:09 .

[lillitheris]

The Lightspeaker wrote...


Quote:

"Like many of our missions, you can do the Shadowbroker DLC
before or after the suicide mission. However, because we understood that
most players would be coming to this after the suicide mission, we
weighted the dialog much more heavily toward the assumption that the
player had already completed it."

So, you CAN do it before you do
the suicide mission, but you'll get a different (and possibly more
flavorful) reaction if you play it after.

Reference:
http://social.biowar...ex/4638855&lf=8

Either way I've managed to plan the whole thing out so it works quite nicely in a very specific order.

Ah, interesting! I do not doubt at all that you’ve got it well in hand.

Personally – and only accounting for the events in the game – I can’t imagine Eevs doing anything before sorting things out with Liara.

I even just loaded a save from early in the game when LotSB first came out rather than playing it in the end (except maybe one non-Liara playthrough, don’t remember), so now that you mention it, I can see how the dialogue might work even better post-mission. I still don’t see why I’d delay, but that’s a matter of taste.

[polor89]

To the ones that are writing Fanfic i think its better if shepard was to be neither male or female it helps the reader to be invest more in the story

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Tyranniac wrote...
The Illusive Man is the one that gives the intel to Shepard. That means Shepard must have gotten the intel before the Suicide Mission,

TIM is a pragmatic man. Even if Shepard is a fool who blows up the Collector base he can still get some more use out of him by having him take out the SB. So TIM sending the email post suicide mission is still in-character.


We also recieve our briefing about Arrival just after Horizon.
Does not stop it from making zero sense to be played during the ME2
maingame.

and I don't know about you, but my Shepard would certainly head right to
Illium and help Liara out as soon as she got the intel from TIM.

I think it makes a lot of sense for a Shepard that love Liara to want to clear up their relationship before going on away on a Suicide mission.

ME2 is meant to be the low point for Shepard. Having his relationship be fixed during the maingame undermines that. It also completely punctuate all of the emotions and weight the picture scene has.

[The Lightspeaker]

polor89 wrote...

To the ones that are writing Fanfic i think its better if shepard was to be neither male or female it helps the reader to be invest more in the story

That makes good romance absurdly hard to write you know?

And I tend to agree with Lizard. But you'll see what I'm doing when I've done it anyway. Trust me, it's not ALL going to be on a downer until after the suicide mission. 

Modifié par The Lightspeaker, 06 mai 2012 - 11:19 .

[Tyranniac]

The Lightspeaker wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...

The Lightspeaker wrote...
Either way I've managed to plan the whole thing out so it works quite nicely in a very specific order. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

 

I take it you have a plan for explaining why Shepard didn't help Liara immediately then? 

Not an explicit explanation because I never felt it needed "explaining" in that way. Although I'll be using my take on it as the "why", which is basically the explanation I've had in my head all along; so that'll be basically the basis of it. There's going to be an overall theme here running through the next couple of chapters methinks.

I see. It'll be interesting to see your take on it then! I suppose I can see how it might be more emotionally valuable to place it after since there'd be a longer period where the relationship is strained or even nonexistant, but I just haven't been able to find any reason why my Shepard wouldn't go see Liara as soon as she recieved the information. Maybe I'll think it through a bit differently this playthrough.

Lizardviking wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...
The Illusive Man is the one that gives the intel to Shepard. That means Shepard must have gotten the intel before the Suicide Mission,

TIM is a pragmatic man. Even if Shepard is a fool who blows up the Collector base he can still get some more use out of him by having him take out the SB. So TIM sending the email post suicide mission is still in-character.


We also recieve our briefing about Arrival just after Horizon. 
Does not stop it from making zero sense to be played during the ME2 
maingame.

and I don't know about you, but my Shepard would certainly head right to
Illium and help Liara out as soon as she got the intel from TIM.

I think it makes a lot of sense for a Shepard that love Liara to want to clear up their relationship before going on away on a Suicide mission.

ME2 is meant to be the low point for Shepard. Having his relationship be fixed during the maingame undermines that. It also completely punctuate all of the emotions and weight the picture scene has.

 

You know what, you make valid points, I think I might try it after the SM this playthrough.

Damn it, now I want to write something about their relationship in ME2. Guess I shouldn't though.

[polor89]

The Lightspeaker wrote...

polor89 wrote...

To the ones that are writing Fanfic i think its better if shepard was to be neither male or female it helps the reader to be invest more in the story

That makes good romance absurdly hard to write you know?

Not at all if your romance is Liara 

[Aristobulus500]

Yeah, I have to say I prefer LotSB being done after the Suicide Mission as well. I understand the complaint "why would Shepard wait so long to help Liara"...but it's not that, TIM only gives Shepard the information after the SM, we'll say. And why wouldn't he? He still wants Shepard on his side at that point.

Everything that happens in LotSB just makes a lot more sense to me to be happening as a lead-in to ME3, rather than happening during ME2 itself. Mostly because of how LotSB ends - with Liara the Shadow Broker, and staying on Hagalaz.

Here's the problems I have, if you complete it early - Liara doesn't do much more for Shepard, then. They basically stop interacting. And that makes no sense - both in a romantic sense and non. From a professional perspective, that Shadow Broker role should offer her tons of power to aid Shepard in many of his missions so it should really have changed how the game plays out - and in a romantic sense, it's odd that after the Normandy Tour, no matter how many missions you complete, Liara and Shep won't say any more to eachother. It's just a "Thanks for stopping by" and that's it. There's more discussions, no more romance, nothing at all.

And with how many missions you can still have to do to complete the game, if you do LotSB early enough, that will especially stand out as awkward.

But those are much easier to accept if you've done it post game, and then the lack of more stuff happening is because, well, no more time remains to make pass - it's just waiting on ME3.

[lillitheris]

Lizardviking wrote...

ME2 is meant to be the low point for Shepard. Having his relationship be fixed during the maingame undermines that. It also completely punctuate all of the emotions and weight the picture scene has.

I can’t accept that reasoning for myself. It does work well from a narrative perspective, but I tend to think strictly from a character’s perspective*.

TIM: “So, I have your lover’s location. Do you want to go to her and make up, or let her wait do it later – if you survive, which is pretty unlikely – so you can get a good angst going instead?”

Trite, I know, but…

Of course if you introduce more elements to the mix to explain why that happens, it’s a completely different matter. I’m only talking about what’s actually in the game, not hypotheticals.

* This has been an interesting change when writing Unity.

Modifié par lillitheris, 06 mai 2012 - 11:22 .

[The Lightspeaker]

polor89 wrote...

Not at all if your romance is Liara 

It's not the the romance itself, it's how you write it. Mind-melding can only take you so far in sexualised scenes and the lack of a usable pronoun (not to mention the lack of a first name) makes it absurdly hard. You could definiely write a short one-shot fanfic for it. But anything over, say, 5k words would become very unwieldly and awkward methinks.

lillitheris wrote...

I
can’t accept that reasoning for myself. It does work well from a
narrative perspective, but I tend to think strictly from a character’s
perspective*.

TIM: “So, I have your lover’s location. Do you want
to go to her and make up, or let her wait do it later – if you survive,
which is pretty unlikely – so you can get a good angst going instead?”

Wait...what? Meeting Liara has NOTHING to do with LotSB. You meet up with Liara and do things for her in normal ME2 regardless of LotSB...

The format of the game as far as Liara romance and real-life relief schedule went was: Go to Illium > Complete game> LotSB was released and you could go back to Liara to do it

Modifié par The Lightspeaker, 06 mai 2012 - 11:25 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

polor89 wrote...

The Lightspeaker wrote...

polor89 wrote...

To the ones that are writing Fanfic i think its better if shepard was to be neither male or female it helps the reader to be invest more in the story

That makes good romance absurdly hard to write you know?

Not at all if your romance is Liara 

The more neutral a story has to be with characters (which are important when we are dealing with a story with romance), the more bad it seems.

Just what I have seen from experience. It is one of the reasons Redemption is so terrible, because it can¨t make any assumptions about Liara and Shepard's relationship.

[Tyranniac]

 I'm heading off to sleep now, but thanks for inspiring me to try LotSB after the SM, more agonizing is always nice as long as it ends well!

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

lillitheris wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

ME2 is meant to be the low point for Shepard. Having his relationship be fixed during the maingame undermines that. It also completely punctuate all of the emotions and weight the picture scene has.

I can’t accept that reasoning for myself. It does work well from a narrative perspective, but I tend to think strictly from a character’s perspective*.

TIM: “So, I have your lover’s location. Do you want to go to her and make up, or let her wait do it later – if you survive, which is pretty unlikely – so you can get a good angst going instead?”

Trite, I know, but…

Of course if you introduce more elements to the mix to explain why that happens, it’s a completely different matter. I’m only talking about what’s actually in the game, not hypotheticals.

* This has been an interesting change when writing Unity.

Recieving the email and the arrival briefing is simply a case of gameplay and story segregation for me. It is something I easily can get past.

[polor89]

The Lightspeaker wrote...

polor89 wrote...

Not at all if your romance is Liara 

It's not the the romance itself, it's how you write it. Mind-melding can only take you so far in sexualised scenes and the lack of a usable pronoun (not to mention the lack of a first name) makes it absurdly hard. You could definiely write a short one-shot fanfic for it. But anything over, say, 5k words would become very unwieldly and awkward methinks.

Well i take your word for it because you know more than i do for this stuff but still making  shepard for example female it kinds of "closing out" the male players and this goes in reverse too thats why i think a no gender-shepard caters to a wider audience(i sounded like bioware now advertising ME3 lol)

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

The Lightspeaker wrote...
And I tend to agree with Lizard. But
you'll see what I'm doing when I've done it anyway. Trust me, it's not
ALL going to be on a downer until after the suicide mission.  [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

Agree om what?

[The Lightspeaker]

polor89 wrote...

Well i take your word for it because you know more than i do for this stuff but still making  shepard for example female it kinds of "closing out" the male players and this goes in reverse too thats why i think a no gender-shepard caters to a wider audience(i sounded like bioware now advertising ME3 lol)

In principle it does but from a practical point of view it is literally impossible to write a good story of any length without it. Because it means your main character has to have zero personality basically.

I actually really, really dislike this tendency for a lot of Western RPGs to do that actually. They give their character absolutely zero personality in order to allow people to project themselves onto the character. Which is fine, but it's usually at the expense of the story in that the main character has no connection to the story itself, with no emotions and no desires, they're just part of it. Mass Effect is an interesting exception because Shepard clearly has a personality, but that personality can be steered in slightly different directions to align it with your own.

Lizardviking wrote...
Agree om what?[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/surprised.png[/smilie]

This:

ME2 is meant to
be the low point for Shepard. Having his relationship be fixed during
the maingame undermines that.

Top:
http://www.dc-digita...TM5ZjMyY2ZiYzg2

Modifié par The Lightspeaker, 06 mai 2012 - 11:37 .

[Akernis]

Tyranniac wrote...
You really should read them, they descipt the characters accurately and are very emotional and passionate.

Arcataye wrote...
I urge you to read them.

Aristobulus500 wrote...
So please don't get a more negative view of the stories than I intend - they are astounding and you really should read them.

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Akernis wrote...
Okay I will give them a look, not usually much for explicit or sex stories, but I trust you guys when you say they are tasteful

Cool. Let us know what you think. I agree with you too, I'm hardly one to read sex stories because they are usually not tasteful and they are usually out of character, and all about the pure sex. This really is different.

The Lightspeaker wrote...
Rae does what I try to do and use sexually-charged and romantic writing in order to further her characters. Albeit she is a far better writer than I am. And is more comfortable with being more explicit than I am right now.

I'd take a look, honestly.

Tyranniac wrote...
Wouldn't recommend them (or even read them) if they weren't. Seems rare to find fanfics that go into sexual territory while still being well done and tasteful, but these really are in character and both emotional and passionate. They do a great job with describing the melding as well and actually help add depth to the relationship.

I just read the three of them... and thank you guys for the gentle push, the experience was abosolutely brilliant   the mindmelding sequences in particular.
I am normally very uncomfortable with explicit and the like but rather than feeling repulsed I was actually enraptured by the skill, feeling and tenderness employed. It was just a tad too strong for me but it was well worth that.
The first was my favourite, I actually shed tears there, followed by the third, but all three were masterpieces of art .