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[Akernis]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

I'll just leave this here...

*snip*

Er... um... I should go.

I should stay

Neeh wrote...
Looks like I got to step it up

And we are looking foreward to see it

[lillitheris]

Barquiel wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

I'll be honest.  Traynor's romance is better than an only ME3 romance of Liara which feels very awkwards when they talk on the Citadel to lock in the romance or just be friends.

Hm, I found this whole scene adorable (if Shep starts a new romance with Liara, not for faithful Shepards)

Well, yeah, that’s the problem :happy:

[kyg_20X6]

Akernis wrote...

kyg_20X6 wrote...

I'll just leave this here...

*snip*

Er... um... I should go.

I should stay

Neeh wrote...
Looks like I got to step it up

And we are looking foreward to see it

Seriously, the tummy kissing shot is hot enough as it is! <3

EDIT: Ok, and the neck stuff.

Modifié par kyg_20X6, 09 mai 2012 - 09:23 .

[ladyvader]

Barquiel wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

I'll be honest.  Traynor's romance is better than an only ME3 romance of Liara which feels very awkwards when they talk on the Citadel to lock in the romance or just be friends.

Hm, I found this whole scene adorable (if Shep starts a new romance with Liara, not for faithful Shepards)

It seems awkward to me.  Shepard almost stumbling over his/her words when telling Liara they would be good together.  Then Liara's reaction made it feel worse to me.  "Ah, no, I can give you my answer now."  No thinking about it really.  It feels awkward.  Maybe not for someone that didn't romance Liara at all. 

I've gone that route twice now, and I probably won't do another ME3 only romance with Liara.  I prefer the whole arc from ME1-->LotSB-->ME3.  That romance flows much better.  Beats having to kiss the VS ass for a third of the game to keep that romance going.

[CrazyGreggy]

Mode: Devil's Advocate

Assuming, for the lack of evidence to the contrary, that the only people that know Liara is the SB are those we see directly referring to it and those in earshot of said, then Liara still has a secret to keep. In ME3 the Normandy is an Alliance ship with a designated comms and strategic intel officer, through whom communications and so on go. That is Sam Traynor. I can see Liara carefully sliding certain pieces of intel her way via back channels in order to give the appearance that the logical person to make an intel-based discovery is seen to be the one who finds it.

I can also see people getting suspicious if Shepard discovers too many things by non-Alliance channels and starting to put 2 and 2 together. Said it a few pages back, still think it holds some truth. We just don't know if Liara's cover really is blown yet, and I think the Barla Von mission gives credence to that - Liara deliberately uses a proxy to give Shepard the info. How reliable would her own agents be if they know who the boss is? I think some of the writing is indeed sloppy, especially Liara outing herself to Vega/Ashley on Mars, but Traynor being the designated "oo, look at this" monkey makes a great deal of sense on an Alliance ship.

Modifié par CrazyGreggy, 09 mai 2012 - 09:24 .

[Erenbe]

CrazyGreggy wrote...

Mode: Devil's Advocate

Assuming, for the lack of evidence to the contrary, that the only people that know Liara is the SB are those we see directly referring to it and those in earshot of said, then Liara still has a secret to keep. In ME3 the Normandy is an Alliance ship with a designated comms and strategic intel officer, through whom communications and so on go. That is Sam Traynor. I can see Liara carefully sliding certain pieces of intel her way via back channels in order to give the appearance that the logical person to make an intel-based discovery is seen to be the one who finds it.

I can also see people getting suspicious if Shepard discovers too many things by non-Alliance channels and starting to put 2 and 2 together. Said it a few pages back, still think it holds some truth. We just don't know if Liara's cover really is blown yet, and I think the Barla Von mission gives credence to that - Liara deliberately uses a proxy to give Shepard the info. How reliable would her own agents be if they know who the boss is? I think some of the writing is indeed sloppy, especially Liara outing herself to Vega/Ashley on Mars, but Traynor being the designated "oo, look at this" monkey makes a great deal of sense on an Alliance ship.

Well, that's exactly how I play it :happy: I think this makes the most sense. At least to me! Bioware could still have improved the perception of Liara as the SB but as they didn't...well....headcanon FTW!

[TheMarshal]

lillitheris wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

I'll be honest.  Traynor's romance is better than an only ME3 romance of Liara which feels very awkwards when they talk on the Citadel to lock in the romance or just be friends.

Hm, I found this whole scene adorable (if Shep starts a new romance with Liara, not for faithful Shepards)

Well, yeah, that’s the problem :happy:

Talk about a *headdesk* decision.  Yes, that's supposed to be the point where you are given one final chance to end/confirm you desire to romance Liara.  However, given that by that point we'd already affirmed the relationship on Mars, more than likely said something flirty and charming to her when she's worried about being alive to witness the fall of civilization, AND reaffirmed the romance in LotSB, the least they could have done would be to acknowledge all of that and not have her call us "just friends".

[Akernis]

CrazyGreggy wrote...

Mode: Devil's Advocate

Assuming, for the lack of evidence to the contrary, that the only people that know Liara is the SB are those we see directly referring to it and those in earshot of said, then Liara still has a secret to keep. In ME3 the Normandy is an Alliance ship with a designated comms and strategic intel officer, through whom communications and so on go. That is Sam Traynor. I can see Liara carefully sliding certain pieces of intel her way via back channels in order to give the appearance that the logical person to make an intel-based discovery is seen to be the one who finds it.

I can also see people getting suspicious if Shepard discovers too many things by non-Alliance channels and starting to put 2 and 2 together. Said it a few pages back, still think it holds some truth. We just don't know if Liara's cover really is blown yet, and I think the Barla Von mission gives credence to that - Liara deliberately uses a proxy to give Shepard the info. How reliable would her own agents be if they know who the boss is? I think some of the writing is indeed sloppy, especially Liara outing herself to Vega/Ashley on Mars, but Traynor being the designated "oo, look at this" monkey makes a great deal of sense on an Alliance ship.

Hmm I didn't even think about it that way, it makes sense, it is still not done optimally but makes sense.

[Akernis]

TheMarshal wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

I'll be honest.  Traynor's romance is better than an only ME3 romance of Liara which feels very awkwards when they talk on the Citadel to lock in the romance or just be friends.

Hm, I found this whole scene adorable (if Shep starts a new romance with Liara, not for faithful Shepards)

Well, yeah, that’s the problem :happy:

Talk about a *headdesk* decision.  Yes, that's supposed to be the point where you are given one final chance to end/confirm you desire to romance Liara.  However, given that by that point we'd already affirmed the relationship on Mars, more than likely said something flirty and charming to her when she's worried about being alive to witness the fall of civilization, AND reaffirmed the romance in LotSB, the least they could have done would be to acknowledge all of that and not have her call us "just friends".

Agreed if one reaffimed the relationship at the beginning then that scene should simply have her say "just the two of us" or similar instead. Then the line could be changed to Shepard saying that he/she were looking forward to spening the rest of their lives together after the war is over and Liara agreeing.

Modifié par Akernis, 09 mai 2012 - 09:41 .

[Aristobulus500]

CrazyGreggy wrote...

Mode: Devil's Advocate

Assuming, for the lack of evidence to the contrary, that the only people that know Liara is the SB are those we see directly referring to it and those in earshot of said, then Liara still has a secret to keep. In ME3 the Normandy is an Alliance ship with a designated comms and strategic intel officer, through whom communications and so on go. That is Sam Traynor. I can see Liara carefully sliding certain pieces of intel her way via back channels in order to give the appearance that the logical person to make an intel-based discovery is seen to be the one who finds it.

I can also see people getting suspicious if Shepard discovers too many things by non-Alliance channels and starting to put 2 and 2 together. Said it a few pages back, still think it holds some truth. We just don't know if Liara's cover really is blown yet, and I think the Barla Von mission gives credence to that - Liara deliberately uses a proxy to give Shepard the info. How reliable would her own agents be if they know who the boss is? I think some of the writing is indeed sloppy, especially Liara outing herself to Vega/Ashley on Mars, but Traynor being the designated "oo, look at this" monkey makes a great deal of sense on an Alliance ship.

This makes a lot of sense - the game itself doesn't really hint at it, but it doesn't do anything to contradict it, either. And we even see in the games she will use an agent - Barla Von - to tell Shepard something rather than just telling him herself, sometimes. And why else would she do that other than to keep from blowing her cover?

It WOULD be awfully suspicious if Shepard just suddenly appeared to never need to use agents to contact the Shadow Broker or do any work for the SB. People really could put 2+2 together there.

TheMarshal wrote...
Talk about a *headdesk* decision.  Yes, that's supposed to be the point where you are given one final chance to end/confirm you desire to romance Liara.  However, given that by that point we'd already affirmed the relationship on Mars, more than likely said something flirty and charming to her when she's worried about being alive to witness the fall of civilization, AND reaffirmed the romance in LotSB, the least they could have done would be to acknowledge all of that and not have her call us "just friends".

I firmly and adamantly believe that telling Liara you still wanted to be with her, in that first scene on the Normandy, should've given you Paramour right then and there and locked you into a romance with Liara. Especially since you don't even get that scene, I believe, unless you're an imported Liaramancer Shep.

This would free them up to not make the Citadel scene so awkward, and make it an actual date/romance scene, too.

[kyg_20X6]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

CrazyGreggy wrote...

Mode: Devil's Advocate

Assuming, for the lack of evidence to the contrary, that the only people that know Liara is the SB are those we see directly referring to it and those in earshot of said, then Liara still has a secret to keep. In ME3 the Normandy is an Alliance ship with a designated comms and strategic intel officer, through whom communications and so on go. That is Sam Traynor. I can see Liara carefully sliding certain pieces of intel her way via back channels in order to give the appearance that the logical person to make an intel-based discovery is seen to be the one who finds it.

I can also see people getting suspicious if Shepard discovers too many things by non-Alliance channels and starting to put 2 and 2 together. Said it a few pages back, still think it holds some truth. We just don't know if Liara's cover really is blown yet, and I think the Barla Von mission gives credence to that - Liara deliberately uses a proxy to give Shepard the info. How reliable would her own agents be if they know who the boss is? I think some of the writing is indeed sloppy, especially Liara outing herself to Vega/Ashley on Mars, but Traynor being the designated "oo, look at this" monkey makes a great deal of sense on an Alliance ship.

This makes a lot of sense - the game itself doesn't really hint at it, but it doesn't do anything to contradict it, either. And we even see in the games she will use an agent - Barla Von - to tell Shepard something rather than just telling him herself, sometimes. And why else would she do that other than to keep from blowing her cover?

It WOULD be awfully suspicious if Shepard just suddenly appeared to never need to use agents to contact the Shadow Broker or do any work for the SB. People really could put 2+2 together there.

TheMarshal wrote...
Talk about a *headdesk* decision.  Yes, that's supposed to be the point where you are given one final chance to end/confirm you desire to romance Liara.  However, given that by that point we'd already affirmed the relationship on Mars, more than likely said something flirty and charming to her when she's worried about being alive to witness the fall of civilization, AND reaffirmed the romance in LotSB, the least they could have done would be to acknowledge all of that and not have her call us "just friends".

I firmly and adamantly believe that telling Liara you still wanted to be with her, in that first scene on the Normandy, should've given you Paramour right then and there and locked you into a romance with Liara. Especially since you don't even get that scene, I believe, unless you're an imported Liaramancer Shep.

This would free them up to not make the Citadel scene so awkward, and make it an actual date/romance scene, too.

ALL of this! +1000

[TheMarshal]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...
Talk about a *headdesk* decision.  Yes, that's supposed to be the point where you are given one final chance to end/confirm you desire to romance Liara.  However, given that by that point we'd already affirmed the relationship on Mars, more than likely said something flirty and charming to her when she's worried about being alive to witness the fall of civilization, AND reaffirmed the romance in LotSB, the least they could have done would be to acknowledge all of that and not have her call us "just friends".

I firmly and adamantly believe that telling Liara you still wanted to be with her, in that first scene on the Normandy, should've given you Paramour right then and there and locked you into a romance with Liara. Especially since you don't even get that scene, I believe, unless you're an imported Liaramancer Shep.

This would free them up to not make the Citadel scene so awkward, and make it an actual date/romance scene, too.

Agreed, that would have been phenomenal in my eyes.  However I still understand their (weak-ass) argument about wanting to give players the opportunity to back out of the romance at that point, since they may want to start another romance with one of the newly available LIs.  But having that be an actual date that acknowledges someone who has been devoted to Liara for all three games would have been just perfect.

[Sarcastic Tasha]

Sunnie22 wrote...

It's easy to understand why they had her flirting with EDI and Allers, since her romance happened so briskly, they needed a way to clue the player into her being available as a f/f LI. Works the same way in RL, I would have never known my gf was gay had I not heard her flirting with another girl we both know. This does happen this way and I don't think there's anything wrong with the way they did it in ME3.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with Traynor flirting with EDI and Allers, it just made me think of her in a certain way. Not in a bad way. I like Traynor, I was a little worried she was just going to be another ****ty secretary but there was more to her than that. Traynor even points out she isn't Kelly: "flatter me all you like, I'm still not feeding your fish."

[Akernis]

TheMarshal wrote...
Agreed, that would have been phenomenal in my eyes ... But having that be an actual date that acknowledges someone who has been devoted to Liara for all three games would have been just perfect.

I completly agree, that would truly be great

[Rolling Flame]

TheMarshal wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...
Talk about a *headdesk* decision.  Yes, that's supposed to be the point where you are given one final chance to end/confirm you desire to romance Liara.  However, given that by that point we'd already affirmed the relationship on Mars, more than likely said something flirty and charming to her when she's worried about being alive to witness the fall of civilization, AND reaffirmed the romance in LotSB, the least they could have done would be to acknowledge all of that and not have her call us "just friends".

I firmly and adamantly believe that telling Liara you still wanted to be with her, in that first scene on the Normandy, should've given you Paramour right then and there and locked you into a romance with Liara. Especially since you don't even get that scene, I believe, unless you're an imported Liaramancer Shep.

This would free them up to not make the Citadel scene so awkward, and make it an actual date/romance scene, too.

Agreed, that would have been phenomenal in my eyes.  However I still understand their (weak-ass) argument about wanting to give players the opportunity to back out of the romance at that point, since they may want to start another romance with one of the newly available LIs.  But having that be an actual date that acknowledges someone who has been devoted to Liara for all three games would have been just perfect.

Yeah, that would've been nice. I did feel that scene was a little short, especially if you were in a romance.

I will add that the "just friends" line doesn't bother me too much, given Liara's teasing when Shepard affirms the relationship.

[Aristobulus500]

TheMarshal wrote...

Agreed, that would have been phenomenal in my eyes.  However I still understand their (weak-ass) argument about wanting to give players the opportunity to back out of the romance at that point, since they may want to start another romance with one of the newly available LIs.  But having that be an actual date that acknowledges someone who has been devoted to Liara for all three games would have been just perfect.

Weak ass argument doesn't even begin to describe it. How many people would honestly carry a faithful Liaramancer through 2 games and LotSB, tell Liara they still want to be with her on the Normandy in ME3, and then get upset if they can't back out halfway through the third game?

They've had dozens of chances to back out before then, over the series! I just don't buy that it's any significant number that needs to be considered.

[kyg_20X6]

While I do like the Traynor character, I would have preferred they brought Kelly back as your secretary and made her a full on love interest (granted, she wouldn't be exclusively same-sex). If Kelly's dead, give the 'you've got mail' dialogue to EDI. Then give all Traynor's info gathering to Liara. Thus strengthening two existing characters, rather then weakening them for a new one. Which is pretty much just Kelly 2.0.

Modifié par kyg_20X6, 09 mai 2012 - 09:54 .

[ladyvader]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

I firmly and adamantly believe that telling Liara you still wanted to be with her, in that first scene on the Normandy, should've given you Paramour right then and there and locked you into a romance with Liara. Especially since you don't even get that scene, I believe, unless you're an imported Liaramancer Shep.

This would free them up to not make the Citadel scene so awkward, and make it an actual date/romance scene, too.

All the LI from either ME1 or ME2 ask Shepard twice if they still want to be together.  I know Jack does, Tali does, and Ash does.  Same with Liara.  Hell, I told Jack I still wanted to be with her when Ash was in the hospital.  Got punched in the face then a kiss.  Then another kiss on the shuttle.  I broke it off with Jack when she was on the Citadel.  

It's the 2nd talk about their relationship that locks it. 

The game's mechanics set it up for players to move on to a different LI if that player choice to do so.  I'll use my Ash/Jack Shepard as the example.  At first, I was going to stay with Jack.  Then I changed my mind after playing for a while and decided to stay with Ash.  I had already told Jack I wanted her.  I had told Ash I wanted her too and was sorry for being with Jack in the first place.  Now if they had it set up where the 1st talk with the LI and them asking Shepard if Shep still wants to continue, many people would be stuck with someone they might not want to actually be with.

[ladyvader]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

Agreed, that would have been phenomenal in my eyes.  However I still understand their (weak-ass) argument about wanting to give players the opportunity to back out of the romance at that point, since they may want to start another romance with one of the newly available LIs.  But having that be an actual date that acknowledges someone who has been devoted to Liara for all three games would have been just perfect.

Weak ass argument doesn't even begin to describe it. How many people would honestly carry a faithful Liaramancer through 2 games and LotSB, tell Liara they still want to be with her on the Normandy in ME3, and then get upset if they can't back out halfway through the third game?

They've had dozens of chances to back out before then, over the series! I just don't buy that it's any significant number that needs to be considered.

I have a Shepard with Ash and was faithful through ME2, but I doubt very much I will stay with her in ME3.  That is why they gave the players an "out" if they choice to do so.  Some may feel the stakes are too high for their Shepard to be involved with anyone at all and wants to end it.  

This is a game about choices and you're wanting to remove a choice because you don't feel it's needed.  It's needed. 

[Akernis]

ladyvader wrote...
This is a game about choices and you're wanting to remove a choice because you don't feel it's needed.  It's needed. 

Even in that case they could have made it less jarring. for examble they could have had the conversation running like lovers and then Shepard can either simply ignore the break-up conversation option and continue as lovers or mention that he/she wants back out without having to have Liara giving you an excuse to say it. 

[Tyranniac]

ladyvader wrote...
I have a Shepard with Ash and was faithful through ME2, but I doubt very much I will stay with her in ME3.  That is why they gave the players an "out" if they choice to do so.  Some may feel the stakes are too high for their Shepard to be involved with anyone at all and wants to end it.  

This is a game about choices and you're wanting to remove a choice because you don't feel it's needed.  It's needed. 

I can understand what you're saying, but while it is valid for Ashley or Kaidan, I don't think it is for Liara due to LotSB.

[Furean]

So, I went and made something silly.

Here's a video of Liara saying to the player "I love you, Shepard."



Special thanks to Nhani for being awesome help and giving me tips and suggestions on how to improve upon it.

[IliyaMoroumetz]

Neeh;

that was your best animation, ever!

Edit:
Oh, snap.  Uh...

here's a new Little Liara Comic with Hilarious and Adorable results.

Modifié par IliyaMoroumetz, 09 mai 2012 - 10:21 .

[Tyranniac]

IliyaMoroumetz wrote...

Neeh;

that was your best animation, ever!

Uhm... it's been a while since Neeh posted an animation. Last one was the chair-jumping one right? I loved that one.