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[MidnightRaith]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Akernis wrote...

I know we passed the fanfic discussion but I just have a question, when you guys read ME fanfics do you prefer when the author uses Shepard's first name so that it is more realistic or when he/she is simply referred to as "Shepard" so that it is more immersive?

I prefer when they just use the name "Shepard" since that's all that ever gets said in game. It's come to the point where "Shepard" actually feels like his first name rather than a last name.

Sure, it makes things odd when you realize even a close, intimate lover like Liara is still calling him by his last name, but it's easy to let slide.

It's just what Shepard goes by - just like how some people will go by their middle name or something like that.

"Shepard" is Shepard's identity. While I would prefer the Shepard in question to have a first name, I don't want characters in the fic to just start using it regularly. It's jarring. Shepard's first name should be reserved for intimate, emotional sequences, in my opinion. Think Bones on this. Booth and Brennan call each other Booth and Bones. They only use their first names with each other in emotionally charged moments, or in the case of Brennan, not at all. "Booth" and "Bones" are their names for each other, it's not a question of formality or anything. Same thing with Shepard. Shepard is introduced to people as such and is called such regularly. Liara would follow the trend because that's what Shepard would answer to. However, they are also in a relationship, so Liara would be one of the few to address Shepard by their first name. If it's used too much, then it's weird though.

[DarkCloudd]

Akernis wrote...

I know we passed the fanfic discussion but I just have a question, when you guys read ME fanfics do you prefer when the author uses Shepard's first name so that it is more realistic or when he/she is simply referred to as "Shepard" so that it is more immersive?

I personally think it depends on how fleshed out the Fanfic is. Just your standard oneshot or single crackfic or something I don't have a problem with just Shepard. Something like the Dark Energy series I don't think I could see Liara only calling her Shepard given how deep and involved the story is. Also I think it depends on how deep of a relationship there is between Liara and Shepard.

[Wulfram]

Liara: And then Marianne said ...
Joker: Wait, who the **** is Marianne
Liara: Er...
Vega: I think Doc means Lola, Joker
Shepard: Commander Marianne Shepard, Joker. I believe we've met? Don't worry, it's still Shepard to you.

[Akernis]

MidnightRaith wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Akernis wrote...

I know we passed the fanfic discussion but I just have a question, when you guys read ME fanfics do you prefer when the author uses Shepard's first name so that it is more realistic or when he/she is simply referred to as "Shepard" so that it is more immersive?

I prefer when they just use the name "Shepard" since that's all that ever gets said in game. It's come to the point where "Shepard" actually feels like his first name rather than a last name.

Sure, it makes things odd when you realize even a close, intimate lover like Liara is still calling him by his last name, but it's easy to let slide.

It's just what Shepard goes by - just like how some people will go by their middle name or something like that.

"Shepard" is Shepard's identity. While I would prefer the Shepard in question to have a first name, I don't want characters in the fic to just start using it regularly. It's jarring. Shepard's first name should be reserved for intimate, emotional sequences, in my opinion. Think Bones on this. Booth and Brennan call each other Booth and Bones. They only use their first names with each other in emotionally charged moments, or in the case of Brennan, not at all. "Booth" and "Bones" are their names for each other, it's not a question of formality or anything. Same thing with Shepard. Shepard is introduced to people as such and is called such regularly. Liara would follow the trend because that's what Shepard would answer to. However, they are also in a relationship, so Liara would be one of the few to address Shepard by their first name. If it's used too much, then it's weird though.

That makes sense, though I was thinking more along the lines of desciption wise.
For example I remeber when reading TheMarshall or Lightspeaker's fics they describe the actions and thought of Shepard with the first name (Alice thought about.... / Naomi walked over and...) where in Rae's Can Wait stories its always "Shepard did / Shepard said..." 
 

[MidnightRaith]

Akernis wrote...
That makes sense, though I was thinking more along the lines of desciption wise.
For example I remeber when reading TheMarshall or Lightspeaker's fics they describe the actions and thought of Shepard with the first name (Alice thought about.... / Naomi walked over and...) where in Rae's Can Wait stories its always "Shepard did / Shepard said..." 
 

That would depend upon the POV. If the fic is in Shepard's point of view, then I'd have no problem with him/her addressing themselves by their own name. It would be pretty weird otherwise and seem like the author themselves were just trying to make Shepard into a character that everyone can relate to. It would be awkward and unwieldy. So, "Serra walked to the terminal..." wouldn't be a problem if the POV was Third Person Limited with Shepard narrating events.

However, in the case of Third Person Limited with another character, Third Person Omniscent, or First Person with another character, I wouldn't like it at all. I'm writing a Third Person Limited in Liara's point of view. I have her referring to Shepard as "the commander" more often than "Shepard" in her thoughts at this time because they just met. As the fic goes on, she'll go with "Shepard" more often and rarely "Serra."

[lillitheris]

Tyranniac wrote...


Don't you think it would be easier if you just said "I think they develop their preferences during their maiden years" ather than this slightly-too-fancy text? Anyway, not sure if I agree or not, haven't given much thought to this before.

My unelaborated answer to this is maybe.

[Dude on Fire]

MidnightRaith wrote...

Dude on Fire wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

It probably depends on the culture the Asari find themselves immersed in. An Asari on a human dominated planet or area, or on the Citadel, is probably more likely to think of things along masculine/feminine terms and perhaps form an individual taste for one over the other.

An Asari in a largely Asari controlled area like Thessia or something? Probably much, much less likely to do so. It probably just comes down to individual Asari preferences in those cases or something.

Still, it is known that human ******-/bisexuality per definition is "carried" from birth (whether if it manifests in puberty or not), just like heterosexuality is. I can choose to be gay all I want, I won't be. I can also be raised in a family with ie. two dads, but it'll only open my eyes and make me have greater tolerance for different sexuality. If I'm actually altering my sexuality solely because of my surroundings, then I've misunderstood the definition of sexuality. It's something completely personal, something that is in the very core of our selves - our souls, if you will. But since Asari are per deinition bisexual, it would probably work a lot different for them. I wonder if there are monosexual Asari... just to spice up my theory.

That would suggest that scientists would have found a "sexuality" gene in our genome if ******/hetero/bisexuality were determined at birth. I may be Christian, but I don't ignore science and I love biology. It's not actually "known" as you claim. However, it is known that geneticists have mapped out the human genome. They've discovered that everything from Epilepsy, to whether or not someone is inclined to be introverted is already in our genes. There are the Mendelan traits, such as tongue rolling and eye color in the case of brown vs blue, that are determined by one gene you inherit from you parents.

Then there are far more complex traits such as eye color in the case of green, hazel and the like, height and Epilepsy as I mentioned, that are determined by a variety of genes. Sexuality has not been found in either of these types of traits. The only reason people seem to think that this would be so is because there are actual, biological differences between heterosexual and homosexual people as far as the brain goes. However, instead of a gene, development during puberty would explain the differences because it is known that humans go through extensive development, biologically and psychologically, during this time.

If we were to find the "sexuality" gene (which I doubt because we've come a long way in mapping out the human genome) I'd accept it. I'm not exactly strict on homosexuality and bisexuality issue considering I'm the latter. However, claiming that one is a certain orientation at birth seems like an excuse or an attempt to be politically correct. Something along the lines of "I'm gay, and I can't help it." However, it's a bit pointless anyway. Considering this is something that happens during puberty, it would still be something people can't change so, you'd still be gay and you'd still be unable to help it.....

Modifié par Dude on Fire, 07 mai 2012 - 11:41 .

[MidnightRaith]

Ugh, that guy's hairstyle turns me off on anything he would say, regardless of him sounding stupid to begin with. Einstein pulled the crazy hair style off. You don't, sir....

[The Lightspeaker]

Akernis wrote...

I know we passed the fanfic discussion but I just have a question, when you guys read ME fanfics do you prefer when the author uses Shepard's first name so that it is more realistic or when he/she is simply referred to as "Shepard" so that it is more immersive?

I toyed with the "name neutral" idea for my work. But it just doesn't feel right to me. Not if you're trying to write something emotional and personal. It makes it seem really cold to have characters referring to Shepard as just "Shepard" all the time. The game gets away with it because honestly it's kept to a relative minimum but for a fanfic you're more likely to have the same characters over and over, so you'd think they'd be on first name terms. At least close friends and your love interest.

I can understand why people go with it; but for something like my thing where I'm doing the same character and same story across multiple fics it'd pretty much kill me having to write like that. Would feel just wrong. Especially since my fic thus far has varied between the personal viewpoints of Shepard and Liara; would feel very odd to have Shepard-focussed bits having Shepard being just "Shepard".


I don't think it makes an awful lot of difference personally, whatever makes the writing easier. *shrug*

[Dude on Fire]

MidnightRaith wrote...

Ugh, that guy's hairstyle turns me off on anything he would say, regardless of him sounding stupid to begin with. Einstein pulled the crazy hair style off. You don't, sir....

Bro... brobrobrobrobro... or gal... the difference is... that Giorgio Tsoukalos... IS EFFING EPIC. Like, he's not saying... that there have been aliens on earth... but he does say that the reason why a lot of culutres draw somewhat similar serpent monsters in old drawings is that aliens came and dropped off a radio active snake-space ship that killed anyone trying to get near it. I MEAN, HOW ****** ISN'T THAT?

[lillitheris]

Lizardviking wrote...

Doesn't the game already state that the Asari have "super-pheromones"? Mordin mentions on Illium that just being near asari can make salarians aroused despite their lack of a sex drive. Also remember Morinth who had people drool over her long after she was done talking to them (the first guy you meet in the VIP club who talks about expel 10). Granted Morinth is an extreme case.

I didn’t take Mordin’s chattering quite seriously – and in any case, some Salarians could still feel attraction when they come across a particular asari (although I find the concept a little puzzling because it seems they actually don’t have anything resembling romance but that’s beside the point).

The Ardat-Yakshi, I think, work mostly via mental control but we could also assume that a part of the condition is emitting a broader and stronger spectrum of markers than your average asari.

[Wulfram]

My head canon is that Asari attraction works on some sort of subconscious empathic level, and is a response to finding a compatible sort of mind.

[MidnightRaith]

Dude on Fire wrote...

MidnightRaith wrote...

Ugh, that guy's hairstyle turns me off on anything he would say, regardless of him sounding stupid to begin with. Einstein pulled the crazy hair style off. You don't, sir....

Bro... brobrobrobrobro... or gal... the difference is... that Giorgio Tsoukalos... IS EFFING EPIC. Like, he's not saying... that there have been aliens on earth... but he does say that the reason why a lot of culutres draw somewhat similar serpent monsters in old drawings is that aliens came and dropped off a radio active snake-space ship that killed anyone trying to get near it. I MEAN, HOW ****** ISN'T THAT?

Gal, here.  That's what he says?  That kind of sounds like he's talking about something that would happen in sci-fi instead of a feasible, working theory for alien existence. Where's the evidence to support that? I like the concept of alien existence, but that sounds unrealistic to me....

[Brooks Mac]

I like the concept of asari existence...

[MidnightRaith]

I like the concept of the Mass Effect universe to exist period. Except for the whole Reaper thing though....

[moreeman06]

Akernis wrote...

I know we passed the fanfic discussion but I just have a question, when you guys read ME fanfics do you prefer when the author uses Shepard's first name so that it is more realistic or when he/she is simply referred to as "Shepard" so that it is more immersive?

I prefer the first name in almost all fics whether writing or reading.

Ecrulis wrote...

Afternoon Thread! So Im considering writing a back story for my renegade femshep (colonist, ruthless) and was wondering if I could send a page or two to someone for some critique. Im still at work now so the initial pages or two wont be done till tonight or tomorrow and Im still rattling some ideas around my head but I figured I'd come here and ask

 

I'll look over it but you probably won't get any feedback for a day or so, I'm beat and am going to bed see you guys later:)

[Yuqi]

So I just started a default 'numerous casulties' playthrough of ME3. Liara says commander in the ' isn't it worth trying at least' convo instead of her saying Shepard. I was wondering if that also happens with an import that doesn't have Liara as the LI, or if it's only in the default.

Modifié par Yuqi, 08 mai 2012 - 04:03 .

[PMC65]

Tali & Liara talk about Virmire

[MidnightRaith]

This isn't in the game? Why not? It's great.... Especially since Tali and Liara are two of my favorite characters and it lets the player know that it isn't just Shepard that thinks about the Virmire victim.

PMC, how's your fic coming along? I'm going through withdrawal....

[Akernis]

PMC65 wrote...

Tali & Liara talk about Virmire

Nice, thank you.

[rubynorman]

I like the concept of being able to choose whatever universe you like to live in.

Yuqi wrote...

So I just started a default 'numerous casulties' playthrough of ME3. Liara says commander in the ' isn't it worth trying at least' convo instead of her saying Shepard. I was wondering if that also happens with an import that doesn't have Liara as the LI, or if it's only in the default.

I just used my friend's save files. She didn't play ME1 and romanced Tali in ME2, and did the lotSB DLC. Liara said " Commander. isn't it worth trying at least"

[PMC65]

MidnightRaith wrote...

This isn't in the game? Why not? It's great.... Especially since Tali and Liara are two of my favorite characters and it lets the player know that it isn't just Shepard that thinks about the Virmire victim.

PMC, how's your fic coming along? I'm going through withdrawal....

It's going well ... Hopefully will post tomorrow or Wednesday at the latest. I'll be dropping two chapters at once if all goes well.

I enjoyed hearing Ash & Kaidan talk about Virmire to Tali as well. It is a shame that these weren't in the game. There was a really good dialogue with Shepard & Ashley that got cut as well where she asks if he saw anything when he died. He tells her that he didn't ... This for me would have been a really honest and in character dialogue between Ashley and PV Shepard.  

[MidnightRaith]

PMC65 wrote...

It's going well ... Hopefully will post tomorrow or Wednesday at the latest. I'll be dropping two chapters at once if all goes well.

:wub: Can't wait....

PMC65 wrote...

I enjoyed hearing Ash & Kaidan talk about Virmire to Tali as well. It is a shame that these weren't in the game. There was a really good dialogue with Shepard & Ashley that got cut as well where she asks if he saw anything when he died. He tells her that he didn't ... This for me would have been a really honest and in character dialogue between Ashley and PV Shepard.  

I saw that cut too and I felt that the game really should have kept it. Ashley is a rather good example of a video game character that believes in God. Really, it's actually a break in her character that she doesn't ask Shepard about his/her death. To be honest, I would have liked to talk with her about this because I would have been interested in the question myself, especially if we had an option to lean towards seeing something if the player was religious themselves. So many cut corners.... 

[Nharia1]

@PMC
I'm really enjoying The Shepherdess and the Questing Beast. Oh I can't wait for the next chapter. >,<
Edit: Ah.... *finds a pic* Here have a Liara~!

th00.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2010/257/3/1/liara_by_exullium-d2yq773.jpg

Modifié par Nharia1, 08 mai 2012 - 05:23 .

[Kaelef]

Just captured this in ME1 and though it was purty....

Modifié par Kaelef, 08 mai 2012 - 05:30 .