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[Furean]

Hope you don't mind me reposting the link, didn't notice it was the last post.

So, for a video render made by me of Liara saying "I love you, Shepard." go here;

Modifié par Furean, 09 mai 2012 - 10:24 .

[kyg_20X6]

Tyranniac wrote...

IliyaMoroumetz wrote...

Neeh;

that was your best animation, ever!

Uhm... it's been a while since Neeh posted an animation. Last one was the chair-jumping one right? I loved that one.

The 'romance' animation was created by *Mallyxable.

http://mallyxable.de...mance-300967493

Modifié par kyg_20X6, 09 mai 2012 - 10:31 .

[IliyaMoroumetz]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

The 'romance' animation was created by *Mallyxable.

http://mallyxable.de...mance-300967493

I stand corrected, then.

[kyg_20X6]

IliyaMoroumetz wrote...

I stand corrected, then.

Sorry, I should have stated that when I posted it.

I was just, er, a little 'overwhelmed'...

[Akernis]

Furean wrote...

Hope you don't mind me reposting the link, didn't notice it was the last post.

So, for a video render made by me of Liara saying "I love you, Shepard." go here;

Nice one.

[Neeh]

IliyaMoroumetz wrote...

Neeh;

that was your best animation, ever!

Edit:
Oh, snap.  Uh...

here's a new Little Liara Comic with Hilarious and Adorable results.

Yeah, 'tis not mine. I've yet to dwell into sexytimes.
Though taking your reaction into consideration maybe I should...

Also, sweet lipsync.

[kyg_20X6]

Neeh wrote...

I've yet to dwell into sexytimes.

Though taking your reaction into consideration maybe I should...

Resounding YES! 

Although all your animations are awesome!

[MidnightRaith]

Neeh wrote...

Yeah, 'tis not mine. I've yet to dwell into sexytimes.
Though taking your reaction into consideration maybe I should...

Also, sweet lipsync.

Poll: Who wants Neeh to make us some moar Liara/Shep stuff?

*Screams of excitment.*

Huh. I guess we want more. 

Off-topic:

Blah, my DLC won't authorize for DA. Apparently I broke it when I registered my DLC code for the Steam version and now it won't take the Origin one.... Well, at least I have a nice EA rep looking into it for me....

EDIT: Edited for ninja. 

Modifié par MidnightRaith, 09 mai 2012 - 11:06 .

[ladyvader]

Tyranniac wrote...

ladyvader wrote...
I have a Shepard with Ash and was faithful through ME2, but I doubt very much I will stay with her in ME3.  That is why they gave the players an "out" if they choice to do so.  Some may feel the stakes are too high for their Shepard to be involved with anyone at all and wants to end it.  

This is a game about choices and you're wanting to remove a choice because you don't feel it's needed.  It's needed. 

I can understand what you're saying, but while it is valid for Ashley or Kaidan, I don't think it is for Liara due to LotSB.

Mars plays the same if you did the DLC or not.  As long as you romanced Liara in the first game.  Not everyone did the DLC.  The devs have to take that into account.  Which they did.

The only difference in Liara's romance is actually three different dialogues.  The glitched one on the Normandy.  Liara saying "I love you" first during the cabin scene before going after the Cerberus base and the blue children line when on Earth.  Rest of it plays the same.

[Aristobulus500]

ladyvader wrote...
Mars plays the same if you did the DLC or not.  As long as you romanced Liara in the first game.  Not everyone did the DLC.  The devs have to take that into account.  Which they did.

The only difference in Liara's romance is actually three different dialogues.  The glitched one on the Normandy.  Liara saying "I love you" first during the cabin scene before going after the Cerberus base and the blue children line when on Earth.  Rest of it plays the same.

It might not be much, but Liara being the first to say she loves you during the cabin scene before Cronos station is really powerful, I think. Especially compared to how it plays out otherwise.

[Wulfram]

Allowing outs are fine, but they shouldn't be allowed to detract from the experience for people who don't need them. Particularly when there's already an out available earlier in the game.

[ladyvader]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

ladyvader wrote...
Mars plays the same if you did the DLC or not.  As long as you romanced Liara in the first game.  Not everyone did the DLC.  The devs have to take that into account.  Which they did.

The only difference in Liara's romance is actually three different dialogues.  The glitched one on the Normandy.  Liara saying "I love you" first during the cabin scene before going after the Cerberus base and the blue children line when on Earth.  Rest of it plays the same.

It might not be much, but Liara being the first to say she loves you during the cabin scene before Cronos station is really powerful, I think. Especially compared to how it plays out otherwise.

I agree completely.  It feel much more complete than having Shepard saying it first.  It was one of the first things I noticed when I did my run with all the DLC included.  1st run has no DLC from ME2 and only Bring Down The Sky from ME1.

[ladyvader]

Wulfram wrote...

Allowing outs are fine, but they shouldn't be allowed to detract from the experience for people who don't need them. Particularly when there's already an out available earlier in the game.

There are two outs for every LI that was from ME1 or 2.  You turn down the ME3 LI once and it's over.  Or if your locked into one before hand.  Kelly is an example of that.  I know I locked into Liara before talking to her and I didn't get the option to be with her or to turn her down.

It only detracts from your experience if you let it.  I gave a perfect example on why they have two different talks to end it  and I have used it.  Not with Liara, but with other LI.  I have more than 1 Shepard and Liara isn't always the LI for my Shepard(s).

[lillitheris]

TheMarshal wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...
Talk about a *headdesk* decision.  Yes, that's supposed to be the point where you are given one final chance to end/confirm you desire to romance Liara.  However, given that by that point we'd already affirmed the relationship on Mars, more than likely said something flirty and charming to her when she's worried about being alive to witness the fall of civilization, AND reaffirmed the romance in LotSB, the least they could have done would be to acknowledge all of that and not have her call us "just friends".

I firmly and adamantly believe that telling Liara you still wanted to be with her, in that first scene on the Normandy, should've given you Paramour right then and there and locked you into a romance with Liara. Especially since you don't even get that scene, I believe, unless you're an imported Liaramancer Shep.

This would free them up to not make the Citadel scene so awkward, and make it an actual date/romance scene, too.

Agreed, that would have been phenomenal in my eyes.  However I still understand their (weak-ass) argument about wanting to give players the opportunity to back out of the romance at that point, since they may want to start another romance with one of the newly available LIs.  But having that be an actual date that acknowledges someone who has been devoted to Liara for all three games would have been just perfect.

The simplest way would have just been to add a “I love you too!” and a “…We need to talk” dialogue instead of insulting people by the lazy application of the friend zone.

[MidnightRaith]

Wulfram wrote...

Allowing outs are fine, but they shouldn't be allowed to detract from the experience for people who don't need them. Particularly when there's already an out available earlier in the game.

Perhaps if they made it less jarring, then we wouldn't have an issue. As it stands, you clearly tell Liara that you want to continue the relationship in the first conversation, and then she's doubting you in the second? Almost as if Liara had some memory loss or something. It's not exactly great dialogue on the writer's part. Perhaps if the game recognized that you were also speaking with other LI interests and Liara could ask you about them and you could end it. Or, if you want to be solo, we could have started talking about the war and how you wanted to end it because the stakes were too high or something. There were tons of ways to do this, IMO and they picked just about the worst one. Blunt and very unsubtle. I guess they were concerned with players not recognizing the out when it came or something....

Off-topic:

Huzzah! The nice EA rep fixed it for me. Happy ending. 

[ladyvader]

lillitheris wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...
Talk about a *headdesk* decision.  Yes, that's supposed to be the point where you are given one final chance to end/confirm you desire to romance Liara.  However, given that by that point we'd already affirmed the relationship on Mars, more than likely said something flirty and charming to her when she's worried about being alive to witness the fall of civilization, AND reaffirmed the romance in LotSB, the least they could have done would be to acknowledge all of that and not have her call us "just friends".

I firmly and adamantly believe that telling Liara you still wanted to be with her, in that first scene on the Normandy, should've given you Paramour right then and there and locked you into a romance with Liara. Especially since you don't even get that scene, I believe, unless you're an imported Liaramancer Shep.

This would free them up to not make the Citadel scene so awkward, and make it an actual date/romance scene, too.

Agreed, that would have been phenomenal in my eyes.  However I still understand their (weak-ass) argument about wanting to give players the opportunity to back out of the romance at that point, since they may want to start another romance with one of the newly available LIs.  But having that be an actual date that acknowledges someone who has been devoted to Liara for all three games would have been just perfect.

The simplest way would have just been to add a “I love you too!” and a “…We need to talk” dialogue instead of insulting people by the lazy application of the friend zone.

You just insulted the devs and writers of the game by calling them lazy when they were anything but being lazy.  They took into account that some might want to end it with Liara after the beginning of the game.  The mechanics of the game is the SAME for every LI that is part of the import.  Those of us that romanced Liara got MORE out of that romance than those that stayed faithful for either Ash or Kaidan.

Why is that so damn hard for people to understand?  It would have been easier to not have Liara as a ME3 only romance.  I think that might have solved some problems, but then I would have found that annoying because I wanted my single femShep with Liara after I couldn't romance her on ME1 because I picked her up after Virmire.

[Wulfram]

ladyvader wrote...

There are two outs for every LI that was from ME1 or 2.  You turn down the ME3 LI once and it's over.  Or if your locked into one before hand.  Kelly is an example of that.  I know I locked into Liara before talking to her and I didn't get the option to be with her or to turn her down.

It only detracts from your experience if you let it.  I gave a perfect example on why they have two different talks to end it  and I have used it.  Not with Liara, but with other LI.  I have more than 1 Shepard and Liara isn't always the LI for my Shepard(s).

Bad writing detracts from the experience.  It's not a question of letting it.

Having Liara ignore all your previous interaction to turn yet another conversation into a "do you want to be more than friends" is bad writing.

edit: If Shepard wants out, let them be the ones who say so.

Modifié par Wulfram, 09 mai 2012 - 11:35 .

[ladyvader]

Wulfram wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

There are two outs for every LI that was from ME1 or 2.  You turn down the ME3 LI once and it's over.  Or if your locked into one before hand.  Kelly is an example of that.  I know I locked into Liara before talking to her and I didn't get the option to be with her or to turn her down.

It only detracts from your experience if you let it.  I gave a perfect example on why they have two different talks to end it  and I have used it.  Not with Liara, but with other LI.  I have more than 1 Shepard and Liara isn't always the LI for my Shepard(s).

Bad writing detracts from the experience.  It's not a question of letting it.

Having Liara ignore all your previous interaction to turn yet another conversation into a "do you want to be more than friends" is bad writing.

Then you don't understand the process needed to create the game then.  They can't do one thing for one LI and not do that for the others.  You are asking for too much for the dev team to do.  We already have bugged dialogue and not just with Liara.  You don't get Ken or Gabby's talk with each other if you have Kaidan.  And only get it if Ash is on the Normandy.

In case you people DIDN'T notice.  When you import a Shepard with Liara as the LI, and did do the DLC, it says Shepard did NOT romance anyone in ME2. 

I have said this more than once today and this is the last time I will say.  EVERY LI THAT IS PART OF THE IMPORT ASKS TWICE ABOUT THE RELASTIONSHIP.  ALL OF THEM.  Not just Liara.

Liara didn't ask a second time about the relastionship in ME3.  Just once.  She said spending more time like this as friends.  Shepard says Friends isn't going to cut it anymore.  

[Wulfram]

Yes, they can do things differently for different LIs.

Anyway, the other LIs may also require two confirmations. But they don't all do it such a hamhandedly stupid way.

[MidnightRaith]

ladyvader wrote...

In case you people DIDN'T notice.  When you import a Shepard with Liara as the LI, and did do the DLC, it says Shepard did NOT romance anyone in ME2. 

I have said this more than once today and this is the last time I will say.  EVERY LI THAT IS PART OF THE IMPORT ASKS TWICE ABOUT THE RELASTIONSHIP.  ALL OF THEM.  Not just Liara.

Liara didn't ask a second time about the relastionship in ME3.  Just once.  She said spending more time like this as friends.  Shepard says Friends isn't going to cut it anymore.  

We get what you're saying, and in case you haven't noticed, some of us are agreeing with you. No need to get upset. The thing is, however, had that bug you mentioned been absent, then Liara asking you whether or not you want to say friends is completely and utterly redundant. Liara was, in fact, supposed to ask you about continuing the relationship. I don't know about you, but "Shepard it's been over half a year...." sounds like her asking about them. Shepard flat out already told her that they wanted to pick up where they left off. Bad dialogue choice for her part. You're talking about dialogue. It could have easily been written to reflect the conversation we already had with her.

Honestly, why would the other LIs matter in this regard? Yes, we should all have an out, I guess, but the dialogue should be unique to each one. Otherwise, taking a romance would seem pointless. Each romance's "out" should be written well, not a blunt, unsubtle game design masked by conversation....

[kyg_20X6]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

It might not be much, but Liara being the first to say she loves you during the cabin scene before Cronos station is really powerful, I think. Especially compared to how it plays out otherwise.

Yes! Noticed it as well. I did my Tali playthrough after and it was very disappointing that Shepard responds to her 'I love you' with 'Keelah Se'lai'.

[Akernis]

Aristobulus500 wrote...
It might not be much, but Liara being the first to say she loves you during the cabin scene before Cronos station is really powerful, I think. Especially compared to how it plays out otherwise.

It really is, it made every difficulty in their relationship doing ME2 more than worth it

Modifié par Akernis, 10 mai 2012 - 12:13 .

[kyg_20X6]

Observation: I refuse to take Liara on the geth dreadnought mission on the playthrough where I romanced Tali (Liara in ME1), because I don't want to 'rub it in'.

It's fully likely Liara takes it very well (haven't youtube'd it) but it's testament to how much the characters mean to us, that we're worried about possibly hurting their feelings.

P.S. I was hoping the Shep/Tali flirting would replaced with that of another LI, quite disappointed when I discovered it wasn't the case. The others don't really get a sequence like that.