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[Neeh]

Tyranniac wrote...

Really? The only time I recall that it wasn't purple is when Tela Vasir dies in LotSB, and even then her blood was purple in the previous scene.

I can't remember if any is shown when Samara kills herself, but it seems alot of blood spatter and clouds from Asari killed is red.

And if Liara gets killed by Harbinger at the end she ends up in a pool of red blood. I'm fairly sure purple is the right way to go of course, but it seems they keep forgetting...and Liaras blood at the end would be the same for any other squadmember, so just an oversight I guess.
Does make me wonder if EDI would have a blood pool though..

Modifié par Neeh, 08 mai 2012 - 03:58 .

[DOsquareZER]

EDI's isn't blood - its Hydraulic Fluid obviously.

Modifié par doozer12, 08 mai 2012 - 04:06 .

[Ecrulis]

doozer12 wrote...

Ecrulis wrote...

 Its too quiet in here, 

I say we post more pictures!

I wish I knew how to post pictures 

You sure about that?  Oh fine you convinced me.  Let there be images!

*Nightmare inducing pic snip*

Also in regards to the EC, i expect nothing more then a flock of seagulls and an oil spill.  Maybe with a little Ali Hillis narrating it in that...low volume...seductive....canter of an alluring voice she does for liara. 

Tela vasir's blood wasn't purple?  ...when?  the pools she was leaking all over the place were...
Edit: ok maybe when she dies against the wall but...ill chalk that up to a lazy edit or maybe Illiums sun shifted in color or something *shrugs* - seeing thats really...the only out of place thing in that entire DLC.

Wha...Wha...I have no words.........does anyone have any brain bleach?

[Theodoro]

Akernis wrote...

Theodoro wrote...
Definitely not sane anymore with my obsession with Liara!

He is definately one of us.
welcome aboard

Thanks, I'm glad to be here!

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Awesome, be glad to have someone else willing to take part in more in depth discussions. I certainly agree with you on a few points already - Lightbringers blog about the sheer power of the very real emotions ME3 - and even Liara and her romance - can make you feel...he's absolutely correct. And it's something very difficult and hard to accept and recognize. I think it's something quite a lot of people struggle with, because it's such a new experience when it comes to videogames.

Also, this thread is, from my experience, one of the last pretty reasonable places left to discuss ME and especially Liara/the Asari. It's not that you can't else where...but for example, look at the general forums here. It's full of extreme negativity - most of it is related to ****ing about the endings, but other popular topics include just general ****ting all over Liara and the Asari. There's also just a lot of infighting and bickering, and people absolutely to tear Liara fans to shreds. This doesn't just happen on the BSN, as well...

I stick with my comparison that this thread is like an Oasis in a desert of pure rage and depression.

Yeah, I can't quite fathom why Liara gets as much hate as she does. The most common complaint I see is something along the lines of 'Why do I have to take Liara on Thessia? That's four missions with her! Completely unacceptable!'

I mean, Garrus, a turian, is a part of the quest on Palaven. Wrex, a krogan, is on Tuchanka, Mordin, a salarian, is on Sur'Kesh, Shepard, a human, is on Earth. Yet I don't see any complaints as to why they are a part of these missions. What do they have in common? They all want to help save their homeworlds and respective races from the threat of the Reapers, so what sense would it make for Liara not to be on Thessia?

Not only is it the capital of her species, it's also her birthplace. I just can't see Liara not insisting on coming along on Thessia. That's like Shepard not wanting to help Earth. And it would have been very out-of-character if she hadn't. Her courage and determination, not only in this episode, but throughout the trilogy is one of the many things one should admire in her. She's part of Shepard's crew for a reason.

Same goes with her knowledge of the Protheans during the mission on Eden Prime. Why wouldn't she make use of it? Who is to blame that Liara, among other things, is such a useful source of information when it comes to Protheans? 

[Aristobulus500]

Neeh wrote...
Also, there seems to be alot of inconsistency when it comes to the color of Asari blood..

ME3 is awkward with blood in general - I suspect again, that lots of it is just due to the game being so rushed. ME2 wasn't rushed, so they paid attention and had aliens bleed the colors they were supposed to - ME3 is rushed so they just use generic blood effects for everything - as Neeh points out, Liara can be lying in a pool of red blood at the end - and you'll see other Asari bleeding red.

It's just because it's "squadmember" in "blood effect", for example. It's just an oversight due to being rushed.

It's a shame, too. The aliens having different colored blood is a really neat effect - and they DO remember this during scenes that weren't rushed. Mordin bleeds green, after all. And Asari having purple blood is actually something that really fits them and makes sense.

But god, never play the London rush with low EMS. I never did, saw the scene on youtube - Liara actually lying there on the ground, dead in a pool of her own blood, is the most painful thing to see. Woulda broke me to see it on my own run, but then it's exactly why I'm such a completionist, so that I can get the best endings and not have to see **** like that.

[Ecrulis]

GAH! double post! damn you reply post delay! *shakes fist* 

Modifié par Ecrulis, 08 mai 2012 - 04:10 .

[FRANCESCO84Inn]

but the Banshee was made only form Ardat-Yakshi, so Liara not have this problem :-)


Edit :

the blood not is the only problem in ME3, i found problem in texture skin, or in some cut-scene,

for example i not like the choices of BioWare to not put in some cut-scene the class power of Shepard,

all my Famel Shepard have Biotic Power, but i never watch my Fem Shep use the biotic power in cut-scene,

or in Mass Effect i never found any information about the use of prosthesis, so Leng its a anomaly come from Deus Ex HR.

Modifié par FRANCESCO84Inn, 08 mai 2012 - 04:18 .

[Aristobulus500]

Theodoro wrote...
Yeah, I can't quite fathom why Liara gets as much hate as she does. The most common complaint I see is something along the lines of 'Why do I have to take Liara on Thessia? That's four missions with her! Completely unacceptable!'

I mean, Garrus, a turian, is a part of the quest on Palaven. Wrex, a krogan, is on Tuchanka, Mordin, a salarian, is on Sur'Kesh, Shepard, a human, is on Earth. Yet I don't see any complaints as to why they are a part of these missions. What do they have in common? They all want to help save their homeworlds and respective races from the threat of the Reapers, so what sense would it make for Liara not to be on Thessia?

Not only is it the capital of her species, it's also her birthplace. I just can't see Liara not insisting on coming along on Thessia. That's like Shepard not wanting to help Earth. And it would have been very out-of-character if she hadn't. Her courage and determination, not only in this episode, but throughout the trilogy is one of the many things one should admire in her. She's part of Shepard's crew for a reason.

Same goes with her knowledge of the Protheans during the mission on Eden Prime. Why wouldn't she make use of it? Who is to blame that Liara, among other things, is such a useful source of information when it comes to Protheans? 

You're exactly right. Something you have to realize about these haters is that they aren't being reasonable. They aren't actually trying to make the game better, they aren't pointing out flaws with Liara or things that are inconsistent or bad about her, or "it doesn't make sense/is bad writing for this to happen"...it's not fair and reasonable complaints.

Most of it is pure jealousy and spite - they are mad that Liara got more coverage than their preferred character and they retaliate by lashing out at Liara and her fans. To be clear, they have perfectly valid complaints about how little screentime their LI's may have gotten, but the way they go about voicing things is all wrong - rather than making sound arguments and criticisms about what else needed to be done with their character, they would rather simply attack and tear down Liara. They choose to attempt to tear down Liara to their level instead of building up their LI to hers.

As you've no doubt seen yourself, most of their complaints are just petty nonsense easily dispelled - but they aren't listening. They don't WANT to listen and have a fair debate or argument because they don't *want* to be wrong about Liara. They've built up this fabricated, weaker character in their minds and slapped the label "Liara" on it and they rail against this imaginary character.

It's just petty flailing about, really.

[Ecrulis]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Theodoro wrote...
Yeah, I can't quite fathom why Liara gets as much hate as she does. The most common complaint I see is something along the lines of 'Why do I have to take Liara on Thessia? That's four missions with her! Completely unacceptable!'

I mean, Garrus, a turian, is a part of the quest on Palaven. Wrex, a krogan, is on Tuchanka, Mordin, a salarian, is on Sur'Kesh, Shepard, a human, is on Earth. Yet I don't see any complaints as to why they are a part of these missions. What do they have in common? They all want to help save their homeworlds and respective races from the threat of the Reapers, so what sense would it make for Liara not to be on Thessia?

Not only is it the capital of her species, it's also her birthplace. I just can't see Liara not insisting on coming along on Thessia. That's like Shepard not wanting to help Earth. And it would have been very out-of-character if she hadn't. Her courage and determination, not only in this episode, but throughout the trilogy is one of the many things one should admire in her. She's part of Shepard's crew for a reason.

Same goes with her knowledge of the Protheans during the mission on Eden Prime. Why wouldn't she make use of it? Who is to blame that Liara, among other things, is such a useful source of information when it comes to Protheans? 

You're exactly right. Something you have to realize about these haters is that they aren't being reasonable. They aren't actually trying to make the game better, they aren't pointing out flaws with Liara or things that are inconsistent or bad about her, or "it doesn't make sense/is bad writing for this to happen"...it's not fair and reasonable complaints.

Most of it is pure jealousy and spite - they are mad that Liara got more coverage than their preferred character and they retaliate by lashing out at Liara and her fans. To be clear, they have perfectly valid complaints about how little screentime their LI's may have gotten, but the way they go about voicing things is all wrong - rather than making sound arguments and criticisms about what else needed to be done with their character, they would rather simply attack and tear down Liara. They choose to attempt to tear down Liara to their level instead of building up their LI to hers.

As you've no doubt seen yourself, most of their complaints are just petty nonsense easily dispelled - but they aren't listening. They don't WANT to listen and have a fair debate or argument because they don't *want* to be wrong about Liara. They've built up this fabricated, weaker character in their minds and slapped the label "Liara" on it and they rail against this imaginary character.

It's just petty flailing about, really.

Totally agree all the hate seems to stem from Liara having the most coverage as LI, Which I agree with and I believe the other LI should get just as much screen time, for example Id love to see the Time Capsule scene with Liara to be exclusive to Liaramancers and have it be more intimate, and if you have another LI they are the ones who come up saying something along the lines of "Liara asked me about you but I wasnt sure what to say" or something. But instead of talk about adding stuff to make their LI more complete they'd rather throw around hate, its really juvenile 

[Robhuzz]

Also in regards to the EC, i expect nothing more then a flock of seagulls and an oil spill. Maybe with a little Ali Hillis narrating it in that...low volume...seductive....canter of an alluring voice she does for liara.

Hmm seductive Liara voice...

[Kaelef]

Does anyone have any theories as to why there seem to be more femShep + LI images and stories than boyShep + LI?

My own quick, uninformed theory is that there are more women who are into fanfic in general, or more women who are willing to put in the effort to author/create new work in fanfic. Not sure that this explains why we see so many femShep + female_LI pieces compared to boyShep + female_LI, though...

Hmmmm....

EDIT: I could also just be a Liara thing, seeing as how that's the main character I pay attention to...   

Modifié par Kaelef, 08 mai 2012 - 04:31 .

[Theodoro]

Aristobulus500 wrote...
Most of it is pure jealousy and spite - they are mad that Liara got more coverage than their preferred character and they retaliate by lashing out at Liara and her fans. To be clear, they have perfectly valid complaints about how little screentime their LI's may have gotten, but the way they go about voicing things is all wrong - rather than making sound arguments and criticisms about what else needed to be done with their character, they would rather simply attack and tear down Liara. They choose to attempt to tear down Liara to their level instead of building up their LI to hers.

Indeed, I myself would have been pretty angry if I had romanced one of the Mass Effect 2 exclusive characters, but I sure as hell wouldn't have taken it out on Liara. If I followed their logic, in the pre-LotSB ME2 when I felt unsatisfied with the romance-specific scene with Liara (or almost lack thereof) I would have been supposed to bash on, say, Tali or Jack, just because they've got more content? Real mature. I would have expressed my disappointment, sure, but I'd never try to stir up hate on other characters for that reason.

Luckily for me personally, my other favorite romances are with Kaidan and Garrus, and I was satisfied with both.

Let's hope that the Extended Cut, among all other things that I demand from it, brings some sort of closure or resolution with all LIs, and then maybe people would stop hating.

Does anyone have any theories as to why there seem to be more femShep + LI images and stories than boyShep + LI?

Can't know for certain, but femShep seems really popular among fans, male and female alike. I personally almost always play with femShep and seeing as I am also a fan of her romance with Kaidan and Garrus, if I were inclined to write a romance story, then I'd use femShep as the main character.

Modifié par Theodoro, 08 mai 2012 - 04:41 .

[The Lightspeaker]

Kaelef wrote...

Does anyone have any theories as to why there seem to be more femShep + LI images and stories than boyShep + LI?

My own quick, uninformed theory is that there are more women who are into fanfic in general, or more women who are willing to put in the effort to author/create new work in fanfic. Not sure that this explains why we see so many femShep + female_LI pieces compared to boyShep + female_LI, though...

Hmmmm....

EDIT: I could also just be a Liara thing, seeing as how that's the main character I pay attention to...   

Why are you assuming that females play femshep and and guys play maleshep? I mean really...this kinda stuff again...? *sigh*

I'm a guy. I play a femshep because I felt Shepard worked better that way and I connected with Shepard better when she was female. I romanced Liara because that "felt" right. I therefore write my fanfic as my own Femshep + Liara.

No, I'm not gay or transsexual or anything like that. No, I didn't make those decisions due to being obsessed with "hawt lesbian sex" because I'm not a shallow ****.


Is there a problem somewhere in all that?

[DarkCloudd]

Kaelef wrote...

Does anyone have any theories as to why there seem to be more femShep + LI images and stories than boyShep + LI?

My own quick, uninformed theory is that there are more women who are into fanfic in general, or more women who are willing to put in the effort to author/create new work in fanfic. Not sure that this explains why we see so many femShep + female_LI pieces compared to boyShep + female_LI, though...

Hmmmm....

EDIT: I could also just be a Liara thing, seeing as how that's the main character I pay attention to...   

I hate to get into this topic because its such a weighty issue but I will anyway, I'm a glutton for punishment I guess.

From the discussions in this thread and others it mainly boils down to some people just feel that Liara+Femshep have better chemistry in game. Granted thats just what I'm getting out of the conversation, I could be horribly incorrect. I honestly haven't played a Broshep+Liara romance mainly because ME2 ruined Broshep for me, and I really like Jen Hale's VA compared to Meer's.

Like I said it just my opinion so take it as you will.

[Aristobulus500]

Kaelef wrote...

Does anyone have any theories as to why there seem to be more femShep + LI images and stories than boyShep + LI?

My own quick, uninformed theory is that there are more women who are into fanfic in general, or more women who are willing to put in the effort to author/create new work in fanfic. Not sure that this explains why we see so many femShep + female_LI pieces compared to boyShep + female_LI, though...

Hmmmm....

EDIT: I could also just be a Liara thing, seeing as how that's the main character I pay attention to...   

First, I'm a MaleShep player, so I want to get that I'm saying this from that perspective and not from a bias against that...

But my guess is FemShep players just tend to be more on board with the deep intricacies of the characters and the writing, and all the depth of the Liara/Shep romance. So they are the ones more likely to want to explore it further with art and writing.

MaleShep players are probably typically more into the action side of things and while they will like the romance of course, I think most might be satisfied with what they get in the games, so they don't feel that need as strongly to see it fleshed out more

Also - perhaps more FemShep plays tend to romance Liara than MaleSheps? Maybe if you polled MaleShep population, you'd see that they were more likely to romance Tali or something, and a higher ratio of FemSheps romance Liara.

[Theodoro]

What I think it boils down to is that MaleShep has a lot more choices than FemShep does, so, naturally, MaleShep fans will split up among the numerous LIs that they can choose from.

I don't think MaleShep and Liara lack chemistry at all. It's just chance that they have less fan fiction material.

[Aristobulus500]

Oh, don't get me wrong, I definitely don't think MaleShep and Liara lack chemistry. I wouldn't be here if they did.

You might have a point about how MaleSheps have more choices so that fanbase is more split.

Now I'm curious though - my expectation is that if you were to search out the amount of art/writing for the various LI combos, for MaleShep you'd find mostly Tali, Liara trailing somewhere behind. Especially since LotSB/ME3. FemShep probably has Garrus and Liara about tied.

Also, Theo, you should get yourself a custom Liara avatar!

[Theodoro]

Oh, wanted to ask about that, actually. I was reading some FAQ while trying to figure out how to register my game, a big nuisance, by the way, and there was a question that asked if users could use their own custom avatars and the answer was that they could only choose from the pre-defined given avatars.

Guess that's a lie. How do I do that?

[Arcataye]

Theodoro wrote...

How do I do that?

With Dragon Age
Without Dragon Age

Aristobulus500 wrote...

...the way they go about voicing things is all wrong - rather than making sound arguments and criticisms about what else needed to be done with their character, they would rather simply attack and tear down Liara. They choose to attempt to tear down Liara to their level instead of building up their LI to hers.

I wonder does the same people who think that way also wish that all the rich people had less money instead of themselves having more money. Would they still stick to that even if Bioware came up and asked "Do you want more content to your LI or do you want Liara content removed?". I honestly don't understand why don't they just ask for more screentime for their favorite character instead. Why wish for less when you can wish for more?
Like you said, they really don't make any sense.

Neeh wrote...

High hopes wouldn't be advised. I personally have set the bar extremly low, at best I get a plesant suprise and if it turns out to be more garbage ontop of the current garbage, I'll get past it without a withdrawl to the first endings disapointment.

I'm 100% sure that it will be total crap. It will not explain things, it will not make people happy. It will make everyone even more angry. We will remember how the Mass Effect series was killed, then explained how it was killed.
But if it turns out I'm wrong, I'm more than happy to admit I was wrong.

Modifié par Arcataye, 08 mai 2012 - 05:17 .

[hoodie_gypsy]

Theodoro wrote...

What I think it boils down to is that MaleShep has a lot more choices than FemShep does, so, naturally, MaleShep fans will split up among the numerous LIs that they can choose from.

I think you hit the nail on the head right there. Personally, I'm with many of you here in that freckleshep only looks "right" with Liara. I also blame Neeh (inspiring and delightful, as always!) and I agree with Yuqi's color theory.

Mostly I wanted to drop in and say welcome to the new people. The regulars on this thread are the reason I log on the BSN every day - you'll like it here! I've been doing my creepy lurker thing - a.k.a reading every post but not replying to anything because I have nothing to say. I have been loving all the fics and various artworks, though! I've been working on several ME related fan projects and hope to have something new to contribute soon. Everyone keep up the amazing work!

@doozer as if pissed Liara isn't frightening enough, we now have that visual ... wondahful.

[Kaelef]

The Lightspeaker wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

Does anyone have any theories as to why there seem to be more femShep + LI images and stories than boyShep + LI?

My own quick, uninformed theory is that there are more women who are into fanfic in general, or more women who are willing to put in the effort to author/create new work in fanfic. Not sure that this explains why we see so many femShep + female_LI pieces compared to boyShep + female_LI, though...

Hmmmm....

EDIT: I could also just be a Liara thing, seeing as how that's the main character I pay attention to...   

Why are you assuming that females play femshep and and guys play maleshep? I mean really...this kinda stuff again...? *sigh*

There's a reason I made a point of putting "quick, uniformed" in that sentence.

I'm male and have played both the male and female PC.  I have no doubt a large number, if not a majority, of femShep players are male. 

I also know that a lot of the artists who have written/drawn femShep + female_LI are male.

All that said, yes, for the purposes of the discussion, I was assuming that the majority of artists creating femShep + female_LI are female.  I've not done any statistical analysis to back up that assumption, and it's entirely possible that it's incorrect.

Regardless of who's creating it, it's still interesting that there seems to be so much more femShep + Liara material here than maleShep + Liara. 

That's not a complaint - it's an observation.  And even the observation could be a case of selection bias.

Discuss.

The Lightspeaker wrote...

Is there a problem somewhere in all that?

Of course not.  My apologies for hitting on a touchy subject.

Modifié par Kaelef, 08 mai 2012 - 05:26 .

[Tyranniac]

Arcataye wrote...

Neeh wrote...

High hopes wouldn't be advised. I personally have set the bar extremly low, at best I get a plesant suprise and if it turns out to be more garbage ontop of the current garbage, I'll get past it without a withdrawl to the first endings disapointment.

I'm 100% sure that it will be total crap. It will not explain things, it will not make people happy. It will make everyone even more angry. We will remember how the Mass Effect series was killed, then explained how it was killed.
But if it turns out I'm wrong, I'm more than happy to admit I was wrong.

If you were 100% sure you wouldn't have included the last sentance, more like 99%!

Anyway, I have some hope for it. Of course there is a big chance it will turn out awful, but I just can't help but feel it might still turn out alright. I guess I'd rather hope and be disappointed again than stop hoping prematurely. Maybe it's silly but I can't help it.

[The Lightspeaker]

Kaelef wrote...

All that said, yes, for the purposes of the discussion, I was assuming that the majority of artists creating femShep + female_LI are female.

In fairness I do fall into a related trap of assuming "all good emotional fanfic writers are female".

Makes me feel rather inadequate about my own work to be honest.

[rubynorman]

 MShep + Liara


NSFW FShep + Liara
mallyxable.deviantart.com/art/Relaxation-300456244

EDIT: Quote fail nvm
@Arcataye  thanks for the links

Modifié par rubynorman, 08 mai 2012 - 05:32 .

[Kaelef]

Theodoro wrote...

What I think it boils down to is that MaleShep has a lot more choices than FemShep does, so, naturally, MaleShep fans will split up among the numerous LIs that they can choose from.

I don't think MaleShep and Liara lack chemistry at all. It's just chance that they have less fan fiction material.

Good point.  I'd forgotten about the more limited choices femShep has available.

Still -- is it my imagination, or is there relatively little maleShep fiction/artwork.  Based strictly on the number of male players, you'd expect it to be the vast majority, no?

rubynorman wrote...

MShep + Liara

Nice! 

Modifié par Kaelef, 08 mai 2012 - 05:24 .