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[Aristobulus500]

Hmmm, but yet I think still the best stuff will be posted in this thread, not that one in the new subforum...have you checked the rules? Rather strict...

[MidnightRaith]

Thanks for the replies, all.  I keep contemplating on whether to correct authors on it, but considering that this is a fictional alien species, I wasn't 100% sure on what the proper rules are. It's kinda become a pet peeve of mine, seeing "asaris." Reminds me of authors misspelling character names or the "Faros" I sometimes see. 

@PMC, yeah I noticed you do it as well, but I forgave you since you eventually fix it in later chapters....

lillitheris wrote...

How about ‘a wave’ of asari? Or ‘a sky’ of asari? A ‘squad’ seems so mundane, like ‘flock’ or something.

I like "wave" of asari. Suits them rather well.


EDIT:

"Oh, look Liara fans, the haters on the move...."

"Odd...."

Hooray for haters now believing that Liara is a crappy Shadow Broker. Oh, what will they think of next? <_<

Modifié par MidnightRaith, 09 mai 2012 - 05:34 .

[moreeman06]

MidnightRaith wrote...

Thanks for the replies, all.  I keep contemplating on whether to correct authors on it, but considering that this is a fictional alien species, I wasn't 100% sure on what the proper rules are. It's kinda become a pet peeve of mine, seeing "asaris." Reminds me of authors misspelling character names or the "Faros" I sometimes see. 

@PMC, yeah I noticed you do it as well, but I forgave you since you eventually fix it in later chapters....

lillitheris wrote...

How about ‘a wave’ of asari? Or ‘a sky’ of asari? A ‘squad’ seems so mundane, like ‘flock’ or something.

I like "wave" of asari. Suits them rather well.


EDIT:

"Oh, look Liara fans, the haters on the move...."

"Odd...."

Hooray for haters now believing that Liara is a crappy Shadow Broker. Oh, what will they think of next? <_<

wait i thought they thought that before, and i agree with the wave thing.  and now i have to go over and check that i didn't put Asaris in any of my fics.  You've got me paranoid about that now:?.

On the bright side 1 more day till I'm free from classes and i get to end it with a bang, literally.  After that I might have something to post in celebration of my 2-3 month freedom..... ok I'll stop teasing you guys and call it a night now have sweet dreams
 
Mine by MagicalZebra   http://magicalzebra..../Mine-296488442 

[Arcataye]

FRANCESCO84Inn, be careful what you say as that topic is not about "who's the best LI". It could provoke another Liara hate war.
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After the battle.

"Don't worry, Shepard. I've never felt better."

Modifié par Arcataye, 09 mai 2012 - 06:29 .

[Aristobulus500]

Arcataye wrote...
After the battle.

"Don't worry, Shepard. I've never felt better."

Liara seems to have one hell of a fish-face goin' on there. But the detail on the skin and all is amazing.

Just, uh. Yeah.

[Arcataye]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Liara seems to have one hell of a fish-face goin' on there. But the detail on the skin and all is amazing.
Just, uh. Yeah.

The face feels a bit off. But who am I to say, I can't draw anything.
That idea is nice, she'll catch up to Shepard in scarcount. :happy:

Modifié par Arcataye, 09 mai 2012 - 07:18 .

[kyg_20X6]

Ok, @rubynorman, I agree that Liara and Shepard have bonded mentally but isn't the "Asari bonding process" the exchange of DNA through joining their nervous systems (through contact). I think they can sort of "meld", like Liara and Shep do in ME1, to exchange thoughts/memories but I think the "bonding" process is different is actually referring to the exchange for reproduction.

That being said, I could be wrong on the details. It wouldn't surprise me. And, at any rate, my question would become "do you think Liara/Shep mated, did the exchange of DNA, in ME3? And if so, when do you think it happened?"

Discussion continued from here, for those out of the loop:

http://social.biowar...1496/5#11949299

Just realised, this could be my return to the Liara thread (too much exposure to Liara stuff tends to get me a little emotional since ME3, so we'll see how this goes...).

[Aristobulus500]

It happens if you romance her, in the scene before Cronos station, if it ever does.

Assuming I'm reading your question right.

Modifié par Aristobulus500, 09 mai 2012 - 07:27 .

[kyg_20X6]

Also, I posted this thought somewhere else but I thought I'd repost it here, as it's more on-topic here (although it may have been already covered).

I had two canon Shepards coming out of ME1. One male, one female. Both pretty much did things the exact same (although my male was more anti-Cerberus, female more anti-Batarian). Both romanced Liara.

Since ME1 was the first game in the series, I had no HUGE attachment to the characters yet. I liked Tali as a character, so when she became available I switched my male Shep to her. My female Shep stayed loyal to Liara (partly because there were no other female options, partly because Liara was my favourite character in ME1). But playing through ME2, staying loyal to Liara (and probably because this loyalty went back to the start), seeing them in LotSB, this became my favourite Shep. My REAL canon Shep.

Now, after playing through ME3 and doing the Liara romance. I can't imagine Liara with a male Shep. I mean, I can but it just seems... 'wrong'. I compared this to imagining a lesbian friend with a guy. For me, Liara is meant to be with FemShep. I think it's partly because I have this history going back through my female Shepard but also I think the divide is narrower between Liara/FemShep and Liara/MaleShep. I think Liara's tenderness, compasion and empathy fit a lot more with FemShep. I just think a MaleShep is a little more removed from what Liara is and would want. That's sort of why I think Tali is great for MaleShep, her idolisation of him (to me) fits better a MaleShep then a female.

I just wonder if anyone else feels this way (and maybe can articulate their reasons better than me). Also, would just like to say I don't begrudge anyone romancing Liara with a MaleShep. More power to you! Just, trying to explain why I find it a little weird, heh.

[rubynorman]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

Ok, @rubynorman, I agree that Liara and Shepard have bonded mentally but isn't the "Asari bonding process" the exchange of DNA through joining their nervous systems (through contact). I think they can sort of "meld", like Liara and Shep do in ME1, to exchange thoughts/memories but I think the "bonding" process is different is actually referring to the exchange for reproduction.

That being said, I could be wrong on the details. It wouldn't surprise me. And, at any rate, my question would become "do you think Liara/Shep mated, did the exchange of DNA, in ME3? And if so, when do you think it happened?"

Discussion continued from here, for those out of the loop:

http://social.biowar...1496/5#11949299

Just realised, this could be my return to the Liara thread (too much exposure to Liara stuff tends to get me a little emotional since ME3, so we'll see how this goes...).

Welcome back.
I still think the term "bondmate" is like a soul mate / or marriage partner / spouse in the Asari's language.

"You bonded with a ...? " I dont think the "blue rose of Illium" and the poetic krogan have had children yet.
I don't think they did the exchange of DNA in ME3. I hope they did but.. . If they do, it will be in the romance scene.

[Furean]

kyg_20X6 wrote...
*snip*

Amusingly enough, it's the other way around for me. Though I think it might have more to do with the fact that I still haven't been able to play FemShep in ME2 nor in ME3, since FemShep simply doesn't feel like Shepard to me.

[kyg_20X6]

rubynorman wrote...

Welcome back.
I still think the term "bondmate" is like a soul mate / or marriage partner / spouse in the Asari's language.

"You bonded with a ...? " I dont think the "blue rose of Illium" and the poetic krogan have had children yet.
I don't think they did the exchange of DNA in ME3. I hope they did but.. . If they do, it will be in the romance scene.

Interesting, I think you might be right (on most of that^).

I wonder, would the partner know if they'd exchanged DNA? Like, I wonder if Liara could have just decided, perhaps in the spur of the moment, during the romance scene that this was the time, Shepard was who she wanted, and did it. Then maybe she'd decide to hold of telling Shepard (given the knowledge might be a distraction/burden, going into what they were going into).

Just a thought.

[MidnightRaith]

moreeman06 wrote...

wait i thought they thought that before, and i agree with the wave thing.  and now i have to go over and check that i didn't put Asaris in any of my fics.  You've got me paranoid about that now:?.

*pic snip*

*Shrug* Don't know, hard to remember everything they hate about Liara. Though, this time they are suggesting that Traynor replace Liara as SB....

 Well, at least your fics will be free of "asaris" now. Perhaps you could even add in a reference to "waves of asari...."

kyg_20X6 wrote...
Also, I posted this thought somewhere else but I thought I'd repost it here, as it's more on-topic here (although it may have been already covered).

I had two canon Shepards coming out of ME1. One male, one female. Both pretty much did things the exact same (although my male was more anti-Cerberus, female more anti-Batarian). Both romanced Liara.

Since ME1 was the first game in the series, I had no HUGE attachment to the characters yet. I liked Tali as a character, so when she became available I switched my male Shep to her. My female Shep stayed loyal to Liara (partly because there were no other female options, partly because Liara was my favourite character in ME1). But playing through ME2, staying loyal to Liara (and probably because this loyalty went back to the start), seeing them in LotSB, this became my favourite Shep. My REAL canon Shep.

Now, after playing through ME3 and doing the Liara romance. I can't imagine Liara with a male Shep. I mean, I can but it just seems... 'wrong'. I compared this to imagining a lesbian friend with a guy. For me, Liara is meant to be with FemShep. I think it's partly because I have this history going back through my female Shepard but also I think the divide is narrower between Liara/FemShep and Liara/MaleShep. I think Liara's tenderness, compasion and empathy fit a lot more with FemShep. I just think a MaleShep is a little more removed from what Liara is and would want. That's sort of why I think Tali is great for MaleShep, her idolisation of him (to me) fits better a MaleShep then a female.

I just wonder if anyone else feels this way (and maybe can articulate their reasons better than me). Also, would just like to say I don't begrudge anyone romancing Liara with a MaleShep. More power to you! Just, trying to explain why I find it a little weird, heh.

Wish I could really weigh into that argument. Should be interesting to watch, at least. I can't play ManShep, his VA doesn't fit my tastes. I will say, however, that Hale and Hillis do indeed have amazing chemistry together. Many of their lines seem to mesh better in comparison to Meer and Hillis.

I do admit that this may just be the bias talking. I don't by any means hate Meer's VA, I just can't sit through hours of it. He does seem to get better in ME3 as far as my own tastes go, but I can't just go through the series without an import.....

Modifié par MidnightRaith, 09 mai 2012 - 07:50 .

[Furean]

MidnightRaith wrote...

I do admit that this may just be the bias talking. I don't by any means hate Meer's VA, I just can't sit through hours of it. He does seem to get better in ME3 as far as my own tastes go, but I can't just go through the series without an import.....

He definitely improved in ME2 onwards. Before ME2 was released, FemShep was my "canon" Shepard, simply due to the fact that Meer's voiceacting was a bit poor compared to Hale's in the first game.

[rubynorman]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

Also, I posted this thought somewhere else but I thought I'd repost it here, as it's more on-topic here (although it may have been already covered).

I had two canon Shepards coming out of ME1. One male, one female. Both pretty much did things the exact same (although my male was more anti-Cerberus, female more anti-Batarian). Both romanced Liara.

Since ME1 was the first game in the series, I had no HUGE attachment to the characters yet. I liked Tali as a character, so when she became available I switched my male Shep to her. My female Shep stayed loyal to Liara (partly because there were no other female options, partly because Liara was my favourite character in ME1). But playing through ME2, staying loyal to Liara (and probably because this loyalty went back to the start), seeing them in LotSB, this became my favourite Shep. My REAL canon Shep.

Now, after playing through ME3 and doing the Liara romance. I can't imagine Liara with a male Shep. I mean, I can but it just seems... 'wrong'. I compared this to imagining a lesbian friend with a guy. For me, Liara is meant to be with FemShep. I think it's partly because I have this history going back through my female Shepard but also I think the divide is narrower between Liara/FemShep and Liara/MaleShep. I think Liara's tenderness, compasion and empathy fit a lot more with FemShep. I just think a MaleShep is a little more removed from what Liara is and would want. That's sort of why I think Tali is great for MaleShep, her idolisation of him (to me) fits better a MaleShep then a female.

I just wonder if anyone else feels this way (and maybe can articulate their reasons better than me). Also, would just like to say I don't begrudge anyone romancing Liara with a MaleShep. More power to you! Just, trying to explain why I find it a little weird, heh.

I'm ok with Liara being with FShep or MaleShep. As long as that Shep is worthy of Liara. But I prefer FemShep with Liara, the voice acting between Jennifer Hale and Ali Hillis, and my canon Shep is Fshep from ME1 to ME3 so I invest most of my emotions in her. That explains why I prefer FemShep being with Liara. I just don't like Sheploo x Liara, because of his rape face in ME2 with Miranda (youtube video). It has burned into my brain. I made my own BroShep and I'm ok with my BroShep x Liara.

[Arcataye]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

I wonder, would the partner know if they'd exchanged DNA?

"Trust me, you would be able to tell if I was mapping your DNA."
I'm going with that as headcanon, from Ilos Can Wait.

[rubynorman]

kyg_20X6 wrote...


Interesting, I think you might be right (on most of that^).

I wonder, would the partner know if they'd exchanged DNA? Like, I wonder if Liara could have just decided, perhaps in the spur of the moment, during the romance scene that this was the time, Shepard was who she wanted, and did it. Then maybe she'd decide to hold of telling Shepard (given the knowledge might be a distraction/burden, going into what they were going into).

Just a thought.

An asari's melding ability extends to a mental connection as well, which
Liara describes as being the true union between an asari and her
partner. It allows the asari to explore her partner's genetic heritage
and pass desirable traits on to any offspring. During mating an asari
and her partner share memories, thoughts, and feelings.

I think the partner would know

[kyg_20X6]

rubynorman wrote...

An asari's melding ability extends to a mental connection as well, which
Liara describes as being the true union between an asari and her
partner. It allows the asari to explore her partner's genetic heritage
and pass desirable traits on to any offspring. During mating an asari
and her partner share memories, thoughts, and feelings.

I think the partner would know

Interesting. Well, that is very similar to her 'gift' scene. Which is shared, almost exactly, with a non-romanced Shepard.

Modifié par kyg_20X6, 09 mai 2012 - 08:04 .

[rubynorman]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

rubynorman wrote...

An asari's melding ability extends to a mental connection as well, which
Liara describes as being the true union between an asari and her
partner. It allows the asari to explore her partner's genetic heritage
and pass desirable traits on to any offspring. During mating an asari
and her partner share memories, thoughts, and feelings.

I think the partner would know

Interesting. Well, that is very similar to her 'gift' scene. Which is shared, almost exactly, with a non-romanced Shepard.

It is also possible for an asari to meld with another for the sole
purpose of transferring thoughts, without reproduction. This technique
is used by both Liara and Shiala, with varying success; Liara finds the ordeal extremely intense and debilitating.

Every Shepard melded with Liara twice in ME1. It's mind melding, it's not a union.

[kyg_20X6]

rubynorman wrote...

Every Shepard melded with Liara twice in ME1. It's mind melding, it's not a union.

So Shepard wouldn't necessarily know? Because to her/him, it may have just felt like a 'meld'? As there is no difference?

Although, I guess if Liara's doing it in the middle of sex, that might give it away as something more.

But...

Shepard: "What was that?"
Liara: "Oh, just reliving the Prothean beacon."
Shepard: "Boring you, am I?"

...would be funny.

Modifié par kyg_20X6, 09 mai 2012 - 08:16 .

[MidnightRaith]

Melding without reproduction is something I would have liked to learn more about through the series. I agree with the various fanfic authors that suggest that the asari use melding as a bonding technique between not just lovers but family members as well. It would have been interesting....

Off-topic:

I would like to replace my DA stuff. Had it on the 360 that went 'splodey and never got around to actually finish the game. I did try it on Steam, but it sucks on Steam, so I'm gonna give it a go on Origin.... That said, I've heard from plenty of fans that DA2 sucks or something. I like you people, y'all seem like a group that would remain a bit objective on this. Is DA2 worth getting? I want to have the whole story, but if the game's unpleasant, I could just skim the Wiki pages on it, I suppose. Wouldn't be the same, of course, but I'd get the general idea....

[rubynorman]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

rubynorman wrote...

Every Shepard melded with Liara twice in ME1. It's mind melding, it's not a union.

So Shepard wouldn't necessarily know? Because to her/him, it may have just felt like a 'meld'? As there is no difference?

Although, I guess if Liara's doing it in the middle of sex, that might give it away as something more.

But...

Shepard: "What was that?"
Liara: "Oh, just reliving the Prothean beacon."
Shepard: "Boring you, am I?"

...would be funny.

I think a meld = normal mental connection - just to share some memories/ thoughts which you want the other to know, can't map DNA. Union = higher mental connection - two become one, they can read everything like it's in their own mind - can map DNA. It works both ways.

MidnightRaith wrote...
Off-topic:

I would like
to replace my DA stuff. Had it on the 360 that went 'splodey and never
got around to actually finish the game. I did try it on Steam, but it
sucks on Steam, so I'm gonna give it a go on Origin.... That said, I've
heard from plenty of fans that DA2 sucks or something. I like you
people, y'all seem like a group that would remain a bit objective on
this. Is DA2 worth getting? I want to have the whole story, but if
the game's unpleasant, I could just skim the Wiki pages on it, I
suppose. Wouldn't be the same, of course, but I'd get the general
idea....

DA2 is ok with me. It's not good likes DA1, but still ok. It tells a story about Hawke, and the players are the listeners most of the times. At least, I played it for the import save files's sake when DA3 comes out.

Modifié par rubynorman, 09 mai 2012 - 08:32 .

[kyg_20X6]

MidnightRaith wrote...

Off-topic:

I would like to replace my DA stuff. Had it on the 360 that went 'splodey and never got around to actually finish the game. I did try it on Steam, but it sucks on Steam, so I'm gonna give it a go on Origin.... That said, I've heard from plenty of fans that DA2 sucks or something. I like you people, y'all seem like a group that would remain a bit objective on this. Is DA2 worth getting? I want to have the whole story, but if the game's unpleasant, I could just skim the Wiki pages on it, I suppose. Wouldn't be the same, of course, but I'd get the general idea....

My take:

The characters are good and the story isn't bad. The combat also feels better than DAO. That being said, the level design is pretty bad (or at least sparse). You will revist the same places over and over again. You at least visit every place twice (one from one end of the dungeon, next time it will be the other end). Some places even more. And there are some things with the ending they force on you, no matter your choices. But elsewhere in the story your choices have an impact. I romanced Merrill for my male Hawke and Isabella for my female, they were great characters.

So, you'll probably enjoy your first playthrough. You probably won't enjoy a second, and probably won't be interested in the DLC.

Just my opinion.

EDIT: TOP!

Modifié par kyg_20X6, 09 mai 2012 - 12:00 .

[kyg_20X6]

rubynorman wrote...

I think a meld = normal mental connection - just to share some memories/ thoughts which you want to the other to know, can't map DNA. Union = higher mental connection - two become one, they can read everything like it's in ther own mind - can map DNA. It works both ways.

Hmmm... that interpretation would seem to indicate they didn't infact 'bond' in ME3. And I don't think that's something they'd add in the EC. It seems too intimate for reunion scenes. But who knows. Maybe they'll do a long, intimate, private scene with each of the LI in the epilogues. That'd be nice.